Sexual Allegations Thread.

[Andrew NDB]

http://media.tmz.com/2014/04/17/0417-bryan-singer-face-blur-priest-instagram-6.jpg

http://cdn3.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/bryan-singer-to-direct-foxs-x-men-pilot.jpg

Read all about it here:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/producer-bryan-singer-accused-sexual-misconduct-015929533.html

http://forward.com/schmooze/386764/x-men-director-bryan-singer-faces-multiple-accusations-of-sexual-harassment/

Hot off the press.

[CyberCubed]

Lock him up!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was shocked--shocked, I say!--to see that Andrew posted this. :tlol:

What's with all the pervs being outed at once? Does this happen in batches or something? Like, the courage of one person coming out against their accusers inspires other people to finally stand up for themselves? It makes sense to me...

[plastroncafe]

There's safety in numbers.

[Autbot_Benz]

I was shocked--shocked, I say!--to see that Andrew posted this. :tlol:


https://i.imgur.com/eJpUosV.png

[sdp]

It's actually the left and right working together for a common goal ironically enough :lol:

The #metoo campaign didn't start it but that's where it really gained steam and people speaking out

but also from places like 4chan who want to expose hollywood and their hiphopcracy and fracture the left within


What's with all the pervs being outed at once? Does this happen in batches or something? Like, the courage of one person coming out against their accusers inspires other people to finally stand up for themselves? It makes sense to me...

[Andrew NDB]

I was shocked--shocked, I say!--to see that Andrew posted this. :tlol:

I admit, I can't remember the last time starting a thread felt quite so satisfying.

Now if only people can find some old dirt on Geoff Johns...

[plastroncafe]

4-Chan had to learn how to degrade people from somewhere.
And now it looks like the student has become the master.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's an actual picture snapped on the Twentieth Century Fox lot today of them reflecting on their decision to not let Bryan Singer direct X-Men: Dark Phoenix...

https://cdn-assets.insomniac.com/daybreaker_lead.jpg

[dl316bh]

I'm sure they're thrilled they got out before this blew up, but Fox deserves some side-eye for using him this long, because allegations of this sort aren't exactly new when it comes to Bryan Singer. In fact, they probably would have kept him on had Apocalypse not been critically lambasted and dropped two hundred million in box office compared to the prior film.

Now if only people can find some old dirt on Geoff Johns...
Geez, dude.

but also from places like 4chan who want to expose hollywood and their hiphopcracy and fracture the left within
If that's their goal, probably not gonna get what they want out of it.

Hiphopcracy sounds like a killer album title.

[Andrew NDB]

In fact, they probably would have kept him on had Apocalypse not been critically lambasted and dropped two hundred million in box office compared to the prior film.

It's true. Singer was kind of done with "big films" even before this. He'd proven unable to make money with anything except X-Men movies, then Apocalypse proved he can't even do that anymore.

[dl316bh]

It's true. Singer was kind of done with "big films" even before this. He'd proven unable to make money with anything except X-Men movies, then Apocalypse proved he can't even do that anymore.
His Hollywood star really did sink as fast as it rose. I remember thinking "he's still around?" when he was announced to direct Days of Future Past. Guess they lose faith in you when you f*** up a Superman film that badly. Then there were the allegations, but Fox didn't seem to care about that.

[plastroncafe]

And yet we still have the Snyderverse...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Guess they lose faith in you when you f*** up a Superman film that badly.

Singer was still a hot-shot at least until DoFP came around. The studio gave him a lot of leeway on that one. Then he bungled Apocalypse and that confidence vanished.

[dl316bh]

I don't know about a hot-shot. He practically vanished for years after Superman Returns - I just skimmed his Wiki out of curiosity and dude hasn't been doing much but producing since the year after that film - until DoFP brought him back into the light. The leeway was likely because the guy made them a lot of money in the past and their X-Men output since him had failed miserably, rather than him having any clout. But then Apocalypse happened.

And yet we still have the Snyderverse...
Through Justice League, sure, but even that's questionable. Sounds like they went through rigorous re-shoots, so much so I wonder if it's going to feel like a Snyder film at all. It's going to be a goddamn mess either way, but the way WB seems to be panicking and how they seem like they might be pulling back on the shared universe stuff for now, it sounds like it might be dead regardless.

[Andrew NDB]

Singer was still a hot-shot at least until DoFP came around.

No he wasn't. He'd just made "Jack the Giant Slayer" and that was a big bomb.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I've heard accounts about his time on DoFP that showed relatively little studio meddling. "Jack the Giant Slayer" was a weird case where Warner Bros. midway through production wanted the entire film's tone changed, so Fox may have been sympathetic to him on account of that... it took a year longer to make that movie than it should have. Either way at least on X-Men the studio was confident in him, since everyone loves X2 for some reason.

[dl316bh]

Fox would sooner high-five WB over that. Their history of studio meddling is f***ing legendary.

[TigerClaw]

Let's not forget, he made Superman Returns for WB, and look how that one turned out.

[CyberCubed]

Weird thing is why is it always gay men who are raping little boys? Between Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer, it's bizarre.

[plastroncafe]

It's not gay men.
There's a history of straight women preying on boys as well, but it's not as sensationalistic, for a multitude of reasons.

[CyberCubed]

Well that's probably because boys like it. It's a, "Mrs. Robinson" scenario from The Graduate.

I mean what 15-16 year old boy doesn't want to be seduced by an older female? Of course they're not going to complain.

[plastroncafe]

The guy in the Graduate was an Adult.
15-16 year old kids aren't.

That's what makes it rape.

[THGhost]

Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner. That's two X-Men directors with sexual assault accusations. Here's hoping Matthew Vaughn doesn't end up with any.

[Spike Spiegel]

It's not gay men.
There's a history of straight women preying on boys as well, but it's not as sensationalistic, for a multitude of reasons.

I heard some rumors about a particular teacher at my high school from some of the more socially connected athlete types after we graduated and I saw them at university. It made me connect the dots as I actually can recall an incident I had where she leaned rather close to me and literally told me I smelled like strawberries (not a joke, this really happened). From what I gather, if the rumors I heard are to be believed, she mostly tended to groom the younger freshman and sophomore athletes.

When I was there, she was one of the most universally well-liked members of the faculty and she still works there, to my knowledge, despite the place experiencing a number of small scandals and a huge number of staff roster changes/retirements, including one male JROTC instructor who ran off and got married to a young female student he was sleeping with.

I think that different social factors affect female predators in comparison to males. The studies that I've read indicate that they tend to be more patient and are willing to do what they have to in order to fly under the radar...

[CyberCubed]

Filthy criminal scum, roaming our fair streets. It's hard to believe these people work among minors/kids for so many years and don't get caught. Even worse the bigswigs at Hollywood who think they're among elite society and won't get caught.

They're scum. No, they're lower than scum. In fact they give scum a bad name. They deserve to be locked up and burn in the fiery pits of hell. Damn these disgusting and sickening individuals. Damn them all to hell.

[DestronMirage22]

Filthy criminal scum, roaming our fair streets. It's hard to believe these people work among minors/kids for so many years and don't get caught. Even worse the bigswigs at Hollywood who think they're among elite society and won't get caught.

They're scum. No, they're lower than scum. In fact they give scum a bad name. They deserve to be locked up and burn in the fiery pits of hell. Damn these disgusting and sickening individuals. Damn them all to hell.

So what Jones, you gonna take matters into your own hands?

In all seriousness, I actually agree with you.
These are horrible people who deserve to be severely punished for these kind of despicable acts.
My heart goes out to all those who suffered these kinds of things. I know all too well what it feels to suffer and be in distress and not be able to tell anyone about it, be it because of a sense of shame, trust issues, or whatever other reason. I hope they eventually muster the courage to talk about these things.

[Papenbrook]

What he [Bryan Singer] did was just disgusting. :(

I hope that his victims receive some well-deserved healing in a peaceful environment.

[Sumac]

I've heard many rumors about Singer and always was surprised that none of them ever led to the court cases and the like.
Now, the roach is under the slipper, so to speak, and I hope, he won't have anywhere to run.

Personally, I really really hope that those "people" will receive as harsh punishment as possible and not a slap on the wrist.

As for why people do this? Power corrupts.
Our society is build on hierarchy and money. As soon as human have sufficiently high place and lots of money, they are starting to feel untouchable. It can make even good people into shitstains. Now if those people had some hidden dirty desires, it turns even worse. Since our society is still sadly patriarchal, men wrongdoings are more prominent, since they usually have the most power and money.
Such is a nature of human, sadly. At least, at this point of development.

[Andrew NDB]

Are we sure those other Bryan Singer accusations in the past are bogus now? Even the one that went to court and ended up with the accuser going to jail?

I mean... think about it. If I come out and say, "Plastroncafe grabbed my **** 15 years ago" and take her to court, but I can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and she's got millions of dollars to throw at a legal team and I don't? I'm probably looking at a massive countersuit from her, defamation of character, all of that, and there's nothing I can do about it.

[plastroncafe]

And because you are a dude, and I'm a chick, you'll be a laughingstock for complaining in the first place.


This is why people make such a big deal when gay dudes get caught doing this sort of thing.

[Prowler]

Seems like a lot of big names in Hollywood are getting accused of sexual harassment, assault, etc.

Tbh the show business has always been very shady, so it's not that surprising. People are just disappointed that popular guys such as Dustin Hoffman, Bill Cosby, etc. turned out to be that sort of people.

And because you are a dude, and I'm a chick, you'll be a laughingstock for complaining in the first place.


This is why people make such a big deal when gay dudes get caught doing this sort of thing.
Around 9th grade or so, a couple of girls in my school yelled at me "YOU'RE SUCH A HUNK!" out of the blue. I didn't know those girls at all and I assume they were just teasing me out of boredom or something. It didn't affect me because, well in a fist fight, I'm pretty confident I'd beat them easily.

[CyberCubed]

Around 9th grade or so, a couple of girls in my school yelled at me "YOU'RE SUCH A HUNK!" out of the blue. I didn't know those girls at all and I assume they were just teasing me out of boredom or something. It didn't affect me because, well in a fist fight, I'm pretty confident I'd beat them easily.

LOL...what? Sounds like they were coming onto you. :lol:

[Prowler]

LOL...what? Sounds like they were coming onto you. :lol:
Doubt they were tbh. I mean, I dont' want to sound like I lack confidence or anything, but in 9th grade I was a HUGE dork. Not the type of guy your average teenage girl would go for at all. I was the guy who spent recess playing Magic the Gathering and talking about wrestling instead of playing soccer and basketball like the cool guys did.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. It's a fun story to remember :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

. I was the guy who spent recess playing Magic the Gathering and talking about wrestling instead of playing soccer and basketball like the cool guys did.

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[Prowler]

Andrew, you win the Drome award for the day. Stone Cold gifs are always welcome! :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

Andrew, you win the Drome award for the day. Stone Cold gifs are always welcome! :tgrin:

Hell yeah!

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[dl316bh]

I think everybody in the building wanted Stone Cold to stun Hogan rather than share a beer during that segment. "Silverdome". F***, Hogan. Trust me, we were chanting "Su-per-dome" even louder than the broadcast show made it seem. Hell, Hogan can't even chug the beer. Rock and Austin go all in and Hulk just kind of sips like he's afraid to get his shirt wet.

[Papenbrook]

https://m.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00115298.html

Oh my... :cry:

Just ... why? Why do human beings keep doing this?

It's inhumane.

[Sumac]

Just ... why? Why do human beings keep doing this?

It's inhumane.
On contrary - it is very human thing to do, sadly.

[TigerClaw]

Allison Mack who was Chloe Sullivan on Smallville, is under investigation for being second in command of a Sex Cult
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5063683/Former-Smallville-actress-second-command-sex-cult.html

[Coola Yagami]

Then I guess i know who they'd send to ever lure me into such a cult.

[TurtleTitan97]

Never watched Smallville, but this has got to be some sucky news for her fans.

[IndigoErth]

Wow, if this is real, that is seriously messed up. :ohwell:

[Spike Spiegel]

I guess this story belongs on a real life "Wall of Weird."

[ZariusTwo]

Mack: Somebody saaaaaaaaaaaaaaave me

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting...

[CyberCubed]

What the hell is a, "sex cult?"

As long as no minors are involved, adults can do whatever they want with each other within reason.

[CyberCubed]

It's Charlie Sheen. Man should have been locked up since the 90's.

[TigerClaw]

What the hell is a, "sex cult?"

As long as no minors are involved, adults can do whatever they want with each other within reason.
If it involves abuse, beatings and branding, I don't think so.

[plastroncafe]

If it involves abuse, beatings and branding, I don't think so.

I'd say that so long as all parties are of age and give consent, then pretty much anything goes.

But laws in various jurisdictions do not agree with that opinion.
Paddleboro,
MA (http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/chihara/paddleboro)

[CyberCubed]

I change my mind. Lock them up. LOCK THEM ALL UP.

[Krutch]

I read about this a few months ago when I noticed my friend's name on the list of "confirmed sex slaves" of the group. She claims it's a smear campaign and after a bit of digging I'm inclined to believe her: the parties involved in outing this "cult" have all been involved in some very shady dealings. Not to mention all of this has been out there for months and only now gaining any traction due to media outlets trying to capitalize on the Hollywood outings with Weinstein and Spacey.

I'll keep her name out but I'll copy/paste the convo here... It's from August 14th.

Not sure how to phrase this but I thought I'd share it with you incase you were in the dark about it and wanted to get ahead of it
Stumbled across your name and picture on what looks like one of those fictitious news websites...
https://frankreport.com/2017/08/02/three-new-dos-slaves-named-making-total-of-54-dos-slaves-listed-more-to-follow/
I know this is super awkward but I figured if my name and picture was out there associated in a story like that, even satirical, I'd like to know so I thought I'd give you the heads up.
Sorry this isn't just a friendly hello-and-catch-up.

hey...
yeah this is pretty brutal...
thanks for letting me know, just curious, how did you find it...
is this easy to find?

Yeah, I figured I'd give you the heads up... This the first your hearing of it? Sorry.

no
i knew
it's horrible

I'm a fan of Allison Mack and hadn't heard of anything she's done for a while so I just googled her and that was one of the results

oh ok.
ah i see...

The website looks like trash.

yeah it is...
its a giant smear campaign

You okay?

yeah - except for being on that thing

Obviously.

yeah everything is fine with me...nothing they are talking about is true

I assumed as much. I didn't dig far into it after stumbling across it but basically the only person talking about it is this one dude so already that kills most legitimacy.
Sorry you're being thrown in the mix

thank you! thanks for reaching out.
it's scary being written about like that

the website says you can have your name removed if you email or call them... but I assume thats just his way of getting you to contact them instead of doing the work

yeah

I can't imagine being written about like that... I'd be freaking out. Glad you seem to have a strong head about it.

haha
it's been rough
but i'm dealing with it better.

Good to hear it


I never brought it up to her again. Take it for what you will.

I'll be honest, my friend is a sweetheart but also a bit of an odd duck. I want to believe her and my guts telling me 60/40 that she's telling the truth. But I also wouldn't be too surprised.

In any case, I hope the actual truth, whatever it may be, comes out sooner than later.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.wral.com/report-louis-c-k-accused-of-multiple-misconduct-acts/17103030/

Comedian Louis C.K. has been accused of sexual misconduct toward several women, including masturbating in front of them to their horror and embarrassment, according to a report in The New York Times.

Five women — including comedians Dana Min Goodman, Abby Schachner, Julia Wolov, Rebecca Corry — allege the Emmy-winning star of FX's "Louie" either pleasured himself in front of them, asked to do it or did so over the phone.

A publicist for C.K. did not immediately respond to comment from The Associated Press. Another publicist told the Times the comedian would not respond to their reporting.

In anticipation of the report, the New York premiere of Louis C.K.'s controversial new film "I Love You, Daddy" was canceled on Thursday night and C.K.'s scheduled Friday appearance on "The Late Show With Stephen Colbert" also has been scrapped.

C.K. is among the latest Hollywood figures to be accused of misconduct in a wave that began when dozens of sexual harassment allegations were reported last month against film mogul Harvey Weinstein.

Known for his candid, warts-and-all personal humor, which often includes bodily fluids and sex, C.K. grew up outside Boston. He performed stand-up sets in New York and eventually landed writing gig on Conan O'Brien's "Late Night" and David Letterman's "Late Show."

He went on to become the head writer of "The Dana Carvey Show" from 1995-96 and contributed to the animated "TV Funhouse" vignettes on "Saturday Night Live."

He was a writer on "The Chris Rock Show" and voiced patients on the Comedy Central's "Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist." He also wrote and directed the film "Pootie Tang" with Rock, an infamous bomb. His recent TV series are "Baskets," ''Horace and Pete" and "Better Things."

His new film, "I Love You, Daddy," had its premiere this summer at the Toronto International Film Festival. C.K., who co-starred in Woody Allen's "Blue Jasmine," said he and co-writer Vernon Chatman wanted to make a movie about beloved artists who are trailed by murmurs of scandal.

Some also see the black-and-white 35mm film as C.K.'s response to his own controversies. Allegations of questionable sexual behavior long have dogged C.K. and Roseanne Barr has said there are "multiple accusations" and comedian Tig Notaro advised C.K. to "handle" the rumors.

In the film, C.K. plays a successful TV producer whose 17-year-old daughter begins a relationship with an older director. It spawns a kind of crisis for C.K.'s character, who has his own issues with how he treats women.

[CyberCubed]

LOCK THEM UP.

I love how this is now piling out like a great flood or something. Pretty soon every actor will be accused.

[Candy Kappa]

Godammit Louis CK...

[dl316bh]

Louis CK's had rumors and whispers surrounding him for a bit now, so this is one of the less surprising ones. At least now it's on the record this time. I saw plenty of people brush off discussion of it in the past because there weren't any formal allegations.

I love how this is now piling out like a great flood or something.
It was bound to happen the second women - and hell, men too, given Spacey - got a single signal that they weren't alone, the general public would finally believe them and take this seriously. Weinstein going down in flames turned out to be that. Now, the more people that come out, the more people who have kept silent apparently feel safer coming into the light.

I was actually mistaken in that I thought this was all simply going to be brushed aside again for the next news cycle when it just kept going. Now I'm thinking we might see a lot of the people doing this dragged out. Half the entertainment industry is probably per-emptively lawyering up at this point.

[Leofan26]

It's nothing new for this man, same old same old. Wake me when he actually doesn't :lol:

[Leofan26]

Why the Hell does this keep happening? It seems like everyone's being accused of sexual hurrasment these days.

It all started with Cosby than went down hill from there.

[shuriken]

Why the Hell does this keep happening? It seems like everyone's being accused of sexual hurrasment these days.

It all started with Cosby than went down hill from there.

They wouldn't be accused if they didn't do anything wrong. Screw these people taking advantage of others. In the case of Spacey, that one hurt, I really respected the guy and his work. Freaking gross

[sdp]

I don't understand why anyone is shocked by all these celebrities being creeps and people turning on them because of these news. Do people actually believe all these celebrities are good people?

I'm guessing most of them are the biggest jerks you could ever meet, yes all your heroes and people you look up to.

[plastroncafe]

It takes a certain kind of person to be successful at pretending to be something they're not.
Whether that person is an actor, comedian, or a politician.

There's a lot going on here, in terms of both changing cultural mores as well as a generational changing of the guard.

[Spike Spiegel]

Isn't this the guy with a reputation for telling all those pro-feminist jokes?

[Coola Yagami]

If by sexual assault they mean take him to see strippers and pay for a Bree Olsen lap dance for the boy, yeah I'd believe that.

[TigerClaw]

Corey Haim's mother calls BS on those allegations against Charlie Sheen, she said it was somebody else.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/09/corey-haim-mother-denies-charlie-sheen-sexual-assault/

[Andrew NDB]

No comment at all from Singer on this, is there?

[Andrew NDB]

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2011/08/brettr_a.jpg

"Deuces."

https://theplaylist.net/ellen-page-brett-ratner-sexual-assault-20171110/

[CyberCubed]

https://www.facebook.com/EllenPage/posts/10155212835577449

You should **** her to make her realize she’s gay.” He said this about me during a cast and crew “meet and greet” before we began filming, X Men: The Last Stand. I was eighteen years old. He looked at a woman standing next to me, ten years my senior, pointed to me and said: “You should **** her to make her realize she’s gay.” He was the film’s director, Brett Ratner.

I was a young adult who had not yet come out to myself. I knew I was gay, but did not know, so to speak. I felt violated when this happened. I looked down at my feet, didn’t say a word and watched as no one else did either. This man, who had cast me in the film, started our months of filming at a work event with this horrific, unchallenged plea. He “outed” me with no regard for my well-being, an act we all recognize as homophobic. I proceeded to watch him on set say degrading things to women. I remember a woman walking by the monitor as he made a comment about her “flappy pussy”.
I got into an altercation with Brett at a certain point. He was pressuring me, in front of many people, to don a t-shirt with “Team Ratner” on it. I said no and he insisted. I responded, “I am not on your team.” Later in the day, producers of the film came to my trailer to say that I “couldn’t talk like that to him.” I was being reprimanded, yet he was not being punished nor fired for the blatantly homophobic and abusive behavior we all witnessed. I was an actor that no one knew. I was eighteen and had no tools to know how to handle the situation.

When I was sixteen a director took me to dinner (a professional obligation and a very common one). He fondled my leg under the table and said, “You have to make the move, I can’t.” I did not make the move and I was fortunate to get away from that situation. It was a painful realization: my safety was not guaranteed at work. An adult authority figure for whom I worked intended to exploit me, physically. I was sexually assaulted by a grip months later. I was asked by a director to sleep with a man in his late twenties and to tell them about it. I did not. This is just what happened during my sixteenth year, a teenager in the entertainment industry.

Look at the history of what’s happened to minors who’ve described sexual abuse in Hollywood. Some of them are no longer with us, lost to substance abuse and suicide. Their victimizers? Still working. Protected even as I write this. You know who they are; they’ve been discussed behind closed doors as often as Weinstein was. If I, a person with significant privilege, remain reluctant and at such risk simply by saying a person’s name, what are the options for those who do not have what I have?


LOCK HIM UP. Glad to see Ellen Page speak out against Brett Ratner.

[ZariusTwo]

I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.

I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/louis-ck-statement.html

[CyberCubed]

Lock him up

[plastroncafe]

Here's to hoping he actually apologized to the women in question.

Voicing regret to the public isn't the same thing as actually saying sorry.

Editing to add:
I quite like this
We Edit Louis C.K.'s Statement On Sexual Misconduct To Make It A Real Apology (https://qz.com/1126593/we-edited-louis-cks-statement-on-sexual-misconduct-to-make-it-a-real-apology/)

[Spike Spiegel]

From ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ellen-page-accuses-brett-ratner-making-homophobic-misogynistic/story?id=51067469)

"I was a young adult who had not yet come out to myself. I knew I was gay, but did not know, so to speak. I felt violated when this happened. I looked down at my feet, didn’t say a word and watched as no one else did either. This man, who had cast me in the film, started our months of filming at a work event with this horrific, unchallenged plea. He 'outed' me with no regard for my well-being, an act we all recognize as homophobic," Page wrote. "This public, aggressive outing left me with long standing feelings of shame, one of the most destructive results of homophobia. Making someone feel ashamed of who they are is a cruel manipulation, designed to oppress and repress. I was robbed of more than autonomy over my ability to define myself. Ratner’s comment replayed in my mind many times over the years as I encountered homophobia and coped with feelings of reluctance and uncertainty about the industry and my future in it."

Page also claims that during filming, she was reprimanded for refusing to wear a T-shirt that said "Team Ratner," thought he director "was not being punished nor fired for the blatantly homophobic and abusive behavior we all witnessed."

Good lord, I'm surprised she didn't just walk off the set after an experience like that.

[Andrew NDB]

From ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ellen-page-accuses-brett-ratner-making-homophobic-misogynistic/story?id=51067469)

Good lord, I'm surprised she didn't just walk off the set after an experience like that.

What, and miss out on being a part of the explosive finale of the Singer-borne, iconic X-Men trilogy?

[plastroncafe]

Not to mention opening herself up to being sued for beach if contact.

[Sumac]

beach if contact.
"Breach of contract" you mean? :o

[plastroncafe]

Ha! I do.
That post brought to you by autocorrect.

[Prowler]

Damn. Who is next? I hope it's not someone like Sylvester Stallone, Bill Murray, Tom Hanks or Hugh Laurie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Showrunner of The Flash and former Green Arrow comic book writer Andrew Kreisberg has been suspended by Warner Bros. Television Group amid allegations of sexual harassment.

Kreisberg also produces other DC-based series on The CW, including Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, and Supergirl.

"We have recently been made aware of allegations of misconduct against Andrew Kreisberg," said a statement from WB TV. "We have suspended Mr. Kreisberg and are conducting an internal investigation. We take all allegations of misconduct extremely seriously, and are committed to creating a safe working environment for our employees and everyone involved in our productions."

The report from Variety states alleges Kreisberg has had a pattern of abusive behavior over several years, including inappropriate physical contact with and the sexual harassment of 15 women and four men.

Kreisberg denies these allegations, and the accusers, who are current or former employees of The CW's shows, wish to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation.

“We were recently made aware of some deeply troubling allegations regarding one of our showrunners,” said a statement from Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter. The two oversee Berlanti Productions, which produces The CW shows. “We have been encouraging and fully cooperating with the investigation into this by Warner Bros. There is nothing more important to us than the safety and well-being of our cast, crew, writers, producers and any staff. We do not tolerate harassment and are committed to doing everything we can to make an environment that’s safe to work in and safe to speak up about if it isn’t.”

http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/11/11/the-flash-showrunner-andrew-kreisberg-suspended-sexual-harassment/

[Sumac]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at all.

And while I am the one to start crying how "everything is bad - everyone are bastards" the amount of dirt that went to surface is certainly astounding.

It shows that as soon as man has at least some amount of power over others he immediately will use it for some kind of stupid ****. Guess, we are very far away from anything resembling decent and equal society.

Or at the very least, people need to see psychologists more often.

[Bry]

Ratner has always been a disgusting piece of crap. His behaviour has been talked about openly for years. It's just sad it's taken this long for any of it to stick, and that so many victims were made to fear speaking out for so long.

Let all these abusers go down in flames.

[Bry]

I admit it's a fairly well-crafted statement, if you're inclined to buy it. It's a typically narcissistic "I'm trying to sound sincere but still think I can get away with it" non-apology, which only confirms he hasn't learned much here. But let's be real -- he's been confronted with this several times in the past, for years now, so nobody should buy the idea that he's just NOW realizing the scope of what he did. I want to hope the rest of his statement is true, that he's legitimately remorseful and wants to change, but I don't buy for one second that he didn't realize the impact of his actions long before now, and he's actively dismissed and avoided dealing with it until he had no choice. So to hell with him.

It sucks, I'd been a pretty big fan both of his work and other comics' work that he's promoted and helped release, so it's massively disappointing to see who he really is. All of his current projects have fallen apart over this already. If his career's over, he deserves it.

[sdp]

The thing about apologies is you can never do enough, people will always criticize whether you own it or not, no matter how you choose your words people will flip them. It seems the best way to handle the situation is to not say anything about it.

[dl316bh]

Ratner has always been a disgusting piece of crap. His behaviour has been talked about openly for years. It's just sad it's taken this long for any of it to stick, and that so many victims were made to fear speaking out for so long.
Yeah, Ratner doesn't surprise me. Actually, half of the people drug forward are about who we expected. Singer's had allegations shadowing him for a while before it finally blew up. Louis C.K. surprised some people, but there were rumors and anecdotes floating around for a while, the people he harassed just didn't want to go on the record for the usual reasons.

I didn't expect Kevin Spacey, though, but there may have been rumblings about his behavior I just hadn't heard about for whatever reason.

[sdp]

Damn. Who is next? .

George Takei

[CyberCubed]

Lock him up! LOCK THEM ALL UP.

[plastroncafe]

Or to say:

I failed miserably.
I'm sorry.
I have learned from my mistakes and won't do that again.

It's not rocket science.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/images/2014/08/george-takei.jpg

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

[Coola Yagami]

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/images/2014/08/george-takei.jpg

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

oh myyyyyy.

[dl316bh]

This one surprises me.

[CyberCubed]

But...he's gay.

So he wasn't gay back in 1981? I thought being homosexual wasn't a choice? Or so I'm told?

[Ninjinister]

But...he's gay.

So he wasn't gay back in 1981? I thought being homosexual wasn't a choice? Or so I'm told?

Can you read, Cubed? The accuser was a man.

Also do we need a new topic for every one of these accusations? I mean fuggin' Ratner and C.K. even get two of their own. It's gonna keep happening so much that there's gonna be nothing else in here.

[CyberCubed]

Oh, the thread title said, "model" so I assumed it was a female.

I mean...are there male models?

[Sumac]

Oh, the thread title said, "model" so I assumed it was a female.

I mean...are there male models?
WHrn_pHW2so

[newfan]

Oh, the thread title said, "model" so I assumed it was a female.

I mean...are there male models?

Er.... Cubed?
I'm guessing you are joking but just in case... the guys on the billboards advertising cologne, the guys in the department store brochures modelling the clothes?

[Sumac]

Er.... Cubed?
I'm guessing you are joking, you know, the guys on the billboards advertising cologne, the guys in the department store brochures modelling the clothes?
The horror of situation, that he might be NOT joking. :o

[Bry]

The thing about apologies is you can never do enough, people will always criticize whether you own it or not, no matter how you choose your words people will flip them. It seems the best way to handle the situation is to not say anything about it.

That's because there's no way to apologize at this point. He's spent years dodging these questions and actively trying to cover them up with the help of his manager. His "apology" rings totally hollow because his actions prove what his real priorities are: to protect himself and let his victims live with the consequences of his actions.

If he meant what he said, he would have said it years ago when the questions started. That says it all.

[plastroncafe]

Think of all he could accomplish if he wasn't feigning ignorance online all day.

[Ninturtle]

There's no evidence this occured, not saying it couldn't have happened but I wont take it as truth unless there's evidence to support it.

[oldmanwinters]

There's no evidence this occured, not saying it couldn't have happened but I wont take it as truth unless there's evidence to support it.

I wish this was a rule of thumb for every situation. These days, media report of allegation equates to fact of public opinion.

[plastroncafe]

I can see both sides of this story being true.
The man in question feeling victimized, while George believing he had consent.

Consent should be something that's relatively clear cut and well defined in theory, but in practice it's far less so.

That's one of the reasons I'm a big fan and supporter of the whole Yes means Yes movement. (ie: that the default answer to an unanswered question is No.)

[sdp]

I failed miserably.
I'm sorry.
I have learned from my mistakes and won't do that again.

Sorry doesn't cut it!
You can tell that apology is fake.
Of course he hasn't learned from his mistakes, he'll continue to do it.
He's only sorry because he got caught!

[plastroncafe]

All of those are legitimate concerns.
The best way to quelch that is to move forward with one's life and commit that sin no more.

When you've wronged people they are by no means required to accept your apology. But that apology must be offered in good faith first, and then followed up by actually not participating in the wrongful behavior.

Apologizing does not grant one a magically clean slate. It's not a blanket absolution. It's merely the acknowledgement that you have wronged another person or party, and the assurance that moving forward this wrong will not be repeated because a lesson previously unknown or ignored has been learned/acknowledged.

Is this not common knowledge?
Actually, given how few people seem to be able to appropriately apologize for things, maybe it isn't common knowledge.

[sdp]

The thing is it's not a "change of the old guard" like Plastron mentioned in another thread, but sort of a "fad" at this point and both the extreme left and right are encouraging it.

And yes the media and everyone takes it as a guilty verdict before anything can be proven. Don't take my "Fad" comment as if these things don't happen. Sexual harassment is a huge problem but the "guilty" as soon as someone mentions it is an absolute awful stand to take as I've read plenty of weak #metoo posts that get support and this will backfire and cause more harm to the cause than good.

As for those who "choose" not to believe, when it comes to celebrities of any kind it's most likely true. The public backlash is not sustainable since I can assure you most celebrities are likely guilty of this or other horrible stuff. You can't idolize celebrities as your heroes or you'll only be disappointed. But "XXXXX" is actually good! I doubt it, everyone has dirt, even if you look at yourself I"m sure there's things you're not proud of and would hold much more weight if you were famous.

[sdp]

I'm not saying apologies make up for what was done, they don't. I just stated that you can't make a "good" apology and it seems the best situation is just to remain silent.

Me personally? I'd rather see an apology even if not heartfelt, and as a victim I would learn to move on from it and let things go because nothing will ever make it right so why dwell on it.

[plastroncafe]

So the best apology is a non-existent apology.
I can't say that I agree with that logic.

[sdp]

I don't agree with it either, read my post. PR wise it's clearly the best move.

[ranger_scout]

Here is what Anna Paquin had to say about the accusation made against Ratner by Ellen Page.

I was there when that comment was made. I stand with you

As for the reason why she didn't say anything about Ratner's behavior sooner:

If you can't think of the glaringly obvious reason I remained silent then perhaps you've forgotten that I've been in this victim grooming industry since before I hit puberty.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/11/ellen-page-brett-ratner-sexual-harassment-x-men-anna-paquin/

[ZariusTwo]

https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/929174259276111872/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleedingcool.com%2F2017% 2F11%2F11%2Fdc-eddie-berganza-ny-daily-news%2F

[dl316bh]

https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/929174259276111872/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleedingcool.com%2F2017% 2F11%2F11%2Fdc-eddie-berganza-ny-daily-news%2F
Hey, look at that, Eddie Berganza made it on the cover.

[ZariusTwo]

Hey, look at that, Eddie Berganza made it on the cover.

So did Gary Goddard unfortunately:(

[ProphetofGanja]

They should have included the president

[sdp]

He's the only one to have been able to shrug the accusations off so easily and yet the worst offender.

[dl316bh]

They should have included the president
Oh, definitely. I imagine the reason is because his crap already came to light before this, same as why Cosby isn't on it.

[Papenbrook]

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/11/gal-gadot-will-only-be-wonder-woman-again-if-brett-ratner-is-out/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

Gal Gadot won't sign for Wonder Woman 2 unless Brett Ratner is out. his company helped co fiance the first WW movie.

That action rings hollow when she still works with people like Joss Whedon and Ben Affleck.

[plastroncafe]

Does it though?
Previously Gadot didn't have enough clout to do much of anything.
Now she's got a platform from which to make such demands.

Don't let ideological purity get in the way of actually achieving change.

[Autbot_Benz]

That action rings hollow when she still works with people like Joss Whedon and Ben Affleck.

Get over What Affleck did already he apologized and Affleck would follow the lead of his friend Kevin Smith and donate the residuals of any of his Weinstein-backed films to Film Independent or to RAINN, an anti-sexual assault organization that runs the National Sexual Assault hotline.

[Papenbrook]

Does it though?
Previously Gadot didn't have enough clout to do much of anything.
Now she's got a platform from which to make such demands.

Don't let ideological purity get in the way of actually achieving change.

Then why not use it to the fullest extent?

If she really wants to achieve change, she should stop working with everyone that's ever been accused of taking advantage of people, whether through casting-couching and/or sexual misconduct (rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc.)

If she's not going to support Brett Ratner, she should stop collaborating with people like Joss Whedon and Ben Affleck as well. It's not "ideological purity"; it's owning up to your values and morals. It's making sure that change really does occur.

Publicly denounce them, then stop working with them.

[Papenbrook]

That sounds horrible. I'm so sorry about the circumstances surrounding your friend, Krutch.

I wish for her well-being and recovery.

[Andrew NDB]

What did Whedon do again?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

George Takei

Yeah I find that one hard to swallow. For one thing he came out as gay years ago so it would seem that any women making these allegations are barking up the wrong tree. And as for guys- isn't he in a long term relationship? (Not saying it negates the possibility xompketely but would certainly make it less likely.)

[Spike Spiegel]

What did Whedon do again?

Allegedly slept with a bunch of young actresses (https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/) he had power over in some capacity and cheated on his wife.

He also has a leaked Wonder Woman screenplay (https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/joss-whedon-wonder-woman-sexist-screenplay/) that has been described as being sexist and pervy.

[ProphetofGanja]

Yeah I find that one hard to swallow. For one thing he came out as gay years ago so it would seem that any women making these allegations are barking up the wrong tree. And as for guys- isn't he in a long term relationship? (Not saying it negates the possibility xompketely but would certainly make it less likely.)

Here (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59095) is the thread about it

[dl316bh]

https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/929174259276111872/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleedingcool.com%2F2017% 2F11%2F11%2Fdc-eddie-berganza-ny-daily-news%2F
And hey, speaking of that, the inevitable happened and Eddie Berganza's been slapped with five harassment claims.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/dc-comics-editor-eddie-berganza-sexual-harassment?utm_term=.eaRPLrJRv#.enor4RxYj

For those not in the know, Eddie Berganza is another one of those "open secrets".

[Hamato Yoshi]

Sheen is No Saint , still I doubt hes into boys

[Andrew NDB]

Allegedly slept with a bunch of young actresses (https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/) he had power over in some capacity and cheated on his wife.

He also has a leaked Wonder Woman screenplay (https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/joss-whedon-wonder-woman-sexist-screenplay/) that has been described as being sexist and pervy.

Huh. But basically, Whedon didn't do any sexual harassment, assault, or pervy stuff or illegal stuff that all the others are being accused of?

[Sumac]

Then why not use it to the fullest extent?

If she really wants to achieve change, she should stop working with everyone that's ever been accused of taking advantage of people, whether through casting-couching and/or sexual misconduct (rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc.)

If she's not going to support Brett Ratner, she should stop collaborating with people like Joss Whedon and Ben Affleck as well. It's not "ideological purity"; it's owning up to your values and morals. It's making sure that change really does occur.

Publicly denounce them, then stop working with them.
On one hand you're right.

On the other - I think, we shouldn't hold position "****ed up once - ****ed up forever". Afterall, if those people have admitted to their wrongdoings and try to become better people as a result, we should give them a chance.
Of course, it depends on how hard their crime was and whether they genuinely trying to become better or just moving a hot air.

[plastroncafe]

Huh. But basically, Whedon didn't do any sexual harassment, assault, or pervy stuff or illegal stuff that all the others are being accused of?

Given his role, all of the things you listed are debatable.
When someone in a position of power makes advances towards someone in their employ...the potential for coercion exists.

What may seem like 100% consent, isn't because of the power dynamic at play.

Now, these were accusations put out into the world by his now estranged ex-wife, so...there's that. But, he admits that he slept around with younger women...who he describes as "needy."
Which is pervy as hell, and not in the good fun way.

Then why not use it to the fullest extent?

If she really wants to achieve change, she should stop working with everyone that's ever been accused of taking advantage of people, whether through casting-couching and/or sexual misconduct (rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc.)

If she's not going to support Brett Ratner, she should stop collaborating with people like Joss Whedon and Ben Affleck as well. It's not "ideological purity"; it's owning up to your values and morals. It's making sure that change really does occur.

Publicly denounce them, then stop working with them.

Hey Papen, slow your roll.

And unless I missed something, you have the wrong Affleck.
Ben might be a cheating bell-end, but it's Casey that's the sexual harassing creeper.

[Papenbrook]

Hey Papen, slow your roll.

And unless I missed something, you have the wrong Affleck.
Ben might be a cheating bell-end, but it's Casey that's the sexual harassing creeper.


Here's a comment I had/have posted in the Official Justice League Movie thread.

First, Joss Whedon's adultery was brought to light. Now, Ben Affleck's past sexual misconduct is coming to light.

WARNING: Viewer discretion is advised. Proceed with caution.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/ben-affleck-accused-once-groping-hilarie-burton-criticism-against-weinstein-n809651

https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/10/11/ben-affleck-asks-tv-host-to-expose-her-breasts/23240385/

http://celebrityinsider.org/jennifer-garner-bans-ben-affleck-from-spending-time-overnight-with-the-kids-unless-he-gets-tested-75347/

https://mobile.twitter.com/LizCrokin/status/918250325043064832?p=v

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ben-affleck-accused-groping-another-11328630



Get over What Affleck did already he apologized and Affleck would follow the lead of his friend Kevin Smith and donate the residuals of any of his Weinstein-backed films to Film Independent or to RAINN, an anti-sexual assault organization that runs the National Sexual Assault hotline.


Did he issue an apology to all of the victims?

If he didn't, then I think that his action is only saving his face (or particularly, his butt).

[sdp]

Whedon got bit by the very people he helped create :lol:

[NinjaPug]

There haven't been any allegations brought against Whedon by any victims, right?

[plastroncafe]

Whedon got bit by the very people he helped create :lol:

It's true.
Earth had no women before Joss Whedon.

[Spike Spiegel]

Whedon got bit by the very people he helped create :lol:

I still remember the Twitter sh*tstorm (https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-widow-this-is-why-we-can-t-have-nice-things-1702333037)over how he handled Black Widow's arc in Age of Ultron.

Some folks will never be satisfied, no matter how much you placate or kowtow to them. Whedon's made a career off of virtue signaling to women. I guess it was lucrative for a while, though.

Personally, I still haven't forgiven the guy for Alien: Resurrection. :lol:

[Sumac]

I still remember the Twitter sh*tstorm (https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-widow-this-is-why-we-can-t-have-nice-things-1702333037)over how he handled Black Widow's arc in Age of Ultron.
One of the most idiotic outrages ever.

Personally, I still haven't forgiven the guy for Alien: Resurrection. :lol:
He said his script was butchered. Knowing history of Alien franchise it might have been the case.

[Papenbrook]

There's a video of Ben Affleck mocking people with cerebral palsy.

I just don't know how to describe it. I just ... don't know. :(

[Spike Spiegel]

There's a video of Ben Affleck mocking people with cerebral palsy.

I just don't know how to describe it. I just ... don't know. :(

Are you sure you're not a troll account?

[GoldMutant]

Are you sure you're not a troll account?

She ain't lying, but it's old. It happened a little over a decade ago. Guess it's true, some people will do anything to defend their agenda.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ben-affleck-fondles-tv-host-video-1202587226/

[Wesley]

Didn’t see that coming. I loved her in Smallville, though I only watched some episodes of the show. I guess she’s not the person I thought she was.

[newfan]

Didn’t see that coming. I loved her in Smallville, though I only watched some episodes of the show. I guess she’s not the person I thought she was.

The same can be said for people we know in life.

[dl316bh]

He said his script was butchered. Knowing history of Alien franchise it might have been the case.
He said the script was intact, ending aside, the problem was everything else.

"It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. There's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then they’d changed the script...but it wasn’t so much that they’d changed the script; it’s that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable."

Which, I mean, if the underlying story was good, then sure. But it's not. Motivations are weak, the premise itself was not particularly good, the Newborn is just stupid - and would have been even dumber if he got what he wanted - and a bunch of the ideas themselves weren't up to snuff. I'm not sure you could have made that script good, especially if it's mostly intact as he suggests.

I think the annoying thing is that I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, as screenplays and scripts can change a lot, even during film making, and the director and actors themselves play a large role in making it work, but he comes off so "not me" about it and ready to throw everyone under the bus it turns me off. Especially since the director is, as I recall, ashamed of the film and hasn't done another movie in the US since. Joss Whedon has a nasty habit of playing the blame game when it comes to his writing. He's once said that the one line of his that survived the rewrites to make it into the first X-Men film was fine, Halle Berry just delivered it poorly. Sure buddy.

[plastroncafe]

I can't comment on the rest of this, but I think he's right about that X-Men line. It's the stereotypical Whedon quip that she recited with some very un-necessary gravitas.

But then, I'm already predisposed to not like her Storm, so there is that.

[Spike Spiegel]

P0yKSNq-oLg

[dl316bh]

I can't comment on the rest of this, but I think he's right about that X-Men line. It's the stereotypical Whedon quip that she recited with some very un-necessary gravitas.

But then, I'm already predisposed to not like her Storm, so there is that.
Honestly, I always thought it was a terrible line and wouldn't have been great with anyone. Not one of his better quips.

[plastroncafe]

Honestly, I always thought it was a terrible line and wouldn't have been great with anyone. Not one of his better quips.

I agree it's not one of his best, but I can see Spader's Ultron getting more out of the line than Storm.
Especially if the lightning attack came before the quip.

[sdp]

The only thing I've ever liked from Whedon has been Firefly.

[Andrew NDB]

I never really had a problem with the toad line. At the time I remember it being kind of a funny thing among myself and my friends at the time.

[Sumac]

He said the script was intact, ending aside, the problem was everything else.
Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know that.

I personally do not hate Alien: Resurrection. Yeah, it's extremely different from other Alien movies, but entertaining in its own right. Besides, I dunno, if I would like another attempt to recreate Alien 1.

As for the Storm line about Toad - I've heard it was punch line for the Toad joke that he was doing throughout the movie, which was cut. Which is why this line comes out of nowhere.

[dl316bh]

Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know that.
No problem. I love the Alien franchise and I always found the story behind the last two films interesting in how they fell apart, so I pay attention to stuff that comes up about them. Especially 3. Man that was a saga. Went through so many premises, scripts, writers and directors it's amazing the film held up as well as it does. They actually had William Gibson write a treatment early on.

I personally do not hate Alien: Resurrection. Yeah, it's extremely different from other Alien movies, but entertaining in its own right. Besides, I dunno, if I would like another attempt to recreate Alien 1.
I actually don't hate it either. I just think the plot was very ill conceived and the script wasn't the greatest. It was competent in design and, despite what Whedon says, that film had some decent actors surrounding Sigourney, who herself put more effort into her acting than it probably deserved.

It's more that Joss kind of annoys me for admitting it was his script, mostly intact, yet claiming it's entirely not his fault and blaming everyone else. He's made a bunch of critical darlings past that point. No one's going to think less of his ability if he admit he screwed up or it wasn't his best. Everybody has off days/projects. It won't hurt to share the blame, especially considering most people don't even remember that movie. Instead he throws everyone else under the bus and it's one of those things that made me think a bit less of him.

As for the Storm line about Toad - I've heard it was punch line for the Toad joke that he was doing throughout the movie, which was cut. Which is why this line comes out of nowhere.
Huh. I'm not sure context would have helped it, but it sure wouldn't have hurt. If the thing it played off ended up on the cutting room floor, it probably should have as well.

[Sumac]

No problem. I love the Alien franchise and I always found the story behind the last two films interesting in how they fell apart, so I pay attention to stuff that comes up about them. Especially 3. Man that was a saga. Went through so many premises, scripts, writers and directors it's amazing the film held up as well as it does. They actually had William Gibson write a treatment early on.
Two sequels to Aliens set on the space station or wooden monk planet...dreams, dreams. :(

The case, when story behind movies possible is more interesting than the final product itself.

[Andrew NDB]

There really wasn't any version of Alien 3 at the script level that was any good. Wasn't Gibson's treatment the one where humans peel their own skin and the Alien is already fully grown under the surface? Spores, from Bishop's remains? Terrible stuff.

[CyberCubed]

Both the Alien and Terminator franchises got progressively worse after the second movie. It's actually kind of funny how much both movie franchises mirror each other in their descent into bad movie sequels.

[Andrew NDB]

Both the Alien and Terminator franchises got progressively worse after the second movie. It's actually kind of funny how much both movie franchises mirror each other in their descent into bad movie sequels.

Terminator is way more laughable. If the next one fails, we will have a trilogy of failed trilogy starters. I don't even know 1 Terminator fan that's ever said, "Man, after 3 I am really ready for a new Terminator trilogy." Everyone pretty much has wanted (if they want one at all) one more great self-contained movie that ties it all up.

[dl316bh]

There really wasn't any version of Alien 3 at the script level that was any good. Wasn't Gibson's treatment the one where humans peel their own skin and the Alien is already fully grown under the surface? Spores, from Bishop's remains? Terrible stuff.
I think so? I think Gibsons was the one where Hicks and Bishop had to hold the line on a space station and would have ended on Ripley showing up to lead into a fourth film. That might have been the one with the spores. I'm not sure. I don't think the skin peeling bit was from his.

That film had so many different scripts and iterations throughout development it's hard to keep track of what was in which, especially since it's been years since I seriously read into all that.

The case, when story behind movies possible is more interesting than the final product itself.
Yup. Though in Alien 3's defense, I find the directors cut to be a far better film and actually kind of decent. It's still trying way, way too hard to be a repeat of Alien - something James Cameron knew enough to avoid with Aliens - and I still don't care for several decisions with the film or what it does, but I appreciate it more, especially considering what a nightmare the production was. It's sometimes impressive to me that a film actually came out of that at all.

Terminator is way more laughable.
They somehow managed to completely blow a future war set movie. I think that alone puts Terminator way out in front.

[Sumac]

Yup. Though in Alien 3's defense, I find the directors cut to be a far better film and actually kind of decent. It's still trying way, way too hard to be a repeat of Alien - something James Cameron knew enough to avoid with Aliens
I've heard there was a rumor that stark difference in approach for the material, between Alien and Aliens, was because Cameron slapped Xenomorphs and Ripley onto his own unrelated script.

They somehow managed to completely blow a future war set movie. I think that alone puts Terminator way out in front.
At least Alien more or less preserved normal timeline (aside from AVP movies and "Prometheuses"). Terminator indeed is laughable series nowadays.

Still will go to the next movie!! :tcool::P

[ZariusTwo]

CBR's Superman forums are locking every thread discussing the Berganza situation, where as it took Newsarama two days to report on it. When Bleeding Cool out-scoops you, you know things are akward

Louis has been dropped from "Secret Life of Pets 2"

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a842949/louis-ck-secret-life-of-pets-2-dropped/

[TurtleTitan97]

In other Arrowverse related news, Marc Guggenheim is also called out as a scumbag via a former assistant: https://twitter.com/offtothegraces/status/930228958355849216

[ZariusTwo]

In other Arrowverse related news, Marc Guggenheim is also called out as a scumbag via a former assistant: https://twitter.com/offtothegraces/status/930228958355849216

Guggenhiem is generally regarded as a douche by a lot of people, did'nt need the Perv Patrol to point that out:P

[XERO]

So he took "The Flash" as more of an innuendo.

[CyberCubed]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/16/report-sylvester-stallone-accused/

A then-16-year-old girl accused actor Sylvester Stallone and his bodyguard of sexually assaulting her in a Las Vegas hotel room in the mid-1980s, according to a police report obtained by the Daily Mail Thursday.

The alleged incident occurred in July of 1986 while the victim was staying at the Las Vegas Hilton with family friends. The victim said she met Stallone, then age 40, while he was filming the movie “Over The Top” at the same hotel, according to the Daily Mail.

The girl claims that Stallone’s bodyguard, Michael De Luca, gave her the keys to Stallone’s hotel suite on the 27th floor and invited her up. She agreed and later went up to the suite, where she says she met Stallone and De Luca.

According to a Las Vegas police report, Stallone took her into a bedroom, where they had sex, while De Luca waited in the bathroom. Stallone then asked the victim if she had ever had a threesome, the report states. De Luca then entered the bedroom and the victim was forced into giving both men oral sex, the report reads. De Luca also had vaginal sex with her, the victim told police.

Following the alleged sexual assault, the victim said Stallone threatened her to keep quiet about the incident. He told her that if she said anything, they would have to “beat her head in,” the Daily Mail reports.

The girl eventually declined to press charges and signed a no-prosecution form. According to the report, she told police, “I’m humiliated and ashamed, but I don’t want to prosecute.”

In September of 2013, De Luca was shot and killed by police in the Ventura County town of Port Hueneme during a confrontation in which he told officers he was armed, although no weapon was later found.

Stallone did not immediately issue a statement on the matter.

http://montre24.com/postimg1/89460621_medium_e97dc1d0744f6ae53e9d1f552498010a.j pg


Rocky, you're going to jail!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Lock him up! Lock them all up!

[Andrew NDB]

He's flat out denying it:

http://www.justjared.com/2017/11/16/sylvester-stallone-responds-to-16-year-olds-sexual-assault-allegation/

[Powder]

Can you guys PLEASE just make one catch-all "New Sexual Abuse Allegations" thread?

[plastroncafe]

I agree.
Put this all under one thread.

Can we name it #NotAllMen?

[Autbot_Benz]

Can we name it The Triggering for papenbrook? :lol:

[CyberCubed]

No it's better we have separate threads so the actor's name or whoever it is, is in the title. That way people can see each new famous person acussed.

The guilty must repent.

[Andrew NDB]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKT9QzR6hzG9xKw/giphy.gif

[CyberCubed]

To be fair bringing up something from 1986, literally 30 years ago, up now feels kind of pointless. While it's terrible if it did happen, something should have been said back in the 80's when Stallone was at the height of his popularity and some damage could have been done.

Now he's a 71 year old geyser. And the woman is now 46 years old.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Um Cubed? Hate to be that person but a geyser is what Old Faithful is. The word you are looking for is geezer.

[IndigoErth]

:lol:

Any who haven't had the whistle blown on them yet are probably right now feeling the same kind of pressure however. lol Just sitting there waiting to be the next one that erupts.




Being older means it didn't happen anymore? I dunno, I'm not sure it's a good message to continue in society that if you do something terrible but avoid being held accountable for long enough than it's all good, you can get away with anything.

[Prowler]

To be fair bringing up something from 1986, literally 30 years ago, up now feels kind of pointless. While it's terrible if it did happen, something should have been said back in the 80's when Stallone was at the height of his popularity and some damage could have been done.

Now he's a 71 year old geyser. And the woman is now 46 years old.
So if you murdered someone today and it was only found out 40 years from now, it shouldn't count cuz you're already too old to do it again? I can see that working in court:

Attorney: Come on, your honour, my client was mean back then but now he's too old, so why does it matter anymore?

:lol:

[Coola Yagami]

So if you murdered someone today and it was only found out 40 years from now, it shouldn't count cuz you're already too old to do it again? I can see that working in court:

Attorney: Come on, your honour, my client was mean back then but now he's too old, so why does it matter anymore?

:lol:

Assuming it even happened of course. I mean who's next? Cindy Crawford?

[CyberCubed]

It's pretty obvious almost every big male actor in Hollywood inappropiately advanced on a woman at some point, especially the ones from the 80's and 90's before the internet existed and you could get away with this stuff.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Title says all.

Please post all new news about all the sexual harassment allegations here instead of making new threads.

[CyberCubed]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/d5/5c/f4d55cfbb04996e536742daec81f0031.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Title says all.

Please post all new news about all the sexual harassment allegations here instead of making new threads.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dracula.gif

[plastroncafe]

Mods, can we change this thread name to #NotAllMen?

[Papenbrook]

Here's three of them.

https://kotaku.com/ign-employees-walk-out-after-former-employees-sexual-ha-1820409833

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/14/i-had-dinner-with-steven-seagal-and-im-not-surprised-by-the-latest-accusations

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/richard-dreyfuss-accused-of-exposing-himself-to-woman.html

[Spike Spiegel]

If this is true....:teek:

This story has been making the rounds on Medium and LiveJournal, but a couple of the sites I found it on are now listing it as unavailable.

Recently Gal Gadot tweeted that bullying and sexual harassment is unacceptable. Her hypocrisy deeply wounds me, because the shame and blame she instilled in me after her friend raped me haunts me to this day.

Gal is a predator who enables predators.

This is my story.

Here’s How Gal Gadot Actually Responded When Her Friend Raped Me. (http://www.imasurvivor.xyz/)

[IndigoErth]

If a true story, that is extremely sad. I didn't know that Gal Gadot was from Israel, but I can only assume being from that part of the world and the cultures there that tend to be pretty screwed up against women and prone to victim blaming, and teaching girls to be that way against their own, is a massive factor in her own reaction and behavior. Esp if her loyalty was most of all with her friend "Ayala" who, understandably, she might not want to see hurt in the event. But misplaced anger and her aggressive reaction and treatment of this girl is all her own and I hope she ends up having to face this publicly now. Privately face to face even... she owes her that.

I hope "Ayala" eventually figured him out and got the hell away from that guy. (Lord knows how often he has done this!) And broke it off with Ms. Gadot.

[Papenbrook]

If this is true....:teek:

This story has been making the rounds on Medium and LiveJournal, but a couple of the sites I found it on are now listing it as unavailable.



Here’s How Gal Gadot Actually Responded When Her Friend Raped Me. (http://www.imasurvivor.xyz/)

I found one site (https://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/entertainment/gal-gadot-rape-culture) that covered this story.

Oh my lord ...

My heart goes out to anyone who has ever experienced this type of pain. I hope for your well-being and recovery.

[dl316bh]

To be fair bringing up something from 1986, literally 30 years ago, up now feels kind of pointless. While it's terrible if it did happen, something should have been said back in the 80's when Stallone was at the height of his popularity and some damage could have been done.

Now he's a 71 year old geyser. And the woman is now 46 years old.
If it were about doing damage, they wouldn't bother. I imagine it's a lot like unloading a weight you've been carrying with you for a long time, now that people will finally listen, and moving on. It's also a matter of just making these things known.

Superfly Jimmy Snuka is a case of that; guy got away with murder until it was way too late - by the time someone finally got to open charges, he had both dementia and cancer, so he didn't even realize what was happening, and died not long after - but at least it was known, at least the murder didn't just disappear like it never happened, and Snuka's not talked about anymore in any positive light even in wrestling.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Stallone in the 80s could snap his fingers and get every woman he damn well pleased , the women came to HIM !

Next theyre gonna claim Cindy Crawford groped someone in the 90s :lol::roll:

[Candy Kappa]

If Stallone did it, it's not because of not getting any, that's not the primary motivation for rape. Rape is about control and being in power over someone. If he did it, he did it because he could not because of lack of groupies.

I don't see the humor of being sexually assaulted by a person, please elaborate. Is it because in your suggested scenario since Crawford is hot it's not assault, or should one just be glad someone attractive gropes you without consent and it doesn't count as assault cause only uggos can rape?

[Andrew NDB]

This seems pretty damning for George Takei:

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[plastroncafe]

Stallone in the 80s could snap his fingers and get every woman he damn well pleased , the women came to HIM !


I don't know that anyone's disputing that.
The woman in question was a minor at the time though, which makes this rape regardless of her consent.

That's creeper behavior.

And yeah, Uncle George...what the hell.

[Sage Ninja]

The story about gal godat really saddened me. I liked her so much and I don't want to believe she victim blamed this girl who came to trust her. Like maybe she genuinely thought this girl had consensual sex with her friend's boyfriend and was mad on her friends behalf for being stabbed in the back. But really since some women can be even bigger victim blammers it's not impossible something like this happened. Someone mentioned Gal's cultural background as a possible excuse for her attitude since she is from Israel, but if that is the case does it really absolve her in this case?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

At this point, they should just start announcing when a celebrity isn't suspected of sexual misconduct. I think it would be a shorter list and, at this point, make for more shocking news.

[Mayhem]

http://www.rearfront.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/a4a081390c6b4eb6090b43292e08b8fc-364x205.jpg

[plastroncafe]

http://www.rearfront.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/a4a081390c6b4eb6090b43292e08b8fc-364x205.jpg

Accurate.
So painfully accurate.

(Please not Tom Hanks...please)

[tmntfannumerouno]

If it were about doing damage, they wouldn't bother. I imagine it's a lot like unloading a weight you've been carrying with you for a long time, now that people will finally listen, and moving on. It's also a matter of just making these things known.

Superfly Jimmy Snuka is a case of that; guy got away with murder until it was way too late - by the time someone finally got to open charges, he had both dementia and cancer, so he didn't even realize what was happening, and died not long after - but at least it was known, at least the murder didn't just disappear like it never happened, and Snuka's not talked about anymore in any positive light even in wrestling.

You do know that the charges were dropped, right? You do know that WWE put out a statement on being saddened by the loss of a great performer and pioneer of the sport? You do know that there were articles from usa today, fox news, tmz, and others pretty much stating the same? Not only that but unlike Chris Benoit or Hulk Hogan, Jimmy snuka was never blacklisted. He's still listed as a Hall of Famer on the WWE website unlike Hulk Hogan's bs reason for being out of the HOF.

[TurtleWA]

Two more in the news, al franken and russell simmons.

[Andrew NDB]

Two more in the news, al franken and russell simmons.

Welcome to... last week?

Though I saw a video/news thing about the lady accusing Franken having sexually assaulted Robin Williams. Yeesh.

[Papenbrook]

Lena Dunham has been blasted for defending (http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/lena-dunham-defends-girls-writer-murray-miller/) an alleged rapist.

[Powder]

Herself, you mean?

[Sumac]

Herself, you mean?
No. This is not funny and has nothing to do with topic at hand.

[plastroncafe]

Powder isn't joking.

There's a passage in her autobiography that...is problematic, to put it mildly.

[Utrommaniac]

Yeah, she absolutely would do that, since she pretty much is one herself. Against her own sister, no less.

[Sumac]

Powder isn't joking.

There's a passage in her autobiography that...is problematic, to put it mildly.
Yeah, she absolutely would do that, since she pretty much is one herself. Against her own sister, no less.
Except she was 7 years old.

But apparently, if you did some ****ed up **** when you are 7 year old you should labeled as monster for the rest of your life.
Cool.

Guess, everyone should enlightened liberally minded individuals without doing stupid **** since their birth.
What kind of perfect world you people live in? Or rather what kind of world you don't live in?

[TurtleWA]

CBS suspends Charlie Rose, PBS halts his show following allegations
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cbs-suspends-rose-pbs-halts-225523435.html

[Hamato Yoshi]

I don't know that anyone's disputing that.
The woman in question was a minor at the time though, which makes this rape regardless of her consent.

That's creeper behavior.

And yeah, Uncle George...what the hell.

Age of consent varies from country to country : Norway 16 , Spain 13 etc.........

[Storm Eagle]

Damn. Who is next? I hope it's not someone like Sylvester Stallone, Bill Murray, Tom Hanks or Hugh Laurie.

I've been having the same thoughts as you, except I was hoping for some reason that Wayne Brady wouldn't be among these guys being outed for sexual harassment.

[plastroncafe]

Age of consent varies from country to country : Norway 16 , Spain 13 etc.........

This allegedly took place in Las Vegas, Nevada.

[ZariusTwo]

Add Pixar co-founder John Lasseter to the list

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-lasseter-taking-leave-absence-pixar-missteps-1057113

[oldmanwinters]

Add Pixar co-founder John Lasseter to the list

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-lasseter-taking-leave-absence-pixar-missteps-1057113

Wow, now THAT might require its own thread! This could be big fallout and shakeup for the future of Disney Animation Studios.

[plastroncafe]

Wow! I knew there was a problem with this in the animation industry, but...Lasseter?

Dang.

[Jester]

Good night. And sadly this is all hitting a little close to home now because a person I knew and deeply respected (IRL...in the past there was also gobo on this very site) pulled a Kevin Spacey.

[CyberCubed]

Lock the filthy criminal scum behind bars. Lock them up and throw away the key. Let them suffer and die of starvation in the dungeons of old yore.

[Papenbrook]

Good night. And sadly this is all hitting a little close to home now because a person I knew and deeply respected (IRL...in the past there was also gobo on this very site) pulled a Kevin Spacey.

I'm so sorry, Jester.

I hope that the victims have some sort of comfort for their recovery and safety. I wish them well.

[The Deadman]

Lock the filthy criminal scum behind bars. Lock them up and throw away the key. Let them suffer and die of starvation in the dungeons of old yore.

Well you cant really do that until they've been charged and convicted of said crimes.

[Shark_Blade]

Rurouni Kenshin creator charged with possessing child pornography: https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519

[PApagreg]

Rurouni Kenshin creator charged with possessing child pornography: https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519

That just depressing, Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favorite titles from Shonen Jump and to see the creator do that is just heartbreaking

[Jester]

I'm so sorry, Jester.
I'm sure you mean that but....
I hope that the victims have some sort of comfort for their recovery and safety. I wish them well.
The fact this is what you've said in multiple threads about the high profile examples makes me think this is the "atheist's 'Thoughts and Prayers'" platitude Plastron was searching for a few threads back.

[Shark_Blade]

That just depressing, Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favorite titles from Shonen Jump and to see the creator do that is just heartbreaking

It is truly disheartening indeed. :(

[dl316bh]

I'm amazed to learn through this that apparently possession of child pornography didn't become illegal over there until recently. Like, 2014 recent.

Either way, this really sucks, because Rurouni Kenshin is a damn good manga - and, well, two thirds of an anime - and now it's saddled with this. I sometimes have trouble doing the whole "separate the work from the artist" thing when cases are particularly bad. A lot of the time, when something nasty comes out, it's harder to look back on the work because you start to see a lot of warning signs you missed or things that stand out.

[Papenbrook]

Glenn Thrush, a New York Times reporter, has been accused of sexual (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/20/16678094/glenn-thrush-new-york-times) misconduct (https://mobile.nytimes.com/redirect?to-mobile=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F11%2 F20%2Fbusiness%2Fmedia%2Fglenn-thrush-sexual-misconduct.html%3Freferer%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.googl e.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DNew%2BYork%2BTimes%2BVox%26oq %3DNew%2BYork%2BTimes%2BVox%26aqs%3Dmobile-gws-lite..0l4).

[Spike Spiegel]

Damn, Rurouni Kenshin was the first manga I read all the way through as a teenager.

[Papenbrook]

Nick Carter, an inactive member of the Backstreet Boys, has been accused of rape. (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/backstreet-boys-nick-carter-accused-of-rape-w512416)

[Shark_Blade]

Rurouni Kenshin Update: Now broadcasts of the live-action movies are being cancelled.

https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-manga-goes-on-hiatus-1820671548?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

A whole studio and actors and a bunch of people worked really hard on making that movie and manga. To just burn away all of their hard work and earnings simply because he created the story and contributed to the projects? Sad.

[Refractive Reflections]

Looks like it's not just the men, but the women too who are permitting this behavior in the workplace even when it's affecting other women.


...
Given Huffington’s new role as Uber’s toxic culture clean-up consultant, Gizmodo spoke with nine Huffington Post employees, current and former, who spoke under the condition of anonymity because they continue to work in media and fear retaliation from Huffington. A former employee with direct knowledge of the investigation not only independently confirmed that the investigation was indeed the reason for Soni’s transfer, but that Huffington “100 percent knew” about Soni’s actions before they were reported to HR. Another employee in a senior leadership role at that time also confirmed Huffington’s direct knowledge of Soni’s harassing behavior before she sent out the memo, in which Huffington called it a “dream of Jimmy’s, as both his parents were born and raised there.” Huffington also noted in the memo that it was great for the company that Soni would be the one spearheading such a significant launch.

Gizmodo has also independently confirmed just what Huffington would likely have known regarding Soni’s reputation in the newsroom and the ensuing allegations against him. Soni selected the individuals for HuffPost’s Editorial Fellows program, and reportedly saw this program as a way to find a romantic partner. According to Gawker, when an editor reportedly pointed out to Soni that the group of fellows was predominantly white, blonde women, Soni reportedly responded in a semi-joking manner, “Yeah, I’m using it to find myself a wife.”

One former staffer said that on one or two occasions while Soni was managing editor, he tried to kiss or make-out with her. She also added that when Soni took over as managing editor, “**** hit the fan,” and that he created a toxic work environment, enforcing unrealistic goals and working everyone tirelessly. “Allies became enemies, enemies became allies. It was a mess.” She described Huffington as someone who may value portraying herself as a feminist, but ultimately prioritizes a ruthless work ethic over issues of sexual harassment, or what she believed Huffington viewed as “the softer side of things.” She added that Huffington “thinks those things can be swept under the rug, but earnings can’t be,” noting that “everything for her is about the optics.” In response to Huffington’s recent Uber tour, she called Huffington “a major hypocrite.”

Another woman, a fellow at the time, said that Soni was making her uncomfortable based on how he interacted with her over Facebook messages after hours. She noted the disproportionate power dynamic, given Soni was in part responsible for determining who among the fellows would be hired full time. Her Huffington Post fellowship was her first job out of college, and she remembers feeling confused as to why the editor of the entire newsroom was sending her flirty messages. She said that he was allegedly communicating with a number of other fellows in the same manner he was with her, and had also done so in the past. Another former Huffington Post employee, who was an 18-year-old intern at the time, confirmed that she had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship with Soni, who was not only her superior but, as managing editor, a member of Huffington’s senior leadership team.

The woman who received unwanted advances over Facebook messenger was made so uncomfortable—the messages had increased in frequency and evolved to requests that she go out for drinks with Soni at a time when a big hiring decision was coming up—that she told a higher-up individual within the company in April or May of 2014 of Soni’s behavior; that higher-up then reported the issue to HR. The woman told Gizmodo that she was contacted “maybe less than a week later” by the legal team at Huffington Post.

The source with knowledge of the investigation said that Huffington didn’t want to deal with Soni’s behavior, so she left it to HR. “She didn’t handle it in a good way,” they said, adding that “HR protected Arianna and the company more than the employees.”

The woman who reported Soni to a higher-up said that she was happy with Soni’s swift departure from the New York newsroom, because at the time she expected that no action would be taken. She did, however, find the India announcement odd. She said that Huffington never sat down with any of the fellows or apologized for what happened with Soni. “Do I think she is a truly feminist advocate? No. By no means.” Numerous anonymous sources said that, internally, the announcement was widely considered to be a PR strategy to move Soni out of his position in light of the allegations. Four former Huffington Post employees said they were skeptical about the memo’s explanation and Soni’s sudden departure from the newsroom.

Huffington’s knowledge of the investigation into Soni, together with an absence of recognition of the issues internally or externally, cast doubt on her commitment to advocate on behalf of women. A Huffington Post employee who was an editor at the time said that Huffington was “very protective of those who were in her inner lair,” adding that “I don’t doubt for a fraction of a second that she would protect them whether it’s for sexual misconduct or professional misdealings.”
...

https://gizmodo.com/arianna-huffington-ignored-sexual-misconduct-at-the-huf-1820389889

[Sumac]

Not to derail this topic, but I wonder, how much probability that "keyboard-progressives" will give this news a proper attention?

They love to tell how all conservatives are hypocrites, but I wonder what are they gonna do about when hypocrites are one of "their own"?

[Refractive Reflections]

With this photo of Minnesota senator Al Franken:
Franken had written some skits for the show and brought props and costumes to go along with them. Like many USO shows before and since, the skits were full of sexual innuendo geared toward a young, male audience. As a TV host and sports broadcaster, as well as a model familiar to the audience from the covers of FHM, Maxim and Playboy, I (Leeann Tweeden) was only expecting to emcee and introduce the acts, but Franken said he had written a part for me that he thought would be funny, and I agreed to play along.

When I saw the script, Franken had written a moment when his character comes at me for a ‘kiss’. I suspected what he was after, but I figured I could turn my head at the last minute, or put my hand over his mouth, to get more laughs from the crowd.

On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL…we don’t need to rehearse the kiss.’ He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.

He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.

I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time. I walked away. All I could think about was getting to a bathroom as fast as possible to rinse the taste of him out of my mouth. I felt disgusted and violated.

Not long after, I performed the skit as written, carefully turning my head so he couldn’t kiss me on the lips. No one saw what happened backstage. I didn’t tell the Sergeant Major of the Army, who was the sponsor of the tour. I didn’t tell our USO rep what happened. At the time I didn’t want to cause trouble. We were in the middle of a war zone, it was the first show of our Holiday tour, I was a professional, and I could take care of myself. I told a few of the others on the tour what Franken had done and they knew how I felt about it.

I tried to let it go, but I was angry. Other than our dialogue on stage, I never had a voluntary conversation with Al Franken again. I avoided him as much as possible and made sure I was never alone with him again for the rest of the tour. Franken repaid me with petty insults, including drawing devil horns on at least one of the headshots I was autographing for the troops.

But he didn’t stop there. The tour wrapped and on Christmas Eve we began the 36-hour trip home to L.A. After 2 weeks of grueling travel and performing I was exhausted. When our C-17 cargo plane took off from Afghanistan I immediately fell asleep, even though I was still wearing my flak vest and Kevlar helmet. It wasn’t until I was back in the US and looking through the CD of photos we were given by the photographer that I saw this one:

http://images.tritondigitalcms.com/6616/sites/320/2017/11/15155723/leeann-airplane-pic.jpg
I couldn’t believe it. He groped me, without my consent, while I was asleep.

I felt violated all over again. Embarrassed. Belittled. Humiliated.
How dare anyone grab my breasts like this and think it’s funny?
I told my husband everything that happened and showed him the picture.
I wanted to shout my story to the world with a megaphone to anyone who would listen, but even as angry as I was, I was worried about the potential backlash and damage going public might have on my career as a broadcaster.

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

And what Arianna Huffington considers part of a "comedic sketch" photoshoot is now raising eyebrows...
https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/arianna_h_al_franken_benson_2000_lg.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=650
https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/arianna_h-_al_franken_harry_benson_2000_lg.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/20/new-pics-show-al-franken-grabbing-arianna-huffingtons-breasts-and-butt/

[Autbot_Benz]

we already know what Al Franken did he also apolgized and said he would cooperate with any investigation regarding it.


What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo

[plastroncafe]

It's kind of nice to see so many people care about this issue.
I just have to try really hard to fool myself into thinking they care because sexual harassment is wrong, and not because "One of theirs did it!"

[Refractive Reflections]

Not to derail this topic, but I wonder, how much probability that "keyboard-progressives" will give this news a proper attention?

They love to tell how all conservatives are hypocrites, but I wonder what are they gonna do about when hypocrites are one of "their own"?
http://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Bill-Under-600-LI.jpg
Only when it's politically convenient of course. The fact that you have the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opinion/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton.html):
In this #MeToo moment, when we’re reassessing decades of male misbehavior and turning open secrets into exposes, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broaddrick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her


, the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-all-bill-clintons-fault/2017/11/03/ee16c574-c0df-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.3eb584e38933):

The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton...

Yet despite the right’s evident bad faith, I agree with Hayes. In this #MeToo moment, when we’re reassessing decades of male misbehavior and turning open secrets into exposes, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broaddrick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her. But revisiting the Clinton scandals in light of today’s politics is complicated as well as painful. Democrats are guilty of apologizing for Clinton when they shouldn’t have. At the same time, looking back at the smear campaign against the Clintons shows we can’t treat the feminist injunction to “believe women” as absolute.


, Vox (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned):

Over the past 18 months, the combination of an excellent profile by Katie J.M. Baker and a cynical stunt by the Trump campaign has prompted a reconsideration of Juanita Broaddrick’s allegation that Bill Clinton raped her in 1978.

This is an important conversation to have, due to both the serious nature of the charges and their interplay with the commonplace progressive idea that we should “believe women” when they come forward with allegations of sexual assault.


, and the Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/):


"The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton"
...
“The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history, and there are consequences for that.”

are all now throwing the Clintons under the bus after the 2016 election to preserve the tattered remains of their reputations, shows their apparent "concern" for women when this behavior of Bill Clinton was already reported back in the 90s, and was reminded again before the 2016 election. Ironic, considering what Hillary stated on Twitter in November 2015 (https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/668597149291184128): "Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported."

...Yet this clip of The View before the 2016 election, portrays how Clinton's accusers were considered comedic fodder since it wasn't politically convenient to do so at the time:
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[Redeemer]

Rurouni Kenshin creator charged with possessing child pornography: https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519

Wow incredibly sad and messed up. A person with such talents and someone who is looked up to by many does this....

[plastroncafe]

It's kind of nice to see so many people care about this issue.
I just have to try really hard to fool myself into thinking they care because sexual harassment is wrong, and not because "One of theirs did it!"

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

"Tekashi69" is accused of being a child fondler.

http://www.hiphopmyway.com/g/6ix9ine-pleads-guilty-misconduct-with-minor/?utm_source=sm&utm_content=inf&utm_medium=6869&ipp=1&umtscde=13nqv&umtctd=M2k2eGhwZG5weDY

http://www.preciseearz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/a1-8.jpg

Also in news, fire is hot.

[Sumac]

Only when it's politically convenient of course.
As expected. As long as you are useful to anyone - everything will be buried and forgotten. As soon as you no longer needed - time to remember all your crimes.

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.
PlastronCafe-ception? Or interesting case of dual-personality, when a person have a conversation with themself?

[dl316bh]

Not to derail this topic, but I wonder, how much probability that "keyboard-progressives" will give this news a proper attention?
I swear, all you ever seem to post about in this section are progressives, SJW's or whatever terminology can be put in scare quotes.

People are talking about it, but reaction's varied. Obviously, what I see comes down to comment sections and different reactions across the net, but going by that, you've got a small number of hypocrites, some folks who still think the whole thing was a witch hunt, plenty of people doing some soul searching, people who say this is bad but was necessary at the time for political reasons - which, if they nail Republicans to the wall for it, is hypocritical, but unless you check each ones comment history you don't know which ones are being hypocrites - and finally, the people who agree it's terrible but are disgusted at the people doing the soul searching or turning on the accused because they wish the left were more like the right and just supported their side no matter what. I think if I hear the old chestnut of "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" one more time I'm going to hurl. Much as I wish the left came together a bit stronger most of the time, I much prefer not falling in lockstep and never questioning things.

Short Version: The left is not a monolithic entity.

What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo
Dude, those guys are monsters, I agree a hundred percent, but whataboutism isn't a good response.

are all now throwing the Clintons under the bus after the 2016 election to preserve the tattered remains of their reputations
People were starting to throw them under the bus even before this, let's not kid ourselves. That's what happens when you lose to the worst candidate in history that a majority of the country hated coming in. People question if you're still worth listening to.

The reminder of the specifics of the Clinton scandals - and lets not forget, most people forgot the allegations were more than just the extramarital affair the impeachment proceedings centered around - just made it worse.

[Sumac]

I swear, all you ever seem to post about in this section are progressives, SJW's or whatever terminology can be put in scare quotes.
I am just sick of Left hypocrisy.
They fighting for something good, but some of them doing it in such way that it alienates and puzzles everyone. And despite their claims that they are "morally and intellectually" superior to the Right, they gladly use Rights rhetoric and methods when convenient, including fear-mongering, denial of reality and science, and the like.

I am liberal in many of my beliefs and hearing those people saying that they want to do something good, while at the same time acting not all that different from those who they say, they are fighting against, saddens and infuriates me.

Short Version: The left is not a monolithic entity.
Thanks, Cap.

[dl316bh]

I am just sick of Left hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy sucks, but you're never going to find a side/party/group/ideology/whatever without a little bit of it, because we're all human and we're all a little bit hypocritical, because we're all complicated. If nothing else, allowing itself to take root in you and become something you fixate on doesn't help either way, it just frustrates you. Might be worth it to take a step back?

This isn't me being sarcastic or a dick, if it's not clear.

I am liberal in many of my beliefs
I know. You've mentioned it in several threads. Since I don't know you that well, I take you at your word. I'm not insinuating you're, I don't know, a "fake liberal" or troll or whatever.

Thanks, Cap.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fz_nn60qpf0/VVqJAzJ0qqI/AAAAAAAAHu4/1h9GVUxVgyU/s1600/captain_america.jpg

[Papenbrook]

we already know what Al Franken did he also apolgized and said he would cooperate with any investigation regarding it.


What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo


Dude, those guys are monsters, I agree a hundred percent, but whataboutism isn't a good response.


He also used that sort of justification for Ben Affleck ...

Get over What Affleck did already he apologized and Affleck would follow the lead of his friend Kevin Smith and donate the residuals of any of his Weinstein-backed films to Film Independent or to RAINN, an anti-sexual assault organization that runs the National Sexual Assault hotline.


... and Jason Mamoa:

Who cares he was commenting on the show he was working on Game Of Thrones which probably had some rape scenes in the show do to the fictional time period . Christ Women like Pappenbrook get triggered about every little thing.

Also like Affleck He Apologized :roll:


Additionally, he created an insulting tag (papenbrooktriggered) just because I was upset about this whole situation.
I was sending condolences and wishing recoveries, and as a response, he created that crude and semi-misogynistic tag? While also being disrespectfully sexist towards me and other people who were possibly affected by this?! Honestly, I was getting agitated at that point.

I'm starting to think that he doesn't really care about the victims' vital well-being nor their possible recovery/safety. I think he cares more about people he seemingly hates getting (rightfully) called out and punished. He doesn't call out his problematic faves, however. He just uses their non-apology apologies (and whatever else they "promise" to do) as evidence that they've had sincere regrets and that they'll completely reform.

Don't take half of what he says seriously.

For everyone else, this is not a partisan issue. This is a human rights issue. Let's try to focus on the victims.

[Redeemer]

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.

They say talking to yourself does not mean your crazy, but only if you respond back to yourself. :lol:

Sorry don't think I have ever seen someone talk to themselves on this forum :lol:

I do agree sexual harassment/abuse is wrong no matter who does it and justice should be fair and not for the rich or powerful. Including past and present presidents :ohwell:

[Autbot_Benz]

He also used that sort of justification for Ben Affleck ...




... and Jason Mamoa:




Additionally, he created an insulting tag (papenbrooktriggered) just because I was upset about this whole situation.
I was sending condolences and wishing recoveries, and as a response, he created that crude and semi-misogynistic tag? While also being disrespectfully sexist towards me and other people who were possibly affected by this?! Honestly, I was getting agitated at that point.

I'm starting to think that he doesn't really care about the victims' vital well-being nor their possible recovery/safety. I think he cares more about people he seemingly hates getting (rightfully) called out and punished. He doesn't call out his problematic faves, however. He just uses their non-apology apologies (and whatever else they "promise" to do) as evidence that they've had sincere regrets and that they'll completely reform.

Don't take half of what he says seriously.

For everyone else, this is not a partisan issue. This is a human rights issue. Let's try to focus on the victims.

go back to your safe space on tumblr https://i.imgur.com/UIBlofE.gif

[ProphetofGanja]

They say talking to yourself does not mean your crazy, but only if you respond back to yourself. :lol:

Sorry don't think I have ever seen someone talk to themselves on this forum :lol:


Ya know if you read what was posted in between her two posts you realize she was making a point

[ProphetofGanja]

go back to your safe space on tumblr https://i.imgur.com/UIBlofE.gif

Why are you being such a dick?

Quit spewing toxic ****

[plastroncafe]

Ya know if you read what was posted in between her two posts you realize she was making a point

Shhh, don't distract them

[dl316bh]

How dare you insinuate I am easily distracted, I am the picture of attentiveness.

Except when someone dangles shiny keys.

[Katie]

I don’t even know why this is a political issue at all. Sexual abuse is gross no matter who did it. I don’t give a crap what party they affiliate with.

Here in Alabama, the whataboutism and protection of the “party” is astounding in connection with Moore. People would rather vote for a sleezy old Bible Thumper than a Democrat because “Teh Libs!!!!”

So freakin gross.

[Sumac]

I don’t even know why this is a political issue at all. Sexual abuse is gross no matter who did it. I don’t give a crap what party they affiliate with.
It becomes political, when harassers are politics.
And especially, since people are incapable of separating people from their ideology and use any opportunity to promote their agenda (i.e. Republican senator is harasser - then all Republicans are hypocrites and monsters).

Hypocrisy sucks, but you're never going to find a side/party/group/ideology/whatever without a little bit of it, because we're all human and we're all a little bit hypocritical, because we're all complicated. If nothing else, allowing itself to take root in you and become something you fixate on doesn't help either way, it just frustrates you. Might be worth it to take a step back?

This isn't me being sarcastic or a dick, if it's not clear.
I agree, with you.

My situation is a bit complicated - I live in Russia, which it is very backwards country, which with each year pushed back into medieval times. Propaganda fuels hatred for everyone who are not like "majority" here and a lot of things which are taken in the West as normal, like respect for the women or gays, are absent here or pressured into non-existence. They are considered "Western poisonous values, that degrade Honest and Kind Russian people into morally rotten animals" and that pretty much a direct citation of words that TV hosts speak on our TV day after day.

Because of this any discussion that had something to do about women or gay turned into shitshow of epic proportions. And the whole situation in the country only getting worse, with little to no hope for something better. I hoped that Western Liberals, who are claiming to be smarter and more honest, are actually different, but the more I have learnt about them the more I was disappointed with them.

TL;DR
I hoped to finally find like-minded people, while living in the country with very very conservative values, and ended with people who in many ways do the same thing as the people who I dislike. Which confuses and disappoints me, because, it means that it's hard to trust or understand people at all.

[Papenbrook]

Two more women have accused Al Franken of sexual misconduct. (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/al-franken-two-more-women-groping_us_5a15a455e4b09650540ec295)

[dl316bh]

TL;DR
I hoped to finally find like-minded people, while living in the country with very very conservative values, and ended with people who in many ways do the same thing as the people who I dislike. Which confuses and disappoints me, because, it means that it's hard to trust or understand people at all.
It helps to realize that it's the effect of the internet and it's not really indicative of everyone. A lot of discussions, comment sections, forums and so on are just the same group of people and not really a huge sample of the country like we tend to assume, something I realized a couple years ago when I noticed most comment sections on any big site were the same voices every time. Most people who go on the internet and read something don't comment on it. Otherwise, with the hundreds of millions with internet in this country, comment sections and forums and the like would be way past the thousands of comments, instead of hundreds. Hell, some of the people who do talk about things are from other countries, such as yourself, diluting that number even further.

I don’t even know why this is a political issue at all. Sexual abuse is gross no matter who did it. I don’t give a crap what party they affiliate with.
I agree, but you get some folks on both sides who are generally more worried about political implications for reasons ranging from practical to stupid.

Here in Alabama, the whataboutism and protection of the “party” is astounding in connection with Moore. People would rather vote for a sleezy old Bible Thumper than a Democrat because “Teh Libs!!!!”

So freakin gross.
I sort of expected that from Alabama, though. It's deep, deep red territory. If anything, I'm shocked the race has tightened as much as it apparently has since this came out. If that comes out as condescending or looking down on your home state, it's really just meant to be a statement on how far tilted it is. Though I'm sure there are plenty of people there concerned about the implications if this guy is elected.

[Sumac]

It helps to realize that it's the effect of the internet and it's not really indicative of everyone. A lot of discussions, comment sections, forums and so on are just the same group of people and not really a huge sample of the country like we tend to assume, something I realized a couple years ago when I noticed most comment sections on any big site were the same voices every time. Most people who go on the internet and read something don't comment on it. Otherwise, with the hundreds of millions with internet in this country, comment sections and forums and the like would be way past the thousands of comments, instead of hundreds. Hell, some of the people who do talk about things are from other countries, such as yourself, diluting that number even further.
I agree with this, but it certainly leaves impression.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Brigitte Nielsen says Stallone was with her all the time in Vegas when he was shooting OTT as they were newlyweds so I guess he might be innocent.

[Andrew NDB]

Brigitte Nielsen says Stallone was with her all the time in Vegas when he was shooting OTT as they were newlyweds so I guess he might be innocent.

Now watch, in tomorrow's news, "Brigitte Nielsen announced for Creed 2!"

[TigerClaw]

Add Matt Lauer to the list, he's been fired by NBC this morning, over sexual misconduct.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/nbc-news-fires-today-anchor-matt-lauer-after-sexual-misconduct-n824831

[Jester]

http://cdn.skim.gs/image/upload/v1456339159/msi/where-in-the-world-is-matt-lauer_rxyx27.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Apparently the New York Times was working on the story, and NBC decided to jump in front of it.

[Spike Spiegel]

Complaint received on Monday, fired on Wednesday...that's a hell of a turnaround.

Although, if this happened in 2014, why not report it then? Is a major network news anchor as well protected as someone like, say, Harvey Weinstein?

[Bry]

Complaint received on Monday, fired on Wednesday...that's a hell of a turnaround.

Although, if this happened in 2014, why not report it then? Is a major network news anchor as well protected as someone like, say, Harvey Weinstein?

Yes. They're all protected. Time, money, and effort have been invested in these guys, and their "owners" aren't going to throw all that away easily.

Why victims frequently don't report against powerful men has been exhaustively explained, many times. Generally they're the target of retribution for speaking out, blacklisted from their careers and potentially dragged through the mud in public for the rest of their lives while the abuser gets off scot free. It's only very recently that it's become "safer" to come forward at all. And even then, you've got people questioning their timing and obfuscating the real issue. Everything is stacked against the victim.

[ZariusTwo]

Andrew Kreisberg has been fired

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/flash-arrow-andrew-kreisberg-1202623603/