Another movie from Platinum Dunes in the works - new writer hired

[NinjaPug]

Platinum Dunes is still involved but not sure if this new movie is connected to the two previous abominations.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/new-ninja-turtles-movie-works-1121467?__twitter_impression=true

[Papenbrook]

Here we go again. :roll:

[IndigoErth]

Interesting news... Not gonna get my hopes up. I'm used enough to the PD Turtles that I'd be fine with seeing more of them (and dammit I do want more of this Leo I admit), but I'd be very surprised if it was the same version. Still sore of the fact that they should have gotten new writers for this last one...and a bit concerned that this sounds like they're trying to keep in a serious comedy direction. (Or should I say seriously comedic.) Maybe even more-so? (Not familiar with this guy's work.)

But at the very least maybe they've decided that it was them, not the Turtles, who blew it in this last round and they're still a viable franchise.

[AquaParade]

So many emotions. Definitely surprised Platinum Dunes is still involved. The article mentions a new chairman being with the company. Hopefully that makes some type of difference. I mean, they did release A Quiet Place recently, which seemed to be a step above all their previous releases. Perhaps there is some hope. I'm going to look into this writer they've supposedly hired.

[Krutch]

It's too early to tell anything, but I liked Bad Words for whatever that's worth.

[AquaParade]

I suppose it doesn't mean much when a writer is announced this early on. There's still the huge matter of a director being hired and how he feels about the script. Then come the re-writes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh no... I am not optimistic.

[AquaParade]

It's at least worth acknowledging that these are the same producers as before. They seem willing to shift direction when something doesn't pan out.

I saw a Post-Out of the Shadows interview where they stated they thought they had the right ingredients (yikes), but that the audience wasn't there to support it. So they at least know they screwed up. If we are lucky, they'll once again pivot, perhaps accidentally, into something that's actually good.

It's sort of like watching one of those dvd-screensavers, where the logo helplessly bounces from corner to corner, rarely ever fitting perfectly into the edges of the screen. Every once in a while though...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's at least worth acknowledging that these are the same producers as before. They seem willing to shift direction when something doesn't pan out.

I saw a Post-Out of the Shadows interview where they stated they thought they had the right ingredients (yikes), but that the audience wasn't there to support it. So they at least know they screwed up. If we are lucky, they'll once again pivot, perhaps accidentally, into something that's actually good.

It's sort of like watching one of those dvd-screensavers, where the logo helplessly bounces from corner to corner, rarely ever fitting perfectly into the edges of the screen. Every once in a while though...

It'll be kiddie fair. They won't try to jump onto the comic book movie adaptation bandwagon (like they should have done in the first damn place), they'll go for full My Little Pony animated movie broke. Or animated Sponge Bob movie. Or whatever.

It'll be trash. TMNT fans get no respect, and TMNT comics don't get recognized.

[IndigoErth]

It's sort of like watching one of those dvd-screensavers, where the logo helplessly bounces from corner to corner, rarely ever fitting perfectly into the edges of the screen. Every once in a while though...
:lol: Good analogy.

Come on, you can do it!

[Autbot_Benz]

Oh boy sees new Ninja Turtles movie. Still Sees its produced by Platinum Dunes

https://i.imgur.com/BLPYUDQ.gif

[Vicky82]

Damn I was so excited until I saw that Platinum Dunes is involved as well. :ohwell:

[IndigoErth]

According to insiders, they are hoping to elevate the quality seen in the previous two films produced by the studio with this relaunch. (https://heroichollywood.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-bad-words/)

However, both were made before the arrival of chairman Jim Gianopulos, who has made it a priority to clean up the studio’s slate and refocus its franchises.
I'm at least glad the Turtles are wanted as one of those franchises. Likewise apprehensive about PD and these producers being involved still. If they'd just stay out of the way it might be for the best.


edit: Oh, yeah... And if it's still the PD Turtles, can we get someone else to play April? (Likewise Casey or fix the character.) Just saying.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nooooooooooo!!!!

[Autbot_Benz]

ya Don't bring back Stephen " I was a terrible Casey Jones just like I am a Terrible Green Arrow" Amell. I don't want Casey to be a whiny cry baby cop who got scared at the first time seeing the turtles

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Full reboot or GTFO. No Amell, no Fox, no Arnett, none of those same sh!tty writers or producers...

But that's too much to ask, isn't it? Platinum Dunes is still involved.

[Sumac]

As long as they redesign Turtles into less hulking abominations and not center movie on April, I am on board.

[syk_skillz]

Sucks that it's PD doing it although with give it a chance since they have a new chairman now. I really hope for a reboot so we get new better designs (5ft-ish, not so ugly, skinnier frame turtles), better actors for Casey/April, Actual reason for Splinter/Shredder feud, and competent good plot.

[bushido]

A new tmnt movie! :teek: ... still produced by Bay, Form and Fuller :tmad:

[AquaParade]

I'm currently under the assumption they are going to reboot, new designs, actors, and all.

Fans did not show up to support them after their first attempt. They know something has to change fundamentally.

[neatoman]

Oh my god, why? I thought we were done! This raises so many questions.

You wanna make another TMNT movie? Fine! But why go with the producers again? Nobody liked the first two and the second didn't even break even, why entrust the same producers a third time? Is this a Fant4stic scenario or some crap? Do they have to make a TMNT movie every 5 years or something? That's the only way I can make sense of this, that or some kind of tax write-off.

The only good(?) news is that the hired a brand new script writer. While he really only has one movie under his belt, at lest it seemed somewhat well received (I guess I'll check it out once I know for whter or not this movie gets made. The weird thing is that he's making Space Jam 2. What's with this guy and writing sequels nobpdy asked for? Anyway, he can't be much worse than the previous writers.

Josh Appelbaum and André Nemec were awful at writing TMNT, the former wrote one single movie before TMNT and the other was basically only involved with television before. Evan Daugherty wasn't much better, though I suspect he or Jonathan Liebesman might have been the reason the first one didn't suck quite as hard. He's not good but Jonathan Liebesman is at least far more experienced than Dave Green, so that might just be it. Not that I want either back in the director's chair.

In terms of writer and director... I don't know... There might not be many critically acclaimed directors who'd want to make TMNT movies, but there's gotta be someone with a track record of OK movies, right? Like a Ron Howard. And maybe you need an experienced screen writer as well (though the previous ones barely qualified) but if they insisted on multiple writers before, why not bring someone familiar with the material. Bring in Tom Waltz or Paul Allor or someone, I have no idea how they're as screen writers but at least then I'd be confident the characters wouldn't annoy me as much.

[newfan]

Surprising news, we were all speculating a few years away. Well, Dunes puts a damper on it.. but in these early days... I'm actually feeling... some excitement (which could be killed later on) Sorry guys, I wanted more turtles than just having Rise, so this is something... depends what the do. .. maybe they will be taking PD complaints into consideration while doing this?

[ZacksSoUgly]

I can't help but be excited any time that anything new TMNT is announced. On the flip side of that coin, I can't help but be disheartened when I see that PD is still attached.

To be fair, though, I enjoyed Out of the Shadows. Megan Fox was still an abomination onscreen, but she wasn't there as much as the first one. Casey Jones being a cop broke my heart and Amell wasn't that good anyways, but I feel like they got SOME things right. The Turtles were the focus of the story, they got the personalities right (mostly - Leo was a bit too much of a dick), and the Turtles confronting their alienation from the city they protect was poignant. There was some good stuff to build on for a third movie, especially if they brought a legit Shredder back into the fold.

I feel like most of us would like to see them just scrap the last two and move forward with a fresh start, though.

[TigerClaw]

I'm not familiar with this writer or the movie he worked on. Here's hoping he turns in a quality screenplay.

and I hope they bring back Bebop and Rocksteady. They were great in OOTS.

[AquaParade]

This gives absolutely no indication of how this movie will turn out, but for anyone, like me, who is fascinated with following the development of TMNT movies, maybe you'd like to see an interview with the writer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJ5dRudfkw

[TigerClaw]

This gives absolutely no indication of how this movie will turn out, but for anyone, like me, who is fascinated with following the development of TMNT movies, maybe you'd like to see an interview with the writer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJ5dRudfkw
For the next couple of weeks and months. Its gonna be interesting to find out who they get as the director. And if Megan Fox, Stephen Amell, and Will Arnett will reprise there roles.

OOTS ends with Shredder being frozen. and Krang and the Technodrome being sucked back into Dimension X. So who knows where they will take a 3rd film.

[newhire13]

It’s a reboot so not likely that even the turtle actors will be back.

[TigerClaw]

It’s a reboot so not likely that even the turtle actors will be back.
Maybe a soft reboot. I don't want them doing another origin story. Those characters can just be recast if anything.

[neatoman]

And further more, guess what other movie PD is making right now? A live-action adaptation of Dora the Explorer. That's right, the studio that mainly makes movies about how people have to go on a murder spree once a year for psychological health, is making a movie based Spanish education for toddlers. It's going to be written by Nicholas Stoller, who also wrote


Fun with Dick and Jane
Gulliver's Travels
Sex Tape
Zoolander 2


Which makes me even more convinced that the upcoming TMNT movie is being made as part of some kind accounting scheme. At the least the Purge movies have an audience, this is just bizarre.



To be fair, though, I enjoyed Out of the Shadows.

YdGxkGk4taw

[newhire13]

Maybe a soft reboot. I don't want them doing another origin story. Those characters can just be recast if anything.

They’re saying it’s a straight up reboot.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-reboot-in-the-works-at-paramount-from-bad-words-scribe-a161532

[TigerClaw]

And further more, guess what other movie PD is making right now? A live-action adaptation of Dora the Explorer. That's right, the studio that mainly makes movies about how people have to go on a murder spree once a year for psychological health, is making a movie based Spanish education for toddlers. It's going to be written by Nicholas Stoller, who also wrote


Fun with Dick and Jane
Gulliver's Travels
Sex Tape
Zoolander 2


Which makes me even more convinced that the upcoming TMNT movie is being made as part of some kind accounting scheme. At the least the Purge movies have an audience, this is just bizarre.



YdGxkGk4taw
I think the studio is trying to change its image. All they done were horror movies.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I am Ok with this.

I'm surprised that this is apparently a reboot, I was expecting tmnt 3.

[neatoman]

I am Ok with this.

I'm surprised that this is apparently a reboot, I was expecting tmnt 3.

Nobody wants a third installment.

[IndigoErth]

It’s a reboot so not likely that even the turtle actors will be back.
Which is a shame as those four were kind of the best part of the whole thing. They were a great match up for the Turtles. Imo. I'd be very glad to see them reprise their roles. And if not that, I'd be happy to see Pete come back and voice Leo in a series or something someday; he had such a great voice for him once he finally got the chance.



If this one is still connected to the last two, honestly... my advice, just jump ahead in time, leave the previous stuff behind, and make a whole new stand alone story rather than rebooting all over again, once again twisting up the same old story in an effort to try to be different. As much as I love the origin story, it gets tiresome to reboot over and over. But I also don't want to keep twisting it just to try to force it to be new. Instead, let them be a little older and grab that new ground, post Shredder, etc. Make it good enough that people actually want sequels (right, that'll be a good trick...), THEN down the road revisit Krang, make him a REAL threat that actually does some kind of harm to the city/country/world for the duration of the film, and unfreeze Shredder...either using him then or unfreeze at the end and save him for a following one. (Okay that makes it no longer post Shredder, but it's at least a Shredder hiatus to let the Turtles break away from the last two films and be better.)


Yes, I'd be okay with it being a 3rd, IF it does a total about-face in terms of writing and storytelling. (And for christ sake, recast the major humans.)

[Autbot_Benz]

might as well cast pornstar April O Niel to play April at this point she was more convincing as April in her TMNT porn parody than Fox was in both the bay turtle movies

[IndigoErth]

:lol: That is truly sad if someone who didn't really have to try did better than someone who SHOULD have tried pretty hard.

[Autbot_Benz]

:lol: That is truly sad if someone who didn't really have to try did better than someone who SHOULD have tried pretty hard.

the fact she took that stage name as an homage to the Character from TMNT proves she cares more than fox did.

[Powder]

Bay, Form, & Fuller, again?

Someone at Paramount needs to be fed to wild hogs.

HAVE YOU PEOPLE LEARNED NOTHING?

DO YOU NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE?

I am sickened to my core.

I hope you're all excited to get spoon-fed another hot pile of steaming bile.

[Xiewin]

Oh my goodness.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe at least this early nothing is set in stone yet and there's still plenty of time for someone to lurk around sites like this and take some notes... Or so I wish.

[newfan]

Maybe at least this early nothing is set in stone yet and there's still plenty of time for someone to lurk around sites like this and take some notes... Or so I wish.

Well, I suppose if they wanted to do more of the same they would just do PD3 so there's that.... but strange to announce a full reboot and keep the same people.....(who aren't popular with the franchise)

I wonder how many pages this thread will have when I get up tomorrow :)

[Coola Yagami]

TMNT 3 Eric's Rise to Power.

Let's do this!

[Vicky82]

Well, I suppose if they wanted to do more of the same they would just do PD3 so there's that.... but strange to announce a full reboot and keep the same people.....(who aren't popular with the franchise)

I wonder how many pages this thread will have when I get up tomorrow :)

Probably about 50 pages, most of them will be pictures of Andrews plants :lol:

I'm just thinking how long it will take for TrickOrTreater to return :lol:, he hasn't been here since 2016 and all he did was bash the 2 movies and Michael Bay.

[TurtleTitan97]

TMNT 3 Eric's Rise to Power.

Let's do this!


More like TMNT: Dead On Arrival

[Autbot_Benz]

Probably about 50 pages, most of them will be pictures of Andrews plants :lol:

I'm just thinking how long it will take for TrickOrTreater to return :lol:, he hasn't been here since 2016 and all he did was bash the 2 movies and Michael Bay.

oh ya I forgot about our resident troll tickortreater you are right he should come back when more info comes ouyt

[AquaParade]

Andrew Form, one of the producers, gave an interview post-OOTS. Here's one frightening quote and one promising quote -

ANDREW FORM: "We were obviously surprised at the box office results. We loved the movie. We loved making the movie. From our first Super Bowl teaser to everything we launched, we felt so good about our material, and for some reason it did not find the audience that the first movie found. And we talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t. It’s just one of those things where we feel like we made a really great movie; we thought at the time that our release date was great, and we added all these new characters with Bebop and Rocksteady and Baxter Stockwell had a big role in the movie and Casey Jones and for some reason when it came to opening weekend…Even before the movie came out, we were feeling great. And you wake up two days before the movie opens and you go, “Wow, I don’t know if this movie is tracking as well as it should.” Then you hope, and then Thursday night happens and your midnights come in and you’re like, “That’s not what Movie 1 did,” and then sure enough your weekend comes and it’s nowhere near what anyone thought, and it’s nowhere near Movie 1, and, before you know it, it’s over. We’re still so proud of the movie; it just didn’t find an audience. We really don’t know why."

Yikes....but, this made me feel ...a tad better:

FORM: "I think one thing we did learn is you really need to give—you can’t just add characters to a movie and expect that to be what’s fresh. It’s a sequel. You have to give the audience something that’s really new and fresh. Maybe just adding characters from the canon, that wasn’t enough"


Overall, they really don't seem to get the franchise, or what makes it special, whatsoever. Yet, as we all know, money talks. The sequel underperformed. They can't repeat the same mistakes they made last time. Whatever we get, it should be quite different.

[TigerClaw]

There is someone new running Platinum Dunes that's now in charge. This is from that Hollywood Reporter article.
However, both were made before the arrival of chairman Jim Gianopulos, who has made it a priority to clean up the studio’s slate and refocus its franchises. Insiders are hoping to bring a patina of quality as they relaunch the franchise.

[Leolead]

Is this a reboot?

[TigerClaw]

Is this a reboot?
Possibly who knows. What I don't want is them redoing the origin again. Just do a soft reboot.

[TurtleTitan97]

Possibly who knows. What I don't want is them redoing the origin again. Just do a soft reboot.

You do realize the chances of that happening are very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY low, yes?

[TigerClaw]

You do realize the chances of that happening are very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY low, yes?
a Soft Reboot. which they tell the origin during the opening credits.

I want something like how they did the origin of the Hulk in the opening credits of Marvel's Incredible Hulk movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

I know what a soft reboot is, genius. :roll:

[IndigoErth]

ANDREW FORM: "We were obviously surprised at the box office results. We loved the movie. We loved making the movie. From our first Super Bowl teaser to everything we launched, we felt so good about our material, and for some reason it did not find the audience that the first movie found. And we talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t.
That anyone can be so blind and confused sounds absurd.

Let me make it simple: You guys disappointed with the the first. Enough that people expected more of the same and didn't bother with the second.

You know, the "once bitten" principal. It's like expecting a second date if the first one didn't really go all that well.

You'd have to pay absolutely ZERO attention to what people were saying about the first to be that confused after the second. Making money doesn't mean people thought it was fantastic... It just means people put their hope in it. By the second, the hope was gone. (Which is a shame as it did at least improve in certain aspects, if not enough of them.) The failure of the sequel says more about the first than about itself.



P.S. Feel free however to bring Steve Jablonsky back.

[NinjaPug]

There is someone new running Platinum Dunes that's now in charge. This is from that Hollywood Reporter article.

He doesn't work for Platinum Dunes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Platinum Dunes is a cinematic travesty on par with Justice League and Fant4stic.

They didn't just fail; they didn't just make bad CBMs... they went beyond failing and TRIUMPHED at making the most epic shitastic fvckfest that ever assaulted a disappointed fan's eyes.

They deserve to be crucified* in the media and hung out to dry, for all to scorn and mock. They deserve to have their names memorialized, along with Zach Snyder, Joss Whedon, Avi Arad, Marc Webb, and Josh Trank, and used as classic epitomes of bad examples in comic book movie adaptations and cinema.

They turned failure into an art form; a gross, disgusting art form, and completely shot their own d!cks off when they could have instead succeeded and launched successful cinematic universes to rival (but not surpass) the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The only worse adaptations I can think of are made by Uwe Boll, and THAT guy's been running a cinematic tax scam for a couple of decades now.

I could go on, but I'll let Andrew take it from here.

* IE, metaphorically, not literally

[IndigoErth]

Does Viacom have no other film company they can hand it to? :ohwell:

[DevilSpooky]

Well as with everything I'll just wait and see, I mean, it can't be worst then Rise of the TMNT now can it? Right? :tconfuse:

Would love to have the same guys from the previous 2 playing the Turtles though, they're where really good.

[TigerClaw]

As to what they can do for a 3rd movie. I think they should do the Purple Dragons as the bad guys. and have Hun being involved?

And have Bebop and Rocksteady show up.

[Candy Kappa]

Third time's the charm.... right?

Barf

[AquaParade]

As much as I love Mirage, I think the obvious thing to do is adapt the first year or two of the IDW book. There's a great foundation there. It's a fresh take, but true to the characters and the time hopping is a great cinematic hook.

[Galactus]

I have to admit I'm shocked by this. I thought for sure that after the last movie flopped so hard it would be a long time before they'd chance another TMNT movie and grudgingly I thought that was for the best. Let the bad feelings about the previous movie series fade away.

I'd personally take a new TMNT movie whenever but they are letting Platinum Dunes do this again? I'm sorry but **** that ****. What is wrong with Paramount that after screwing up so badly last time they'd give the same people another shot?

I don't want to be mean. It's not like Platinum Dunes set out to make bad movies I'm sure they had good intentions but they're a small production company that mainly did horror remakes. Giving them what was supposed to be a blockbuster franchise they were out of their depth.

I'll even go as far as to say they gave it a good try, some of the pieces were there but I just don't think they were cut out to make the jump from low scale horror movies to tent pole comic book movies. Why would they even want to do TMNT again?

It's possible they are actually going with a more grounded TMNT movie akin to their horror remakes instead of big scale action they tried with their previous turtles efforts which would not a bad direction for Ninja Turtles but frankly I doubt Paramount is going to be at all interested in that.

It's at least worth acknowledging that these are the same producers as before. They seem willing to shift direction when something doesn't pan out.

I saw a Post-Out of the Shadows interview where they stated they thought they had the right ingredients (yikes), but that the audience wasn't there to support it. So they at least know they screwed up. If we are lucky, they'll once again pivot, perhaps accidentally, into something that's actually good.

Again I would say the people at Platinum Dunes are not villains. They did not deliberately set out to alienate fans or go against what the general audience wanted with a TMNT movie.

They did listen to feedback but I'm not sure they ever really understood it. Like they eventually relented to fan pressure and gave us a Japanese Shredder which on the one had was great but while taking one of the few prominent Asian characters in pop culture and changing him to a white guy was bad in itself it wasn't really the reason fans were pissed, it's because we wanted the Yoshi/Saki backstory - the character doesn't really work without it.

In the strictest terms they gave us what we wanted they just neglected the reasons why we wanted it.

Out Of The Shadows is an entire movies worth of examples of listening to feedback about the 2014 movie and learning the absolute wrong lessons from the it. Somethings are pretty understandable - a very vocal contingent has long forwarded the narrative that the Fred Wolf Show should be the primary basis and that TMNT is an inherently stupid concept so they should lean in to the stupid so I hope lesson learned on that score but I'm not sure.

By their own admission they don't know what went wrong and even with the best of intentions I don't have faith they can learn.


Possibly who knows. What I don't want is them redoing the origin again. Just do a soft reboot.

Nope. Sorry it has to be a complete reboot. The last series has been written off a complete failure that no one should want to continue it. Even among its defenders no one likes the previous Platinum Dunes movies enough to carry anything over from them.

Also I'm sorry but any reboot is going to have to do the origin again. This is where we need to consider the general audience who are aware of TMNT but don't know much about it.

These people need to know who these characters are, how and why these characters do what they do.

The shorthand method of characterization and motivation used in the previous Platinum Dunes movies only work if you already know these characters well and even then not all the time. Take how screwed up Shredder working for Kra(a)ng seemed in Out Of The Shadows even to fans who are aware the characters worked together in the 80s show where they had a reason to do so.

[Chris]

Yeah. If we're skipping the origin completely or covering it quickly I'd love them to go Mirage inspired. If they want a full origin movie then go with IDW, it's something that hasn't been done and gives an interesting new angle on the Shredder rivalry. For a total reboot, going with an IDW origin movie is probably best. Remember we're still likely looking at 2020 at earliest for this, so that puts us 4 years away from OOTS and 6 years way from the poor excuse for an origin they tried in 2014.

[Roseangelo]

Nope thank you.

[IndigoErth]

...they a small production company that mainly did horror remakes. ...but I just don't think they were cut out to make the jump from low scale horror movies to tent pole comic book movies.
Maybe they aught to stick to what they know then.

If they must do TMNT then perhaps take them into what they know and do something that has been mentioned in this forum in the past... Do a TMNT horror with the Rat King. (I suppose aliens could also work.)

If they want something "that hasn't been done before," but with characters they can pull from the franchise... well there you go. The Turtles in a horror could be weird enough to draw an audience.


Then let another company handle the action packed comic book film series.

[Papenbrook]

Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?

Why does it always have to be white men?

[bwwd]

yPlease leave out feminist agenda to something else somewhere else :lol:
Anyways i think they should not continue with these turtles designs, ideally i would get guys in suits again and make it dark like first movie but even darker.
Kinda very accurate to mirage but im a bit of fedup with NEW tmnt movies and cartoons( and i can watch first TMNT movie every day , its great), theres a bit too much of that stuff and too much of it is remixed to appeal to todays generation of kids, i dont know if old movies were made with "oh we need to do it this way to make kids like our film", they just went with it and did not care how hip its gonna be for 90s.
On the other hand terminator 2 was coming out and it was something new and exciting but now after so many terminators... its a bit different and people are fedup a bit.Theres no element of surprise.So many incarnations and versions of the same thing, it puts people off a bit seeing different redesigns.
WOW i just saw how OOTS film flopped, major fail, you would expect they learned their lesson... no they didnt.I hope 3rd one with the same design fails even more.
Im super glad people did not went to see it and thats basically only thing they could do to boycott something they dont like... its like they dont see most obvious issue with these
new turtles... their look.You just cant do that when entire world has set expectatiions about something/someone looking certain way.Its like making rocky by castting anybody else than stallone.They went too far off.

[Leo656]

Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?

Why does it always have to be white men?

Supposition Answer: Perhaps there aren't enough qualified women/people of color?

I'm not in the boardrooms, so I don't know.

Factual Answer: Because Affirmative Action is racism and nobody should be given a job just to fill a quota.

[Leolead]

As much as I love Mirage, I think the obvious thing to do is adapt the first year or two of the IDW book. There's a great foundation there. It's a fresh take, but true to the characters and the time hopping is a great cinematic hook.
I don't care for the reincarnation angle to be honest.

And you guys realize Platinum Dunes just made Quiet Place, right? I think they're trying to turn the stigma against them on it's head. They're trying to be better. Hopefully this reboot and the Dora movie will work out well for them.

[Xiewin]

Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?

Why does it always have to be white men?

What does this have to do with anything? Who cares what their skin color is.

[Leolead]

Supposition Answer: Perhaps there aren't enough qualified women/people of color?

I'm not in the boardrooms, so I don't know.

Factual Answer: Because Affirmative Action is racism and nobody should be given a job just to fill a quota.

Umm, I'm pretty sure there are dozens of women and people of color who are qualified to write and direct these films, dude. That was a pretty random thing for that guy to bring up but what he's saying is wrong with PD is a problem within the Hollywood industry as a whole. It's not just relegated to them.

Affirmative action isn't racist. It's about giving people who are economically disadvantaged equal opportunity as other more fortunate groups.

[sdp]

I hope it's a third movie based on the 2014 reboot, it's too early for ANOTHER reboot, especially with one having the same people involved. With the 2014 universe we already have mutants and dimension hopping established, they can go full crazy with this third movie.

Having a reboot so soon that will likely not be that good is only going to hurt the franchise, at least a sequel to the 2014 movie will only taint that already tainted series.

[Leo656]

Umm, I'm pretty sure there are dozens of women and people of color who are qualified to write and direct these films, dude. That was a pretty random thing for that guy to bring up but what he's saying is wrong with PD is a problem within the Hollywood industry as a whole. It's not just relegated to them.

Affirmative action isn't racist. It's about giving people who are economically disadvantaged equal opportunity as other more fortunate groups.

If they are qualified, then why aren't they writing/directing the TMNT movie(s)? Could be they're not collectively applying their talents in that direction, for all you or I know.

Anyways, neither you nor I make the decision as to who is "qualified". They can have qualifications out the ass, if they're not hired by someone else to do the job then it ultimately doesn't make any difference.

And being over a certain age, I refuse to believe that everything can be boiled down to "Straight White Male Conspiracy".

Affirmative Action IS racist because it ultimately says if you only have 5 job openings, then at least 2 of them have to be filled by women or people of color because otherwise "It isn't fair", even if those people did poorly on their interview, had a spotty resume, whatever. They showed up, therefore, they "earned" a spot. By definition it creates separate sets of "rules" and standards based on gender and/or skin color. Things should never, EVER work that way.

Don't misread me, son. If women or people of color are genuinely qualified they deserve to get whatever jobs they apply for in any and every industry - individually, and based on MERIT. Not collectively, "because the numbers aren't even."

We've already seen undeniable progress in recent years with regards to which people are rising to positions of power within the entertainment industry, and we're seeing more of it every day. So it stands to reason there's no "conspiracy"; if more women and people of color aren't being tasked with writing or directing TMNT movies, it's either because A: They're not pushing for those jobs, or B: Someone decided that someone else was more qualified. It really can be that simple.

[AquaParade]

If they are qualified, then why aren't they writing/directing the TMNT movie(s)? Could be they're not collectively applying their talents in that direction, for all you or I know.

Anyways, neither you nor I make the decision as to who is "qualified". They can have qualifications out the ass, if they're not hired by someone else to do the job then it ultimately doesn't make any difference.

And being over a certain age, I refuse to believe that everything can be boiled down to "Straight White Male Conspiracy".

Affirmative Action IS racist because it ultimately says if you only have 5 job openings, then at least 2 of them have to be filled by women or people of color because otherwise "It isn't fair", even if those people did poorly on their interview, had a spotty resume, whatever. They showed up, therefore, they "earned" a spot. By definition it creates separate sets of "rules" and standards based on gender and/or skin color. Things should never, EVER work that way.

Don't misread me, son. If women or people of color are genuinely qualified they deserve to get whatever jobs they apply for in any and every industry - individually, and based on MERIT. Not collectively, "because the numbers aren't even."

We've already seen undeniable progress in recent years with regards to which people are rising to positions of power within the entertainment industry, and we're seeing more of it every day. So it stands to reason there's no "conspiracy"; if more women and people of color aren't being tasked with writing or directing TMNT movies, it's either because A: They're not pushing for those jobs, or B: Someone decided that someone else was more qualified. It really can be that simple.

I would love to see you talk some sense into the resetera forum. Probably not worth your time or blood pressure, but it’s a hive mind and you construct your thoughts well, so it’d be cathartic for me.

Anyways, I wonder if it’s a bit of a snowball effect. If people in the past have been overlooked because they weren’t a white male (something I’m really not equipped to attest to either way), it could lead to less jobs in that field being chased by said minorities. Like I said, it’s not a call I can make, so I’m just pontificating.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?

Why does it always have to be white men?

Because Paramount is behind a conspiracy to make Women submissive housewives who will pump babies all the time.

[Leo656]

I'm generally all for keeping the chickens at home barefoot and pregnant - and for the love of God, off of the goddamn roads where people try and drive - but I think the world is already full of stupid people and we don't need too many more. So I'm gonna call Ixnay on them pumping out large numbers of festering hellspawn.

Maybe Paramount can pay them to sit at home and weave. Lord knows there's an all-time low in the number of people who can successfully work a loom. Maybe it's a racist, sexist conspiracy.

[Redeemer]

Can we just get Steve Barron as director and use Matais and Dan Duncan for character design and have Tom Waltz write it with Matais also helping with the writing as well???? Get a true TMNT comic book movie.

[ranger_scout]

Platinum Dunes is still involved but not sure if this new movie is connected to the two previous abominations.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/new-ninja-turtles-movie-works-1121467?__twitter_impression=true

When I heard that a new film was happening I was expecting it to go the route that Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy went, which is to make a gritter take on a comic-book property and avoid the humorous and brighter tone of the 1960's Batman TV series that Batman Forever and Batman & Robin had. I just didn't think that Paramount would want to make another film inspired by the 1987 animated series.

However, after reading that a screenwriter for a comedy film is penning the script for this new one and that Michael Bay and Platinum Dunes were still involved I was wrong. I just don't want them to go full-overblown on toilet humor.

[Technogeek29]

Oh my god, why? I thought we were done! This raises so many questions.

You wanna make another TMNT movie? Fine! But why go with the producers again? Nobody liked the first two and the second didn't even break even, why entrust the same producers a third time? Is this a Fant4stic scenario or some crap? Do they have to make a TMNT movie every 5 years or something? That's the only way I can make sense of this, that or some kind of tax write-off.

The only good(?) news is that the hired a brand new script writer. While he really only has one movie under his belt, at lest it seemed somewhat well received (I guess I'll check it out once I know for whter or not this movie gets made. The weird thing is that he's making Space Jam 2. What's with this guy and writing sequels nobpdy asked for? Anyway, he can't be much worse than the previous writers.

Josh Appelbaum and André Nemec were awful at writing TMNT, the former wrote one single movie before TMNT and the other was basically only involved with television before. Evan Daugherty wasn't much better, though I suspect he or Jonathan Liebesman might have been the reason the first one didn't suck quite as hard. He's not good but Jonathan Liebesman is at least far more experienced than Dave Green, so that might just be it. Not that I want either back in the director's chair.

In terms of writer and director... I don't know... There might not be many critically acclaimed directors who'd want to make TMNT movies, but there's gotta be someone with a track record of OK movies, right? Like a Ron Howard. And maybe you need an experienced screen writer as well (though the previous ones barely qualified) but if they insisted on multiple writers before, why not bring someone familiar with the material. Bring in Tom Waltz or Paul Allor or someone, I have no idea how they're as screen writers but at least then I'd be confident the characters wouldn't annoy me as much.

Do not tempt the god of Fate.

[Galactus]

Maybe they aught to stick to what they know then.

If they must do TMNT then perhaps take them into what they know and do something that has been mentioned in this forum in the past... Do a TMNT horror with the Rat King. (I suppose aliens could also work.)

If they want something "that hasn't been done before," but with characters they can pull from the franchise... well there you go. The Turtles in a horror could be weird enough to draw an audience.


Then let another company handle the action packed comic book film series.

Sure but if you were in their place a small company looking to branch out and a major studio like Paramount hands you a major franchise like TMNT would you say no?

It's actually baffling that Paramount gave them something they wanted to be as big as Iron Man to a company like Platinum Dunes. I suspect they saw what Bay did for Transformers and while there was no amount of money that would get Bay to direct another 80s nostalgia property they thought getting a company that Bay owns part of to produce was probably the next best thing.

I still think it's strange they'd go again with Platinum Dunes given how badly the last movie did and that they'd even want to. They're still a small company and had to turn down other projects to devote time to TMNT that you'd think they'd be wary of tackling it again.

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread they are trying to better their image and scored a win with Quiet Place but that's a horror movie so plays in their wheel house. I'm not sure we need to go full on horror for TMNT but something more grounded and edgy wouldn't be a bad idea.

Kinda very accurate to mirage but im a bit of fedup with NEW tmnt movies and cartoons( and i can watch first TMNT movie every day , its great), theres a bit too much of that stuff and too much of it is remixed to appeal to todays generation of kids, i dont know if old movies were made with "oh we need to do it this way to make kids like our film", they just went with it and did not care how hip its gonna be for 90s

Of course 90s movies were made with 90s kids in mind. I doubt anyone working on Secret of the Ooze thought Vanilla Ice was going to have a long and respected music career.

Truth is we're not the demographic that is going to make a movie a hit in 2018, that doesn't mean they should do things to alienate us and reinvent things just for the sake of it but any studio is going to think what will work for young people now. Not what would have worked in the 80s and 90s.

I think that was one of the many problems with Out Of The Shadows. It was aimed at a much younger audience but based on a version of the franchise popular in the 80s.

Supposition Answer: Perhaps there aren't enough qualified women/people of color?

I'm not in the boardrooms, so I don't know.

Factual Answer: Because Affirmative Action is racism and nobody should be given a job just to fill a quota.

Are you saying that someone like Patty Jenkins could not have done a better Superman movie than Zack Snyder? It's not like she's be uninterested as she'd was interested in doing Thor: The Dark World and definitely would have made a better Thor sequel too.

Ryan Coogler could easily have done any solo Marvel movie whether he'd be interested is probably a different story but he totally could.

WB and Marvel Studios sought them out specifically to do the first female and black led super hero pictures with the sincere belief that they'd give those movies a genuine voice which is great but it's questionable why directors like them are only sought out for very specific movies.

How would a woman or poc do directing a TMNT movie? I don't know but I'm sure they couldn't do worse than Liebesman or Green.

I hope it's a third movie based on the 2014 reboot, it's too early for ANOTHER reboot, especially with one having the same people involved. With the 2014 universe we already have mutants and dimension hopping established, they can go full crazy with this third movie.

Having a reboot so soon that will likely not be that good is only going to hurt the franchise, at least a sequel to the 2014 movie will only taint that already tainted series.

At very least it will be a soft reboot. There's no way they are going to directly continue a story that flopped and hardly anyone watched.

After the failure of Out Of The Shadows would Paramount even put the kind of money to make PD TMNT 3? Then again it's still shocking they would even go with Platinum Dunes at all after last time so anything is possible but the Platinum Dunes guys already said a third sequel was not going to happen and floated a reboot so that is way more likely and make way more sense.

[ranger_scout]

A writer from The Hollywood Reporter is wondering if this time they will be going for a different tone for this upcoming movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/will-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-work-as-a-new-movie-1121979

[Galactus]

^^^

I hope so and the Hollywood Reporter makes some great points of both returning the franchise to its roots as well as eschewing the bigger and funnier approach to comic book movies might make it stand out after they already tried to be the Avengers with shells. (Not that I'm against a big scale TMNT movie the turtles work well in both grounded and big scale)

I will say that the parody aspect of TMNT has always been way overstated and to be honest the things it was sorta parodying aren't even that prominent in comic book related media anymore. Getting a comedy writer doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence that they learned the right lessons from the previous movie.

[Leo656]

Are you saying that someone like Patty Jenkins could not have done a better Superman movie than Zack Snyder? It's not like she's be uninterested as she'd was interested in doing Thor: The Dark World and definitely would have made a better Thor sequel too.


Tough call. Based on "Wonder Woman", I'm sure she'd have done a great rip-off of the Richard Donner film, but that's the last thing I'm interested in seeing at this point. She's still only done two movies, as far as I'm aware, so I'd have to see her diversify her portfolio a bit before I could say, "I want to see Patty Jenkins direct _______." I liked both "Wonder Woman" and "Monster", but that's all I've seen. Hardly makes her a catch-all fit for anything.

Haven't seen "Thor: The Dark World", so I have no opinion on it, or whether anyone could have done it better.

Point being, she's made two good movies, both of which were female-centric. She definitely knows how to make THAT movie, but all things are not equal. Whether or not she'd be a good fit for Batman, Terminator, or Ninja Turtles... we haven't seen enough to make that judgment yet.

It's not like there's such a thing as a universally Great Director who only makes Great Movies. I've seen as much crap as gold from James Cameron by this point, for example. Or Tim Burton, who is capable of magic from time to time but whose stuff is absolutely junk unless he's playing within his very specific interests.

You just never know how a movie is going to turn out until it's in front of your face. That's the rub.

[Papenbrook]

White male producers/executives/CEOs who have immense power/influence always seem to give special opportunities/propositions to white male directors/writers.

Like, they never even consider other possible individuals to fulfill these roles.

It's frustrating.

[TurtleTitan97]

Like, they never even consider other possible individuals to fulfill these roles.



Like who in particular?

[Wildcat]

This makes me happy. Not because I loved the last 2 but because we’re getting another movie and because people are probably gonna lose their minds again. There’s already 5 pages here. :lol:

It’s surprising but new writers, chairman and I assume director. I can’t help but give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially if it’s not a sequel to the others. Should be much better even if it’s not the greatest.

[Leolead]

Like who in particular?
Maybe they should cast a wider net? Patty Jenkins, Ava Duvernay, Kelly Fremon Craig etc a lot of great choices out there that would make an awesome TMNT film

[Leo656]

White male producers/executives/CEOs who have immense power/influence always seem to give special opportunities/propositions to white male directors/writers.

Like, they never even consider other possible individuals to fulfill these roles.

It's frustrating.

Like who in particular?

Yeah, really. Since you've obviously been in the rooms where these conversations are held and decisions are made, your insight on this should be spectacular.

Unless... you actually DON'T know, and are just talking to hear yourself.

Also, since you're clearly someone who has been able to infiltrate the highest levels of Hollywood bureaucracy, to the point where you know exactly what decisions they make, and why, I'd be interested in seeing your body of work.

And... go.

[TurtleTitan97]

Maybe they should cast a wider net? Patty Jenkins, Ava Duvernay, Kelly Fremon Craig etc a lot of great choices out there that would make an awesome TMNT film

Maybe. I just can't imagine any self respecting director wanting to work with Platinum Dunes. That's got to be like bottom of the barrel, or at least darn near close.

Plus it's not like any of them were lining up to take a crack at this property after the failure of the last two films.

[Redeemer]

White male producers/executives/CEOs who have immense power/influence always seem to give special opportunities/propositions to white male directors/writers.

Like, they never even consider other possible individuals to fulfill these roles.

It's frustrating.

Is it a little early to be pushing your agenda when we don't even know the cast or even director. We literally know nothing about this movie :lol:

[The Turtle Terminator]

I had hope when I read the headline this morning. That hope left as soon as I read "Michael Bay"

Goodbye character development, welcome back Megan Fox

[Luzmagica]

This makes me happy. Not because I loved the last 2 but because we’re getting another movie and because people are probably gonna lose their minds again. There’s already 5 pages here. :lol:

It’s surprising but new writers, chairman and I assume director. I can’t help but give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially if it’s not a sequel to the others. Should be much better even if it’s not the greatest.

Agree! :tlol::tlol::tlol: (even when i liked enough the 2 last ones ...i bought DVDs)
:)

[Andrew NDB]

My thoughts on this are only negative, bordering on...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/283/235/7e3.jpg

Until I see reason to believe otherwise, I see no reason to believe TPTB won't just once again try to find the best way to serve up the best slice of NuFred Wolf.

[Shark_Blade]

Heh you guys are fast. But yay another Platinum tmnt movie! :tlove:

http://collider.com/new-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie/

[D Piddy 1982]

If anyone is going to touch the TMNT for another live action movie they need to take into account the following.

First and foremost please make the story engaging and coherent. This is very important. This destroyed the 2 Bay films. Even if the Bay designs weren’t great, the films were destroyed by the poor story, script and decision to make the Turtles virtually invincible.

I may even have had a little more respect for Bay Turtles if they would have stuck to their guns and produced the movie they originally intended. Trying to do last minute re-shoots etc just confused things.

Another important area that needs to be acknowledged is that I believe there are a number of cornerstones that need to be considered and applied. Exactly what these are I’m not maybe not good enough or literate enough to explain fully (or think of good ones at this moment) but some of you with more brain power than me may be able to add or take away from the below points. But I believe at least some of the below points, plus some others that I probably haven’t thought of need to 100% be applied to the writing of the next film.

Some of these cornerstones might be:
> Brotherhood.
> Weakness (both physical and mental).
> Down time (but not just for the sake of it. 1990 got it perfect i.e. Mike and Donny waiting for the Pizza. Bay Turtles did it ‘just because’ and it didn’t feel natural because of it).
> Journey (journey taken throughout the film. Spiritual. Emotional. Etc).
> History/past life (very important. They need to establish early on what their roots are, Splinter’s history, any relationships with enemies etc).
> Tone. They need to decide what tone they are going for and stick with it. Serious? Comedy? Kids? Adult themes? (I realise 'tone' isn't really a TMNT cornerstone...but had to add it in here somewhere)



Something that gives me the slightest glimmer of hope is that the new Bumblebee trailer at least shows they are turning more towards the G1 style and dropping the crappy Bay TF designs. If only…IF ONLY…they would have just listened to the TF fans at the start and did G1 style from the beginning…

With this in mind maybe they might also be reconsidering the Turtle designs...

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I am really at a loss of words right now. I really am! I want to know what is going through Viacom/Paramount/whoever's minds right now to get the same people who's last TMNT bombed to do another one. There's plenty of other brilliant people out there to give audiences a solid movie. Are they really this tone deaf, this paranoid, this desperate, and this idiotic to get these people and their company back to do another movie?

"Yeah let's get the people who failed us last time another chance! I'm sure they'll do better this time!":P:P:P

Good God! What are they thinking?! It doesn't ****ing matter if they get a new writer. Bay and co. are still on board and will still use the same tactics they did for the last two films for this one. I pray it's not a continuation of the last two films but even a reboot by these guys still bothers me. They only see profit for this franchise and not for it's potential.

Please for the love that is all good, cancel this before it happens!

Heh you guys are fast. But nooooooo another Platinum tmnt movie! :x

http://collider.com/new-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie/

Fixed it for ya!;)

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Platinum Dunes is a cinematic travesty on par with Justice League and Fant4stic.

They didn't just fail; they didn't just make bad CBMs... they went beyond failing and TRIUMPHED at making the most epic shitastic fvckfest that ever assaulted a disappointed fan's eyes.

Justice League and both PD TMNT films are Oscar worthy compared to that other travesty you mentioned.

I'd watch two more Bay Turtle sequels over another Fant4stic being made. Thankfully that's not an issue as the First Family will be done right for their next film.

The only worse adaptations I can think of are made by Uwe Boll, and THAT guy's been running a cinematic tax scam for a couple of decades now.

Funny enough, once I read about Uwe Boll and how he wound up doing all those game adaptations, I actually have respect for the guy. He's not a good film maker, but he does love movies and loves making movies. The absolute bargain bin price of getting video game movie rights at the time combined with that being all he could get financing for is the only reason he kept doing those.

I recently went on a bad video game movie binge and his Far Cry adaptation is actually fun B movie cheese. The actors aren't phoning it in, but not taking it too seriously and as a director, Boll seems okay with it being cheesy. :lol:

Postal was okay in the same vein. It just accepted ridiculousness and over the top stupidity and ran with it.

I need to see if RiffTrax has done the full Boll Collection.

[Krutch]

However, after reading that a screenwriter for a comedy film is penning the script for this new one and that Michael Bay and Platinum Dunes were still involved I was wrong. I just don't want them to go full-overblown on toilet humor.

Getting a comedy writer doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence that they learned the right lessons from the previous movie.For those who haven't seen Bad Words, just letting you know that while it is certainly a comedy, it definitely leans heavily towards drama. It was a solid script that did some fun, unconventional things (such as the setting and keeping us in the dark about what the protagonist's motive was until well over an hour into the script.) I didn't love the movie, but I remember it well - which is more than I can say about most.

White male producers/executives/CEOs who have immense power/influence always seem to give special opportunities/propositions to white male directors/writers.

Like, they never even consider other possible individuals to fulfill these roles.

It's frustrating.I think you're just trolling at this point. You've been offered countless explainations why things are the way they are and how things are actually changing fast (but not overnight) and your comments are still bare boned and don't acknowledge anything that's been presented to you.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I was expecting tmnt 3.

We've been prepared for not expecting a third film since late-October 2016. http://comicbook.com/2016/10/30/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-3-wont-happen-says-out-of-the-shado/

[Krutch]

As far as my expectations for this movie goes... I don't know. Way too early to tell but if I had to guess, they'll push more into a kiddie direction than trying to adapt anything that's come before it.

Take Rise of the TMNT for example. Familiar, but different, and not trying to be a retread of anything else.

That's what my instincts tell me anyway. I hope I'm wrong, but hey, if not - oh well. I know it's divisive, but for me, Turtles Forever was TMNT's swan song. It felt like a nice end of an era for me. Ever since, I let go of getting all up in arms about little details like having three toes or nostrils or learning ninjitsu from a book. I hope for the best, but when it goes in the opposite direction, I just kinda shrug and go "oh well."

[newfan]

As far as my expectations for this movie goes... I don't know. Way too early to tell but if I had to guess, they'll push more into a kiddie direction than trying to adapt anything that's come before it.

Take Rise of the TMNT for example. Familiar, but different, and not trying to be a retread of anything else.

That's what my instincts tell me anyway. I hope I'm wrong, but hey, if not - oh well. I know it's divisive, but for me, Turtles Forever was TMNT's swan song. It felt like a nice end of an era for me. Ever since, I let go of getting all up in arms about little details like having three toes or nostrils or learning ninjitsu from a book. I hope for the best, but when it goes in the opposite direction, I just kinda shrug and go "oh well."

Possible. I was thinking that maybe in light of Rise being 'younger' they decided to do something else not that was not so young, or that is what I had been hoping for before this announcement.....but you could be right, hopefully it isn't going to be less than a PG13 . :lol: I can't see that though.

[plastroncafe]

As far as my expectations for this movie goes... I don't know. Way too early to tell but if I had to guess, they'll push more into a kiddie direction than trying to adapt anything that's come before it.

Take Rise of the TMNT for example. Familiar, but different, and not trying to be a retread of anything else.

That's what my instincts tell me anyway. I hope I'm wrong, but hey, if not - oh well. I know it's divisive, but for me, Turtles Forever was TMNT's swan song. It felt like a nice end of an era for me. Ever since, I let go of getting all up in arms about little details like having three toes or nostrils or learning ninjitsu from a book. I hope for the best, but when it goes in the opposite direction, I just kinda shrug and go "oh well."

This.

I think the only thing I'm really Holding Out for her maybe some triceratons.

[IndigoErth]

For those who haven't seen Bad Words, just letting you know that while it is certainly a comedy, it definitely leans heavily towards drama. It was a solid script that did some fun, unconventional things (such as the setting and keeping us in the dark about what the protagonist's motive was until well over an hour into the script.) I didn't love the movie, but I remember it well - which is more than I can say about most.
Adds a little hope. I saw that it doesn't really look like this guy has much work under his belt which causes me concern. Not that a newbie to an industry can't be talented, but I wish there was a little more to go on. If Bad Words was decent enough then I hope it leans more toward that and doesn't end up looking like Space Jam. PLEASE don't look like Space Jam. I want them to still feel real, not cartoons in the real world.


Someday I hope the Turtles can be deemed worthy of getting proven professionals with well established careers. No offense new writer guy... just understand there's a lot riding on this. Like the last director, surely trying to put out a good film means something to those with short resumes.


I wish these producers were not in on this again. Someone please keep them and their ideas/demands out of the way. If they mostly see it in terms of dollar signs, then just throw the necessary budget money at it, get people who know what they're doing and let them do their job... Hopefully if you keep out of their way it will come out okay and you'll get that money back that you want. Don't ruin or jinx it.


As of for now... I'm just kind of glad to have something to try to find a little hope in, or at least hope that there will be reason to gain said hope, to counter the amount of feeling a bit bummed out that some of Rise's choices have caused. But we shall see...


This.

I think the only thing I'm really Holding Out for her maybe some triceratons.
With the continuing dino wave from Jurassic everything... Alien dinos could garner some interest. Too bad such a thing isn't coming out now along with the newest Jurassic World.

[AlessandraDC]

I would love to see a female writer/director for a TMNT movie!

[TheBlueTurtle1]

They won't do it, but I would love to see them make the first comic, with all the gritty, dark tones, and traditional high quality costumes, using very little to no CGI.

I guess instead you will see grotesque unlikeable turtles.

[Coola Yagami]

I just realized Viacom is Shredder and Krang, and PD films are Bebop and Rocksteady. No matter how many times they fail, they keep giving them chances instead of firing them or replacing them permanently.

[newfan]

I would take CGI (not way overboard with the designs though) or if they did use suits, touched up with CGI as some have said.

[Sabacooza]

I would love to see a female writer/director for a TMNT movie!How about someone that's right for the job based on talent rather than sex.

[neatoman]

I just realized Viacom is Shredder and Krang, and PD films are Bebop and Rocksteady. No matter how many times they fail, they keep giving them chances instead of firing them or replacing them permanently.

Pretty good analogy. I guess that makes IDW Karai and Hun.

[IndigoErth]

Need at least a couple total Turtle nerds involved in some way with the power to put their foot down if some dumb idea triggers a "hell no" red flag.


I just realized Viacom is Shredder and Krang, and PD films are Bebop and Rocksteady. No matter how many times they fail, they keep giving them chances instead of firing them or replacing them permanently.
lol And Bay himself, as I figured a while ago, is the embodiment of Erick Sacks. Bleed them dry "even if it kills them" and is mostly focused on getting "stupid rich" off of them. Yep.

[AquaParade]

Can you imagine if they took notice of the demand for the Henson turtles via Neca toy sales, the rabid fan reaction to the Injustice 2 dlc, 90's nostalgia, and actually brought back that continuity, replicated the old suits with modern suits/computer animation?

I imagine it would be something like Star Wars fans seeing Han Solo come back in that Force Awakens trailer.

[Krutch]

Can you imagine if they took notice of the demand for the Henson turtles via Neca toy sales, the rabid fan reaction to the Injustice 2 dlc, 90's nostalgia, and actually brought back that continuity, replicated the old suits with modern suits/computer animation?

I imagine it would be something like Star Wars fans seeing Han Solo come back in that Force Awakens trailer.
Don’t fill our heads with nonsense that will only break our hearts later :(

[Powder]

Can you imagine if they took notice of the demand for the Henson turtles via Neca toy sales, the rabid fan reaction to the Injustice 2 dlc, 90's nostalgia, and actually brought back that continuity, replicated the old suits with modern suits/computer animation?

I imagine it would be something like Star Wars fans seeing Han Solo come back in that Force Awakens trailer.

I've had that thought too, but it probably shouldn't happen. The right people would need to be involved, but clearly Paramount does not care about right people.

[AquaParade]

:tcry:Sorry. Sometimes it's nice just to get lost in the dream a bit

[AlessandraDC]

How about someone that's right for the job based on talent rather than sex.

Well of course it would have to be a qualified writer/director! I'm not suggesting letting anyone do it. But I would like to see a woman someday!

[IndigoErth]

That crossed my mind last night... Maybe they took note of the reaction to them showing up in Injustice 2.

Similar models, upping the realism a bit (but maybe varying their looks a little vs making them entirely identical), could work out okay.

[Redeemer]

How about someone that's right for the job based on talent rather than sex.

I agree. I just want a talented and competent director who respects the source material as well the fans as well. I don't care of the gender or race of the director.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I would love to see a female writer/director for a TMNT movie!

Do you also want female turtles?

[TurtleTitan97]

Do you also want female turtles?

What does that have to do with wanting a female director???

[plastroncafe]

Is THAT why we got Venus?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

So, which female director should direct?

[IndigoErth]

If one gets the gig, a good one.

Can't say I pay enough attention to directors to be able to name names.

Either way, preferably an actual fan rather than a pretend fan for the sake of PR.

[Krutch]

So would you prefer a competant female director for hire or a director who is a white, male, and fan of the property?

[Xav]

Way too early to tell but if I had to guess, they'll push more into a kiddie direction than trying to adapt anything that's come before it.They already tried going in a more kiddie direction with OOTS and it didn't pan out. Why would they do the same thing again?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They already tried going in a more kiddie direction with OOTS and it didn't pan out. Why would they do the same thing again?

They didn't go kiddie, they went Transformers. They're definitely going kiddie... ala Rise of the TMNT.

Sponge Bob. My Little Pony.

Fo sho. Brace yourselves.

[Leolead]

I don't see them ever going back to suits. There's really no reason to when Mocap has evolved to a point where it's so much easier and less expensive than building realistic Turtle suits.

If I had my way, i'd cast shorter actors who are actual martial artists for the Mocap Turtle actors and cast the voice actors separately. The Turtles shouldn't have human faces so you don't have to worry about implementing the actor's facial features into the renders.

I also wouldn't mind the Turtles looking more like, well, Turtles. Imagine this minus the clothing
http://i.imgur.com/0NXYaFO.jpg

[IndigoErth]

No thanks... Not in the party of wanting to make them more animalisic looking. Less endearing and not really who they've ever been. It's interesting as fan art, but they need to be able to be endeared to and connecting with the viewer, not passed off as "just talking animals" which tends to get stuck was being "a kids thing," and looking more animalistic is probably gonna do that. Would be treated more like creatures and prob end up with less depth if they aren't seen as people.

One of the things I did like about OotS... They treated them like people that time. The stars of their own film, rather then "creature" plot devices. I guess it's why Transformers has been so easy for them to create so many films... Alien robots can't be expected and don't need to be like us on the inside so they don't have to delve into that much. They shouldn't mistake the Turtles for being similar just because they aren't human. They're still people and much like us on the inside...


And honestly, I'm not sure I'd want them going back to suits out of not wanting it trying to compete with the original. If they used suits then maybe it aught to be a 4th in line of the originals. A total reboot in that style just might feel like another unnecessary remake in a way.

edit:
human faces
I gotta at least defend my boy... Straight on it's hard to tell, okay, I give it that, and the lips on all of them REALLY could have been kept to more of a minimum. That said though, Leo's profile is actually a bit similar his 2003 counterpart. Can't say much for the others, at least not Raph and Mikey (Donnie at least resembles Leo more), but Leo at least looks like they looked at some kind of reference. I don't know too many humans (actually none!) with a snouty face like that. lol

https://i.imgur.com/4JLCYbW.jpg

But I digress as it's prob not that version. Little sad to not get more of him (and his actor) to be honest, but I hope whatever they do next is decent.

So would you prefer a competant female director for hire or a director who is a white, male, and fan of the property?
What, a woman couldn't happen to be a fan?

We need someone good, period. If they're actually foolish enough to try this again then they've got no room to screw around.

[Candy Kappa]

Design-wise, I'd love to see a live action version of the 2012 designs ala OotS video game, but maybe with friendlier faces :P

[Krutch]

What, a woman couldn't happen to be a fan?
Of course - but that wasn't the question I was asking. I'm just curious where people draw the line.

[Sumac]

Why doesn't Paramount Pictures/ Platinum Dunes allow women (or people who aren't otherwise white men) to write/direct future TMNT films?

Why does it always have to be white men?
Your virtue signaling is hilarious.

I take someone who can direct a good movie over someone to just fill the stupid quota.

I would love to see you talk some sense into the resetera forum. Probably not worth your time or blood pressure, but it’s a hive mind and you construct your thoughts well, so it’d be cathartic for me.
REEEEEEEEera is a hive mind of hypocrite virtue signaling socially inept losers. Moderators are protecting "elite" group of users who can say whatever they want and everyone else should fall in line or be banned. It's dictatorship of losers.

[AquaParade]

Your virtue signaling is hilarious.

I take someone who can direct a good movie over someone to just fill the stupid quota.


REEEEEEEEera is a hive mind of hypocrite virtue signaling socially inept losers. Moderators are protecting "elite" group of users who can say whatever they want and everyone else should fall in line or be banned. It's dictatorship of losers.

Honestly, it's nice to hear that, despite it being a negative sentiment. The bias there is incredible. You really get the impression that the mod's have no idea what they're talking about, but are quite bullheaded.

[Leolead]

No thanks... Not in the party of wanting to make them more animalisic looking. Less endearing and not really who they've ever been. It's interesting as fan art, but they need to be able to be endeared to and connecting with the viewer, not passed off as "just talking animals" which tends to get stuck was being "a kids thing," and looking more animalistic is probably gonna do that. Would be treated more like creatures and prob end up with less depth if they aren't seen as people.

One of the things I did like about OotS... They treated them like people that time. The stars of their own film, rather then "creature" plot devices. I guess it's why Transformers has been so easy for them to create so many films... Alien robots can't be expected and don't need to be like us on the inside so they don't have to delve into that much. They shouldn't mistake the Turtles for being similar just because they aren't human. They're still people and much like us on the inside...


And honestly, I'm not sure I'd want them going back to suits out of not wanting it trying to compete with the original. If they used suits then maybe it aught to be a 4th in line of the originals. A total reboot in that style just might feel like another unnecessary remake in a way.

edit:

I gotta at least defend my boy... Straight on it's hard to tell, okay, I give it that, and the lips on all of them REALLY could have been kept to more of a minimum. That said though, Leo's profile is actually a bit similar his 2003 counterpart. Can't say much for the others, at least not Raph and Mikey (Donnie at least resembles Leo more), but Leo at least looks like they looked at some kind of reference. I don't know too many humans (actually none!) with a snouty face like that. lol

https://i.imgur.com/4JLCYbW.jpg

But I digress as it's prob not that version. Little sad to not get more of him (and his actor) to be honest, but I hope whatever they do next is decent.


What, a woman couldn't happen to be a fan?

We need someone good, period. If they're actually foolish enough to try this again then they've got no room to screw around.
I'm only imagining a more realistic design in movie with a much more serious tone ala Mirage or IDW. I don't mean for them to look like actual Turtles but idk have more Turtle-esque features like compound eyes and more noticeable beaks. Tbh, I don't think it would be that hard for the audience to sympathize with more realistic Turtles. As long as their faces still emote. A face like this would be cute to most people
https://i.imgur.com/4u00LyFl.jpg

Leo had the most traditional TMNT face in the 2014-2016 film so it's not really surprising

[Leolead]

Design-wise, I'd love to see a live action version of the 3912 designs ala OotS video game, but maybe with friendlier faces :P
I'd be done for this as well. Maybe slim them down a bit, though.

[newfan]

Yeah Leo was the better of them IMO. I'm not sure I'd take the more real turtle like faces personally but we all vary in what we like so some probably would.

[sdp]

What if it's inspired by Rise?

Turtles have magical weapons.
Black April.
Raph is leader.

[Leolead]

What if it's inspired by Rise?

Turtles have magical weapons.
Black April.
Raph is leader.
Don't mind a black April cause she was pretty racially ambiguous in early Mirage.

No to the other two.

[sdp]

I won't mind black April if and only if the VA of Rise Kat Graham reprises the role. She already looks great in yellow!

http://cdn01.cdn.justjaredjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/kat-julie/kat-graham-yellow-dress-julie-plec-bonnie-leaving-02.jpg

[Leolead]

I won't mind black April if and only if the VA of Rise reprises the role. She already looks great in yellow!

http://cdn01.cdn.justjaredjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/kat-julie/kat-graham-yellow-dress-julie-plec-bonnie-leaving-02.jpg

She would be awesome. :D

[Papenbrook]

Your virtue signaling is hilarious.

I take someone who can direct a good movie over someone to just fill the stupid quota.

Okay, you know what. Fine.

How come it's not "pandering/filling a quota" when rich, well-known companies hire (primarily) white men for mainstream franchises/ movies? How come it's not "catering" when studios/businesses promote (mainly) white men to positions of power/influence?

I don't understand how you can't look past your own point of view.

Until you feel the constant sting of being passed over and discriminated against for your gender/race/sexuality/etc., you won't understand.

[Leo656]

Name names.

If you have concrete proof of these "injustices", then list both the victims and the perpetrators so that "justice" can be done.

To the specific point of the thread, it is now your job to provide concrete evidence that women/people of color have attempted to write and/or direct a TMNT movie, and were turned down for reasons that were NOT based on merit.

If you can name names and provide PROOF that these people were excluded based on race and/or gender, then I owe you one (1) cookie of your choice.

Otherwise, it's going to be very hard for me or anyone to take you seriously.

I'd ask you what kind of cookie you prefer, but let's be real... you're not going to complete the assignment.

Meanwhile, amidst all that teeth-gnashing, try not to chip one.

[IndigoErth]

What if it's inspired by Rise?

Turtles have magical weapons.

Raph is leader.
Bite your tongue! :trazz:

I prefer April as we typically know her, but I've never really had that much attachment to her so I can deal with the race change. Just not Megan Fox. And no one the equivalent of her. So if that girl is... then no, no thank you.



But this next one needs to make good on Judith Hoag's deleted OotS cameo and bring her back (if she wants to).

[AquaParade]

Okay, you know what. Fine.

How come it's not "pandering/filling a quota" when rich, well-known companies hire (primarily) white men for mainstream franchises/ movies? How come it's not "catering" when studios/businesses promote (mainly) white men to positions of power/influence?

I don't understand how you can't look past your own point of view.

Until you feel the constant sting of being passed over and discriminated against for your gender/race/sexuality/etc., you won't understand.

We can't kid ourselves. They are going to hire whoever will be the most profitable for them, at the end of the day. I know people are up in arms about women's rights, and that's great, but in my mind, the only thing these executives are truly discriminating against is their movie flopping.
Don't think that there is an eligible women out there that they won't hire, just because they think women are stinky and gross.

[IndigoErth]

We can't kid ourselves. They are going to hire whoever will be the most profitable for them, at the end of the day. I know people are up in arms about women's rights, and that's great, but in my mind, the only thing these executives are truly discriminating against is their movie flopping.
Don't think that there is an eligible women out there that they won't hire, just because they think women are stinky and gross.
Bay films... They seem to think a woman's "place" in film is Fox sticking her ass in the camera. (And whatever the hell that was in OotS.)

Can we maybe skip that kind of nonsense this time?

[Galactus]

This makes me happy. Not because I loved the last 2 but because we’re getting another movie and because people are probably gonna lose their minds again. There’s already 5 pages here. :lol:

Honestly 5 (currently 7) pages seems pretty low.

We were told that that current movie series was done and assumed that we'd never deal with Platinum Dunes again, we also thought that it would be quite some time before a reboot so this is pretty big news that I thought would get more conversation than it has.

It kinda reminds me of Out Of The Shadows itself. In hindsight it shouldn't be a surprise that it flopped, I recall the views of the trailers being much lower than the 2014 movie, it seemed like people were uninterested.

Even though the general thinking is that Platinum Dunes producing again is a bad thing it isn't even engendering any real rage anywhere online. Maybe that's a sign that they should wait and give people a chance to miss the turtles. Either that or maybe when we first see actual tangible things interest will pick up like it seems to be doing with Bumblebee but we'll see.

As far as my expectations for this movie goes... I don't know. Way too early to tell but if I had to guess, they'll push more into a kiddie direction than trying to adapt anything that's come before it.

Take Rise of the TMNT for example. Familiar, but different, and not trying to be a retread of anything else.

What exactly do we mean by "kiddie direction"? If we're talking about teenagers then that would land were most comic book movies aim for and I'd have little problem with it.

If we're talking about little kids twelve and under, well Megan Fox's wardrobe and dick jokes aside that's who Out Of The Shadows was mostly aimed at. I read the marketing for OOTS was aimed mostly at pre-teens as opposed to the 2014 movie which was more at people in their teens and early twenties. I would hope Paramount and Platinum Dunes have learned a lesson there but as I've pointed out they have a history of taking the wrong lessons from things.

As for doing the same thing but different, I tend to think that the one thing that separates TMNT from other mass merchandising properties of that era is that it was not invented to be a mass merchandising property.

Transformers, Power Rangers, Pokemon even Masters of the Universe all have it baked into their concept to regenerate into new versions. TMNT doesn't have that - the story begins and ends with the core characters and to some degree every version has to tell the same story.

Sure, you can take them in new toyetic directions but has it ever worked? Just look at every attempt to replace Shredder as their primary antagonist in Lord Dregg, Dragonlord and now Baron Draxum in the upcoming show it's not that these are bad characters, it's that it doesn't quite fit for these to be a core part of TMNT. An episode or even an arc of show where they fight an alien trying to con the public he's a benevolent savior is fine, an entire series based on that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Same goes with the turtles in the future and the turtles in TRON world.

This is not to say that Shredder and the Foot should be their only enemies and that street level is all TMNT should play with but all their better received stories and characters either thematically match up with the turtles in some way or connected to their core narrative. Karai is part of the Foot, Hun has a bitter history with Casey, Bishop wants the mutagen in their blood and so on.

would you prefer a competant female director for hire or a director who is a white, male, and fan of the property?

This maybe a controversial thing to say but TMNT doesn't necessarily need a fan (white male or otherwise) to direct their movies. Steve Barron hadn't even heard of the property but he looked at the comic and got it.

There's little consensus among fans what TMNT should be and even more disparity with what will work for a general audience. A director needs to get the property and respectful of the fans but be detached enough from both to make something a broad appeal. That's not going to be easy. For a long time it was assumed that what the general audience wanted was Fred Wolf in live action but it turns out not as many people wanted that as everyone assumed.

I don't see them ever going back to suits. There's really no reason to when Mocap has evolved to a point where it's so much easier and less expensive than building realistic Turtle suits.

True. Hollywood is very invested in motion capture although one reason they may not is the cost.

Unless they simply tweak the existing 3D models - which would be weird given this is supposed to be a reboot then coming up new ones from scratch would be extremely expensive and probably result in another human centric movie at least to start with.

I'm sure it would be less expensive to have rubber suits with cgi to animate the faces and correct for when the suits look rubbery. Frankly after the last movie tanked I can't see Paramount throwing anywhere near the same money they did at either of the PD movies. Then again we're talking about another TMNT movie produced by the same guys that tanked the previous one. I'm starting to think that PD is made up of the most persuasive people on the planet either that or they marched into Paramount offices with a swinging pocket watch and recited the phrase "you are getting very sleepy" multiple times.

[AlessandraDC]

Do you also want female turtles?

haha please no

As far as which directors, I don't know, but there are several female film-makers involved with upcoming DC and Marvel movies!

[Leolead]

Anyway, Variety confirmed that it's going to be a reboot
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/paramount-third-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1202852427/

The studio is aiming to reboot the franchise through the third “Ninja Turtles” project.

[Donaterro]

I am, very cautious. I want to be optimistic but until I see.

1. A concerted effort to find a darker tone, even if slightly so.
2. A complete re-design of the characters so they look less hideous and they're smaller so it actually makes sense that they can be stealthy.
3. Oh and actual Ninja action, martial arts, moving away from the foot just being bad guys with guns.
4. And Michael Bay farrrrrrrrrr away from it, yeah that's not happening.

Just give me a Nolan TMNT movie. TMNT Begins, let's goooooo!

There is a thirst for a darker TMNT, I know if they made one based on the original comics (more so than the 1990 flick) and gave us some blood, perhaps even some foot ninja limbs here and there they could really make a mark on the comic book movie scene.

But they're likely going to aim it at kids again. And screw it up, somehow.

Maybe the 1990 movie is the best one we'll ever get, it struck such a good balance between darkness, emotion, and comedy.

We could get a better movie one day, I just don't have faith Mr. Bay is the one to do it.

[AquaParade]

Bay films... They seem to think a woman's "place" in film is Fox sticking her ass in the camera. (And whatever the hell that was in OotS.)

Can we maybe skip that kind of nonsense this time?

True. I can’t stand the blatant sexual pandering.

[newfan]

What if it's inspired by Rise?

Turtles have magical weapons.
Black April.
Raph is leader.

The leader swap ...Oh Hell no!
With Rise being younger and something different I've just detached a little and kinda see it as it is, but not other versions. (given the timing though it is around the time of the new series)
I wonder how long it is likely to be before we hear anything else at all about it.

[Wildcat]

@ Galactus, I agree it’s very surprising that another is being made by PD. I haven’t seen rage but I’m sure at least this place will light up again. It has a tiny bit already.

I’m glad it’s supposed to be a reboot. I know some people have absolutely no confidence this new movie will be any better (assuming it doesn’t get canceled) but as surprising as it is it really can’t be any worse than the last 2. To be the same or worse would have to be done on purpose.

It might not be the best TMNT movie but it’s bound to better and more in line with what we’d like. That along with new writers and director is why I’m excited.

[bwwd]

Cant believe You guys took the feminist bait and keep goin:lol:
I think they will make turtles bulletproof again and all that stuff again so its not really martial art but weapons and guns themed movie, they feel the urge to modernize it which means turn knife into homming missile and turn shurikens into grenades etc.. they just dont get it at all, they want to please everyone at the same time by changing too much, they did it with street fighter movies, typical masked goons with guns as enemies wow action film.
They have contracts to do these kind of movies where theyrent weapons for lower prices and movie business keeps spinning, they all know each other and writing movies in such way that their friend will get to have their properties - guns/cars whatever used in movie , its all made for money and they just dont care movies come,movies go... and they reboot after couple of years, they will keep doing it again and again renting their friends stuff for their movies to profit from eveything they can.Thats why many action movies look kinda the same with generic bad guys.

[IndigoErth]

Unless they simply tweak the existing 3D models - which would be weird given this is supposed to be a reboot then coming up new ones from scratch would be extremely expensive and probably result in another human centric movie at least to start with.
Good point, sadly. What is this studio's history of suits + cgi? Anyone know if there is anything?


....

The PD set may not be the cutest in the world and the first looks of 2014 stupidly did not set a good impression, but I've seen images of some pretty unappealing looking comic art as well, so they're hardly alone. They'd never win any magazine covers for hottest mutant bachelors, but I also really doubt they'd win for absolute worst looking if everything of them to come out of the franchise was judged equally together.

People may have been put off by their looks and maybe some avoided it for that reason, but it wasn't what made the films themselves bad. The better use of lighting and whatnot of OotS was at least a lot more flattering. (Imo.)

That said, if they were still going to go strictly CGI, to save time and cost and keep it away from becoming a human centered movie once again, these guys aren't necessarily entirely unsalvageable. I wouldn't go so drastic on editing the models that it would make it off putting again, this time by being half recognizable and half not, but at least finding a happy medium by scaling them down to maybe no taller than the average man (say 5'10 at most for Donnie and less for the others - still taller than norm, okay, but take the 'teen' part off and lets say they've reached their adult heights) and letting up on the steroids a bit so they look like they're capable of being more agile would help. Being well muscled is okay, but eesh... there's a limit between looking strong and looking like green brick walls that should hardly be able to move.

Facially... I wouldn't do anything more to Leo and Donnie than thin out the lips. Though personally I'd tweak Raph and Mikey to look a bit more like the other two. Maybe not too jarringly drastic, but enough. And don't forget the flattering lighting, etc. Please.

Minimalist attire, fine. Leo looked great having cut back; Raph was fine. Lose the sweatshirt tired around Mikey's waist that he can never even wear, and Donnie still needs to lose all the tech he's wearing 24/7. If he needs some of it at some point, fine, but they should be allowed to take this stuff off sometimes! (That includes even wearing their weapons and weapon straps, etc at home.)

edit: And if they're going to have it, then make them use it. What was the point of the CB radios they never touched? (They could have at least used them to communicate with the cops once they made friends!) Not to mention most of Donnie's tech and Leo's throwing knives I'd have like to see him do more with than just wear.


And for the love of god, cut down on some of the bulk of the shells. I've said it before and I'll say it again... they're originally little sliders, not galapagos. :roll: I never liked how absurdly high they made it come up above the shoulder and had hoped OotS would improved on that. I get that maybe the thinking was that it protects the back of the neck/head, but given their lives it would be a serious weak point if they can't see over their shoulder and what's behind them.

(edit: Sorry, Cubed, the nostrils stay.)


More edits: I STILL have this concept art (in spoiler) from 2014 (upper body of it) as my desktop background... :) I could see going back to those kind of proportions before someone yelled "bigger!" (But still change the shell closer to shoulder height, please.)

https://i.imgur.com/RG08vFw.jpg




This film news does make me curious about them showing up in Ready Player One. I'm largely leaning toward assuming that film just needed filler and they were readily available models. At the same time, from the sound of it, they're up front enough that it's obvious (I guess? I haven't see it) that it's them, rather than just being put somewhat in the background... So maybe they're not yet ready to put these guys aside and possibly paid attention to reaction to them having a cameo.

[newfan]

Actually talk of the designs came up very recently (not on here) and it is surprising that slight adjustments can make a lot of difference (PD Mikey was used as the example)
They could easily tweek and tone down a bit..... or of course they could go all out and end up with something worse :lol: Hopefully not..
I've said before, GCI itself isn't the issue here.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Most of us are clamoring for a comics-inspired TMNT movie... let's try to take a step back and look at it from the perspectives of a general audience and the filmmakers themselves.

Is nostalgia (i.e. Fred Wolf pizza-loving cartoons) more or less powerful--or financially viable--than the current CBM model typified by Marvel, DC, and Fox/Sony?

Is the idea of a more faithful (i.e. "dark 'n' gritty") TMNT portrayal going to sell tickets and investors? Or do the filmmakers and Viacom opt for toy sales alone?

If parents will take their kids to see Justice League, X-Men Apocalypse, Deadpool, Infinity War... are they more or less likely to take their kids to an older-skewing TMNT movie?

How does the Transformers film series business model compare to the Marvel/DC business model? Favorably or less favorably? And is that financially, box office, toy sales, or just cost of production?

I'd like to think the answers come out in favor of comics-inspired TMNT films. And I think the fact that the more Fred Wolf inspired film (the sequel) did much worse than the initial film (when more people were fooled or fooled themselves) helps support my optimism.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't think OotS did poorly because of the FW elements, but that the majority of the viewers of the first one was so put off with what they saw that they just didn't comer back for the sequel.

If a FW movie was made ala Ragnarok or GotG instead of Transformers 2 I think it would print money.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't think OotS did poorly because of the FW elements, but that the majority of the viewers of the first one was so put off with what they saw that they just didn't comer back for the sequel.

If a FW movie was made ala Ragnarok or GotG instead of Transformers 2 I think it would print money.

I wasn't saying OotS did poorly because of the Fred Wolf elements, I'm saying that comparatively, a movie that DID double down on those elements did worse than their previous entry. That's not a direct causation, but I think it's still a red flag that the people signing the checks will notice and, perhaps, be more cautious about.

But the biggest comparative business analysis that can and should be done is following the Marvel model than the Transformers model. Except the Marvel model takes more work and effort (and interest).

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, I think disappointment in the first hurt OotS more than it would have had 2016 itself been the first and could have been judged on it's own merit.


And agree on comparing it more to the likes of Marvel, etc. Transformers even being what it is is more forgiving to being used to create a giant explosive spectacle that earns money because of it. It works for that. They shouldn't however assume the Turtles can be used in the same way. They require (and deserve) the depth and attention to detail that some other good comic films have received.

[AquaParade]

Most of us are clamoring for a comics-inspired TMNT movie... let's try to take a step back and look at it from the perspectives of a general audience and the filmmakers themselves.

Is nostalgia (i.e. Fred Wolf pizza-loving cartoons) more or less powerful--or financially viable--than the current CBM model typified by Marvel, DC, and Fox/Sony?

Is the idea of a more faithful (i.e. "dark 'n' gritty") TMNT portrayal going to sell tickets and investors? Or do the filmmakers and Viacom opt for toy sales alone?

If parents will take their kids to see Justice League, X-Men Apocalypse, Deadpool, Infinity War... are they more or less likely to take their kids to an older-skewing TMNT movie?

How does the Transformers film series business model compare to the Marvel/DC business model? Favorably or less favorably? And is that financially, box office, toy sales, or just cost of production?

I'd like to think the answers come out in favor of comics-inspired TMNT films. And I think the fact that the more Fred Wolf inspired film (the sequel) did much worse than the initial film (when more people were fooled or fooled themselves) helps support my optimism.

I'd say that's pretty sound reasoning. Although a lot of this still held true even before the 2014 movie came out. That and the sequel hadn't shown a downhill trend yet though, so those points are definitely worth noting.

At this point, pretty much every other comic book-themed property is skewing towards teens and/or adults, as well as children, other than TMNT. Even The Incredibles 2, which on the surface looks like a children's movie, ends up being a movie that doesn't feel the need to pander to six year olds. And look at the success most of these movies are having. People in my age group (I'm nearly 30) love comic book movies, love adult content, and have fond memories of the TMNT. Get a clue, Platinum.

Just goes to show how clueless the guys in charge have been. But yeah, I'm staying optimistic at the end of the day, because they've seen what doesn't work for them, and being optimistic makes coming here to discuss the movie way more interesting.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At this point, pretty much every other comic book-themed property is skewing towards teens and/or adults, as well as children, other than TMNT. Even The Incredibles 2, which on the surface looks like a children's movie, ends up being a movie that doesn't feel the need to pander to six year olds. And look at the success most of these movies are having. People in my age group (I'm nearly 30) love comic book movies, love adult content, and have fond memories of the TMNT. Get a clue, Platinum.

I think the problem is that TMNT is lumped in with Transformers, GI Joe, and maybe a couple of other properties where the business owners are more focused on the toy sales and toy nostalgia from the '80s. "Kids liked the toys first and foremost, and also there were cartoons, we think... slap some CGI and big-name actors and actresses together, don't forget the product placement, and boom. Box office gold, right?"

Whereas Spiderman, Batman, X-Men, and the Avengers are and were more intrinsically tied to the cartoons (and comics), not the toy sales.

That's my two cents on the viewpoint of the IP holders and filmmakers, anyway.

If you're associated with cartoons, you're associated with comics and so films SOMETIMES try harder. But if you're associated more with toys, then you're forever screwed.

[AquaParade]

I think the problem is that TMNT is lumped in with Transformers, GI Joe, and maybe a couple of other properties where the business owners are more focused on the toy sales and toy nostalgia from the '80s. "Kids liked the toys first and foremost, and also there were cartoons, we think... slap some CGI and big-name actors and actresses together, don't forget the product placement, and boom. Box office gold, right?"

Whereas Spiderman, Batman, X-Men, and the Avengers are and were more intrinsically tied to the cartoons (and comics), not the toy sales.

That's my two cents on the viewpoint of the IP holders and filmmakers, anyway.

If you're associated with cartoons, you're associated with comics and so films SOMETIMES try harder. But if you're associated more with toys, then you're forever screwed.

True.
Though all the more frustrating when you look at the history of TMNT comics and the mark they left on the industry. A hugely important comic. Then the first movie adapts that comic and becomes a record-setting film.

[AquaParade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz0dP_7DB84

Wow. Just the other day, Kevin mentioned that early in the production of the 2014 film, they had talks with Henson about going back to the suits. Very interesting. To hear, go about six minutes in.

It's hard to understand, but it almost seems like he implies that suits, or at least a strong focus on family "with an edge" could be a path for the future. It's possible Kevin knows something we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRu508pdIM

Here's another recent video. A child interviewing Kevin asks if he enjoys the new tmnt movies. Pretty funny. Kevin responds that if they were to do a new one, he'd like it to be animated but more like the old movies and/or comics. Very interesting. We know Kevin isn't in control of these films, but given that he was consulted early on in the 2014 film, as evidenced by him mentioning they spoke to Brian Henson, in the previous video I posted, it's very possible he's alluding to some of the discussions going on behind the scenes, in both videos.

If so (and it's a big "if"), it appears the studio is searching for a way get some of that "edge" back, but still bring the whole family to the theater.

[IndigoErth]

Edge would be great. Don't agree with animated... would rather keep animation to tv and live action to film.

No matter how it's gone about though, good writing will at least be a major factor here, so I hope this new guy can pull it off.




Although I keep trying to tell myself that until we actually have direct quotes from those directly involved we really have no idea even to the extent of which this is a "reboot." Could be anything from a reboot as we think of it in general (probably?), or a reboot of their particular version and just reorganizing (slimmer chance but who knows?). Hope more info comes out soon.

[Redeemer]

Most of us are clamoring for a comics-inspired TMNT movie... let's try to take a step back and look at it from the perspectives of a general audience and the filmmakers themselves.

Is nostalgia (i.e. Fred Wolf pizza-loving cartoons) more or less powerful--or financially viable--than the current CBM model typified by Marvel, DC, and Fox/Sony?

Is the idea of a more faithful (i.e. "dark 'n' gritty") TMNT portrayal going to sell tickets and investors? Or do the filmmakers and Viacom opt for toy sales alone?

If parents will take their kids to see Justice League, X-Men Apocalypse, Deadpool, Infinity War... are they more or less likely to take their kids to an older-skewing TMNT movie?

How does the Transformers film series business model compare to the Marvel/DC business model? Favorably or less favorably? And is that financially, box office, toy sales, or just cost of production?

I'd like to think the answers come out in favor of comics-inspired TMNT films. And I think the fact that the more Fred Wolf inspired film (the sequel) did much worse than the initial film (when more people were fooled or fooled themselves) helps support my optimism.

You would have a idea/theory/reason except the past two films were nothing like the FW series. The Turtles were essentially super-powered hulks shrek looking abominations. You had mech shredder. You had no Hamato Yoshi at all. No real Shredder Hamato Yoshi rivalry. The only was the movies were similar to the OT was in tone.

Also If you look at the Batman franchises they showed to was beneficial to go more adult oriented Batman versus slapstick 66' batman. Hollywood forgets that audiences grow up and evolve. What I am saying is that a more sophisticated TMNT should be shown to reflect a more sophisticated audience bc their fans have grown up and evolved. The Batman franchise is an excellent example of this. So is spiderman for that matter.

[Shark_Blade]

Also If you look at the Batman franchises they showed to was beneficial to go more adult oriented Batman versus slapstick 66' batman. Hollywood forgets that audiences grow up and evolve. What I am saying is that a more sophisticated TMNT should be shown to reflect a more sophisticated audience bc their fans have grown up and evolved. The Batman franchise is an excellent example of this. So is spiderman for that matter.

Wrong. There are two Adam West cartoon slapstick films made so far and the audience love it. Not everyone likes adult/serious movies all the time like Batman v Superman or F4ntastic.

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[IndigoErth]

Cartoons are kind of different than live action though, slapstick plays better in that medium than it does in many live action films.


I'm going to drive myself nuts checking back just waiting for more detail... lol

[Leolead]

I'll instantly lose interest if this has anything to do with Rise

[Redeemer]

Wrong. There are two Adam West cartoon slapstick films made so far and the audience love it. Not everyone likes adult/serious movies all the time like Batman v Superman or F4ntastic.

hGeQKu8RXDc

:lol: Im sorry but you make me laugh saying I am wrong with no actual facts. The fact is the Nolan films which were aimed at a more serious audience were the top grossing batman films all time and on top of that one of them was a top 5 all time grossing film at the time of its release. In fact if you look at Batman and Robin or Batman Forever two films aimed at young audiences were not the most successful films and that putting it kindly. On top of everything else that is a animated film when I was talking about live action theatrical release films.....So before saying I am wrong get some facts please.

[Xav]

If you're associated with cartoons, you're associated with comics and so films SOMETIMES try harder. But if you're associated more with toys, then you're forever screwed.In the last 30 years 22 of them have had a TMNT cartoon airing. How the heck is the franchise not associated with cartoons?

[Donaterro]

I remember on Lairds blog he was talking about how they were going to reboot the movie series, with bodysuits and facial CGI to augment it. It was to be based on the original dozen or so comics. It sounded great, and then they sold it to Nick and despite getting a good cartoon and new comic series out of it, we also got these Bay Turtles.

I wish we could've seen that original reboot idea instead of what we got. :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

I remember on Lairds blog he was talking about how they were going to reboot the movie series, with bodysuits and facial CGI to augment it. It was to be based on the original dozen or so comics. It sounded great, and then they sold it to Nick and despite getting a good cartoon and new comic series out of it, we also got these Bay Turtles.

I wish we could've seen that original reboot idea instead of what we got. :tsad:

This sounds like half remembered sort of truths. There was "the Hallmark movie" that had that, but that certainly didn't get very far. And it didn't even seem like that was represented as a reboot, at the time... and fell apart way, waaaay before Laird sold.

[neatoman]

I remember on Lairds blog he was talking about how they were going to reboot the movie series, with bodysuits and facial CGI to augment it. It was to be based on the original dozen or so comics. It sounded great, and then they sold it to Nick and despite getting a good cartoon and new comic series out of it, we also got these Bay Turtles.

I wish we could've seen that original reboot idea instead of what we got. :tsad:

This sounds like half remembered sort of truths. There was "the Hallmark movie" that had that, but that certainly didn't get very far. And it didn't even seem like that was represented as a reboot, at the time... and fell apart way, waaaay before Laird sold.

Sounds... Interesting? Why were Hallmark interested in making a TMNT movie? Were they like Netflix back in the day?
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[Xav]

This sounds like half remembered sort of truths. There was "the Hallmark movie" that had that, but that certainly didn't get very far. And it didn't even seem like that was represented as a reboot, at the time... and fell apart way, waaaay before Laird sold.He's not talking about that. He's talking about the film that was announced shortly before the sale.
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-all-about.html

[Leolead]

I don't see the need for suits. I want action like the Raid and IP Man and I think that would be pretty difficult to achieve with hot, sweaty Turtles suits. The 1990 actors were clearly limited by the movement of the suits. Mocap is the future and it's the way to go

[cloud]

It would have been great if they were moving forward to a TMNT3. Curious to see after OOTS what direction they would go. Still Shredder? Or new villains and adventures.

[IndigoErth]

I'm hoping being uninvolved in the last two (so he's on the outside looking in like us and I HOPE more open to see what worked and what didn't) and having so few credits to his name will at least give the writer reason to want to come up with something that's actually good, rather than just lazy like the last idiots. Hopefully he'll take a reasonable amount of time to write it. OotS was written so quickly, it's no wonder the overall story sucked. Hopefully this guy can also equally focus on multiple elements, unlike them. (i.e. OotS did so much better on the brothers vs the previous, which I really liked and hoped for, but then the larger story got shorted... Can't win. :roll:)


Likewise though there are certain elements of OotS I'd wanted to see where they went. Particularly a secret alliance with that police station would be nice to go further into (and of good benefit to the Turtles if they have friends there), and what ever becomes of frozen Shredder. No doubt they will remain untouched forever though, esp if the next is an entirely unrelated film. :ohwell:



But please let this film be a bit more grown. The kiddies will have 'Rise' which will have been around for a while by that point. Not saying the next film can't be okay for families, as it doesn't have to be rated R to be good for adults, PG 13 can suffice, but at least let adult (and older teen) fans have something in the era of "younger" 'Rise.' Someone has to someday have the guts to stop deciding that they're only "for kids."

[dragonside]

i'd like a reboot the focused on the martial arts and their distinctive personalities/styles.

I think PD did a good job of getting their personalities.

However, I would say that everyone in hollywood wants to build a universe/series of movies.

I would just like a real close to mirage adaptation of major storylines. They don't need to build anything other than continuity.

A 4kids style approach would be refreshing. Mirage style stories, with some elements of the FW cartoon.

A story about honor, bushido, the warrior way and maybe ninja magic.

[Donaterro]

He's not talking about that. He's talking about the film that was announced shortly before the sale.
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-all-about.html

Yeah that's it. It sounded like it could've been something great.

Still love the 1990 movie to death though, and the 2007 CGI one is my 2nd favourite. The fight between Leo and Raph is just too good.

[AquaParade]

He's not talking about that. He's talking about the film that was announced shortly before the sale.
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-it-all-about.html

Okay... that hurt.

[bwwd]

I don't see the need for suits
Join Date: May 2014
:lol:
Raid and IpMan had no mocap, all suits

[TurtleWA]

This is the first look at new film. Looks like it won’t be CGI after all. :D

https://s33.postimg.cc/va8veq81b/A2_C5_FBFF-_F6_B3-4456-_B40_D-_DAA78233_E293.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ojse5akvf/)

[IndigoErth]

:lol: Very too early to be believable, but nonetheless... go to your room!

:tlol:

[TurtleWA]

:lol: Very too early to be believable, but nonetheless... go to your room!

:tlol:

I tried. :toops: :lol:

[CyberCubed]

So is this a third movie to the Platinum Dunes films, or another reboot/new take?

[IndigoErth]

Well, it's going to be a third Platinum Dunes film either way, sequel or not.

Some sources say reboot, though other sources say it isn't really confirmed if it is or not. Some make it sound like its a franchise reboot, but the wording on some sound like it could be a reboot of PD's own version and in that case who knows quite what they mean.

So... for now, unknown.


Although I do look forward to seeing if the Turtles' actors get any request to return.

I tried. :toops: :lol:
Cookie for effort. https://i.imgur.com/neEku0T.gif

[Andrew NDB]

So is this a third movie to the Platinum Dunes films, or another reboot/new take?

You're trolling now. But the best answer would be, "It's a second attempt at a TMNT movie franchise under Nick/Viacom by the same studio subcontractor... presumably with whoever was deemed to be 'at fault' for the failure of OotS being replaced by other, new more fresh-faced corporate shills."

[Donaterro]

Well, it's going to be a third Platinum Dunes film either way, sequel or not.

Some sources say reboot, though other sources say it isn't really confirmed if it is or not. Some make it sound like its a franchise reboot, but the wording on some sound like it could be a reboot of PD's own version and in that case who knows quite what they mean.

So... for now, unknown.


Although I do look forward to seeing if the Turtles' actors get any request to return.


Cookie for effort. https://i.imgur.com/neEku0T.gif

I don't really understand, why the love for the actors? Personally if they're mo-capping I'd like some guys with martial arts skills, plus shorter actors so they can be the size they're meant to be (around 5 ft).

If you enjoyed their voice work, then I understand it, but personally I'd like them to scrap most everything and give us something of quality.

[IndigoErth]

They were a good match for them. Whoever managed to not only find four guys that were a good fit for each of the Turtles but also with each other... that casting person is very good at their job. If not this, I'd be glad to see Pete come back to voice Leo again in a series or something someday. However, as I meant in particular, hearing something from them (or not) in the coming weeks/months would also give us more of an idea what this film is intended to be.

As for this one... maybe I'll be proven wrong, but chances are high that they end up using CGI again, which won't even matter for the height of the actors as they can still fit their recorded mocap motions to scaled down characters. In that case CGI even makes casting easier, because you could hire a great martial arts double even though he (or she) is not 5' tall.


You also realize that regular actors and their stunt guys tend to share the work, right? Believe it or not, the prior PD films DID have some martial artists involved for the Turtles, but the film makers ultimately failed to include much of it at all.


For example, as taken from IMDB (for 2014):

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0884497/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Jon Valera - stunt double: Leonardo (uncredited) / stunt double: Michelangelo (uncredited)

From his bio 'trivia':

Some of his Martial Arts stats are: 1995 Nr. 1 Korean Forms Champion, 1996 Otomix World Forms Champion, 1997 ISKA World Forms and Weapons Champion, US WAKO World Team Member, Member Team Paul Mitchell, 1998 ISKA World Forms and Weapons Champion.

In 1995, he regained his number 1 rank after recovering from a back injury. He competed at and won many NASKA and WAKO championships. He is now also a member of several stunt service teams.

He began his training in Freestyle Karate at the age of eight in 1984 and traveled the circuit in 1988. He also trained in Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, Kempo and Kickboxing. He earned the number one title his second year, dominating the junior division in forms, weapons and sparring.
(A few more stunt guys are associated with the Turtles but only vary basic bio info so it's hard to say what they did for the film.)



Unrelated, but I'm now confused and curious about this one. lol
Derrick Simmons - stunt double: Whoopi Goldberg (uncredited)
Aside the fact that it's a guy... double for what exactly?


edit:

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Pulled this from an old post here, but ran across some competition videos of him too. Fully PD's own fault if they didn't use this guy more.

[oldmanwinters]

Unrelated, but I'm now confused and curious about this one. lol

Aside the fact that it's a guy... double for what exactly?

Maybe it was a contractual hire for "just in case" the director wanted to write "Burne" into a big action scene.

[Donaterro]

They were a good match for them. Whoever managed to not only find four guys that were a good fit for each of the Turtles but also with each other... that casting person is very good at their job. If not this, I'd be glad to see Pete come back to voice Leo again in a series or something someday. However, as I meant in particular, hearing something from them (or not) in the coming weeks/months would also give us more of an idea what this film is intended to be.

As for this one... maybe I'll be proven wrong, but chances are high that they end up using CGI again, which won't even matter for the height of the actors as they can still fit their recorded mocap motions to scaled down characters. In that case CGI even makes casting easier, because you could hire a great martial arts double even though he (or she) is not 5' tall.


You also realize that regular actors and their stunt guys tend to share the work, right? Believe it or not, the prior PD films DID have some martial artists involved for the Turtles, but the film makers ultimately failed to include much of it at all.


For example, as taken from IMDB (for 2014):

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0884497/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

(A few more stunt guys are associated with the Turtles but only vary basic bio info so it's hard to say what they did for the film.)



Unrelated, but I'm now confused and curious about this one. lol

Aside the fact that it's a guy... double for what exactly?


edit:

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Pulled this from an old post here, but ran across some competition videos of him too. Fully PD's own fault if they didn't use this guy more.

I'll admit I don't know as much about movie production as you do, but I know garbage when I see it.

Nothing but a full scale reboot will give this a shot in hell.

[ranger_scout]

A couple of actors who I think would be good choices for the turtles would be Jeremy Shada and Logan Lerman. They bring plenty of youthful energy to many of their roles, Shada especially.

ETA: I also think Alden Ehrenreich and Ansel Elgort would be terrific as well.

[Xav]

How the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Movies Can Get Back On Track (https://www.cbr.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtle-movies-back-on-track/)

[Andrew NDB]

How the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Movies Can Get Back On Track (https://www.cbr.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtle-movies-back-on-track/)

Garbage article.

[IndigoErth]

Just a little blip...

https://movieweb.com/friday-the-13th-reboot-producer-new-movie/

Friday the 13th is not the only franchise that Andrew Form has (or had) his hands on, but it seems to be the only series he actually wants to pursue. Form is also responsible for producing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise, but based on his comments, even the Turtles aren't as high of a priority for Form as Friday the 13th. Here's what he said.

"Friday the 13th is the one for us, because we were so close to filming that version about a year and a half ago, and we loved the screenplay we had and we were so close on that one. I think that's the one out of everything we've done in the past, except for [Teenage Mutant Ninja] Turtles... We hope to bring another Turtles movie out. But I think Jason is the one right now for us that we'd love to get our hands on."

Going by other parts of the article (that I didn't post due to un-Turtlelyness) Mr. Form sounds a tad obsessed with Friday the 13th. If that francise is "the one for them" in his view, then I kind of wish they could/would just get that done with so the Turtles can maybe then be important enough to get a better film. :ohwell:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Bring in John Bishop and some Triceratons.

[Leo656]

Mr. Form sounds a tad obsessed with Friday the 13th. If that francise is "the one for them" in his view, then I kind of wish they could/would just get that done with so the Turtles can maybe then be important enough to get a better film. :ohwell:

Nothing at all can be done with the Friday the 13th brand because the guy who wrote the original script is suing, claiming that he owns the entire franchise, despite having zero involvement with any part of it in over 30 years.

Until that mess is resolved, Friday the 13th is in limbo. Just to clarify.

Hollywood is a sh*tty business full of even worse people.

[neatoman]

How the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Movies Can Get Back On Track (https://www.cbr.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtle-movies-back-on-track/)

Nope, not taking CBR seriously.

[shredder orokusaki]

2016 movie was failure because i didnt fight the turtles. Just like the third movie of the 1990's was failure because i wasnt there fighting and destroying evrything. It was just foot ninjas and bebop and rockteady with Krang. Krang robot body didnt even wear sunglasses and red underwear like it should so that was another reason for the failure of the movie but main reason was because i wanst there fighting and leading the foot .

For next movie to be a succes i must fight and kill splinter like i did in 2012 series but also hurt krang pretty bad. Also krang must have a new robot body similar to the classic one!

[newfan]

I would take a better Shredder in the movie.

So long as the story is better, the designs could be toned down/adjusted a bit to be more acceptable and it's not meant to be like Rise then I'm happy, I mean a great movie would be more welcome of course, but thinking of what we might hope for. :)

[The Deadman]

looking forward to this

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

2016 movie was failure because i didnt fight the turtles.

But you did in the 2014 film, and it wasn't the greatest success.

[AlessandraDC]

I would love to see an origin story similar to IDW and 2012 - in the sense that I'd like to see a human Yoshi and Saki when they were actually friends, "brothers". I really liked Splinter's characterization in the Nick cartoons too.

[newfan]

I would love to see an origin story similar to IDW and 2012 - in the sense that I'd like to see a human Yoshi and Saki when they were actually friends, "brothers". I really liked Splinter's characterization in the Nick cartoons too.

Yeah I'd like to see something with Saki and Yoshi before or around the feud. Hopefully they are both in it.

[IndigoErth]

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/quiet-place-producers-paramount-deak-1202970399/

Just barely a mention (as TMNT staying under the PD banner while Form and Fuller launch a new production name), but at least proof that another film is still on the agenda.



Fully Formed Entertainment... They're really just doing that just to use the play on their names, right? lol

[AquaParade]

I don't understand why they are still involved after the reception & performance of the last film.

I know I'm outside of the loop, but doesn't whoever is "in charge" have the ability and desire to hand it off to someone else at this point?

I still believe the film has potential to be good, based on the idea that they know they need a new direction after the last film flopped and the belief that people can learn from their mistakes. lol.

[Redeemer]

I don't understand why they are still involved after the reception & performance of the last film.

I know I'm outside of the loop, but doesn't whoever is "in charge" have the ability and desire to hand it off to someone else at this point?

I still believe the film has potential to be good, based on the idea that they know they need a new direction after the last film flopped and the belief that people can learn from their mistakes. lol.

I believe its bc Platinum Dunes is owned by Viacom/Nick they are doing it in house they don't have to split any profit from outsourcing to another movie studio I am assuming.

[Galactus]

^^^

Paramount does not own Platinum Dunes.

They do (or did) have something called a 'first look' deal with them which means when Paramount gets a newly acquired property they can give Platinum Dunes first refusal to work on it and while they are deciding no other production company can make a pitch.

Why are they sticking with Platinum Dunes after the abysmal failure of the previous Platinum Dunes movie? Who knows.

I imagine no other production company is chomping at the bit to do TMNT. Since the last movie tanked the movie series is pretty much dead and reviving it is a pretty big task especially when you consider that Hollywood has been convinced that the Fred Wolf show in live action + extra doses of goofyness is the way to commercial success and for the first time nothing prevented for them fully going for that approach and it flopped hard. I don't think anyone knows how to approach this now that their silver bullet turned out to be a dud.

Not to mention Rise of the TMNT is not making any waves as a TV show or merchandising. You often hear that "TMNT was just a fad that doesn't work anymore" but prior to Out Of The Shadows you could at least battle that by pointing out that even the bad movies have made money, the toys sell well and the cartoon draws good ratings and fan response but you can't really do that right now.

Then again we don't know how much Paramount or Platinum Dunes is committed to doing another TMNT movie right now. I'm sure some ideas have probably been kicked round but we've heard nothing since the (surprising) mention that PD will be working on a new movie with a "new approach". I would not be surprised if they put that out there to let people know they still have it.

[AquaParade]

Sometimes being a TMNT can be really frustrating. Sorry to vent that here, but it just crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. I feel like I’ve been waiting for a great TMNT film all my life.

[Redeemer]

Sometimes being a TMNT can be really frustrating. Sorry to vent that here, but it just crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. I feel like I’ve been waiting for a great TMNT film all my life.

I fear at times that the 1990 or the 07 film will be the best we will ever get in terms of tone and or quality..... I keep praying that TMNT finds it's Nolan or Feigi

[Krutch]

I fear at times that the 1990 or the 07 film will be the best we will ever get in terms of tone and or quality..... I keep praying that TMNT finds it's Nolan or FeigiWorking on it. Gimme another 10 years or so ;)

[Leo656]

I imagine no other production company is chomping at the bit to do TMNT. Since the last movie tanked the movie series is pretty much dead and reviving it is a pretty big task especially when you consider that Hollywood has been convinced that the Fred Wolf show in live action + extra doses of goofyness is the way to commercial success and for the first time nothing prevented for them fully going for that approach and it flopped hard. I don't think anyone knows how to approach this now that their silver bullet turned out to be a dud.


If some genius ever got it in their heads to present the TMNT story as a family of outcasts and their group of ne'er-do-well friends trying to find their place in a world that doesn't want them, you'd have an evergreen property. Other shows and films that are running with that premise have shown that people will respond to that universally.

When you "reintroduce" something to a new generation, you have to distill it down to the base elements and start from there. What I've described above are the true "base elements" of TMNT. Family. Outcasts. Fighting to find their place. Simple. You build on that.

You distill it down to "pizza", "goofy", and "Cowabunga", you're left with a mess. You can't build anything meaningful on that. It's mush. Once people hit a certain age, they realize that all of that stuff is insipid. At least, they're supposed to. The people holding the reigns, however, have decided to be snake-oil salesmen, selling a bad product to an audience too young/dumb to understand they're being worked. They just yell "COWABUNGA!" and expect everyone to throw money at them. And some people actually do, which makes the whole situation even worse.

What TMNT is actually about has been force-bred out of the property entirely because NOBODY actually understands what it was even about in the first place, and they keep trying to build a solid gold mansion on top of a rotting swamp. If we're serious about seeing real change, we simply HAVE to collectively decide and agree not to reward these people for repeatedly giving us junk. Only when EVERY attempt at a cartoon rehash has completely failed would anyone even think about trying anything of substance.

Feel free to hope. I don't.

[AquaParade]

If some genius ever got it in their heads to present the TMNT story as a family of outcasts and their group of ne'er-do-well friends trying to find their place in a world that doesn't want them, you'd have an evergreen property. Other shows and films that are running with that premise have shown that people will respond to that universally.

When you "reintroduce" something to a new generation, you have to distill it down to the base elements and start from there. What I've described above are the true "base elements" of TMNT. Family. Outcasts. Fighting to find their place. Simple. You build on that.

You distill it down to "pizza", "goofy", and "Cowabunga", you're left with a mess. You can't build anything meaningful on that. It's mush. Once people hit a certain age, they realize that all of that stuff is insipid. At least, they're supposed to. The people holding the reigns, however, have decided to be snake-oil salesmen, selling a bad product to an audience too young/dumb to understand they're being worked. They just yell "COWABUNGA!" and expect everyone to throw money at them. And some people actually do, which makes the whole situation even worse.

What TMNT is actually about has been force-bred out of the property entirely because NOBODY actually understands what it was even about in the first place, and they keep trying to build a solid gold mansion on top of a rotting swamp. If we're serious about seeing real change, we simply HAVE to collectively decide and agree not to reward these people for repeatedly giving us junk. Only when EVERY attempt at a cartoon rehash has completely failed would anyone even think about trying anything of substance.

Feel free to hope. I don't.

Well said and more or less sums up the big issue with TMNT today.

[Leo656]

Well said and more or less sums up the big issue with TMNT today.

I didn't get to say in the other thread, I appreciate your appreciation, and whatever frustration I may feel at other people presently isn't directed at you specifically.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

What does TMNT need, this is my opinion;

What is needed, is a back to basics approach to tmnt; go back to the story of four turtles (Leo, Don, Mikey, and Raph), who falls down a storm drain, and mutated by ooze. They are raised in the sewers of New York and taught martial arts by a mutant rat who learned those martial arts (either as the pet of a former martial artist, or a mutated martial artist himself), and they come together to form a family of outcasts, not fully understood by the world above. They befriend afew humans (April, Casey, perhaps a few others) and often battle other martial artists (especially the foot clan), criminals, mutants and monsters to protect either humanity or to just protect themselves. As Leo 656 said, your themes are; outcasts, a family, and trying to find their place in the world.

There, that's it. That's what you need for a version of TMNT. You start there, and build the other extensions of the mythology on to that. Everything else; pizza, slapstick,random goofiness, 100 different silly mutants, toyetic vehicles. all of those things are the icing on the cake. Without a strong core, there is nothing there. Things like wither Leo and Raph fight, bandana color, and themes outside of the core ones vary from version to version, and despite what fans of those particular versions think, they are malleable. But you need that core, or you end up with inane stupidity that will entertain the kiddies with it's bright colors and fight scenes, but is otherwise all flash and no substance.

We need a TMNT movie that puts that core first, and builds around it.

[Sumac]

If some genius ever got it in their heads to present the TMNT story as a family of outcasts and their group of ne'er-do-well friends trying to find their place in a world that doesn't want them, you'd have an evergreen property. Other shows and films that are running with that premise have shown that people will respond to that universally.

When you "reintroduce" something to a new generation, you have to distill it down to the base elements and start from there. What I've described above are the true "base elements" of TMNT. Family. Outcasts. Fighting to find their place. Simple. You build on that.

You distill it down to "pizza", "goofy", and "Cowabunga", you're left with a mess. You can't build anything meaningful on that. It's mush. Once people hit a certain age, they realize that all of that stuff is insipid. At least, they're supposed to. The people holding the reigns, however, have decided to be snake-oil salesmen, selling a bad product to an audience too young/dumb to understand they're being worked. They just yell "COWABUNGA!" and expect everyone to throw money at them. And some people actually do, which makes the whole situation even worse.

What TMNT is actually about has been force-bred out of the property entirely because NOBODY actually understands what it was even about in the first place, and they keep trying to build a solid gold mansion on top of a rotting swamp. If we're serious about seeing real change, we simply HAVE to collectively decide and agree not to reward these people for repeatedly giving us junk. Only when EVERY attempt at a cartoon rehash has completely failed would anyone even think about trying anything of substance.

Feel free to hope. I don't.
I agree with this.
First and foremost Turtles need good dynamics and personality, than comes "pizza" and the other stuff.

[Leo656]

We've been on the same page a lot lately, and frankly it's a little uncomfortable, aaaaaand I'unno what I'm supposed to do about it.

Thanks, I guess. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Likewise, sounds pretty good to me! Now get rid of the lazy film makers. I hope the new writer isn't a lazy writer and is capable of writing something decent.



Btw, for anyone who skipped OotS but might want to take look at, now that it won't require giving them money, it's finally premiering on Nick Thursday night.

[Leo656]

Given how many copies I've seen clogging up the $5 bins everywhere I go, I'm inclined to believe that every single person who actually wanted to pay for that atrocity has already done so. :lol:

In another year, those things are gonna start showing up in the mail with those little sample boxes of Tide.

[IndigoErth]

lol Well, as long as they aren't like the plague of AOL discs long ago. :tlol:

[Leo656]

They'd still have more use in 2019 than DVDs of that f*ckin' thing.

Everyone needs a good coaster, after all. I wouldn't wanna insult my glasses by setting them on that hideous box art.

[AlZarkovski]

Another ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ Reboot to Start Production This Year

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/01/14/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-another-reboot-paramount-platinum-dunes/

[Utrommaniac]

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Seems a bit soon to announce production.

[Leo656]

Gross.

Vast minority, but I'm of the opinion that if this one tanks extremely bad and nobody ever tries again... We'll all be better off for it.

Best they quit now before they put Seth f*cking Rogen in one of these. Unpopular opinion? Sure. Absolutely correct? Yep. In 25 years we've had one good movie, one "eh" movie, and four pieces of junk. The odds of a TMNT movie coming out that's even watchable is... Pretty slim, just looking at it statistically.

I'm pretty sure that if nothing else, the same people who did the last two will not be the ones to right the ship. If there was a way, that ain't the way.

[Prowler]

No thanks.

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[Autbot_Benz]

Another ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ Reboot to Start Production This Year

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/01/14/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-another-reboot-paramount-platinum-dunes/

Paramount Pictures is developing a new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reboot to start production later this year, again under producers Michael Bay, Andrew Form and Brad Fuller’s Platinum Dunes production company

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[Wildcat]

Well having a new writer or writers is a good sign imo (unless it was a direct sequel to the other 2 but it’s not, right?) Platinum Dunes or not the fact that it’s going in a new/different direction is good.

I’d just prefer it be some kind of new storyline instead of another origin or beginning. Either way it has to better than the previous 2. I’m glad another movie will get a shot.

[Leo656]

Watch them decide that the problem was the last two aimed for an audience that was "too old", so we end up with something like the Smurfs movie.

They're definitely not gonna tweak it the other direction. Seriously, if their next swing after the 2012 cartoon is "Rise"... I have no idea what they're gonna do as a follow-up to the BayTurtles flicks, but it's pretty fair to expect I'm not gonna like it.

[d_osborn]

I could live with a two hour version of the TMNT Honda commercial.

[Wildcat]

Watch them decide that the problem was the last two aimed for an audience that was "too old", so we end up with something like the Smurfs movie.

They're definitely not gonna tweak it the other direction. Seriously, if their next swing after the 2012 cartoon is "Rise"... I have no idea what they're gonna do as a follow-up to the BayTurtles flicks, but it's pretty fair to expect I'm not gonna like it.
The cartoon decisions are probably a separate thing but if they did happen to tone it down but it was more faithful to the characters you still would not like it?

I know a lot of people want a more adult version and I’d like to see that too but I can not really be mad if they actually made a solid and faithful representation. Even if it was more lighthearted.

The movie is bound to have fighting and action so don’t see how much more they could tone it down. PG. Wait you said 4 pieces of junk...you thought 2007 was bad?

[Andrew NDB]

Watch them decide that the problem was the last two aimed for an audience that was "too old", so we end up with something like the Smurfs movie.

They're definitely not gonna tweak it the other direction. Seriously, if their next swing after the 2012 cartoon is "Rise"... I have no idea what they're gonna do as a follow-up to the BayTurtles flicks, but it's pretty fair to expect I'm not gonna like it.

Almost guaranteed they will "Address" the wrong things.

[newfan]

Well we won't have to wait too long to see what they are doing at least. I'm going to hope that the target audience is all ages like the superhero movie and that they don't decide that the others flopped because they weren't young enough.

[Vicky82]

I guess the release date will be 2021/22 if the production starts this year.

[oldmanwinters]

Almost guaranteed they will "Address" the wrong things.

Probably need to cast a "person of color" April to get some relevancy buzz for the brand like the Rise cartoon did. And then somebody would claim they are "being more faithful to the source material."

[Leo656]

Which it isn't. People need to let that one go. It simply ain't true. Entire novels have been written about it already.

Wildcat: No, 2007 was "eh" and 1990 was the only good one. Everything else is junk. I think even X-Men have had a better track record. Part of why I don't particularly ever want to see a TMNT movie again is because Hollywood has spent 25 years proving that they have absolutely no idea how to make one. When people tell you who they are, it's a good idea to listen.

I've listened, and I've seen. No trust, no faith, no hope.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Galactus]

The biggest obstacle to a successful TMNT at this point is apathy. The fact that after the last one many of us felt the movie series would be stalled for a long time so the confirmation they are making another one should be big news. The fact it's being handled by the same team that so badly botched the last two should have us melting down with nerd rage but there's hardly anything.

Basically one thread of conversation that's barely in double digits that basically can be summed up with "I guess it's happening and it kinda sucks". And we're supposed to be hardcore fans, outside this site there is zero interest in this. People have just lost interest in this property. Too much TMNT stuff in a short space of time and little of it actually good means that people have just stopped caring.

It's possible (if not at all probable) that Platinum Dunes actually get it right this time and make something halfway decent but it flops because people just don't give a crap anymore. Basically do a Bumblebee. I think TMNT needs to go away for a while and give people a chance to miss it.

Watch them decide that the problem was the last two aimed for an audience that was "too old", so we end up with something like the Smurfs movie.

They're definitely not gonna tweak it the other direction. Seriously, if their next swing after the 2012 cartoon is "Rise"... I have no idea what they're gonna do as a follow-up to the BayTurtles flicks, but it's pretty fair to expect I'm not gonna like it.

Well if there is a slight smidgen of hope is that wasn't their natural instinct when they first got the property. Not that their original plans were remotely good even if they were not overly kiddie.

It has always been my belief that Rise Of...was originally developed to be an animated series in the vein of Out The Shadows with the expectation that movie would be a huge success. Then when it flopped they retooled it to be....something else but it still uses a lot of the Bay movie concepts. Heck the first episode of the show begins with the same way as OOTS. The fact the the show has also flopped it should be the final nail in the coffin for a lot of these concepts.

Not that I have much faith in whatever new ideas they come up with. They have shown a remarkable tendency to take on their mistakes but absolutely taking the wrong lessons from them.

Probably need to cast a "person of color" April to get some relevancy buzz for the brand like the Rise cartoon did. And then somebody would claim they are "being more faithful to the source material."

Can we not with this.

Whatever your opinion of it Hollywood doesn't race bend characters for publicity, same when they whitewash characters which mostly goes unnoticed.

If it happens it happens and will not really make the movie any better or worse not that it is likely, After all this is the production company that thought Col. Shrader and Eric Sacks was a good idea then relented and made Shredder Asian in a manner which screamed "let's hope no one notices he's Japanese".

While April has never officially been Black in the comics apart from the one random non canon issue that was Eastman's original intent and let's not pretend he wasn't low key trying to draw her as such. Like there's tons of Mirage readers that thought she was Black or Hispanic. One of the weirder quirks of the Mirage series.

[TigerClaw]

Since they are rebooting it. They should look at how well received the Bumblebee Movie was. And use that as the template for the TMNT Movie Reboot.

What this reboot needs is a lot of heart.

[sdp]

Since they are rebooting it. They should look at how well received the Bumblebee Movie was. And use that as the template for the TMNT Movie Reboot.

What this reboot needs is a lot of heart.

Isn't that movie underperforming? I'd love a soft re-boot of the PD movies a la bumble bee but if it isn't doing well it won't happen.

I think it's more likely we'll get a comedy oriented pixar/Disney like CG TMNT film than a movie anyone here wants to see.

[TigerClaw]

Isn't that movie underperforming? I'd love a soft re-boot of the PD movies a la bumble bee but if it isn't doing well it won't happen.

I think it's more likely we'll get a comedy oriented pixar/Disney like CG TMNT film than a movie anyone here wants to see.
The movie was well received critically and by the fans. As for it underperforming. I can blame that on people who feel burned by the previous Transformers movies. And not giving this one a chance.

[graphic_content]

Admittedly, I had high hopes for the PD series - but having rewatched them recently, rose-colored, nostalgia glasses off, it's easy to see why they're so critically panned. For the few things they got right, they got so much more wrong.

I read an interview with the Producers where they said that they started writing the script for OOTS centered around the huge rainforest action sequence; they worked the story around that knowing they wanted that piece there. So basically they worked backwards, developing a story (?) to suit the action, not vice versa. They admitted that, and they still scratch their heads wondering what happened?

I was very happy to hear that a new TMNT film was in the works - any new project to keep the Turtles relevant usually starts off with my support; but this time is different. Im coming in with a crap-load of skepticism off the starting line, because they producers have shown that they dont understand the material. I hope they prove me wrong - but right now, I'd just love some no-name indie company to come in and do it right.

[Vicky82]

The movie was well received critically and by the fans. As for it underperforming. I can blame that on people who feel burned by the previous Transformers movies. And not giving this one a chance.

And it also came out after Aquaman, Mary Poppins 2 and the animated Spiderman movie. So obviously a lot of people have run out of money after seeing those other movies and Christmas, So it definitely came out the wrong time. I wanted to go see Bumblebee movie but I just haven't had the time.

[Autbot_Benz]

Isn't that movie underperforming? I'd love a soft re-boot of the PD movies a la bumble bee but if it isn't doing well it won't happen.

I think it's more likely we'll get a comedy oriented pixar/Disney like CG TMNT film than a movie anyone here wants to see.

Bumblebee Is 'Solidly Profitable' Says Viacom CEO

[ranger_scout]

I was sort of disappointed that the most recent film, which was heavily inspired by the 1987 TV series, failed at the box-office. That's life though and I am aware that sometimes drawing lots of themes for a light-hearted show might not always be successful. Joel Shumacher's Batman films, which were inspired by the Adam West TV series, were clearly not as well-received as their predecessors. My guess is that Paramount might approach this film by taking on the IDW comics with a just a little bit of elements from Rise of the TMNT and the 2012 TV show,.

[Andrew NDB]

I was sort of disappointed that the most recent film, which was heavily inspired by the 1987 TV series, failed at the box-office.

Oh, I absolutely love that that's what happened. And it absolutely deserved to.

Bumblebee Is 'Solidly Profitable' Says Viacom CEO

No it wasn't. They just want to save face and maintain "audience confidence."

[TigerClaw]

Oh, I absolutely love that that's what happened. And it absolutely deserved to.



No it wasn't. They just want to save face and maintain "audience confidence."
Many of the hardcore Transformers Fans loved Bumblebee. The problem is the average movie audience didn't care for it. Because of how they felt about the previous Transformers movies.

Also the fact it opened up against Aquaman and Marry Poppins. If they had released this film separately. It could have done better.

[IndigoErth]

Wow, I was hoping we'd hear SOMETHING in the near future, some little tidbit of info that suggested something was being worked on or was at least still on the table, but figured it might still be a while. That said... it's a bit concerning the first info is that production starts this year. I figured we'd simply hear that it's being written, or rumors of the direction of it or who might be cast, and given time first to develop a really sold script.

Not that I want to wait for all eternity for whatever this film is, but really, don't rush it too much and ruin it... Granted production may be starting a year or more after they hired a writer, so maybe that's been plenty of time to give attention to the writing, but it isn't exactly the guy's only project to vie for that attention, so...


I read an interview with the Producers where they said that they started writing the script for OOTS centered around the huge rainforest action sequence; they worked the story around that knowing they wanted that piece there. So basically they worked backwards, developing a story (?) to suit the action, not vice versa. They admitted that, and they still scratch their heads wondering what happened?
I remember seeing something about that, too. They did the same nonsense with the first film. Had that idea for the mountain chase and wrote a movie around it. For the love of god... maybe I'm not a film writer but I'm PRETTY SURE that probably isn't how a good film is made. :tconfuse: At least not by good film makers.

I HOPE this new writer, unlike the producers and previous writers, actually cares more about story and not just the superficial stuff like flashy action spectacle and hot cars. Shame he doesn't have more work under his belt to have a better idea of his typical work.

Watch them decide that the problem was the last two aimed for an audience that was "too old", so we end up with something like the Smurfs movie.
Now, don't you go jinxing it! :lol:

God help them if they make the stupid decision of going YOUNGER. With 'Rise' doing just that, it would be nice to have a few decent films that work well enough for older fans to balance it out alongside 'Rise.'




This thing just better be live action. And not look like Space Jam.

[graphic_content]

God help them if they make the stupid decision of going YOUNGER. With 'Rise' doing just that, it would be nice to have a few decent films that work well enough for older fans to balance it out alongside 'Rise.'

Funny enough, the little that I've seen of 'RISE' (the first few episodes they released for free online before broadcast) had FAR better fight sequences than the movies have had. The weapon work is exciting to watch, and choreography seems thought out.

I love a good action piece, but action is not a fight sequence. And it puzzles me why cartoons aimed at children have more dynamic fight sequences, than Out of the Shadows that thought it was a good idea to replace all fighting with parkour?

All I want are the RAID-inspired fight sequences that we were promised in the first film -- but never got.

[Leo656]

We shouldn't be expecting them to aim high, at this point. What reason have we been given to expect anything decent?

I confess, I kind of laugh when people talk about "story, script, and writing" with a movie like this. This is a toy commercial. If they actually had a "script" for either of the last two, I'd love to see it. And by script I mean just that, an actual script that describes everything that made it onto the screen in detail. I know there are novels that exist that are based on earlier versions of the movie that didn't get made, but those words on paper apparently don't mesh with what's on screen, which tells me that the movie(s) they made were, essentially, a lot of "Point, shoot, and we'll tie it all together in post-production."

Movies like this don't get "scripts", because they're not looked at as actual "movies" by the people making them. I mean, to be fair, more movies than you'd think were made without scripts. Alien 3 shot without a script. Green Lantern shot without a script. Far too often, these people get paid millions of dollars to stand in front of a green screen, open the camera, and pray. Now, those movies generally don't turn out to be very good, but that's life when your release date is the most important thing. The fact that they're already rushing to start shooting this year when there's been exactly zero buzz about cast, director, ANYthing... and still so close to the LAST dismal failure... is cause for concern. If nothing else, it's gonna leave people a bit dismayed because it's coming out too soon after the last ones. I still maintain that "Amazing Spider-Man" is a pretty good flick, but it was never gonna get a fair shake simply because it was "too soon" in the public's eye after the previous films. I can totally see the same thing happening here.

What I sense is, they can tell that the bloom is already off the rose, "New Turtlemania" is dying fast, and they want to rush out one more movie and cash in while people still care at all, and after that the fans are probably in for another "long winter". The moves they're making across the board are not consistent with people who feel they have an "evergreen" property that's just been slightly mishandled; they're consistent with desperate people who are worried they're running out of ways to milk the cow.

But hey, feel free to hope. It's Step One to being soul-crushingly disappointed, but I guess TMNT fans are so used to abuse that it feels like love, by now. Not me! :trazz:

[graphic_content]

Now, those movies generally don't turn out to be very good, but that's life when your release date is the most important thing. The fact that they're already rushing to start shooting this year when there's been exactly zero buzz about cast, director, ANYthing... and still so close to the LAST dismal failure... is cause for concern.

Having just watched the full interview, it concerned me when one of them said, "we dont have a director yet...but we have dates we are trying hit."

[Andrew NDB]

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[Leo656]

Exactly. Sure, there's putting the cart in front of the horse, but c'mon.

Y'know why "Dark Knight Rises", while still a better-than-average movie, is by far the objectively worst film in its own trilogy? Because even Nolan has admitted, WB was obsessed with a release date more than anything else, while with "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" they pretty much left him alone. The third time out, they looked at the film merely as "product", to be rubber-stamped and shipped out the door "on time" to meet some arbitrary goal - most likely based on executive bonuses - and the results speak for themselves. A good movie? Sure, it's fun. As good as the previous two? Oh, lord no, not even close. A patchwork rush-job full of continuity errors, choppy editing, and terrible choreography? Abso-f*cking-lutely, it was.

"We need to hit the dates" = "This movie is not going to be a masterpiece". You don't need to be Tom Hanks to decipher that code.

[CyberCubed]

They better redesign the Turtles so they're not 4 Hulks with nostrils again. The noses and nostrils were so hideous and morally offensive that I was mentally traumatized by them back in 2014. It's now nearly 5 years later and let's just say the wounds have not quite yet fully healed.