Sexual Allegations Thread.

[Autbot_Benz]

I never liked Hardwick either he comes up as a stuck up dick wad.

[Powder]

hardwick just looked like a phony, fake nerd. and more like a used car salesman/business man selling snake oil. I've always hated how he took something that was so personal to people and basically corporatized it and sucked its soul dry.
that, and I NEVER understood how he basically rose out of the gutter over night from basically nowhere, and then was suddenly EVERYWHERE, hob nobbing with the worlds biggest stars and getting some very rare guests on his podcast that didn't show up anywhere else, and then wasted the opportunity big time.... like rick moranis (where he talked more about himself than moranis, BTW).

I have always been relatively indifferent to him, but be realistic. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. The guy did not wake up & decide he would seek to be paid for making light of your special interests. He was given the position by executives & casting directors who found him to be charismatic, attractive, & somewhat in-touch with the media he would be a commentator of. This is how the television industry works, Vegita-San. What you may deem "real" fans or "true" geeks, however you wanna label it, they lack the qualities that make them relatable/charming to regular people. He's not there to impress you with his pop culture know-how, he's doing a job.

[plastroncafe]

I think this is one of those things where both of them could in fact be telling the truth. It's very possible that Hardwick does not see his behavior as abusive and controlling. We know he has a history of substance abuse, which says to me he's got control issues right off the bat.
And it is entirely possible for someone to be this self unawares.

I find the guy genial and for the most part inoffensive as a geek.
He's one of those people whose professional life I envy, but not to the point where I would be willing to do all of the glad handing and self selling that it would take to achieve what he has. I'm just not that kind of fan.

[Papenbrook]

In all honesty, unfortunate occurrences such as these force me to realize that I can't really trust anyone involved within the entertainment industry.

I guess - I just have to hope it isn't them. That's ... all I can really do at this point.

[Andrew NDB]

All of Hardwick's shows have been pulled and he will not be hosting panels at SDCC

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a859614/talking-dead-host-chris-hardwick-denies-sexually-assaulting-chloe-dykstra/

Absurd. AMC should be ashamed of themselves for kowtowing to nothing.

The only part of her missive that seems fairly easy to investigate and actionable and couldn't be coming from a place of jilted revenge is Hardwick allegedly using his status to literally call places up, telling them not to hire her and then having them not hire her as a direct result (as opposed to, I dunno, places simply not wanting to hire her because she's not as qualified as other candidates). If that's true, fine, that's an abuse of power and no bueno. But I suspect she won't name what studio/company because it's potentially a FAKE thing.

[Sumac]

In all honesty, unfortunate occurrences such as these force me to realize that I can't really trust anyone involved within the entertainment industry.

I guess - I just have to hope it isn't them. That's ... all I can really do at this point.
Don't trust anyone. Not even yourself.
Not even your pets and fridge. Who knows what dark thoughts and deeds they do behind your back? :tgrumble:

[Andrew NDB]

Don't trust anyone. Not even yourself.
Not even your pets and fridge. Who knows what dark thoughts and deeds they do behind your back? :tgrumble:

I have to report you now, Sumac. This is harassment, and I think you stared at my profile picture longer than 5 seconds. Not OK!

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AZaC-wC1ofY/V0IVzS5WdLI/AAAAAAAAX5U/rhN7rO-KOnw61VjeXTJKTd0XfBqHP0ScgCLcB/s640/the%2Bshadow%2Bon%2Bthe%2Bradio.jpg

[Vegita-San]

I have always been relatively indifferent to him, but be realistic. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. The guy did not wake up & decide he would seek to be paid for making light of your special interests. He was given the position by executives & casting directors who found him to be charismatic, attractive, & somewhat in-touch with the media he would be a commentator of. This is how the television industry works, Vegita-San. What you may deem "real" fans or "true" geeks, however you wanna label it, they lack the qualities that make them relatable/charming to regular people. He's not there to impress you with his pop culture know-how, he's doing a job.

Understood. It was a market that was just dying to be tapped, and if it wasn't him, it would be some other tool doing the tapping.

doesn't mean i have to like it though! that's what gets us phony sites where people are more interested in making money and earning fame points than actually doing what you love and creating to create stuff simply for the joy of it!

It'll be interesting to see what Rob Paulsen does at this point. does he keep talking toons at nerdist, or does he split?

I never did like the association. It was such a great start up story and he did such a good job promoting and producing the show without anyone's help. not sure why he decided to make it more corporate simply for video opportunities. James Arnold Taylor does his obi wan kenobi podcast in video form without nerdist..and it's free too...

[NinjaPug]

Turning her story into a scenario where he's the victim because he claims she was unfaithful is absurd. Oh, you're a future father - well that clears it up. What a terrible statement to make.

Has anything come out revealing who the person was that helped blackball her?

[plastroncafe]

Not that I've seen, though the whisper I'm hearing the most of is Felicia Day

[Leo656]

I think Andrew's my new favorite. F*ck the rest'a you's.

[Vegita-San]

I really hope all the b ig teir nerdist people arn't going to turn out to be jerks.

I don't want to dislike the new MST3K. although I DO find it REALLY odd and wonder WHY Joel went with pretty much an entire nerdist oriented cast when he's always went with unknowns before. rather unusual.

[Andrew NDB]

I think Andrew's my new favorite. F*ck the rest'a you's.

There's some good eggs around here. I even really like Plastron, but she seems to have decided I'm bad news.

[BartAllen]

If she has all this damning evidence, she should just release it. Personally, if I was accused of those things, and didn't do them, I would sue the **** out of her.

The entire metoo movement reminds me of poor Brian Banks. The guy went to prison for 5 years because a woman said he raped her. The only reason he was released was because the 'victim' admitted to making up the alleged sexual assault so her mother wouldn't find out she was having sex.

Women are people, and people lie. They even lie about rape. They do it because they're vindictive and they know that we currently live in a climate that even the hint of sexual impropriety is a life ender.

[sdp]

The entire metoo movement reminds me of poor Brian Banks.


The thing is sexual harassment is a HUGE problem that people ignore, it happens everywhere and all the freaking time. All those pricks that you hated in high school do the same sh-t in their everyday lives making the lives of women usually horrible int he workplace. The worst part about this problem and the reason it doesn't get enough attention is because there's no real evidence that can be gotten and also because victims don't come forward and when they do nothing happens. It's really hard to see the problem if you're not a woman sadly.

Now I think the #metoo is horribly flawed, the "always believe them" is not a rule I can get behind on, it's prone to abuse and any abuse of it will only deter people from thinking it's a problem. The other problem is what is being defined as sexual harassment, that link Papenbrook posted seems a parody but things are getting there, no a hug or all looks are not sexual harassment, it's hard to define and by being so god damn stupid with how strict people are going for it's becoming the laughing stock and people will not take the issue seriously anymore. Also the punishment people are receiving is outragous, cancel the show and get them fired for a big offense? No problem. Public shaming and having companies avoid a certain person for PR reasons for what can be entailed as flirting? errr...not so much. That's only hurting the cause.

Don't let the current political climate make you believe it's not a problem, it is horrible and something must be done about it. Can't say I have any solutions but the dialog has to be there, it can't be ignored because of a few people abusing it and it for that same reason it can't have the consequences it currently is giving people accused.

In all honesty, unfortunate occurrences such as these force me to realize that I can't really trust anyone involved within the entertainment industry.

I guess - I just have to hope it isn't them. That's ... all I can really do at this point.

Obviously most everyone in the entertainment industry has abused their power, you gotta learn to separate the art from the artist. If we really punished all the people who abuse their powers there would be no actors or people who make those happen to play their roles.

I find it silly how people react "I'm never watching ____" again, dude, most of the actors you love likely did very similar things, only difference is one got caught. Why should those who haven't be treated better?

[Andrew NDB]

If she has all this damning evidence, she should just release it. Personally, if I was accused of those things, and didn't do them, I would sue the **** out of her.

Look at how careful she has gone about this. She avoids actually saying his name anywhere, the names of any companies or... really anything specific at all. All probably to avoid libel and defamation charges.

[plastroncafe]

Here's more information on Brian Banks, should people be interested.

Was Football Star Brian Banks Wrongfully Convicted of Rape? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/banks-wrongfully-convicted-rape/) (snopes)

While Gibson fabricated her account of being assaulted, research shows that such instances are rare; a 2012 report by the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC) found that while false reports make up between 2 and 10 percent of total rape reports, 63 percent of sexual assaults are not reported to authorities. NSVRC spokesperson Laura Palumbo told us this can create more issues for those who have been sexually assaulted:

The prevalence of false reporting of sexual violence is low, yet still when survivors come forward, many face scrutiny or encounter barriers. When the rare case of a false report is misrepresented as a common occurrence, this creates additional barriers for victims coming forward. Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many victims don’t report sexual assaults.

Banks himself has voiced support for sexual assault survivors; in June 2016 he criticized the fact that Stanford University student Brock Turner only received a six-month sentence for rape:

I would say it’s a case of privilege. It seems like the judge based his decision on lifestyle. He’s lived such a good life and has never experienced anything serious in his life that would prepare him for prison. He was sheltered so much he wouldn’t be able to survive prison. What about the kid who has nothing, he struggles to eat, struggles to get a fair education? What about the kid who has no choice who he is born to and has drug-addicted parents or a non-parent household? Where is the consideration for them when they commit a crime?

In December 2017, he said that assault survivors seeking justice “should have the opportunity to do so.” He also said that had the statue of limitations not expired for Gibson’s perjury, he would have pressed charges against her:

Part of my life was taken away because of her. But more importantly, you have to go after people like this because a person such as herself makes it harder for a woman who is raped to come forward confidently and share their story and hope something is done about what happened to them. They should be able to expect to be believed.

This disbelief extends to men/male identified folks too.

[BartAllen]

The thing is sexual harassment is a HUGE problem that people ignore, it happens everywhere and all the freaking time. All those pricks that you hated in high school do the same sh-t in their everyday lives making the lives of women usually horrible int he workplace. The worst part about this problem and the reason it doesn't get enough attention is because there's no real evidence that can be gotten and also because victims don't come forward and when they do nothing happens. It's really hard to see the problem if you're not a woman sadly.

Now I think the #metoo is horribly flawed, the "always believe them" is not a rule I can get behind on, it's prone to abuse and any abuse of it will only deter people from thinking it's a problem. The other problem is what is being defined as sexual harassment, that link Papenbrook posted seems a parody but things are getting there, no a hug or all looks are not sexual harassment, it's hard to define and by being so god damn stupid with how strict people are going for it's becoming the laughing stock and people will not take the issue seriously anymore. Also the punishment people are receiving is outragous, cancel the show and get them fired for a big offense? No problem. Public shaming and having companies avoid a certain person for PR reasons for what can be entailed as flirting? errr...not so much. That's only hurting the cause.

Don't let the current political climate make you believe it's not a problem, it is horrible and something must be done about it. Can't say I have any solutions but the dialog has to be there, it can't be ignored because of a few people abusing it and it for that same reason it can't have the consequences it currently is giving people accused.



Obviously most everyone in the entertainment industry has abused their power, you gotta learn to separate the art from the artist. If we really punished all the people who abuse their powers there would be no actors or people who make those happen to play their roles.

I find it silly how people react "I'm never watching ____" again, dude, most of the actors you love likely did very similar things, only difference is one got caught. Why should those who haven't be treated better?
I absolutely know sexual harassment is happening in the world. In one of my previous jobs I heard my direct supervisor sexually harassing one of my female coworkers - He was rightfully fired for what he was doing. Sexual harassment and rape DOES happen. That said, the metoo movement feels like a witch hunt. Any woman that even makes a hint about a guy at this point can ruin a man's credibility and reputation. That's not helpful in the slightest and the repercussions are already being felt.

Here's more information on Brian Banks, should people be interested.

Was Football Star Brian Banks Wrongfully Convicted of Rape? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/banks-wrongfully-convicted-rape/) (snopes)



This disbelief extends to men/male identified folks too.

Right, so 2 percent of all men in the country? Do you know how big a number that is? Try 3,250,000. That 2 percent looks a lot worse when you account for how many men are in this country.

Look at how careful she has gone about this. She avoids actually saying his name anywhere, the names of any companies or... really anything specific at all. All probably to avoid libel and defamation charges.
I just don't understand why anyone would 'want to hold back evidence' to protect a rapist. She's doing this the way she is because she knows if her feet are truly held to the fire she'd probably be shown to be a liar.

[Vegita-San]

the problem is, I doubt the false accusations would get as much press coverage. it doesn't invoke the same sense of outrage, therefore, less ratings.

there was even an ABC 7 news reporter that falsely accused someone of bad deeds. she got fired. this was long before the me too movement.

sad part is, when someone does this type of stuff and ruins someones career for revenge, it deludes the very thing the me too movement was started to rightfully cover and draw attention too.

and that hurts everyone.

[BartAllen]

the problem is, I doubt the false accusations would get as much press coverage. it doesn't invoke the same sense of outrage, therefore, less ratings.

there was even an ABC 7 news reporter that falsely accused someone of bad deeds. she got fired. this was long before the me too movement.

sad part is, when someone does this type of stuff and ruins someones career for revenge, it deludes the very thing the me too movement was started to rightfully cover and draw attention too.

and that hurts everyone.

Bingo, and right now, in today's climate, what's to stop a woman from doing just that. She's going to be automatically believed regardless of the evidence.

And to clarify: When it's proven that a man assaults a woman he should be permanently removed from society. Rape, in my view, is worse than murder. I just do not like the mentality behind the movement. It's far too dependent on the 'listen and believe' narrative that is so pervasive right now. People are vindictive and lie. Especially if they know that no one will question them lest they get labelled some kind of ist.

[plastroncafe]

I feel terrible for those 2% of people, regardless of whether they're male or female identified. But I also feel exponentially worse for the 63% of people who don't come forward because they're afraid of looking like that 2%.

As I've said elsewhere in the thread it is entirely possible that both people involved in the Hardwick scandal could be entirely telling the truth from their perspective.

I think it is completely within the realm of the possible that abusive people do not see themselves as abusive.
They are not mustache-twirling bad guys. Or Cruella DeVilles seeking to make coats from puppies.

They are people with a control problem.

People who do bad things are still people. And by labeling them as monsters all you do is convinced a bunch of people with those tendencies we're not talking about them.

And here's the problem with saying that rape is worse than murder, and that it should be treated as such by the legal system:
You get rapists to just go and murder their victims because they'll serve less time in prison if they're caught.

And depending on what they look like, if they are caught maybe they'll get six months because they have such a promising future and why would we want to ruin that for a half an hour of bad decisions.

[Prowler]

I feel terrible for those 2% of people, regardless of whether they're male or female identified. But I also feel exponentially worse for the 63% of people who don't come forward because they're afraid of looking like that 2%.

As I've said elsewhere in the thread it is entirely possible that both people involved in the Hardwick scandal could be entirely telling the truth from their perspective.

I think it is completely within the realm of the possible that abusive people do not see themselves as abusive.
They are not mustache-twirling bad guys. Or Cruella DeVilles seeking to make coats from puppies.

They are people with a control problem.

People who do bad things are still people. And by labeling them as monsters all you do is convinced a bunch of people with those tendencies we're not talking about them.

And here's the problem with saying that rape is worse than murder, and that it should be treated as such by the legal system:
You get rapists to just go and murder their victims because they'll serve less time in prison if they're caught.

And depending on what they look like, if they are caught maybe they'll get six months because they have such a promising future and why would we want to ruin that for a half an hour of bad decisions.

Wait, what? Murderers get shorter sentences than rapists? And if a rapist kills their victim and that's found out he'll be trialed for two crimes and get a combined longer sentence, no?

[Andrew NDB]

Hardwick's ex defends him:

https://people.com/tv/chris-hardwick-ex-jacinda-barrett-defends-him-amid-sexual-assault-allegations/

[Andrew NDB]

Hardwick's ex defends him:

https://people.com/tv/chris-hardwick-ex-jacinda-barrett-defends-him-amid-sexual-assault-allegations/

And now more Hardwick exes defend him:

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/06/28/chris-hardwick-two-ex-girlfriends-speak-out-defense-amid-abuse-a/

[Vegita-San]

as much as i dislike chris hardwick....fake allegations REALLY need to be hardlined with consequences. and the people who've REALLY had something happen to them should equally come out and show support for people who've had fake allegations made against them.

[plastroncafe]

Terry Crews gets mocked by 50 Cent and Russell Simmons for speaking out about his sexual assault.

50 Cent faces backlash for mocking Terry Crews for his sexual harassment activism (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/entertainment/50-cent-terry-crews/index.html)

[NinjaPug]

I hate the mindset that having past partners defend you means the claims of another aren't true. All relationships and situations are different just as people become different over time. That's cool that someone had a good relationship with him two decades ago but it has nothing to do with the current allegation.

Didn't Depp's ex defend him after Amber Heard accused him of beating her?

[plastroncafe]

I have a past partner who was controlling, raised a hand to me, and is the source of my PTSD.
We were very young, and I have no doubt that they didn't know any better. However, the fact that they may not have done to their later partners doesn't negate or erase what happened when we were together.

[Andrew NDB]

I hate the mindset that having past partners defend you means the claims of another aren't true.

No, but since there isn't actually any investigation and it's all hearsay, at the very least this provides some relevant data on the individual in question.

Kind of like... you are thinking about hiring Joe. What do you do? You call Joe's previous jobs and ask how he was.

[Vegita-San]

can he change? yes..

but, lets flip the coin. why is it OK to believe all the 100 or so women who came out against someone like say, bill cosby? most people would instantly believe someone if they came out to accuse him, just because so many had come out and done so before. and i have no doubt most of those where probably just band wagoners looking for some fast cash and sympathy.

why is it not ok to believe women defending hardwick? so far it seems like 3 or 4. what happens if the number grows to 10? are they all lying? did they all sign nda's and get hush money so they couldn't trash him?

seems like a bit of hypocritical ness, or something like it, going on here.

[NinjaPug]

can he change? yes..

but, lets flip the coin. why is it OK to believe all the 100 or so women who came out against someone like say, bill cosby? most people would instantly believe someone if they came out to accuse him, just because so many had come out and done so before. and i have no doubt most of those where probably just band wagoners looking for some fast cash and sympathy.

why is it not ok to believe women defending hardwick? so far it seems like 3 or 4. what happens if the number grows to 10? are they all lying? did they all sign nda's and get hush money so they couldn't trash him?

seems like a bit of hypocritical ness, or something like it, going on here.


Where did I say you can't believe the people defending him? I'm sure they did have good relationships with him. It just doesn't mean Dykstra did.

[Papenbrook]

Re-Posted:

An article that describes Pixar's unwelcoming environment has been posted. (https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/former-pixar-artist-cassandra-smolcic-speaks-out-about-the-studios-sexist-vulgar-and-unprofessional-culture-161540.html)

OmG, it's worse than I thought ... :(


I can't believe this ...

I just ... wow ...

[Sumac]

So triggered...

[Papenbrook]

Weinstein now faces a maximum of life in prison. (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harvey-weinstein-face-life-prison-following-latest-sex-crime-charges-164144765.html)

[Andrew NDB]

Yvette Nicole Brown has replaced Chris Hardwick on all the Talking Dead stuff.

https://uproxx.com/tv/yvette-nicole-brown-chris-hardwick-walking-dead-panel-host/

Of course she has.

[BartAllen]

No one seems to be talking about Trudeau. The lack of media coverage and outrage by the left really does show that their nonsense really is just virtue signaling.

I feel terrible for those 2% of people, regardless of whether they're male or female identified. But I also feel exponentially worse for the 63% of people who don't come forward because they're afraid of looking like that 2%.


How do they know it's 63% if it's unreported? That number is such an asspull that it smells of yesterday's lunch.

Yvette Nicole Brown has replaced Chris Hardwick on all the Talking Dead stuff.

https://uproxx.com/tv/yvette-nicole-brown-chris-hardwick-walking-dead-panel-host/

Of course she has.

The Walking Dead is garbage, and the comic isn't much better nowadays. The comic has been infected with the BS that has plagued the show since the very beginning.

[Papenbrook]

The CEO of Feminist Apparel, Alan Martofel, fired his entire staff after they learned that he sexually abused women. (https://www.refinery29.com/2018/07/203982/feminist-apparel-ceo-alan-martofel-fires-staff)

[Vegita-San]

No one seems to be talking about Trudeau. The lack of media coverage and outrage by the left really does show that their nonsense really is just virtue signaling.


and this is a surprise, why? SJW's are nothing but phonies looking to yell the loudest without any real passion behind the yelling.

[Spike Spiegel]

The CEO of Feminist Apparel, Alan Martofel, fired his entire staff after they learned that he sexually abused women. (https://www.refinery29.com/2018/07/203982/feminist-apparel-ceo-alan-martofel-fires-staff)

https://i.imgur.com/w3hUyFC.gif

[Papenbrook]

The CEO of Feminist Apparel, Alan Martofel, fired his entire staff after they learned that he sexually abused women. (https://www.refinery29.com/2018/07/203982/feminist-apparel-ceo-alan-martofel-fires-staff)

Wow. This is just ... unbelievable.

Talk about a corruption within a corporation.

[Klunk1234]

Hollywood is full of crap. I'm not longer watch any of their awards ceremonies, I used to like them.

[Jester]

The CEO of Feminist Apparel, Alan Martofel, fired his entire staff after they learned that he sexually abused women. (https://www.refinery29.com/2018/07/203982/feminist-apparel-ceo-alan-martofel-fires-staff)

Wow. This is just ... unbelievable.

Talk about a corruption within a corporation.
Did you just post that based on headline and then finally read the content or something?

[Papenbrook]

Mostly the former, but I was also (mostly) responding to my own post.

I guess I should have just posted my thoughts without the quote.

[Sumac]

No one seems to be talking about Trudeau. The lack of media coverage and outrage by the left really does show that their nonsense really is just virtue signaling.
Indeed.
But it's always the case with zealots who cry the loudest. Most of them are liars.

Hollywood is full of crap. I'm not longer watch any of their awards ceremonies, I used to like them.
That'll show them! :tcool:

[Leo656]

But it's always the case with zealots who cry the loudest. Most of them are liars.


Or worse - and as I often suspect - they're trying to deflect from and/or atone for their own misbehavior. Kind of a "silent penance".

I do know I'm instantly suspicious of anyone who takes every available opportunity to let everyone know just what a "Good Person" they are. I don't trust them at all.

[Sumac]

Or worse - and as I often suspect - they're trying to deflect from and/or atone for their own misbehavior. Kind of a "silent penance".

I do know I'm instantly suspicious of anyone who takes every available opportunity to let everyone know just what a "Good Person" they are. I don't trust them at all.
Here, here.
Good people don't scream about their goodness on every corner.

[Leo656]

Just last week I found out that Dolly Parton is massively involved in various charities, and has been for decades. She's a huge literacy advocate and donates books to underprivileged children, for example, among many other things. I never knew about any of that.

Reason being, she's not a Look-At-Me-Stanley, trumpeting her righteousness to anyone who'll listen. She just does good stuff without making a big deal about telling anyone, which implies that it's less about PR and more about actually helping people.

I think that's neat. Some people act like they're trying to buy their way into Heaven, and that really gets on my nerves.

[Sumac]

I think that's neat. Some people act like they're trying to buy their way into Heaven, and that really gets on my nerves.
Ditto. This sort of thing is always suspect.
Besides, history knows plenty of examples when the biggest advocates of something were complete opposite of what they were preaching.

This is why it's hard to take all those hardcore "progressives" and "conservatives" seriously. They are just doing what they think is the most profitable / popular at the moment and they will become whatever will be popular next at the drop of the hat.

[BartAllen]

Ditto. This sort of thing is always suspect.
Besides, history knows plenty of examples when the biggest advocates of something were complete opposite of what they were preaching.

This is why it's hard to take all those hardcore "progressives" and "conservatives" seriously. They are just doing what they think is the most profitable / popular at the moment and they will become whatever will be popular next at the drop of the hat.

Lot of truth to that.

[ZariusTwo]

Henry Caville is in the doghouse for making remarks that he fears flirting with women in case he's branded a rapist

https://etcanada.com/news/346694/henry-cavill-faces-online-backlash-after-admitting-hes-hesitant-to-flirt-with-women-for-fear-of-being-called-a-rapist/

He apologized

https://twitter.com/DanyGarciaCo/status/1017428424141492224

[plastroncafe]

I really worry about dudes who can't tell the difference between flirting and harrassment.

[Vegita-San]

either henry is being way too aggressive, or he knows only crazy SJW women who really think flirting is akin to that.

[Papenbrook]

Henry Caville is in the doghouse for making remarks that he fears flirting with women in case he's branded a rapist

https://etcanada.com/news/346694/henry-cavill-faces-online-backlash-after-admitting-hes-hesitant-to-flirt-with-women-for-fear-of-being-called-a-rapist/

He apologized

https://twitter.com/DanyGarciaCo/status/1017428424141492224

As he should. (Seriously, he thinks that women enjoy being chased. What the ...?)

Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill - who's next?!

[GoldMutant]

As he should. (Seriously, he thinks that women enjoy being chased. What the ...?)

Cavil's attitude seems to be that of an older generation. The kind of guy who wants to surprise a lady and attempt ways to come together. While he's far from one of the best guys in Hollywood, least he's owning up to being cautious.

Otherwise, my God. That entire article is so damn toxic. It's part of a problem I find with the movement and sort of understand Cavil's POV. People will do anything to get their fifteen seconds of fame off any person. Yet, their story is misconstrued; case in point, Malcolm McDowell last year. Frustrates the crap out of me.

[Andrew NDB]

I think he kind of clumsily is saying that hey, I might just start to date this chick, we might break up, she might not like that... and she tells the press whatever story she wants with 0 supporting evidence and my career is ruined forevermore.

Like, I dunno, Hardwick.

[plastroncafe]

Some women like that sort of thing in their courtship, and they're not wrong for it. And Cavill isn't wrong for enjoying either.

What's wrong is when you don't know for certain, and you treat a person that way anyways. Because one person's romantic, is another person's restraining order.

it's all about knowing your audience, creating a safe space, and communication.

Margaret Atwood said it best, men are afraid that women will laugh at them and women are afraid that men will kill them.
And I'm just kind of done with putting men's Feefees ahead of my safety.

[Andrew NDB]

creating a safe space

https://media.tenor.com/images/1d7be2a6bde81d68277e361e52a0778b/tenor.gif

[BartAllen]

I really worry about dudes who can't tell the difference between flirting and harrassment.
How do we know when we cross a line when, apparently, it's harassment to ask a woman for her phone number at this point.

Frankly, I know I haven't been on as many dates this past year because I'm afraid that I may say something that could get me in trouble. Just recently I had a co-worker ask me out for drinks and I declined because I don't want to have to worry about losing my job if she takes something I said innocently as harassment. It's just not worth it anymore.

Some women like that sort of thing in their courtship, and they're not wrong for it. And Cavill isn't wrong for enjoying either.

What's wrong is when you don't know for certain, and you treat a person that way anyways. Because one person's romantic, is another person's restraining order.

it's all about knowing your audience, creating a safe space, and communication.

Margaret Atwood said it best, men are afraid that women will laugh at them and women are afraid that men will kill them.
And I'm just kind of done with putting men's Feefees ahead of my safety.
In other words: BE A MIND READER, GUYS.

I think he kind of clumsily is saying that hey, I might just start to date this chick, we might break up, she might not like that... and she tells the press whatever story she wants with 0 supporting evidence and my career is ruined forevermore.

Like, I dunno, Hardwick.

I know a few guys this has happened to. They've lost their jobs because they dated a woman in the office. It went bad and said woman claimed harassment. It's just not worth it anymore. I don't want to ruin my career because a woman gets mad at me and uses the current social climate to ruin my life. Not worth it.

[plastroncafe]

Some women like that sort of thing in their courtship, and they're not wrong for it. And Cavill isn't wrong for enjoying either.

What's wrong is when you don't know for certain, and you treat a person that way anyways. Because one person's romantic, is another person's restraining order.

it's all about knowing your audience, creating a safe space, and communication.


Yup.
Mind reading is exactly what I'm suggesting here.
Because clearly the only form of communication that exist, is telepathy.

Please go back to ignoring me, Vegita.
For your mental health and well-being, as well as mine.
or at very least read the entire thread, so you'll know that I was sexually assaulted, and maybe not make jokes at my expense because of it.

[Papenbrook]

I'm sorry that happened to you, Plastroncafe.

My condolences are with you.

[Andrew NDB]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/fa945af35338fd37afa20ba4d2da01ff/tumblr_nsivd6SHGj1r3gqv8o2_540.gif

[Candy Kappa]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/fa945af35338fd37afa20ba4d2da01ff/tumblr_nsivd6SHGj1r3gqv8o2_540.gif

... classy...

[plastroncafe]

Meh, I've seen worse from better.

Back on topic:
In a recent interview, Henry Cavill expressed concerns about dating in the #metoo era. But what does it mean when men say they're afraid to flirt now?
https://twitter.com/DrNerdLove/status/1017843133462261761
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[sdp]

Superman star Henry Cavill explains why he's hesitant to flirt or try to date anyone in the #MeToo era because he might be falsely accused of being a rapist or sexual harasser. So of course they call him a rapist and sexual harasser for this "unfounded" fear. (http://archive.is/IjlUx#selection-3449.0-3452.0)
:lol::lol::lol:


On a more serious note what is sad about all this behavior is that it's causing great harm to a real issue. With all the crazy going on you have the likes of many in this thread who don't take this issue seriously but it's only those extremists that are ruining it for the real victims.

[Vegita-San]

On a more serious note what is sad about all this behavior is that it's causing great harm to a real issue. With all the crazy going on you have the likes of many in this thread who don't take this issue seriously but it's only those extremists that are ruining it for the real victims.

I absolutely think there are jerks that still sexually harass people out there. and it's a very real issue that needs to be taken seriously.

on the other hand, you have the online world where people are either one extreme or the other, and when you translate that kind of craziness into real world claims (and there are people just as crazy IRL as there are online in the way people act) ....it's sometimes hard to know what you should take seriously, and what you shouldn't. because there absolutely ARE women who will make stuff up just to get revenge on someone they don't like. hell, men will do that kind of behavior too..and it's probably just as common.


-edit - previous post deleted. when you see half a conversation, you take stuff out of context, cause it does seem bizarre to read.

[plastroncafe]

Sub-texual apology accepted.

[Papenbrook]

What's the update on Melanie Martinez?

[BartAllen]

I absolutely think there are jerks that still sexually harass people out there. and it's a very real issue that needs to be taken seriously.

on the other hand, you have the online world where people are either one extreme or the other, and when you translate that kind of craziness into real world claims (and there are people just as crazy IRL as there are online in the way people act) ....it's sometimes hard to know what you should take seriously, and what you shouldn't. because there absolutely ARE women who will make stuff up just to get revenge on someone they don't like. hell, men will do that kind of behavior too..and it's probably just as common.


-edit - previous post deleted. when you see half a conversation, you take stuff out of context, cause it does seem bizarre to read.
Exactly. There are definitely assholes out there that think they can get away with some inappropriate stuff. That said, the pountmetoo movement feels like a witch hunt at this point. It just does, and I don't blame Cavill for thinking the way he does.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hardwick is back as Talking Dead host after Investigation as finished

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/07/25/chris-hardwick-hired-amc-talking-dead-reinstated/

[Andrew NDB]

Hardwick is back as Talking Dead host after Investigation as finished

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/07/25/chris-hardwick-hired-amc-talking-dead-reinstated/

Ah, good on AMC.

[BartAllen]

Hardwick is back as Talking Dead host after Investigation as finished

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/07/25/chris-hardwick-hired-amc-talking-dead-reinstated/

Good. The fact that he was removed as a host in the first place was idiotic.

[Vegita-San]

on the one hand, it's nice to see an innocent persons career wasn't destroyed.

on the other hand, hardwicks back. .


although I did see that this supposed investigation was done by a company that hardwick married into. hardly un biased.

[plastroncafe]

All those Fanboys who worried his career was ruined, can now sleep easier at night.

[Andrew NDB]

All those Fanboys who worried his career was ruined, can now sleep easier at night.

https://media.giphy.com/media/OMIJlfQPzI0RW/giphy.gif

[Papenbrook]

The CBS CEO, Les Moonves, is now being accused of committing sexual assault. (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/06/les-moonves-and-cbs-face-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct)

Kimberly Guilfoyle has been accused of sexual misconduct. (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b5a6064e4b0b15aba96f4de)

[Sumac]

All those Fanboys who worried his career was ruined, can now sleep easier at night.
I see someone is salty.
Is it because man wasn't horrible monster you wanted him to be?
Or is it because woman making accusation ended up as a liar and not a perfect image of truth and perfection? :P

[Papenbrook]

So many people were (or will be) unveiled as abusers, rapists, molesters, or harassers.

In so little time, everything will come to light.

[Andrew NDB]

What's the update on Melanie Martinez?

That's actually the first valid thing you've asked in a long time. She, like, hardcore raped her friend -- allegedly, yet her friend gave a fairly detailed accounting, far more detailed than even the one Hardwick's ex gave -- and is on doing more albums and posting cute stuff on Instagram like it's nothing and without missing a beat. While male dudes who "did" far less are being stripped of careers right out of the gate with no questions asked. Interesting.

A refresher (https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8062843/melanie-martinez-the-voice-timothy-heller-additional-comments-rape-sexual-assault-accusation). Keep in mind this is an accuser who was literally and forcibly raped.

[Sumac]

In so little time, everything will come to light.
Nope.
"Everything" will never come to light.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Supposedly Cubby Broccoli forced Carole Bouquet to perform sexual favour in order to get a part in the Bond movie , no wonder she didnt care for doing that movie , this and her druggie bf to deal with)

[Autbot_Benz]

Hardwick is back on his NBC Shows now too.

[ZariusTwo]

JJ Abrams and two LOST producer apologise to Evangeline Lilly for her state of undress in two scenes from the show

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/08/06/lost-producers-offer-apology-to-evangeline-lilly-following-revealing-reveal/

[Papenbrook]

Hmmm ... :(

Hollywood has some dark secrets that are expertly hidden under a cake of it's own make-up.

I hope more will be revealed soon .....

[ZariusTwo]

Matthew Newton pulls out of directing Eve due to fan backlash over assaulting his girlfriend in 2007

https://deadline.com/2018/08/matthew-newton-exits-eve-director-of-jessica-chastain-backlash-1202443704/

[ZariusTwo]

Pro Wrestler Randy Orton under investigation

https://cultaholic.com/news/wwe-investigating-randy-orton-misconduct-allegations/

[plastroncafe]

Wow. That guy sounds like a charmer.

[Krutch]

My buddy worked with Randy on one of the Marine movies.

This...pretty much lines up perfectly with what he described.

[Andrew NDB]

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/rko-outta-nowhere-gif.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/GDEOxqi3zj7he/giphy.gif

http://viralviralvideos.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/10/RKO-GIF.gif

[Papenbrook]

Breaking: Asia Argento, a vocal advocate of #MeToo, is now being accused of sexual assault. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/asia-argento-paid-sexual-assault-accuser-report-1135872)

Shocking, indeed ...

[The Deadman]

Breaking: Asia Argento, a vocal advocate of #MeToo, is now being accused of sexual assault. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/asia-argento-paid-sexual-assault-accuser-report-1135872)

Shocking, indeed ...

And her buddy, who is all too willing to throw any male under the bus when theyre the accused, is telling people to hold off on the accusations until the truth comes out...because its HER friend who happens to be a female

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1031535197433602048

[Autbot_Benz]

And her buddy, who is all too willing to throw any male under the bus when theyre the accused, is telling people to hold off on the accusations until the truth comes out...because its HER friend who happens to be a female

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1031535197433602048

ah yes Rose Mcgowan she is batshit crazy :roll:

[The Deadman]

It just boggles my mind how these people can have this mindset. If it were a male, and it was just accusations without any evidence, they'd have him crucified. But since it's a woman, no, we have to wait for the facts.

[Vegita-San]

it's year of the woman this decade. can do no wrong. so long as you agree with certain aspects of the femnazi nature. then you're part of the cool club.

[plastroncafe]

Year of the woman this decade?
...


Sure.

How many people did we see come out in Defence of known male abusers?
So why is it double plus bad when a woman does it?

[The Deadman]

It's double bad this time because of the hypocrisy involved. When a male does it, they're automatically guilty. When a female does it, in this case the woman who was at the forefront of the MeToo thing, we now have to wait for the facts to come out. Where's that same energy for the men that are wrongfully accused?

[plastroncafe]

So we're just going to ignore all the people who came to the defense of the dudes?
Because there were quite a few of them.

And the tactic they use to prove the potential of innocence, is to discredit/blame the victim.

No one's stopping you from making that energy.
Be the change.

[Andrew NDB]

It's double bad this time because of the hypocrisy involved. When a male does it, they're automatically guilty. When a female does it, in this case the woman who was at the forefront of the MeToo thing, we now have to wait for the facts to come out. Where's that same energy for the men that are wrongfully accused?

https://max-media.imgix.net/transfers/2016/10/25/2b731b9fcbfa23d858f58c8bb76ea1feb5ce81ea.gif

[Machias Banshee]

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