Donald Trump Hush money trial [Archive] - Page 3

Sumac

10-05-2023, 10:52 AM

1) All presidents have made questionable decisions during their terms, Republican and Democrat. Hell, people are still trying to get Bill C on his affairs, and Dubya on the fake WMD invasion of Iraq long after they’ve left office. I made the point simply for you to highlight what Biden and Obama have done before and/or after leaving office that would require them to be charged with a serious crime. As generally you are immune to prosecution while President. Trump? Well, where do you start there on either side of his term…
That is not the point.
The point is, as of now, his trial is politically motivated. Its not about dirty businessman was caught doing dirty business, it is one party is trying to eliminate their opponent by any means necessary. Which creates a serious and dangerous precedent for any kind of political freedoms.

And before you start crying about "slippery slop, never happuns", this is EXACTLY how it happens. When group of power hungry bandits feel they have freedom to dictate others what to do and they know others won't challenge them, they become more and more arrogant. This is what had happened here. And a lot of people were saying: "nah, it won't happen", guess where they are now...

2) I don’t drink KoolAid or anything blue for that matter.
For someone kool-aid free, you sound suspiciously like someone who drinks it.

3) Oh they would, I think the fact a tiny minority of hard line Republicans in Congress almost caused the government to lockdown and default on its debts a few days ago is proof of that.
Well, here we go. Need I say more?
You don't drink blue kool-aid, yet, lawful political games, as strange as they can be, is considered some sort of what...attempt at dictatorship? Stealing power?

Andrew NDB

10-05-2023, 04:46 PM

"Government to lockdown"? I know you guys love lockdowns, but this was (and could still be, after 40 days) a government "shutdown." But it's a joke. The government doesn't really shut down and everybody gets paid eventually. There were government "shutdowns" under both Obama and Trump and these weren't like devastating things.

TurtleManiac

10-06-2023, 01:45 PM

Not the case here, I like most Americans, the people in general are good. It's the Government and other large institutions that get a dimmer view, whoever happens to be in power.

I'll also point you to the fact that violent crime is reducing, people coming into the country is reducing, inflation is reducing, but yes, still higher than pre COVID levels.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/22/biden-us-immigration-inflation-crime

Violent crime is not reducing, it’s just not covered by mainstream media so you don’t hear about it. Check out MrAndyNgo on twitter/X, he covers all the violent crime by far left extremists and hate crimes by minorities that the media will not touch. Borders are still wide open, letting in all kinds of un-vetted, third world vermin.

So you’re very much anti-Trump, we get that. Does that make you a World Economic Forum supporter? It’s pretty much the opposite of “trumpism”. WEF leader Klaus Schwaub says he wants to eliminate all cars from private citizen ownership and by 2030 you would only be able to use an app to call self driving cars.

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1709672177593720883

Do you support this? Will you own nothing and be happy? This is just an example the kind of left-wing ideology that Trump is against.

On another note, after McCarthy ousted as House Speaker for being a uniparty shill, Trump possibly to become the next Speaker of the House and alot of Republicans are nominating him. Could it be? Would be very interesting to see Trump as House Speaker before he becomes President again, although he endorsed Jim Jordan for speaker, but says he would accept if nominated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/05/trump-says-hell-travel-to-d-c-next-week-as-house-decides-on-new-speaker/71074434007/

Would be poetic justice, Trump not being able to make one of those bogus court dates cause he’s too busy as speaker overseeing a Biden impeachment.

Mayhem

10-06-2023, 03:50 PM

“A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed," the Republican conference rules for the 118th Congress state.

But internally adopted rules can be changed, or ignored, and the Republican conference could do so if they choose. I suspect thus though they won’t, so no Trump as speaker.

Oh and there’s no way private car ownership disappears ever, let alone 2030.

TurtleManiac

10-06-2023, 05:00 PM

Thing is, all those bogus court cases are gonna be thrown out. They’re just a waste of time to distract Trump from campaigning, everyone knows it.

And they are trying to make private car ownership disappear, otherwise they wouldn’t be talking about it. These people are real stern and open about their plans nowadays, after seeing the fear, compliance, and gullibility of an entire population during the covid “pandemic”. The sudden push for electric vehicles, oil shortages, CA supposedly banning gas vehicles by 2035. Their goal is “15 minute smart cities”.

Andrew NDB

10-06-2023, 05:06 PM

Thing is, all those bogus court cases are gonna be thrown out.

The classified documents one is the only one with any chance of sticking. He's on tape waving around classified documents, showing them the documents and boasting about it, that he could have declassified them but he didn't, etc..

Mayhem

10-07-2023, 03:37 AM

Yeah that one is a bit hard to refute. There’s going to be plenty of evidence, but for obvious reasons, you can’t make it public, because there are cases going on, so we shall have to see what spills out during the trials.

TurtleManiac

10-07-2023, 09:40 AM

Vegita-San

10-07-2023, 09:43 AM

But then they could just point to Biden, didn’t he have even more classified docs, stored in his Delaware garage or something? A clown show is still a clown show.

NY appeals court stops corrupt judge’s ruling to cancel Trump businesses

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/us/trump-lawyers-file-1000-page-appeal-amid-ny-civil-fraud-trial-5505303?utm_source=andshare

Hillary Clinton wants to “formally deprogram” Trump supporters

https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1710119355244011829/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1710119355244011829&currentTweetUser=theblaze&mode=profile

Wow, I did not see that coming. These elite globalists are getting more open and blunt about their intentions, they have an agenda, and Trump is in their way. What’s their next move?

ask and you shall sadly receive.

>>According to Newsweek - the FBI is now targeting citizens if they don't vote for the person the FBI doesn't like. They created a task force against Trump voters.

No way our country survives a FBI this corrupt.

Stay peaceful in all situations.

They want you to lash out.>>>

depreogram is what happens to cult members. wokeness IS a cult at this point.

TurtleManiac

10-07-2023, 10:04 AM

ask and you shall sadly receive.

>>According to Newsweek - the FBI is now targeting citizens if they don't vote for the person the FBI doesn't like. They created a task force against Trump voters.

No way our country survives a FBI this corrupt.

Stay peaceful in all situations.

They want you to lash out.>>>

depreogram is what happens to cult members. wokeness IS a cult at this point.

Yeah heard about that a few days ago, I guess nobody was supposed to know about that until the story broke a few days ago. Heard it’s been going on since last December, but they try to hide it or deny it. Been getting a very 1930s Germany feeling from the left. And they label the other side “fascists” etc. That’s exactly what they did in 1930s Germany, accuse the other side of that which they are guilty.

Sumac

10-07-2023, 10:49 AM

I am surprised anyone still listens to Hilarity...this broad had proven without shadow of a doubt, she is a dumb arrogant idiot, incapable of humility and self-reflection. After losing to Trump (and how!!) she is basically a walking political corpse, yet, she yaps her mouth about "deprogramming"...when it was her side, which made hilarious ads where famous actors were trying to shame people into voting for her!

She is very very dumb person. And can't take loss, like any dumb person.

Mayhem

10-07-2023, 02:19 PM

But then they could just point to Biden, didn’t he have even more classified docs, stored in his Delaware garage or something? A clown show is still a clown show.

NY appeals court stops corrupt judge’s ruling to cancel Trump businesses

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/us/trump-lawyers-file-1000-page-appeal-amid-ny-civil-fraud-trial-5505303?utm_source=andshare

Two differences. Biden is still president, I’m not condoning what he did, but he’s still president and thus they have relevance to his current position, while Trump kept all of these boxes of documents after he left office. Second, when he found him and someone asked him to give them back, Biden did without question. Trump wanted to keep them, refused, and denied having some of them until the warranted search order happened. Two very different responses to the same situation. And the footage about him showing people he had them.

That link is pay/register walled, got anything you don’t have to sign up to and be tracked? I’m presuming it just says Trump has filed an appeal against the cancellation, so of course proceedings there have halted while it’s heard. Duh. Clickbait description. And then likely thrown out and it will happen regardless.

Mayhem

10-22-2023, 03:41 AM

The first of many I’m suspecting as he can’t keep his mouth shut…

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/trump-threatened-with-prison-for-violating-gag-order.html

Andrew NDB

10-22-2023, 05:17 AM

Two differences. Biden is still president, I’m not condoning what he did, but he’s still president and thus they have relevance to his current position, while Trump kept all of these boxes of documents after he left office. Second, when he found him and someone asked him to give them back, Biden did without question. Trump wanted to keep them, refused, and denied having some of them until the warranted search order happened. Two very different responses to the same situation. And the footage about him showing people he had them.

That link is pay/register walled, got anything you don’t have to sign up to and be tracked? I’m presuming it just says Trump has filed an appeal against the cancellation, so of course proceedings there have halted while it’s heard. Duh. Clickbait description. And then likely thrown out and it will happen regardless.

There could be an argument that Biden actually holding the same or even more number of documents -- as president now, especially as the son stuff gets underway who was confirmed to be living in the house with these loose documents -- is an even more egregious crime. I suspect this will all get washed away as a result, when it comes to Trump. But the classified documents case is the only one he has to worry about.

Mayhem

10-22-2023, 03:07 PM

Aside from the “how much money will he pay?” determine in NYC.

TheCanadiandrome

10-24-2023, 10:45 AM

The first of many I’m suspecting as he can’t keep his mouth shut…

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/trump-threatened-with-prison-for-violating-gag-order.html

He’s such a fool :roll:

Andrew NDB

10-24-2023, 12:47 PM

Oh wow, what a terrible post that was. :roll:

Mayhem

10-24-2023, 01:34 PM

Oh wow, what a terrible post that was. :roll:
Well, there’s a gagging order and he breached it. First fine is pretty pocket change, but it’ll escalate higher if he repeatedly breaches it further.

Vegita-San

10-24-2023, 02:02 PM

you do realize that this is their desperate attempt to get him on SOMETHING?

even if he went too jail, his popularity would shoot THROUGH the ROOF.

Mayhem

10-25-2023, 03:19 PM

And right on schedule, second gag order breach, $10k fine.

you do realize that this is their desperate attempt to get him on SOMETHING?
You mean in the same way the Republicans are trying to get Biden and Hunter on anything too? :roll:

Vegita-San

10-25-2023, 03:46 PM

more evidence on them, bud. democrats get away with murder, literally with war starting, in this case..

TheCanadiandrome

10-25-2023, 08:16 PM

Well, there’s a gagging order and he breached it. First fine is pretty pocket change, but it’ll escalate higher if he repeatedly breaches it further.

Well he’s stupid enough to keep it going so they might as well just have him cut one massive cheque lol :lol::lol:

Autbot_Benz

10-25-2023, 08:34 PM

Well he’s stupid enough to keep it going so they might as well just have him cut one massive cheque lol :lol::lol:

with his big mouth just sign over his bank account to the Judge at this point

Mayhem

10-26-2023, 05:19 AM

Personally I think the fines should now increase ten fold each time, so by the moment he breaches it a sixth occurrence, he’s paying $100M…

Andrew NDB

10-26-2023, 05:34 AM

Yes. They got him! Oh boy here we go again! Hopefully there is a live spit roasting.

TurtleManiac

11-09-2023, 11:51 AM

BREAKING: Unhinged Judge Engoron Under Scrutiny for Allegedly Posting Half-Naked Photos of Himself to High School Alumni Newsletter He Controls (VIDEO)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/breaking-unhinged-judge-engoron-under-scrutiny-allegedly-posting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=breaking-unhinged-judge-engoron-under-scrutiny-allegedly-posting

TheCanadiandrome

11-12-2023, 02:09 PM

with his big mouth just sign over his bank account to the Judge at this point

Lmao so true

TurtleManiac

11-13-2023, 04:27 PM

Lol don’t worry guys, Trump knows he has first amendment rights. No judge can arbitrarily rescind his right to free speech. Not even the most corrupt commie judge in America.

Trump was at UFC event this past weekend at Madison Square Garden, along with Tucker Carlson, Kid Rock, and Dana White, walking out to “American Bad@$$” entrance theme, crowd goes wild.

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1723543230740836386

IMJ

11-13-2023, 05:42 PM

Vegita-San

11-13-2023, 10:23 PM

trumps attorney not only knows what she's talking about, but she's hot.
brains, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OKgSSgMZ68

Mayhem

11-14-2023, 08:26 AM

Lol don’t worry guys, Trump knows he has first amendment rights. No judge can arbitrarily rescind his right to free speech. Not even the most corrupt commie judge in America.
That really depends what, where and when in regards to the things Trump is saying. A judge certainly can depending on the content, as of anyone else.

Mayhem

11-15-2023, 04:42 AM

You know someone’s riling something else when a Republican senator, of all people, wants to have a fight with a hearing witness :roll:

https://youtu.be/OIw_aPHPZm0?si=dgC9xFl4wX3bNT63

Coola Yagami

11-18-2023, 08:17 AM

So um..... this came out

NLggUWTccfA

TurtleManiac

11-18-2023, 12:57 PM

So um..... this came out

NLggUWTccfA

Confirming what we knew all along. We weren’t supposed to see this, but it’s out now. The evidence can no longer be ignored. This must be why all those big corporations suddenly started pulling ads from Twitter/X yesterday, for daring allow this footage on their platform.

Would be nice to see an investigation into the J6 committee itself, those corrupt globalist politicians got rich from this and cost $9 million taxpayer dollars. But no, Pelosi and her goons will probably never face justice for destroying innocent people’s lives. They are above the law.

Coola Yagami

11-18-2023, 03:28 PM

Confirming what we knew all along. We weren’t supposed to see this, but it’s out now. The evidence can no longer be ignored.

LMAO wanna bet?

The left has put too much stock into this, they will continue to gaslight the **** out of anyone that downplays their beloved 9/11 Redux.

Sumac

11-18-2023, 05:37 PM

Problem is - even if you present this to a Leftard, he will deny it and claim its Nazi conspiracy or some such.

Still it needs to be spread so more normal people would be aware of this and won't be tricked by a commieprop.

Coola Yagami

11-19-2023, 11:48 AM

I mean, it wasn't that long ago they tried to cancel the guy that plays Shazam cause he talked against the vaccine. It made zero sense because at that particular time the narrative was 'we now know that Pzifer is shady.... but still, don't insult the vaccine bro'.

So yes, once the left has a narrative it's impossible to change their minds. There's been enough documentaries and exposed news about where the funds for BLM really go to and you can still get in trouble for speaking ill of the organization.

Pelosi can come out on live TV and announce she set up J6 and people will still be calling it the second 9/11. It's too ingrained in the public eye now.

TurtleManiac

11-19-2023, 01:53 PM

I’m sure everyone saw the video of arrested “insurrectionist” set free and “fist bump” Capitol Police by now. This also came out, Pelosi and Schumer staging the phone call with Mike Pence on J6. 2 takes, one with Grassley, and one without Grassley. Same audio. They chose which one to air on CNN.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1726069732627898877

I think some nevertrumpers may finally be coming to their senses. Infamous Trump hater Michael Rapaport now says voting for Trump in 2024 is “on the table”

https://twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/1725331680037146971

Then of course we still have celebs like Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Cher, Barbara Streisand, who say they will leave the country if Trump is re-elected in 2024.

Sumac

11-19-2023, 05:34 PM

And I thought our politics were that bad.

Then of course we still have celebs like Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Cher, Barbara Streisand, who say they will leave the country if Trump is re-elected in 2024.
Good riddance.

Do those "have beens" seriously think they leaving will motivate anyone to vote differently?
And its not like they did everything in their power to bring Trump to power, in the first place.

Coola Yagami

11-19-2023, 08:49 PM

Then of course we still have celebs like Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Cher, Barbara Streisand, who say they will leave the country if Trump is re-elected in 2024.

I mean.... they always say that but they never follow through.

Barkworm

11-20-2023, 04:06 AM

So um..... this came out

NLggUWTccfA

Could someone summarize what this is about?

Mayhem

11-20-2023, 04:24 AM

Could someone summarize what this is about?
Basically saying most people who ended up inside the Capitol Building on 6th January (based on the, hah, three clips shown in the video there) were just chilling out and not causing trouble, it was only a small minority terrorising the people inside.

Barkworm

11-20-2023, 05:59 AM

Andrew NDB

11-20-2023, 06:01 AM

Admittedly that was a "clip" too clouded in commentary. I could barely watch it myself. But there looks like nuggets in there.

Barkworm

11-20-2023, 07:01 AM

Coola Yagami

11-20-2023, 08:42 AM

Basically saying most people who ended up inside the Capitol Building on 6th January (based on the, hah, three clips shown in the video there) were just chilling out and not causing trouble, it was only a small minority terrorising the people inside.

It seems there is either more on Twitter, or longer fuller clips. I'm sure July only showed those snippets to avoid Youtube being Youtube. But those clips are becoming 'what Twitter doesn't want you to see', hence their advertisers suddenly pulling out and whatnot. Apparently Facebook group discussing/showing those clips have also been taken down.

Bahamut810

11-20-2023, 09:54 AM

TurtleManiac

11-20-2023, 10:48 AM

People defending the idiocy of January 6 just shows how far things have escalated in the US. The only sensible reaction for the right would have been to apologize and distance themselves from this kind of extremism. Instead, they‘ve been embracing it. It‘s pathetic.

Apologize for what? Nobody is embracing the actions of the Soros funded infiltrators dressed in Trump gear who were bussed into DC and started rioting on J6. They’re defending the J6 political prisoners being sentenced 20+ years in jail for simply being there that day, compared to Antifa thugs being bailed out by celebrities. Those people you see in the videos wearing masks, face coverings, hoodies, sunglasses etc hiding their faces are definitely not real supporters, obviously. Trump supporter do not wear mask. That’s what leftist do, they hide their face to go riot. Why doesn’t the left condemn the domestic terrorism and violence caused by Antifa, BLM, and now the “free Palestine” movement? I guess that’s (D)ifferent.

Why was Pelosi and her daughter’s film crew being led around the capitol during the “violent insurrection”? Why did they film the Pence phone call twice?

Here’s apparently an actual Trump supporter that day begging capitol police to call for backup once the paid leftist agitators started rioting and destroying property, as the capitol police just stand around calmly, allegedly told to stand down by Pelosi.

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1725938388446912574

Also heard there were several phone calls that day between Ray Epps and Pelosi.

Disrupting counting the ballots for a few hours pales in comparison to the summer of love where people actually destroyed and invaded public property to create an autonomous zone.

Exactly, and they’re still doing it, now in the name of “free Palestine”, there’s been several “protests” turned into violent riots over the last few weeks. It’s obviously the same paid agitators going around dressed in different gear. Only the one where they dressed in Trump gear is condemned by the left.

But leftists shutting down a freeway and causing difficulties for taxpayer citizens trying to get to work, is fine in their book. That’s (D)ifferent.

Barkworm

11-20-2023, 01:46 PM

Conspiracy theorists and their weird obsession with George Soros...

Cowabung-Gal

11-20-2023, 02:04 PM

Conspiracy theorists and their weird obsession with George Soros...

https://media.tenor.com/wy2zHeWyf2gAAAAd/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look.gif

Did Soros pay you to say that?

Sumac

11-20-2023, 04:15 PM

Conspiracy theorists and their weird obsession with George Soros...
Not sure about conspiracy, but this whole J6 business and attempts to present it as some sort of "super mega violent uprising, which nearly toppled US government" is retarded.

And once more, compared to BLM antics, this **** was so mediocre and its execution and consequences. But I don't see people calling BLM "an uprising against government", even though it fits the bill to a "T".

Andrew NDB

11-20-2023, 05:59 PM

Not sure about conspiracy, but this whole J6 business and attempts to present it as some sort of "super mega violent uprising, which nearly toppled US government" is retarded.

And once more, compared to BLM antics, this **** was so mediocre and its execution and consequences. But I don't see people calling BLM "an uprising against government", even though it fits the bill to a "T".

Or even now, these pro-Hamas rallies that are taking over capitol buildings.

Barkworm

11-20-2023, 09:03 PM

Not sure about conspiracy, but this whole J6 business and attempts to present it as some sort of "super mega violent uprising, which nearly toppled US government" is retarded.

Well, a coup d'état was surely the intent. Fortunately, the people involved (including their orange guru) were so incompetent and mentally challenged that it didn't amount to much.

Sumac

11-21-2023, 01:49 AM

Well, a coup d'état was surely the intent. Fortunately, the people involved (including their orange guru) were so incompetent and mentally challenged that it didn't amount to much.
Still, nowhere near a "massive dangerous event, which had put Democracy in US at near extinction".

Besides, it was basically a godsend to the Democrats to have it as an axe over Trump's head. So, basically no-one, but lefties benefitted from it. Especially since timing was just perfect.

Its not to say I believe in conspiracy that Left somehow organized it, something like that was to be expected after "summer of love" ("if they can do it, so we can do it too!").

Andrew NDB

11-21-2023, 01:59 AM

It's why they keep trying to keep it alive. They want it, they need it. They want to keep running on it. I don't think even a good percentage of the people trotting this out still to this day or before even believe it was half as serious as they portend it to be. No one was even charged with "insurrection" as no organizational anything could be proven, which is a necessary component to claim that.

Is it something we should "defend," or I defend? Of course not, that's stupid, and this whole march was stupid by stupid people. But pretending it was something remotely significant, particularly in light of similarly timed events, that's even stupider. It was a bunch of loons going into the capitol building (being let in by some accounting/video/photos) that was then highly politicized by the left, predictably and hungry for something like this that they could twist to their ends.

"But people died!" Yeah, one lady that entered the building was shot in the neck and killed by police, arguably unnecessarily but hey, I'm willing to chalk that off as maybe the officer felt sufficiently threatened at the moment -- I wasn't there. That's it. Others had heart attacks days later and other unrelated stuff. I think one other suicide more days later, but this all gets lumped together by the same people. And it wasn't an "armed" anything unless you count people picking up trash cans and hurling them around, which the media absolutely do count as that, which is why most of the dumb masses around were successfully and subtly convinced by the mainstream media that this was a horde of, like, the general world mental idea of your average cartoon character-style gang of Texan-types storming the building with AR-15s or something. This is a fiction they want to wish retroactively into reality but some people really seem to have bought that. To the rest of us, it's all just one great big smdh and gtfoh.

Barkworm

11-21-2023, 03:39 AM

Bahamut810

11-21-2023, 10:24 AM

No matter how trivial a thing like this might seem to you (and playing down an event where people loudly called for the murder of the vice-president is… questionable), don‘t blame democrats for using this against Trump. It‘s entirely his own fault for being the pathetic little crybaby he is.

EDIT: Unless of course you deny that he incited the attack even though he absolutely did. Then sure, the democrats are too blame, these evil monsters.

Yeah, delaying counting ballots for a few hours is pretty trivial. There was very little violence that occurred, minimal damage, *actually* mostly peaceful. It was different then the type of protesting democrats had been cheering for leading up to J6. You know...where they were destroyed peoples livelihoods, attacked people, took over government owned buildings, segregated people, started police forces that would harass people trying to film and record if they didn't agree with them. Yeah, the precedent that the democrats set makes J6 really acceptable in comparison.

They have wished Trump dead since he started running for his term in office. What is your point?

Even any speech, where the worse that I have heard from Trump was "lets fight for our rights" or something like, was more moderate then various democrats around that time who encouraged people to follow and harass republicans.

So yeah, all of your moral superiority is bunk. You are choosing a side based on you not liking orange man, rather then what actually happened.

The left/democrats are hypocrites.

Coola Yagami

11-21-2023, 11:47 AM

Even any speech, where the worse that I have heard from Trump was "lets fight for our rights" or something like, was more moderate then various democrats around that time who encouraged people to follow and harass republicans.

Politicians were actively making speeches for people to riot if that George Floyd cop got off free. But you know.... it's ok when the Democrats do it.

Sumac

11-21-2023, 04:08 PM

Andrew NDB

11-21-2023, 04:53 PM

EDIT: Unless of course you deny that he incited the attack even though he absolutely did. Then sure, the democrats are too blame, these evil monsters.

Of course I deny that. Did he do a lot or even probably what he should have done to try and cool that out? Maybe not. But that's it. You don't see him being charged with "insurrection" either because there's nothing. A couple nothing tweets.

robertfiduciary

11-21-2023, 09:11 PM

Hey Andrew "Nothing But Delusions,"

I was just wondering where you got your law degree? Since, you know. You know so much about the law.

Was it the same place you got your degree in medicine (since you knew everything about the Covid-19 pandemic)? And was that the same place that you figured out how to broker peace in the Middle East (since you've spoken with such knowledge about what's going on in that region?)

And I'm also curious: did you do all that while you were in the military? Since you know everything about the current "indoctrination" practices plaguing our troops.

I thought that one was particularly weird. Only because my sister passed away about three months ago. And her husband, my brother-in-law, is one of the highest ranking civilians working in the United States Navy. So at her funeral, and this isn't hyperbole, it seemed like every member of the Navy (at least on the east coast) was there to pay their respects. And I spoke to a few after the formal service was over, about this and that. Just your standard, somber chit-chat. Lots of handshakes and condolences. But none of those folks seemed "woke" or "indoctrinated?"

So, yeah. If you could provide a little clarification on your qualifications to make so many broad and sweeping statements, without any form of proof or evidence behind them, I would certainly appreciate it.

Maybe I'll add you as a "potential" if I ever need to hire another lawyer (my partner's family has a couple of fine, actual legal professionals. But it never hurts to know more!). I probably won't. But you never know!

So, yeah. If you could share with the class your qualifications for your incredibly confident opinions, I would certainly appreciate it!

Thanks so much for your time.

All the best,

Rob

Of course I deny that. Did he do a lot or even probably what he should have done to try and cool that out? Maybe not. But that's it. You don't see him being charged with "insurrection" either because there's nothing. A couple nothing tweets.

Cowabung-Gal

11-21-2023, 10:14 PM

Unless of course you deny that he incited the attack even though he absolutely did. Then sure, the democrats are too blame, these evil monsters.

Well, Rashida Tlaib incited the Oct 18 Capitol occupation. Has she been arrested for that yet?

Nope. “Rules for thee but not for me” is the Democrats’ motto for sure

Mayhem

11-22-2023, 03:08 AM

Well, Rashida Tlaib incited the Oct 18 Capitol occupation. Has she been arrested for that yet?
She was censured. You're going to say, not compatable punishment. But nothing really happened on 18th October. Unlike 6th January. Perhaps she attracts a better class of demonstrator and occupier, ones that weren't tearing the building up or looking to harm other people.

Cowabung-Gal

11-22-2023, 04:22 AM

She was censured. You're going to say, not compatable punishment. But nothing really happened on 18th October. Unlike 6th January. Perhaps she attracts a better class of demonstrator and occupier, ones that weren't tearing the building up or looking to harm other people.

“Well, nothing really happened so she should just get a slap on the wrist. She had good intentions anyway and is a much more decent person than Big Bad Orange Man and his redneck followers.” So typical. :roll:

And what about Democrat Representative Maxine Waters? She encouraged her supporters to actually harass Trump’s cabinet during his presidency, and that woman still hasn’t been impeached yet.

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People have actually died because of this sickness that is TDS:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11248745/Cops-slap-drivers-claims-18-year-old-ran-killed-Republican-extremist.html

https://nypost.com/2021/01/30/how-a-portland-radical-murdered-a-trump-supporter/

And people who didn’t even partake in the Jan 6 riot are being locked up because they just happened to have been there:

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But hey, Democrats are the “good guys” right so hurrah hurrah!

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Barkworm

11-22-2023, 05:36 AM

Any discussion (for me) ends with whataboutisms and denial of facts. But I appreciate everyone staying relatively polite.

Sumac

11-22-2023, 03:44 PM

Any discussion (for me) ends with whataboutisms and denial of facts. But I appreciate everyone staying relatively polite.
I hope your horse is not too high, so you won't break your neck, when you fall from it.

She was censured. You're going to say, not compatable punishment. But nothing really happened on 18th October. Unlike 6th January.
I've got it: when Democrats incite unrest - its nothing and fine and Democracy, when Republicans do it - its treason and bad and a threat to Democracy.
"Rules for thee, but not for me". But, yeah, it those evul repubs are fascists, not honest and true democrats, who just want one party rule, without any alternatives, complete freedom to harass and bully everyone they deem not good.

Perhaps she attracts a better class of demonstrator and occupier, ones that weren't tearing the building up or looking to harm other people.
Like those brave chaps from antifa, harassing and attacking random people, because, their dead brains decided they are fascists or those stunning and brave fellows from BLM, who destroyed everything in their path.

Those evil evil Republican thugs who went into state building (technically for once attacking those responsible, unlike cowards from antifa and BLM feral creeps, who attacked random nobodies) and did very little damage. How dare they?!

I take it cognitive dissonance is not part of your vocabulary or thought process?

Bahamut810

11-22-2023, 04:49 PM

Any discussion (for me) ends with whataboutisms and denial of facts. But I appreciate everyone staying relatively polite.

Its not whataboutism, its point out the rules that the Democrats are going by. The rules going in to J6 were burning, pillaging and attacking people and government buildings are 100% ok and condoned. As soon as its not someone that the democrats support the tune changed.

Barkworm

11-23-2023, 12:48 AM

I hope your horse is not too high, so you won't break your neck, when you fall from it.
Thanks for your concern but the view is pretty good.

Sumac

11-23-2023, 02:15 AM

Thanks for your concern but the view is pretty good.
Enjoy it, while it lasts, for things quickly turn sour for high riders.

Mayhem

11-23-2023, 04:44 AM

I've got it: when Democrats incite unrest - its nothing and fine and Democracy, when Republicans do it - its treason and bad and a threat to Democracy.
Except... what unrest? Nothing happened from it. If it had, then I'd expect further measures and the same condemnation that happened re J6. J6 was about the US, her comments were about Israel and Gaza too.

And seems everyone completely missed my points were sarcasm, and just takes it all too damn seriously.

Barkworm

11-23-2023, 09:14 AM

And seems everyone completely missed my points were sarcasm, and just takes it all too damn seriously.

It's probably your leftist woke horse. Because it's so tall, people can't hear the sarcasm from up there.

Sumac

11-23-2023, 09:04 PM

Except... what unrest? Nothing happened from it. If it had, then I'd expect further measures and the same condemnation that happened re J6. J6 was about the US, her comments were about Israel and Gaza too.
BLM?

And seems everyone completely missed my points were sarcasm, and just takes it all too damn seriously.
It's probably your leftist woke horse. Because it's so tall, people can't hear the sarcasm from up there.
Your posts have this energy (https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/73442358653d0d7bf3385ce9c521df0a8afded16addd628804 097b3ee8a88534_1.webp)

Mayhem

11-24-2023, 05:05 AM

BLM?
Which has been around long long before she made her comments? I don't get your point. I was specifically talking about any unrest that occurred as a result of her making her speech wanting to free Palestine. Unlike Trump which then J6 assault happened shortly after.

Sumac

11-24-2023, 04:52 PM

Which has been around long long before she made her comments? I don't get your point. I was specifically talking about any unrest that occurred as a result of her making her speech wanting to free Palestine. Unlike Trump which then J6 assault happened shortly after.
Oh, please, don't play dumb.
Its not like Democrats haven't encouraged BLM riots. But have you seen any of them arrested? How its different from what allegedly Trump did?

Mayhem

11-26-2023, 09:17 AM

Oh, please, don't play dumb.
Its not like Democrats haven't encouraged BLM riots. But have you seen any of them arrested? How its different from what allegedly Trump did?
Because none of them attacked Government property.

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2023, 09:47 AM

Because none of them attacked Government property.

Over 200 federal buildings were damaged during BLM protests between May and July in 2020. To name some examples: a courthouse in Portland was set on fire, a police station in Seattle was set on fire, and rioters broke windows and defaced property at the U.S. Capitol building. Overall, the BLM riots caused about $2 billion in damages.

Coola Yagami

11-26-2023, 01:53 PM

Over 200 federal buildings were damaged during BLM protests between May and July in 2020. To name some examples: a courthouse in Portland was set on fire, a police station in Seattle was set on fire, and rioters broke windows and defaced property at the U.S. Capitol building. Overall, the BLM riots caused about $2 billion in damages.

No but you see, it's ok when they do it.

joe-eyeball

11-26-2023, 02:28 PM

No but you see, it's ok when they do it.

I literally had my wife’s very liberal Aunt tell me recently that their side did that all for a good cause and the intentions were good therefore it’s not that bad! :lol:

robertfiduciary

11-26-2023, 02:36 PM

From an admittedly cursory search, it also seems over 14,000 people who participated in the BLM protests were arrested.

Weird how you all seem to skip over that.

I wonder why that is? :roll:

Cowabung-Gal

11-26-2023, 02:56 PM

From an admittedly cursory search, it also seems over 14,000 people who participated in the BLM protests were arrested.

Weird how you all seem to skip over that.

I wonder why that is? :roll:

Did any of them actually stay in a jail cell for more than a day though without Harris bailing them out? I doubt any of them were put in solitary confinement for several months like the Jan 6 rioters were. And 14,000? That’s less than 10% of the BLM protestors. Meanwhile, half the entire country is branded for life because of the actions of a few idiots. “You can’t trust any conservative because of what happened on Jan 6. They want to destroy democracy. They are the enemy.” They are constantly throwing that in our faces, and guess what? Most people have already moved on, but the Democrats in Washington won’t because it gives them an excuse to rip on the other side.

One dumb guy from Arkansas just rested his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk and he’s been sentenced to four and a half years for that. Maybe if he had left some cocaine on the desk instead of the dirt from his shoes, they would’ve let him off the hook. :lol:

Sumac

11-26-2023, 10:08 PM

I literally had my wife’s very liberal Aunt tell me recently that their side did that all for a good cause and the intentions were good therefore it’s not that bad! :lol:
What an amazing in its retardness logic.

Barkworm

11-26-2023, 10:16 PM

Protesting police brutality sure as hell is a better cause than trying to keep a wannabe autocrat who lies to the public about voter fraud in power.

Sumac

11-27-2023, 03:00 AM

Protesting police brutality sure as hell is a better cause than trying to keep a wannabe autocrat who lies to the public about voter fraud in power.
Grasping at straws, I see?
Pathetic.
But its not like you have any other choice, right?

After all, you need to either admit that your side was wrong or double-down on lunacy that "riots are good and amazing!". And the latter is not a valid option any longer in eyes of most sane people. So, you kinda-sorta need to pretend that your position is right, except without looking like a retard.

As such you took half-measured stance, which still looks essentially dumb as ****, since its basically: "riots are bad, but my side did it for a slightly better reasons!!". Except its not, since, if you have some grievances with a government you probably should air your grievances at the government, not random people and their property.

But apparently BLM had no balls to do so, which you had indirectly admitted. Not to mention, given that leadership of BLM ended up being griefters though and thorough, it could have been even not in their cards in the first place: after all, how can they rip off bleeding heart idiots of their money and buy expensive mansions, while being in jail?

And, of course, simply admitting that you were wrong is not an option too: lefties put too much stock in the ideology, making it part of their personality, so admitting their side can be wrong at times, means a personal attack against their whole being.

And one thing that lefties love above control over others, is their precious egos.

So, my fragile friend, you are wrong and still look stupid.

As for the other people: sorry, for this being a longpost, just wanted to demonstrate in PRECISE details, why lefties are losers.

Barkworm

11-27-2023, 04:05 AM

Mayhem

11-27-2023, 05:09 AM

Cowabung-Gal

11-27-2023, 11:00 AM

from Communism to Fascism

https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/show/92317/CXaatT4WEAA7bny.jpg

Bahamut810

11-27-2023, 11:25 AM

Protesting police brutality sure as hell is a better cause than trying to keep a wannabe autocrat who lies to the public about voter fraud in power.

I mean...lets get on the same page. Should treason be treated like J6 (hunted down and persecuted while encouraging their kids to turn them in to the police for pretty much being let into a building disrupting operations for a few hours) or like the Summer of Love (taken in for a night then let go after burning parts of cities and sieging local and federal property)?

I am on board, but we have to pick one way to go.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-27-2023, 11:30 AM

Well given he hates lefties, then it must be proof that Russia, in the space of 30 years, has gone from Communism to Fascism under Putin...

I'd still argue that Modern Russia is far,far closer to Communism than Facism. Putin holds Communist Figures in high regard and says the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the 20th Century's greatest Geopolitical disaster.

https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/show/92317/CXaatT4WEAA7bny.jpg

One of the things that annoys me the most is when Communism and Facism are claimed to be exactly the same. If they were, they wouldn't be trying to exterminate each other during the second world war.

The differences are deep, but when simplifying it to the extreme, communism is enforced idealism while Facism is the enforcement of natural hierachies.

For example when it comes to gender roles, communism preaches "all are equal" of course even if biology doesn't support this, while Facism is inherently partriarchal since men have naturally dominated women due to differences in biology.

Cowabung-Gal

11-27-2023, 06:59 PM

One of the things that annoys me the most is when Communism and Facism are claimed to be exactly the same. If they were, they wouldn't be trying to exterminate each other during the second world war.

How about this then: fascism is the inevitable result of Communism.

And the Naz*s and Communists fought each other because they both wanted to conquer the world. Every country was either going to be under the rule of Naz*sm or Communism. That was their goal. And they certainly couldn’t have coexisted. Sure, Stalin fought with us during WW2 to defeat Hitler, but that’s no different than Lex Luthor teaming up Superman to defeat Brainiac because of course he has to be the supreme ruler.

“But Communism is about uplifting the poor and weak.” You gotta sell the people something to get them to turn over their freedoms. Of course, the free-thinkers won’t fall for that trap and that’s why they got persecuted and treated like public enemies in the Communist regime.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-27-2023, 08:05 PM

Yeah, you're correct in your assessment there, facist movements are a reactionary in response to communism. The National Socialists of Germany for example, always saw the USSR as their main enemy, first and foremost.

It's just too bad that communist ideology survived and still poses a threat to this day.

Sumac

11-27-2023, 09:52 PM

Sumac, I‘m sure you are happy to be able to express your opinion somewhere, living in a dictatorship and all. It‘s probably exhilarating! Just don‘t assume anyone is interested in having a conversation with you since you have the manners of a three year old.
What an answer! So poignant!
You could had save your face by admitting you have nothing to say, now live with this failure, since you have saved neither your face, nor position.

Not that I expected anything more from a leftie. You are all weak-willed spineless slimes on your own, who can't support your position without resorting to calling everyone nazis or immediately running with tail between their legs, resorting to ad hominem, as you did.
So I am not the man-child here, darling.

I'd still argue that Modern Russia is far,far closer to Communism than Facism. Putin holds Communist Figures in high regard and says the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the 20th Century's greatest Geopolitical disaster.
He only treasures one political figure from the Soviet Union past: Stalin, who has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with being a totalitarian ruler, who gave no ****s about ideology, so he could keep power in his hands.

Also, saying that modern Russia is closer to the Communism, means you are incredibly ignorant and stupid, because, there is absolutely nothing "Communist" about modern Russia, neither in politics or economy. Like, you know, two major aspects, which make "Communism".

I do not expect any awareness or knowledge from the fanatic worshipping fairy tales, though.

One of the things that annoys me the most is when Communism and Facism are claimed to be exactly the same. If they were, they wouldn't be trying to exterminate each other during the second world war.

The differences are deep, but when simplifying it to the extreme, communism is enforced idealism while Facism is the enforcement of natural hierachies.
They want to achieve similar results, i.e. elimination of "human" from "humanity" and turn people into meat puppets, created only to serve elites.

Communism attempts it by pretending to create "Worldwide Utopia", which in reality a prison, where everyone who disagree with a current warden are eliminated. Fascism does the same, just limited to one single nation at a time, since one of the core tenets of the Fascism is Nationalism.

For example when it comes to gender roles, communism preaches "all are equal" of course even if biology doesn't support this, while Facism is inherently partriarchal since men have naturally dominated women due to differences in biology.
Communism ignored biology for the sake of "equality", whereas Fascism doesn't recognize Women as anything beyond being breeders.
Both are ****.

Barkworm

11-28-2023, 02:57 AM

Your last post shows that you usually have some interesting thoughts, lots of which I actually agree with. But your childish name-calling and rude tone is just an immediate turn-off for any desire to start a conversation or discussion. You‘re what, 40 years old? If you feel strong because you insult a stranger on the internet like a 14 year old, just do what makes you happy.

Sumac

11-28-2023, 03:47 AM

But your childish name-calling and rude tone is just an immediate turn-off for any desire to start a conversation or discussion. You‘re what, 40 years old? If you feel strong because you insult a stranger on the internet like a 14 year old, just do what makes you happy.
My advice: stop being a snowflake and take responsibility for your convictions. It is not a Twatter - no-one appreciates here your "devotion".
If you support vile ideology, I have no kind words for you.
That goes for all others from Left and Right.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-28-2023, 11:07 AM

If you feel strong because you insult a stranger on the internet like a 14 year old, just do what makes you happy.

It's sad, seeing you be as polite as possible to him but still getting insulted. It also looks ugly.

I firmly believe in diplomacy with people of opposing ideologies, up until a certain point.

I usually just ignore that behaviour now or keep my replies as short as possible on purpose.

TurtleManiac

11-28-2023, 02:29 PM

Protesting police brutality sure as hell is a better cause than trying to keep a wannabe autocrat who lies to the public about voter fraud in power.

Derek Chauvin was stabbed in federal prison, just days after it was confirmed that George Floyd died of fentanyl overdose dose, since he allegedly swallowed all his pills when he got pulled over. Now that the truth is out, he may get a 2nd trial, and now they’re trying to make him disappear. All those “protests of police brutality” you applaud were false flag virtue signal riots (sponsored by George Soros), the same leftwing extremists who burned down DC in 2017 during Trump inauguration and now stand with Hamas. Congratulations to them on their brave efforts of 2020, for the greater good, burning down an Autozone, attacking and killing civilians and cops, destroying and looting small businesses. “Equity”.

J6 was a clown show, supposedly bunch of pro 2A gun nuts tried to overthrow the government but didn’t bring any of their guns. Now the left has sympathy for VP Pence, who they hated the last 4 years, and their beloved Madam Speaker who liberal policies are destroying America. The J6 tapes recently released shows plenty of evidence that it was a setup by the left, high profile politicians such as Nancy Pelosi were in on it, even there’s a video of Capitol Police saying they are going undercover as Antifa or something like that.

Nobody believes in this nonsense anymore except leftist extremists who eat up all the commie propaganda. The left is backed into a corner now. The whole world sees how ridiculous and destructive left-wing politics are. They won’t go down without a fight to the death. J6 was probably just a test run, who knows what evil plans the left has yet to unleash.

ProphetofGanja

11-28-2023, 04:22 PM

Derek Chauvin was stabbed in federal prison, just days after it was confirmed that George Floyd died of fentanyl overdose dose, since he allegedly swallowed all his pills when he got pulled over. Now that the truth is out, he may get a 2nd trial, and now they’re trying to make him disappear. All those “protests of police brutality” you applaud were false flag virtue signal riots (sponsored by George Soros), the same leftwing extremists who burned down DC in 2017 during Trump inauguration and now stand with Hamas. Congratulations to them on their brave efforts of 2020, for the greater good, burning down an Autozone, attacking and killing civilians and cops, destroying and looting small businesses. “Equity”.

J6 was a clown show, supposedly bunch of pro 2A gun nuts tried to overthrow the government but didn’t bring any of their guns. Now the left has sympathy for VP Pence, who they hated the last 4 years, and their beloved Madam Speaker who liberal policies are destroying America. The J6 tapes recently released shows plenty of evidence that it was a setup by the left, high profile politicians such as Nancy Pelosi were in on it, even there’s a video of Capitol Police saying they are going undercover as Antifa or something like that.

Nobody believes in this nonsense anymore except leftist extremists who eat up all the commie propaganda. The left is backed into a corner now. The whole world sees how ridiculous and destructive left-wing politics are. They won’t go down without a fight to the death. J6 was probably just a test run, who knows what evil plans the left has yet to unleash.

Like you said, almost everything you just mentioned was a psyop, events manufactured to distract from other goings-on or achieve a certain reaction from the general public

Mayhem

11-28-2023, 05:13 PM

J6 was a clown show, supposedly bunch of pro 2A gun nuts tried to overthrow the government but didn’t bring any of their guns. Now the left has sympathy for VP Pence, who they hated the last 4 years, and their beloved Madam Speaker who liberal policies are destroying America. The J6 tapes recently released shows plenty of evidence that it was a setup by the left, high profile politicians such as Nancy Pelosi were in on it, even there’s a video of Capitol Police saying they are going undercover as Antifa or something like that.
Dear ****ing lord, what on earth flavour of kool aid have you been drinking now…

Andrew NDB

11-28-2023, 05:51 PM

Like you said, almost everything you just mentioned was a psyop, events manufactured to distract from other goings-on or achieve a certain reaction from the general public

My inkling would be to say, "That's crazy!" However, this was at the same point in time (as BLM at large, anyway) they were trying to convince us going to the beach and outdoor dining was extremely dangerous.

ProphetofGanja

11-28-2023, 06:18 PM

My inkling would be to say, "That's crazy!" However, this was at the same point in time (as BLM at large, anyway) they were trying to convince us going to the beach and outdoor dining was extremely dangerous.

Every time I see a "germ shield" that's just a thin piece of plexiglass hanging freely in space, doing absolutely nothing, I am aghast at how docile and gullible we've become as a civilization

Sumac

11-28-2023, 11:43 PM

It's sad, seeing you be as polite as possible to him but still getting insulted. It also looks ugly.
Its sad someone believing in fictional monsters and other nonsense dictate by outdated fairy tales in 21st century and being a spineless snowflake, who can't face any opposition to his insanity.

Well given he hates lefties, then it must be proof that Russia, in the space of 30 years, has gone from Communism to Fascism under Putin...
Not sure, if serious...

Dear ****ing lord, what on earth flavour of kool aid have you been drinking now…
At this point, none of it looks outrageously crazy.
J6 might not have been a setup per se, but denying HOW convenient it was for Democrats is foolish.

TurtleManiac

11-28-2023, 11:55 PM

Dear ****ing lord, what on earth flavour of kool aid have you been drinking now…

Here is the video of the Capitol Police “going undercover as Antifa”

https://twitter.com/WallStreetApes/status/1725996053428842855

There was also a video of them removing handcuffs and fist bumping a crisis actor they “arrested”

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1725652222686458317

And another one of them standing around calmly doing nothing while the “insurrection” was starting

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1725938388446912574

Why was this footage kept hidden from the public for so long? Did the Capitol Police collude with Nancy Pelosi and help orchestrate the J6 sham?

Sumac

11-28-2023, 11:59 PM

My inkling would be to say, "That's crazy!" However, this was at the same point in time (as BLM at large, anyway) they were trying to convince us going to the beach and outdoor dining was extremely dangerous.
My favorite part is how Democrats and some people from a government were crying about "horrible pandemic, which will kill people, if you just stand near each other", yet, the very same politicians encouraged BLM riots and anti-police protests.

Yet, when Trump supporters gathered together, media were drumming up "how how it will spread the virus to EVERYONE!!". Its almost like they thought COVID won't affect people "with right beliefs".
Bunch of two-faced retards.

TurtleManiac

11-29-2023, 12:16 AM

My favorite part is how Democrats and some people from a government were crying about "horrible pandemic, which will kill people, if you just stand near each other", yet, the very same politicians encouraged BLM riots and anti-police protests.

Yet, when Trump supporters gathered together, media were drumming up "how how it will spread the virus to EVERYONE!!". Its almost like they thought COVID won't affect people "with right beliefs".
Bunch of two-faced retards.

It is their double standard. Another example is how the left condemns “police brutality” and want to defund police. But now that all these Soros backed AG’s and DA’s have been persecuting Trump, now the same anti-police crowd wants to see Trump in jail and cheer on at all these endless lawsuits, court dates and witch hunt, because they disagree with his politics. They also celebrated the unarmed woman being shot by Capitol Police on J6, and the 20+ year sentences for J6 political prisoners.

Mayhem

12-06-2023, 03:41 PM

Bahamut810

12-06-2023, 04:49 PM

Oh dear, you couldn’t make it up, well you could, and bam there goes all the conspiracy nuts thinking antifa and undercover cops might be involved in Jan 6th…

https://newrepublic.com/post/177333/mike-johnson-killed-republicans-favorite-january-6-talking-point-edited-tapes

I dont think that its to the extent that some people may think...but there were

Rioter or journalist? Man who said he was only filming Jan. 6 convicted. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/11/16/john-sullivan-convicted-jan-6-film/)

Mayhem

12-07-2023, 04:16 AM

TurtleManiac

12-07-2023, 09:40 AM

Paywalled so I can't read. I don't deny there were non-rioters present. But the GoP admission is basically refuting their assertion all the trouble was antifa or undercover cops, because why else would they want to hide faces unless it was their supporters instead?

That is precisely why they are blurring faces, to hide the identities of undercover operatives involved in the J6 sham. You really think big federal government would be trying to protect innocent J6ers? They had the tapes all along, they’ve already seen them, they did whatever they needed with them. Who else identity would they be trying to hide besides, say, undercover J6 operatives, aka feds. This just shows that perhaps Speaker Mike Johnson isn’t as “based” as you thought. Pretty hard to find a Republican not at all compromised by uniparty swamp.

Mayhem

12-08-2023, 07:26 AM

That is precisely why they are blurring faces, to hide the identities of undercover operatives involved in the J6 sham. You really think big federal government would be trying to protect innocent J6ers? They had the tapes all along, they’ve already seen them, they did whatever they needed with them. Who else identity would they be trying to hide besides, say, undercover J6 operatives, aka feds. This just shows that perhaps Speaker Mike Johnson isn’t as “based” as you thought. Pretty hard to find a Republican not at all compromised by uniparty swamp.
So you're saying the Republican party are being in cahoots with the Democrats to hide all the faces of everyone there? Because the admission is coming from the GoP, not the Government.

TurtleManiac

12-08-2023, 10:39 AM

So you're saying the Republican party are being in cahoots with the Democrats to hide all the faces of everyone there? Because the admission is coming from the GoP, not the Government.

GOP is worthless and spineless, they’ve done nothing for their constituents. Just let the Democrats oppress and walk all over them. That’s why Kevin McCarthy was voted out.

Absolutely I believe there are some corrupt Republicans colluding with Democrats, ie Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney. All war mongers, screwing over the taxpayers to enrich themselves, and they all happen to be anti-Trump. Mike Pence also showed his true colors after J6, coming out as a uniparty shill, but still calls himself a Republican.

Bahamut810

12-09-2023, 08:33 AM

Paywalled so I can't read. I don't deny there were non-rioters present. But the GoP admission is basically refuting their assertion all the trouble was antifa or undercover cops, because why else would they want to hide faces unless it was their supporters instead?

Self-proclaimed journalist John Sullivan convicted on all charges in Jan. 6 riot case (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/self-proclaimed-journalist-john-sullivan-convicted-charges-jan-6-riot-rcna125516)

Here is another source from NBC. BLM activist on his own video destroying property and intentionally instigating things on J6.

Like I said, probably not to the extent that some people think but it did happen.

Mayhem

12-20-2023, 04:02 AM

Trump kicked off ballot in Colorado. Not expecting it to stick, but, you never know. Not like he was going to win the state anyhow though, so changes little.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67768873

Barkworm

12-20-2023, 04:09 AM

The Supreme Court is going to repeal this 100 per cent.

IMJ

12-20-2023, 10:42 AM

The Supreme Court is going to repeal this 100 per cent.

They sure will..... :lol:

Vegita-San

12-20-2023, 11:00 AM

ANYONE who thinks this country can't turn into china or russia should be APPALLED by this statement. Like him, or hate him, the people have a RIGHT to choose who they want. and trump is leading by a long shot.

anyone still want to take bets they didn't cheat in the last election to get sleepy joe up there if they are willing to do this?

Cowabung-Gal

12-20-2023, 11:05 AM

Trump kicked off ballot in Colorado. Not expecting it to stick, but, you never know. Not like he was going to win the state anyhow though, so changes little.

If they didn’t think he had any chance at winning, they wouldn’t have kicked him off the ballot in the first place. Whatever the reason, this is completely unconstitutional and a clear indication that we’re heading down the path toward totalitarianism.

IMJ

12-20-2023, 11:21 AM

ANYONE who thinks this country can't turn into china or russia should be APPALLED by this statement.

Goes to show you who the real "deplorables" are in this greater social situation. The fact that not only are they not appalled by it, but that some of them would celebrate it as stemming from their life-anger and personal hate through TDS is the full reveal.

There. Will. ALWAYS. Be. Peasant-Thinkers. In. A. Society.

Andrew NDB

12-20-2023, 11:44 AM

He doesn't need Colorado anyway but it's still pretty stupid. "Insurrection" clause? Even though nobody involved in J6 was ever even so much as charged with insurrection?

IMJ

12-20-2023, 02:01 PM

He doesn't need Colorado anyway but it's still pretty stupid. "Insurrection" clause? Even though nobody involved in J6 was ever even so much as charged with insurrection?

Guilt-by-talking-point - the real reason many decent people lose jobs and career opportunities through haters. But those same haters would call it "racism" or "misogyny" if they faced it on the other side, but in reality it's just their own operating model for power.

"Insurrection" stuck and in this case it was used in court. As a whole though I still believe in the court process because it's peer reviewed on a hierarchy - very hard to squash "truth" there on a long-enough timeline involving actually educated people.

Mayhem

12-20-2023, 02:53 PM

If they didn’t think he had any chance at winning, they wouldn’t have kicked him off the ballot in the first place. Whatever the reason, this is completely unconstitutional and a clear indication that we’re heading down the path toward totalitarianism.
You do realise I’m laughing right now at that statement (I guess you DIDN'T read the article), they have ruled he can’t be on the Republican primary ballot BECAUSE of a clause in the constitution! :lol:

Cowabung-Gal

12-20-2023, 03:13 PM

You do realise I’m laughing right now at that statement (I guess you DIDN'T read the article), they have ruled he can’t be on the Republican primary ballot BECAUSE of a clause in the constitution! :lol:

But Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does not mention the presidency. Even CNN points out this crucial detail.

Mayhem

12-21-2023, 03:14 AM

But Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does not mention the presidency. Even CNN points out this crucial detail.
You merely said it was unconstitutional. Which presumes the entire process. Which was incorrect. The court decision 4-3 was deciding the interpretation of the section 3 in regards to the presidency. In the same way the Supreme Court took until 2006 to decide how to interpret the Second Amendment re everyone owning guns and not just militia. Same principle in my head. And if one court ruled that way, it may inflience other courts also looking to block Trump in the same manner.

Cowabung-Gal

12-21-2023, 10:54 AM

You merely said it was unconstitutional. Which presumes the entire process. Which was incorrect. The court decision 4-3 was deciding the interpretation of the section 3 in regards to the presidency. In the same way the Supreme Court took until 2006 to decide how to interpret the Second Amendment re everyone owning guns and not just militia. Same principle in my head. And if one court ruled that way, it may inflience other courts also looking to block Trump in the same manner.

It is unconstitutional because these biased judges are intentionally misinterpreting the Constitution and manipulating the system to get rid of a guy they hate. The federal government can’t tell private citizens who they can and cannot put on the ballot.

Mayhem

12-22-2023, 03:29 AM

It is unconstitutional because these biased Supreme Court judges are intentionally misinterpreting the Constitution and manipulating the system to allow everyone to have weapons. The federal government can’t tell private citizens who can and cannot own weapons.
Doesn't take much changing, does it?

It's only unconstitutional to YOU because YOU disagree with the outcome. It's the standard default cry of anyone who feels their billionaire leader has been put upon unfairly. Yes, I'm including all sides here in my rhetoric, I have no stake in the outcome, just reporting things as they occur.

Of course the government has a say, it's the government, albeit being convicted in the past doesn't preclude you from holding pretty much any office in the future. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits anyone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States from holding public office, unless that prohibition is overridden by a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress. So there's an "override" built in anyhow.

Cowabung-Gal

12-22-2023, 10:33 AM

“The federal government can’t tell citizens who can and cannot own weapons”. You just changed my words to fit your narrative. How are you any different from those partisan judges again?

It's only unconstitutional to YOU because YOU disagree with the outcome. It's the standard default cry of anyone who feels their billionaire leader has been put upon unfairly.

Oh, right. I must worship Trump because I call out corrupt politicians and dare to question the system. You don’t even know who I voted for in the last election nor should you know because it’s none of your business. Trump can pack up and move to Russia for all I care. Let Vivek Ramaswamy or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ruffle the Establishment’s feathers for a while. I’m outraged because this won’t stop at Trump; this will definitely be a domino effect that will ultimately lead to a totalitarian society where you have no say in who leads this country, or even to another Civil War.

Of course the government has a say, it's the government

The government works for the People, or at least that’s what our Founding Fathers intended. We elected them into office. If anything we’re their bosses, not the other way around. Unfortunately that’s not the case anymore. Hasn’t been for a long time actually. If the People want to elect, say, Joe Rogan as the next President, then the government should allow it because it is the will of the People, even though there are some officials who probably hate his guts because he, too, criticizes the system and he’s never worked in the government nor helped bomb foreign countries to fill the politician’s pockets; that’s their ideal candidate.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits anyone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States from holding public office, unless that prohibition is overridden by a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress.

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court, and there’s still some debate over whether he is guilty of inciting the riot or not. Again, this is a desperate and not very well thought out attempt to destroy a guy they hate, and it will definitely lead to disaster. If numerous blue states do end up removing Trump from the ballot but Trump wins the Electoral College and becomes president, the media will tell the people who aren’t paying attention to what’s going on that the election is invalid because people in the blue states didn’t vote for him, when the reality is you couldn’t if you wanted to. And that will lead to even more division in this country.

Coola Yagami

12-22-2023, 06:25 PM

I think the general consensus isn't so much that they can do this to Trump (someone not many people like) but the fact that if they get away with this, they will also do this to someone you actually do like and want in office.

Andrew NDB

12-22-2023, 06:27 PM

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court

Nor has ANYONE that was arrested actually at the capitol building on 1/6. Because for it to be insurrection they would have to show a large degree of planning and coordination, but they couldn't find any.

Mayhem

12-22-2023, 07:41 PM

The government works for the People, or at least that’s what our Founding Fathers intended.
At least you got the point of my sarcasm there.

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court, and there’s still some debate over whether he is guilty of inciting the riot or not.
I’m glad you added the word “court” there. The second vote in Congress was in regards to this, and while it didn’t get the two thirds voting in favour needed, a majority still found Trump guilty of inciting the insurrection. Which I’m guessing is what the Colorado court has taken into consideration when ruling on section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Some of those convicted for Jan 6 were for sedition, which if you read the definitions in the US legal code, isn’t particularly far from what you’d define as insurrection.

Cowabung-Gal

12-22-2023, 08:31 PM

Bahamut810

12-23-2023, 12:08 AM

I’m glad you added the word “court” there. The second vote in Congress was in regards to this, and while it didn’t get the two thirds voting in favour needed, a majority still found Trump guilty of inciting the insurrection. Which I’m guessing is what the Colorado court has taken into consideration when ruling on section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

This is what people are talking about when they are talk about litigating from the bench. He has never been found guilty of insurrection, and he is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty. They are saying that he is legally guilty of treason and punishing him without trial. Sh!t or get off the pot, either charge him or shut up about a *very* minor semi-riot that delayed counting the votes a few hours.

This does not event get into the double standard of any elected official in that state who supported BLM in the same way and more (i.e. telling people to fight for their rights and leaving) when BLM was being very specifically was treasonous and terroristic. They have sieged federal and local government facilities (courts, police training grounds, police stations) and have used unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims..

Coola Yagami

12-23-2023, 09:36 AM

This is what people are talking about when they are talk about litigating from the bench. He has never been found guilty of insurrection, and he is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty. They are saying that he is legally guilty of treason and punishing him without trial. Sh!t or get off the pot, either charge him or shut up about a *very* minor semi-riot that delayed counting the votes a few hours.

This does not event get into the double standard of any elected official in that state who supported BLM in the same way and more (i.e. telling people to fight for their rights and leaving) when BLM was being very specifically was treasonous and terroristic. They have sieged federal and local government facilities (courts, police training grounds, police stations) and have used unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims..

Let's not forget the politicians that were actively calling for violence if that George Floyd cop got off as not guilty.

TurtleManiac

02-07-2024, 10:57 AM

Former Trump Administration Official Mike Gill killed in DC carjacking

https://people.com/mike-gill-gop-official-killed-dc-carjacking-rampage-8558838

This is pretty wild. Especially since extreme leftists are always calling for things like “Trump should have his secret service revoked” etc. The soft on crime policy is outta control, and they’re still focused on Trump.

Mayhem

02-19-2024, 09:07 AM

Repaying that $450M legal bill outcome grift starts here...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4474892-trump-unveils-400-never-surrender-sneakers-at-phillys-sneaker-con/

Vegita-San

02-19-2024, 10:20 AM

you......redacted word.... he paid back what he owed, WITH INTEREST.

this WILL get overturned, if there is any justice left in Commie-Merica.

I hope that Trucker Boycot hurts new york BIG TIME

Autbot_Benz

02-19-2024, 10:23 AM

Mayhem

02-21-2024, 02:25 AM

What I hadn’t realised from reading before, is the Dump grift sneaks had already gone “on sale”. And sold out. Well I say both… buyers haven’t actually purchased the shoes. They’ve purchase a promise of shoes. No shoes will be shipped before July and even there there’s no guarantee of shipment in that timeframe. See my shocked face :lol:

Mayhem

02-21-2024, 07:28 AM

Entry #73 in “I’m no longer saying you can’t make these things up”…

https://i.imgur.com/UcwgdwV.jpeg

Trump's literally comparing himself to people such as Navalny in this tweet here, when the day before Navalny was murdered, his lawyer was in court arguing it was perfectly legal for Trump to have his political opposition murdered as long as he wasn't impeached.

Things like this I just cannot comprehend. At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection. When in fact, maybe the reason you’re in the position you are in are because of things you did, not everyone else’s fault for calling you out on them.

IMJ

02-21-2024, 08:12 AM

At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection.

Hey. Summer of love, son. If it works for your side then..... :roll:

TurtleManiac

02-21-2024, 02:24 PM

Repaying that $450M legal bill outcome grift starts here...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4474892-trump-unveils-400-never-surrender-sneakers-at-phillys-sneaker-con/

What I hadn’t realised from reading before, is the Dump grift sneaks had already gone “on sale”. And sold out. Well I say both… buyers haven’t actually purchased the shoes. They’ve purchase a promise of shoes. No shoes will be shipped before July and even there there’s no guarantee of shipment in that timeframe. See my shocked face :lol:

Gotta admit, those Gold Trumpforce 1’s look pretty cool! Being in England it may take longer to receive your pair. Just be patient, Trump is a man of his word.

Entry #73 in “I’m no longer saying you can’t make these things up”…

https://i.imgur.com/UcwgdwV.jpeg

Trump's literally comparing himself to people such as Navalny in this tweet here, when the day before Navalny was murdered, his lawyer was in court arguing it was perfectly legal for Trump to have his political opposition murdered as long as he wasn't impeached.

Things like this I just cannot comprehend. At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection. When in fact, maybe the reason you’re in the position you are in are because of things you did, not everyone else’s fault for calling you out on them.

There actually was no proof of insurrection, nobody was charged with insurrection for J6. But here is Biden bragging about arresting his political opponents. Who’s the fascist?

https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1759743477993165029

IMJ

02-21-2024, 03:08 PM

But here is Biden bragging about arresting his political opponents. Who’s the fascist?

You aren't going to rationalize with these guys at all. Their entire being hinges on their phony arguments at all costs. Just trap them in their own BS at this point - they are losing and dying off anyway as it is.

Insurrection? Okay, sure. Summer of love worked for you, then it works for us. Human scum.

Andrew NDB

02-21-2024, 03:34 PM

Oh yes, "insurrection." "We came thiiiiiiiiis close to losing our government on January 6th!" :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'm not sure how someone can say that with a straight face and not surrender all of their credibility immediately.

Mayhem

02-21-2024, 05:46 PM

There actually was no proof of insurrection, nobody was charged with insurrection for J6. But here is Biden bragging about arresting his political opponents.
What political opponents? Oh, you mean ordinary members of the public not affiliated with any government or federal position who actually committed crimes they’ve been convicted for. Gotcha.

TurtleManiac

02-21-2024, 06:59 PM

What political opponents? Oh, you mean ordinary members of the public not affiliated with any government or federal position who actually committed crimes they’ve been convicted for. Gotcha.

Yes, those are U.S. citizens, who Biden has proudly “sentenced to more than 840 years in prison” for being political dissidents who merely trespassed a few offices, and even that’s a stretch since the videos show they were let in. Totally not a dictator, right? He’s basically jailing them for the “wrong-think” of questioning a very strange election. As mentioned earlier, the “summer of love” 2020 when leftwing extremists set fire to the capitol, or the numerous violent protests at the capitol during Trump Presidency, is ok when it’s their side doing it. Celebrities bailing them out cause most hollywood celebs are leftists. Trump was too nice to the domestic terrorists during his first term.

Mayhem

02-22-2024, 05:29 AM

I open the door to my house. I don't invite you in. You still enter regardless. You are still trespassing. The people in question still had a choice to go in or not whether the doors were locked or fully open. They weren't forced to enter.

As mentioned earlier, the “summer of love” 2020 when leftwing extremists set fire to the capitol, or the numerous violent protests at the capitol during Trump Presidency, is ok when it’s their side doing it.
Well, you're not going to find any evidence of me condoning that either mind you. Evidently the police weren't particularly happy either as over 14,000 arrests were made countrywide during said protests. Hardly allowing them to get away with it here.

Mayhem

02-22-2024, 02:51 PM

So... trials over election fraud, worth boosting, and... the new gold Trump shoes possibly? :lol:

https://www.wonkette.com/p/please-please-let-trump-get-sued

Mayhem

03-03-2024, 04:38 PM

Autbot_Benz

03-03-2024, 05:07 PM

And they keep going on Biden is the one with memory problems :roll:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13150789/Donald-Trump-77-confuses-Biden-Barack-Obama-Virginia-rally-marking-time-hes-gaffe-six-months.html

ya I watched the montage from his rally yesterday on X. They were hilarious.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1764031591397904746

Mayhem

03-04-2024, 05:04 AM

ya I watched the montage from his rally yesterday on X. They were hilarious.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1764031591397904746
Yeah it was quite something else. Yeah Biden is struggling too, I have no love for the man and it's obvious we need someone under 60, please, in the White House soon.

Mayhem

03-07-2024, 04:58 AM

I thought the first rule of interviews was don't swear at journalists? Old MTG decided to throw that playbook out, fine upstanding woman there...! :lol:

https://time.com/6882104/marjorie-taylor-greene-swears-journalist-emily-maitlis-interview/

Andrew NDB

03-07-2024, 12:29 PM

I thought the first rule of interviews was don't swear at journalists?

What journalists?

Cowabung-Gal

03-07-2024, 02:35 PM

What journalists?

Yeah, I don’t see any journalists.

They’ve been extinct since the Obama age.

Mayhem

03-07-2024, 03:48 PM

Well you may think they don’t exist in the US any more (so no journalists either on Fox News huh?) but they certainly do still here. Even more surprising to see it directed at one of our leading investigators and interviewers…

Cowabung-Gal

03-07-2024, 03:59 PM

Well you may think they don’t exist in the US any more (so no journalists either on Fox News huh?)

Journalists on Faux Newz? Good one. The closest thing they had to real journalism was the Tucker Carlson show, and they booted him off the network for upsetting the wrong people.

Andrew NDB

03-07-2024, 04:14 PM

Journalists on Faux Newz? Good one. The closest thing they had to real journalism was the Tucker Carlson show, and they booted him off the network for upsetting the wrong people.

I don't agree with large swaths of what Tucker believes and touts but he's not bad at actual journalisming.

Barkworm

03-08-2024, 03:14 AM

As if any of you youtube-sheep had any idea what actual journalism is.

IMJ

03-08-2024, 01:43 PM

As if any of you youtube-sheep had any idea what actual journalism is.

Years ago I worked as a college Academic Advisor at a (barf) for-profit-College. We had one guy on our team - black guy from Kenya - the kind of guy who perceived two people on Earth - understanding allies or ignorant racists. That's it. That's who populated his world.

I rarely dug in to engage him in his nonsense - we were on-the-job after all. I remember him trying to explain and guide me in the ways of politics and governmental form (I have a Master's Degree in Public Administration, this guy was an accountant, by the way). His training included telling me, in measured beats of calmness - the kind of measured calmness that actually borders on provocation as is typical in office environments - that "NPR was a fair and balanced news source for both sides". NPR. :lol:

Mayhem

03-27-2024, 03:29 PM

Zulithe

03-27-2024, 04:10 PM

TMNT is cooler than MOTU

03-28-2024, 02:40 PM

Funny how hard Don tries to pretend he loves the Bible to woo supporters, now he's even trying to sell them... for 60 bucks a pop.

The only thing Trump worships is himself.

That's unfair. He also worships money.

TurtleManiac

03-29-2024, 04:23 PM

Holy grift Batman!

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/1241186975/donald-trump-bible-god-bless-usa

Not only is this a painfully obvious overpriced “please pay my legal and bond fees” piece of tat, but he had them printed overseas (yay you could have kept the cost money inside the US) AND breaks the Founding Fathers’ wishes to ensure religious freedom for all and maintain separation between Church and state by including the Constitution and Bill of Rights :roll:

Don Poorleone trying to make you an offer you can refuse…

Ironically, while you posted this yesterday, it was actually Biden doing the grifting, hosting a $25 million campaign fundraising event in NYC with Lizzo, Stephen Colbert, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton, charging up to $500,000 for a seat.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/28/us-news/biden-hits-nyc-for-25m-fundraiser-with-colbert-obama-clinton-as-trump-heads-to-murdered-nypd-officers-wake/amp/

Trump was also in NYC yesterday, attending funeral services for a NYC police officer that was murdered by violent career criminals.

Mayhem

03-29-2024, 05:51 PM

Ironically, while you posted this yesterday, it was actually Biden doing the grifting, hosting a $25 million campaign fundraising event in NYC with Lizzo, Stephen Colbert, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton, charging up to $500,000 for a seat.
At least it’s people who can afford it, unlike the gullible preachers worshipping Trump’s latest “fundraiser”. Anyhow “grift” means a swindle. Hmmm which one of those is it… I just cannot tell…

TurtleManiac

03-31-2024, 09:38 AM

Cowabung-Gal

03-31-2024, 09:55 AM

Happy Easter Sunday everyone! :D

“He is risen”

Happy Easter! :)

Mayhem

04-01-2024, 03:16 AM

Well tbh, the $60 bible sounds like a better deal than a $500,000 seat to see Biden & klan :lol: . Who even has that kind of money? Could only be corrupt money launderers, Bidenomics isn’t working for the average taxpayer citizen, only elite DNC billionaires.
At least the Democrat fundraiser is oblique in its nature, people buying the Bible don’t know they are getting fleeced :P

You do realise that inflation etc and other financial factors are affecting a lot of other countries at the same time, so when you says Bidenomics isn’t working, is he responsible for the issues in all the other countries too? :roll: the truth is, he must be doing somethings right, unemployment is half what it was when he entered office and the US stock market has had record highs to name but two.

Bahamut810

04-01-2024, 11:39 AM

You do realise that inflation etc and other financial factors are affecting a lot of other countries at the same time, so when you says Bidenomics isn’t working, is he responsible for the issues in all the other countries too? :roll: the truth is, he must be doing somethings right, unemployment is half what it was when he entered office and the US stock market has had record highs to name but two.

Im not going to look at the stock market yet but unemployment is about what it was when Trump was in charge before the pandemic. At best him being there didnt do anything when it came to unemployment. In general unemployment has been steadily declining for the past 14 years till the pandemic then once things opened up it has been steady. Not bad but not a huge feather in his cap considering he is bucking a good trend.

Civilian unemployment rate (https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm)

Mayhem

04-01-2024, 03:49 PM

Trying not to be cynical, given Trump’s complete mishandling of the COVID response, but I’m willing to bet long COVID after effects will be accounting for a proportion of the new long term signed off “unemployed” group. On the bright side for the figures, those people are also less likely to make it to pension age and require social security and Medicare when older…

Andrew NDB

04-09-2024, 12:47 PM

Cowabung-Gal

04-09-2024, 02:07 PM

TurtleManiac

04-09-2024, 05:15 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/apr/05/dwayne-johnson-no-biden-endorsement

The Rock, who endorsed Biden in 2020, will not be doing so again in 2024. He stops way short of saying he supports Trump but you can read between the lines a little bit.

How about endorse nobody? I mean, I’d hate to endorse someone who’s more than likely another minor toucher or sellout for the CCP. Plus, as a celebrity, you want everyone to watch your movies so why drive half of them away with politics?

Yeah, there’s already speculation that he’s just doing this to distance himself from Biden, like rats jumping off a sinking ship. Also heard rumors that he’s planning to launch his own political career in the near future and run as a fake republican. Hard to believe anyone in Hollywood actually cares and wants to fix America’s problems.

When Obama became President I didn’t care or pay attention to politics yet, but thought he seemed like a nice guy and his voice sounded just like The Rock. I was a wrestling fan and thought to myself how cool would that be if The Rock becomes U.S. President someday… now not so much.

Mayhem

04-12-2024, 12:12 PM

Andrew NDB

04-12-2024, 12:21 PM

Man who railed against voting early via mail-in ballots because he says it allows fraud... urges supporters to vote early by mailing in their ballots :roll:

That's good, that's a smart turn. It was stupid of him to decry early mail-in ballots when the democrats were pushing it everywhere in the last election. Why give them an advantage when you don't have to?

TurtleManiac

04-12-2024, 01:39 PM

Man who railed against voting early via mail-in ballots because he says it allows fraud... urges supporters to vote early by mailing in their ballots :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/trump-anti-mail-in-voting

Dems legalized it, pretty much the only way forward now, is to beat them at their own game. There will still be fraud, but the idea is that this time there will be enough legitimate votes to Trump all the illegitimate votes. Kinda makes you wonder, what may be the left’s next stunt. They’re not going down without a fight to the death.

Bahamut810

04-12-2024, 04:12 PM

Man who railed against voting early via mail-in ballots because he says it allows fraud... urges supporters to vote early by mailing in their ballots :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/trump-anti-mail-in-voting

HE has said very specifically that if someone gives you a tool to use it...like when people were going on about him being rich and he was like "Yeah, you gave me tax cuts why wouldnt I take them?"

TurtleManiac

04-12-2024, 05:28 PM

Why hasn’t Jon Stewart been indicted by Tish James, if he committed the same “crime” as Trump?

https://twitter.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1773053409685328120

Jon overvalued his NYC property by 829%, but it’s not the same, that’s (D)ifferent.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/real-estate/jon-stewart-found-to-have-overvalued-his-nyc-home-by-829/amp/

Mayhem

04-12-2024, 06:37 PM

The assessed value from a legal entity, is the value used to pay the property taxes against. Which seems to be what happened with Stewart. If someone wants to pay eight times its value for the property… that’s their choice. They didn’t have to buy it. Trump inflated the value of his properties to get leverage against loans he wanted to take out. Seemingly the real estate brokers went along with it. Otherwise he may not have been able to get them. Somewhat different scenarios here. Borrowing money by making it seem he was worth more.

Barkworm

04-13-2024, 02:52 AM

Man who railed against voting early via mail-in ballots because he says it allows fraud... urges supporters to vote early by mailing in their ballots :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/trump-anti-mail-in-voting

It's the first time in 20 years that Republicans have a realistic chance of winning the popular vote. Last time (and 2016 too), polls were looking bleak and Trump was planning to go for the voter fraud angle from the start so of course he was condemning early voting. This time he sees the chance of a clean win and tries to embrace it. That's why he's flip-flopping with other topics as well.

Andrew NDB

04-13-2024, 02:53 AM

It's the first time in 20 years that Republicans have a realistic chance of winning the popular vote.

In good margins if it was someone other than Trump himself. As it stands, he may have a good shot at winning my a lot of democrat voters just... well, not voting. I'm encountering more and more staunch democrat-leaning people who are saying that's their plan. "I can't possibly bring myself to support Trump... but I can't vote for Biden this time" and so on.

This would all be a lot more hopeful if it was someone other than Trump on the republican ticket. Even if he wins and that will be a win for... well, let's start with reality... at best you can look forward to another 4 years of the media (as in news AND entertainment) making everything another horror story about their own derangements.

Bahamut810

04-13-2024, 09:30 AM

In good margins if it was someone other than Trump himself. As it stands, he may have a good shot at winning my a lot of democrat voters just... well, not voting. I'm encountering more and more staunch democrat-leaning people who are saying that's their plan. "I can't possibly bring myself to support Trump... but I can't vote for Biden this time" and so on.

This would all be a lot more hopeful if it was someone other than Trump on the republican ticket. Even if he wins and that will be a win for... well, let's start with reality... at best you can look forward to another 4 years of the media (as in news AND entertainment) making everything another horror story about their own derangements.

Its just the second Trump vs the Least Electable situation. If the democrats had ran anyone other then Hillary way back when then Trump would never have been president the first time.

I remember before that thinking that politics had come to a state of voting against rather then voting for and that election really cemented that idea for me.

Coola Yagami

04-13-2024, 10:28 AM

Like I said, Trump won cause 'Not Hillary', Biden won cause 'Not Trump'.

Mayhem

04-17-2024, 05:27 PM

Had to chuckle here… Sleepy Don Poorleone…

https://i.imgur.com/hbW0HIV.jpeg

TurtleManiac

04-18-2024, 12:47 AM

Had to chuckle here… Sleepy Don Poorleone…

https://i.imgur.com/hbW0HIV.jpeg

Don’t you get it? He’s just trolling them. Everyone knows this is just another bogus trial, waste of time to interfere with campaigning, just sitting there listening to biased judges, and Stormy already said back in 2018 that the “hush money” rumors were false. A pic of Trump with his eyes closed that twitter bots made viral isn’t the big win you think it is. Not to mention the countless videos of Biden falling asleep, falling up and down stairs, falling off his bike, tripping and crawling around on the floor, shaking hands with ghosts etc. It’s kinda sad actually.

It’s been nearly a decade. I am convinced they have nothing on Trump. NOTHING. Maybe it is THEM who should be under investigation?

Andrew NDB

04-18-2024, 01:22 AM

I'd sleep too.

Mayhem

04-18-2024, 04:28 AM

Don’t you get it? He’s just trolling them. Everyone knows this is just another bogus trial, waste of time to interfere with campaigning, just sitting there listening to biased judges, and Stormy already said back in 2018 that the “hush money” rumors were false. A pic of Trump with his eyes closed that twitter bots made viral isn’t the big win you think it is. Not to mention the countless videos of Biden falling asleep, falling up and down stairs, falling off his bike, tripping and crawling around on the floor, shaking hands with ghosts etc. It’s kinda sad actually.
Cameras are not allowed in the courtroom (so not sure how the photos emerged, maybe the screen in the overflow room?) but there are multiple reports of him falling asleep repeatedly during the procedure. Hillary was grilled for ten hours in one particular investigation. Trump couldn't even last an hour and completely ignored any notes passed to him by his lawyer because of it.

I'm not saying anything defending Biden, but if MAGA supporters want to keep labelled him as "Sleepy Joe", I think the other side are perfectly within their rights to label Trump as "Sleepy Don" now.

Also if what you say about Stormy Daniels is correct, why is she appearing for the prosecution in the trial? Surely her saying it wasn't hush money would hurt their argument?

Autbot_Benz

04-19-2024, 01:40 PM

Cameras are not allowed in the courtroom (so not sure how the photos emerged, maybe the screen in the overflow room?) but there are multiple reports of him falling asleep repeatedly during the procedure. Hillary was grilled for ten hours in one particular investigation. Trump couldn't even last an hour and completely ignored any notes passed to him by his lawyer because of it.

I'm not saying anything defending Biden, but if MAGA supporters want to keep labelled him as "Sleepy Joe", I think the other side are perfectly within their rights to label Trump as "Sleepy Don" now.

Also if what you say about Stormy Daniels is correct, why is she appearing for the prosecution in the trial? Surely her saying it wasn't hush money would hurt their argument?

Also it appears Trump is farting a lot in court too. :lol:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1781373546297749865

What I’m hearing from credible sources is that Donald Trump is actually farting in the courtroom… I’m hearing it from actual credible people that as he’s kind of falling asleep, he’s actually passing gas and that his lawyers are really struggling with the smell.

IndigoErth

04-19-2024, 02:18 PM

Andrew NDB

04-19-2024, 02:56 PM

That'll show Trump for sure! "Look how ANGRY I am at you!" etcetera.

IndigoErth

04-19-2024, 04:07 PM

Hopefully someone will have managed to grab one of his fliers and post it online. Supposedly he's some conspiracy theorist, so... hard to assume who he is for/against but... well, we all know the conspiracy theorist stuff tends to fall more to one side of the divide than the other.

Either way, if he's conscious, bet the whack job is now regretting this life choice to set himself ablaze.

edit: Okay. Both. If a pic I saw was him then his sign shows he is anti both Trump and Biden.

Shame that adults can't be forced into therapy by family members when it's clearly needed.

ZariusTwo

04-20-2024, 08:20 AM

Just came to say that some loon supposedly decided to throw fliers or something around in a park across from the courthouse...then set himself on fire and ran into a barricade.

Just another day in America.

Update: The loon is dead. Apparently he was of the opinion Biden and Trump are secretly colluding or something and that the trial is fake.

https://deadline.com/2024/04/fire-trump-trial-1235890365/

oldmanwinters

04-20-2024, 08:56 AM

Update: The loon is dead. Apparently he was of the opinion Biden and Trump are secretly colluding or something and that the trial is fake.

https://deadline.com/2024/04/fire-trump-trial-1235890365/

Figures it was a “Florida man.”

IndigoErth

04-20-2024, 02:51 PM

So the trial itself is even "fake" and Trump and Biden were behind it just to put on a show? Wow, that is even far deeper down the conspiracy rabbit hole than most are willing to go.

Shame that anyone would lose their mind to that extent (or mentally ill all along and just chose to make politics the outlet), but guess he did society a favor by opting out and not hurting anyone but himself in the process. Too bad for his family.

Cowabung-Gal

04-20-2024, 03:47 PM

I miss the good old days when people poured ice water over themselves instead of gasoline to raise awareness.

Coola Yagami

04-21-2024, 09:33 AM

So the trial itself is even "fake" and Trump and Biden were behind it just to put on a show?

True, but isn't all politics pretty much a puppet show for adults? Half the country fighting with the other half while Trump and Biden chill on the weekend, playing golf and laughing at us.

Mayhem

04-21-2024, 02:54 PM

Figures it was a “Florida man.”
Bath salts? :trazz:

Andrew NDB

04-21-2024, 03:36 PM

I miss the good old days when people poured ice water over themselves instead of gasoline to raise awareness.

Gasoline is OG-style since the old days. And you have to at least respect it a little bit. I mean, talk about putting your money where your mouth is.

Cowabung-Gal

04-21-2024, 07:28 PM

Gasoline is OG-style since the old days. And you have to at least respect it a little bit. I mean, talk about putting your money where your mouth is.

Yeah, I have absolutely no respect for weirdos who turn themselves into birthday candles. This guy was no Thich Quang Duc. He was just another bored and depressed lunatic who craved attention and wanted to leave this world with a bang, and people have more respect for those who off themselves for a “cause” rather than just for having mental problems.

Did he live in a third world country that was being torn apart by war? No. Was his country oppressing religious groups and forcing innocent people to stand in front of the firing wall? No. He lived in one of the most privileged societies in the world and yet he still felt the need to end his own life, whereas people who have it way worse in other counties continue to fight on no matter how hard it gets.

Mayhem

04-24-2024, 04:40 AM

Mayhem

04-25-2024, 03:24 AM

Beautiful, utterly brilliant (yeah we do real satire in this country)

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1783085245505351810

Andrew NDB

04-25-2024, 11:10 AM

lol @ people still talking about Stormy Daniels in 2024. :lol:

Barkworm

04-26-2024, 03:30 PM

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1782434839901143179
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1782435223231226289

Sooooo... on the opening day, Trump's lawyers accidentally confirm the money from Trump went to Daniels, not Cohen. I'm gonna let them keep the shovels to keep digging at this point...
No Trump follower is interested in this. The uneducated simpletons who get all their information from social media believe everthing is a witch hunt while the populist hardliners who do have an education will overlook anything he has ever done because he's their most likely way to get their political ideas done.

TurtleManiac

04-30-2024, 04:38 PM

New evidence coming out that the Mar-A-Lago raid was an inside job coordinated by Biden’s DOJ

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/cover-up-exposed-judge-cannon-unmasks-redacted-documents/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/trump-slams-jack-smith-after-bombshell-documents-prove/

Man, Trump’s gotta have probably the cleanest record ever for a Presidential candidate, nearly a decade and they still can’t find anything on him.

Elise Stefanik files ethics complaint against Jack Smith for election interference

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4631023-stefanik-jack-smith-ethics-complaint/amp/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13364283/elise-stefanik-demands-ethics-probe-jack-smith-trial-2024-election.html

Mayhem

05-01-2024, 03:58 PM

New evidence coming out that the Mar-A-Lago raid was an inside job coordinated by Biden’s DOJ

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/cover-up-exposed-judge-cannon-unmasks-redacted-documents/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/trump-slams-jack-smith-after-bombshell-documents-prove/

My response to that is simply “but, but, her emails!” . Sounds like karma to me for the going after Hilary… because everyone is guilty, you just hope they don’t find out you are too… which is why Trump is spitting his dummies out over all these trials.

Mayhem

05-07-2024, 03:17 AM

TurtleManiac

05-07-2024, 10:22 PM

I love how Trump is bleating (and some of his deluded followers are parroting it zombie like) that he is being denied the opportunity to testify. You're not. Go ahead Don Poorleone, incriminate yourself. You won't dare go near the stand for that reason, but you're going to whinge regardless :roll: oh and continue to breach your gag order, will the judge actually send you to jail briefly for contempt?!

Really, wow, sounds like they’ve finally got ‘im this time, Trump’s headed to prison! :o Any day now, the walls are closing in…

Back to reality: Judge Canon has postponed Trump’s Classified Documents case because Jack Smith has admitted to tampering with evidence, aka mishandling classified documents. How many times now have Dems been found guilty of what they accused Trump of doing? The trial that was supposed to begin on May 20 has been postponed indefinitely:
https://nypost.com/2024/05/07/us-news/judge-delays-start-of-trump-classified-documents-trial-indefinitely/amp/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13391525/amp/fbi-trump-mar-lago-documents-court-indictment-president-investigation.html

The Stormy Daniels case is also falling apart again
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/stormy-daniels-blows-it-witness-stand-makes-scripted/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/update-porn-star-loses-it-court-stormy-daniels/

The haters are BIG MAD that Trump just keeps winning :lol:

Mayhem

05-08-2024, 05:44 AM

Wasn't the impression I was getting from reading the transcripts, but we know TGP is Maga ground zero. If I was getting badgered as much as she was on the stand about every minute detail, I think I'd find it hard to keep my composure as well. And given what's happened to her, I'd have disdain for Trump too regardless. She is right, in a petulent response way, he is the one who got the whole ball rolling...

IMJ

05-21-2024, 12:09 PM

OMG I'm cracking up.... Cohen. The Judge bugging up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Corrupt judge... ahahaha "GET OUT!!!!" hahahaha

Liberal hate - so deranged with a special kind of stupid or evil, that we have a dog-and-pony show hate-case based on a short-career porn star, a corrupt judge and the hope of stalling Trump from campaigning against the worst puppet-president in history.

Wasn't the impression I was getting from reading the transcripts

Surprised your commentary has been absent for the last 13 days with the daily availability of those Court Transcripts (https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/) you've been actively reading. ;)

Cowabung-Gal

05-21-2024, 12:50 PM

OMG I'm cracking up.... Cohen. The Judge bugging up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Corrupt judge... ahahaha "GET OUT!!!!" hahahaha

What a toddler.

https://y.yarn.co/b06107ea-1a7d-4800-97a8-268e19e41737_text.gif

This isn’t exactly helping the Democrats’ case against Trump. Even people who don’t like Trump can see that this is political persecution.

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IMJ

05-21-2024, 05:49 PM

What a toddler.

Right? The meltdown and complete absence of subjectivity in the situation by a judge is proof. Right there, proof.

Mayhem

05-22-2024, 04:05 AM

Surprised your commentary has been absent for the last 13 days with the daily availability of those Court Transcripts (https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/) you've been actively reading. ;)
Far more important things to be worrying about than the big orange baby sulking in a court room. Like my family, work, issues with daughter's eyesight, enjoying the nice weather we've finally been having, dad going into hospital for a possible stent, and many more...

Andrew NDB

05-22-2024, 10:43 AM

Far more important things to be worrying about than the big orange baby sulking in a court room. Like my family, work, issues with daughter's eyesight, enjoying the nice weather we've finally been having, dad going into hospital for a possible stent, and many more...

You mean on breaks while looking up from the court transcripts? :lol:

IMJ

05-22-2024, 11:31 AM

You mean on breaks while looking up from the court transcripts? :lol:

:lol::lol:

Deeply insightful court transcript research. So.... you know... credibility in what is gleaned through the hate-derangement. :lol:

Mayhem

05-22-2024, 03:03 PM

You mean on breaks while looking up from the court transcripts? :lol:
Nope, haven't looked at them in the slightest. As said, far more important things to worry about. General Election finally coming here in July too. I have barely any ideas since Stormy Daniels left the stand what's been going on, aside from Cohen spilling his guts.

Andrew NDB

05-22-2024, 03:34 PM

Wasn't the impression I was getting from reading the transcripts

Nope, haven't looked at them in the slightest.

Wait, so...

Mayhem

05-22-2024, 04:39 PM

Wait, so...
IMJ was referring to anything since I last commented on proceedings (13 days ago), not overall :roll:

Barkworm

05-23-2024, 03:31 AM

Right? The meltdown and complete absence of subjectivity in the situation by a judge is proof. Right there, proof.

Not that we‘d ever agree on the fundamental issues here but I believe you‘re right about the judge acting unprofessional. Trump and his lawyers have been acting disrespectful towards the court but as a judge you cannot throw a tantrum because someone rolled their eyes at you.

Mayhem

05-23-2024, 04:36 AM

Well the judge in the OJ trial became a bit of a celeb as a result, maybe the judge here is trying to do similar? :D

Will agree, wasn't quite how I'd expect someone presiding to behave having looked up a report of the incident.

IMJ

05-23-2024, 11:37 AM

Not that we‘d ever agree on the fundamental issues here but I believe you‘re right about the judge acting unprofessional. Trump and his lawyers have been acting disrespectful towards the court but as a judge you cannot throw a tantrum because someone rolled their eyes at you.

I think the fundamentals are different for me than they are for most people in the "fight". I immediately and almost permanently will draw the line at "simplicity" when I see human-psychological-nonsense enter the fray. And so, if you can sort of "compute" what people are getting at when they coined "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (and I know that YOU can - we've talked enough that I think you'll understand the root of it where others will be willfully obtuse) - then you have the root of what I personally take a stand against.

I hate. HATE. HATE the kind of people who hate other people so much that they will use any manipulation, any gaslight, any lie to harm the focus of their hate. And that's what I see of the left - the worst life-angry complainers of humanity throwing a child's tantrum.

And I'd say that this behavior would only be denied by the gaslighter themselves. Of course they'll never cop to it - it's the foundation of their entire outburst. These are the kinds of people who decided they didn't like you in an office and so the "crier" complains to the boss that you were "mean" and the boss is the middle ground of society and actually discusses with you even though it's obvious that you were being "Trumped".

And so anyone with a brain would see that I spend most of my conversation points out the inherent guilt of the irrational Trump-hater. But those haters won't recognize their irrationality, rather creating a circular argument - "you love Trump!" It's a classic witch-hunt led by society's punks and peasant-thinkers. Although you and I are polarized on different "sides" I have the nagging feeling that you'll 100% know and understand what I'm saying whether you say it outwardly here or not.

As for Trump himself? The only deficit in his leadership of the country is that he catalyzed the social-nut into mania. But I view that as the problem of the social-nut. We see this in grammar school - the best hitter on the team isn't liked by the most popular guy on the team and so the best hitter doesn't make the All-Stars because of social bull $#!( rather than his results. That's Trump - by every metric that mattered for a President he was killing it. But the social manipulators and peasant-thinkers got into the fray and called the game a social one at the grass roots level. It's pathetic.

I appreciate you reading all of that.

robertfiduciary

05-23-2024, 07:22 PM

Zulithe

05-23-2024, 08:11 PM

Thanks! :DYou won't be getting through to these people... but if you enjoy wasting your breath... :lol: They will never hold him to the flame over his own mess ups, and that tells you everything you need to know.

Meanwhile most dems hate Biden, especially younger ones, but will still vote for him over Trump.

FredWolfLeonardo

05-23-2024, 08:50 PM

My simplistic take on Trump vs Biden is that both are scumbags, but Trump doesn't hide it so I'm inclined to respect him more.

IMJ

05-23-2024, 10:41 PM

IMJ, what are you talking about?

"By every metric," Trump was, "killing it?"

Do you mean Americans, with his Covid policies?

Or a woman's right to choose, with his Supreme Court appointments?

Things were less expensive then, sure. But the President can do very little about inflation (no criticism here for greedy CEOs, though. Just President Biden).

So, yes. Perhaps because I'm a "peasant thinker," I would really love to know. Besides the economy (barring today, have you seen the stock market growth over the last 3+ years?), what other quantifiable numbers, which "every metric" can you point to in order to back up your claim?

And if you can't back up your claim... then, um... why are you making it again?

Thanks! :D

You know, robertfiduciary - your routinely bugged-up responses to my illustrations demonstrate that you are indeed what I describe. If you weren't, you wouldn't be so easily "triggered".

RobertFiduciary, once again triggered by having a light of truth shone on his mentality with what I've described, but then pads other truths for his fit like "things were less expensive, sure..." Evidence that discussion with you is pointless. And no you aren't a "peasant thinker" because of your ignorance about governmental function, but rather because you operate on irrational hate and delusion.

So no, I have no interest nor need to "defend my position" to you, although I certainly could. Hope that clears that up. Again, you're welcome. :D

robertfiduciary

05-23-2024, 11:29 PM

Wow! Hey, IMJ. Thanks for the response. It sure was... something.

I just want to circle back, though, to my original request. You said that "by every metric" Trump was "killing it" as President.

"Metric," according to Google, means (among other things), "a system or standard of measurement." That means, you know.

Numbers.

So, I asked you to provide some numbers to back up your claim.

You didn't.

You just insulted me. Which, you know. Is fine, I guess.

But it still doesn't answer my question.

What metrics, which is to say, what measurable numbers can you point to, in order to illustrate how much better things were under the previous President?

You said you "certainly could" provide them.

Well, I "certainly would" like to see them. If you can.

The proverbial balls in your court, man.

Looking forward to seeing those numbers.

Thanks again. Really learning a lot here!

IMJ

05-23-2024, 11:42 PM

Exactly, I didn't - and I already explained why in my last post. My points here all stand. As written. You are going to have to control your emotions and accept that. You're welcome.

I'm not here to appease what you ask of me. Control your emotions, Robertfiduciary. Control your emotions and dont act like you are in charge, reiterating orders to people whom you've never earned any respect from. All you have is Trump-hate. You've earned no respect through your board psuedonym. Make demands of your kids and that's if even they respect you, but not of me. My point stands as written. I know it's hard for you but you're going to have to control your emotions and accept that.

robertfiduciary

05-24-2024, 12:38 AM

Okay, man. Really no idea what you're going on about (although I'm sure it makes sense, in your head). My emotions are cool as a cucumber.

I asked you a question. Formally, politely.

You. Could. Not. Answer. It.

Instead, you try to distract and deflect. Control MY emotions? Friend, every post of your gives big, "I have a girlfriend, but you wouldn't know her. She... um, she lives in Canada!" energy.

Your guy is going to lose in 2024. Just like he lost in 2020.

Just like he lost the popular vote in 2016. What do you call someone who loses all the time? Oh, yeah. And just to be clear. I don't hate Donald Trump. I hate his policies. I hate what he stands for. I hate the damage he's done to the country and it's citizenry (women, minorities, insecure middle-aged men, etc).

And you, IMJ. I certainly don't hate you. But sadly, I do suspect you're going to keep projecting what is obviously your own feelings of inadequecy and "life-hate" on others (i.e. anyone who disagrees with you). When others (like me!) are actually doing quite fine. Psychology 101.

So thanks for the suggestion. But we're good.

FredWolfLeonardo

05-24-2024, 12:52 AM

I could be wrong, but I feel like Biden has so many blunders under his belt that a Trump victory is all but guaranteed.

In 2020, the environment was much different since many people did not know what a Biden term would look like. That's to say nothing of potential election fraud which I admittedly cannot prove but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

Mayhem

05-24-2024, 03:45 AM

Exactly, I didn't - and I already explained why in my last post. My points here all stand. As written. You are going to have to control your emotions and accept that. You're welcome.
You didn't, and won't, because you can't back it up. Simple as. I at least posted a list earlier about what I saw good and bad that Trump had achieved during his Presidency. A lot more bad things for sure.

Just for clarify, here's what I put in the other thread...

PLUS
Weirdly, he actually ended up increasing funding for Obamacare.
Let many states legalise cannabis for medical use.
Improved health care equipment use.
Aid for farmers.
Operation Warp Speed (albeit see below)
Improving some trade
Some sanctions against Russia

CON
Made the country the most partisan it has ever been on political lines.
Left the position with the second lowest rating ever (behind Dubya).
Manipulating the Supreme Court appointments so Roe vs Wade could be overturned.
Mishandled COVID responses and lockdowns, resultiong in hundred of thousands of unneeded deaths.
The failure of the wall.
Tripled the national debt.
Reduced safety laws and payments for overtime.

And I'm going to put this one outside of the headers, as I'm not sure which it really falls under. Aside from focussing on illegal immigration, Trump also made it harder for legal immigration too.

Autbot_Benz

05-30-2024, 04:08 PM

Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

The New York Times
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Breaking News: Donald Trump was found guilty of all 34 counts in his Manhattan trial, making him the first former president to become a felon.

Mayhem

05-30-2024, 04:13 PM

He’s obviously going to appeal, but this is a marker statement from the jury in the run up to the election. Cue cries of rigged, libtard judges et al from the rabid MAGA zombies.

IndigoErth

05-30-2024, 04:25 PM

Head still cloudy from dental work, but at least the numbing helps make for a good smirk...

Mayhem

05-30-2024, 04:27 PM

Todd Blanche, Trump's lead lawyer, tells Justice Merchan there is "no reason that the court should allow the verdict" because of Michael Cohen's testimony.

He says "perjury was committed" - claiming Cohen lied on the stand.

Justice Merchan then denies their motion to move for an acquittal of charges.
You mean for the same reason Cohen went to prison on Trump’s behalf previously? :roll:

ResidentEvil7

05-30-2024, 04:36 PM

I ****ing hate Democrats because of what they've done to America, Trump and his supporters for years! They have never accepted America as a great nation and they NEVER accepted Trump as an elected president; in fact they stole 2020 from him, using COVID and mail-in ballots to rig it!

First it was Hilary who wouldn't accept her loss, then Biden stole 2020, and now he's rigging 2024, to which he knows he's losing!

And just now as I write, my IL governor JB Pritzker said "Donald Trump is a racist, a homophobe and a grifter, and stupid and ignorant." I say to JB to shut his fat head mouth up! I never take you and your lying hate filled Democrat party seriously!

Mayhem

05-30-2024, 05:08 PM

Well the grift part is right, literally minutes after the verdict, there’s pleads on Truth Social for people to donate to “fight the system”. Where’s all your money now Sleepy Don?

Interesting there’s been absolutely no mention of an appeal yet, in fact the defence asked for the sentencing date to be delayed due to the action in Florida, to which the prosecution agreed (so set for July 11th).

RaphaelinSTL

05-30-2024, 08:34 PM

Lock him up.

FredWolfLeonardo

05-30-2024, 10:05 PM

I feel like him being found guilty was inevitable.

Now whether this will harm him or benefit him is what interests me. My prediction is that many far-right voters will only support him even more, because "the system is against our guy".

Myself personally, I still believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils.

CyberCubed

05-30-2024, 10:16 PM

Trump is 77, he'll probably die soon. He's in poor health and all this stress has to be taking a toll on him. Not to mention he's never had a healthy diet his whole life. It's time some of you let him go.

Iroh

05-30-2024, 11:14 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

05-31-2024, 12:15 AM

I guess I'm one of the few that through everything. All of this is just an act for the gullible. It's the same with the Johnny Depp/Heard trial. America is in the most gullible and vulnerable state where most of the people will fall for everything. In reality, we're about to enter into a new world war. Businesses are closing down and the cost of living is becoming unbearable. This trial was nothing but another form of entertainment for those who believe Trump will be locked up for his crimes. He's not. The presidency has always been a joke since Washington because it's the British and the satanic organizations in hidden places that are pulling the strings. I'm so tired of seeing Trump and Biden for as long as I live. We need a competent leader who is younger and more alert. Not geezers that look like they just want to go home and sleep.

You are smart. If only more people wake up and realise who is really pulling the strings of the United States, then real action can be taken.

Trump is controlled opposition. He says things that irritates the establishment, like a burglar who ruins the heist for the rest.

That does not change that he is one of them.

Trump expected to lose in 2016, but went white as a ghost and was horrified when he didn't.That should tell you what Trump's role is.

Mayhem

05-31-2024, 04:49 AM

You are smart. If only more people wake up and realise who is really pulling the strings of the United States, then real action can be taken.
Well it's certainly not us :lol: far more likely to be Russia and/or China...

ZariusTwo

05-31-2024, 05:34 AM

it's the British and the satanic organizations in hidden places that are pulling the strings.

...Count Binface is running America? I can believe it.

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Iroh

05-31-2024, 07:27 AM

The future of America will be discussed after the wild sex orgies and the molech rituals at Bohemian Grove this year on July 4th. After all, this is the place where the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima was discussed at before it happened. It wasn't at an office, the white house, or the Pentagon. It was conducted at the place of sin. If Count Binface is at Bohemian Grove this year, I guess you were right, ZariusTwo! ROFLMAO!

Coola Yagami

05-31-2024, 10:28 AM

So I guess ol' Don is finally cooked. Even with appeals, there's no way he can get all 34 counts appealed.

I don't know about actual prison time, but it's time for Trump to pull out that pocketbook. Assuming his followers don't pay on his behalf with all these sneakers, NFTs, gold bars, bibles, and whatever else he's peddling. Maybe Trump steaks will make a comeback?

Andrew NDB

05-31-2024, 10:41 AM

So I guess ol' Don is finally cooked. Even with appeals, there's no way he can get all 34 counts appealed.

He can, but we're looking at long, long past the election before this is all settled up. We're talking exhausting courts at the state level which have already shown us which way they'll lean before going to the federal level (a lot of this hinges on a federal crime that was never actually brought forward to begin with), where the whole thing can be thrown out.

I'm of several minds about this. One, well... it wouldn't be much of a show trial if there wasn't going to be a conviction, would it? There was always going to be a conviction. Two, someone other than Trump on the republican ticket would be a good thing and a more swallowable pill to independents or people on the fence so if this leads to that, great (but I don't think it will lead to that). Three, a lot of talking heads on the right are saying this is a great thing, that this vindicates Trump in a lot of people's head and proves that the left has weaponized the government to go after Trump. Which they have, blatantly, but I don't have one iota of faith that the "average person" -- whether on the left or in the middle -- has that as a takeaway. Maybe some, but this sounds a lot like the hopeful, "Pffft, Roe V Wade being struck down won't hurt the vote this election cycle at all!" and we saw how that went.

IMJ

05-31-2024, 11:08 AM

:lol:
Looks like our next President will be a felon.... :lol:
omfg

It's like when you have that $#!( boss and they hate you so they throw anything at the wall they can until something sticks to get you fired with malice. :lol:

Mayhem

05-31-2024, 11:08 AM

I did have a chuckle about some of the less obvious consequences to all this. A convicted criminal cannot serve in the military, so he'd be able to dodge that again, but more practically, some countries don't allow convicted felons in - not ideal for a President. Also, they cannot vote, so at the very least, that's one less vote for himself! :lol:

Mayhem

05-31-2024, 11:18 AM

This is a case where, if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone
Yes, anyone accused of trying to falsify why they paid off a hooker.

These are bad people. These are, in many cases, I believe, sick people.
So basically not wanting anyone non white to move to the US at all.

“It all comes out of the White House. Crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our country. He’s the worst president in the history of our country, the most incompetent, he’s the dumbest president we’ve ever had. He’s the dumbest president, most incompetent president, and he’s the most dishonest president we’ve ever had,” Trump said.
Only one of you has been convicted of anything (yet), though...

“We’re going to be appealing this scam. We’re going to be appealing it on many different things,” Trump said. Referring to judge Juan Merchan, Trump said, “He wouldn’t allow us to have witnesses, he wouldn’t allow us to talk, he wouldn’t allow us to do anything. The judge was a tyrant.”
He let you take the stand that you backed out from... not sure you're going to be able to appeal all 34 though. And total BS about no witnesses, as usual.

Andrew NDB

05-31-2024, 11:59 AM

I did have a chuckle about some of the less obvious consequences to all this. A convicted criminal cannot serve in the military, so he'd be able to dodge that again,

As in, if this doesn't get overturned and he goes back in time to when he was under 25? They don't draft over 25 and you can't even enlist in anything if you're over 35.

FredWolfLeonardo

05-31-2024, 01:46 PM

Well it's certainly not us :lol: far more likely to be Russia and/or China...

While I wouldn't believe that the British government itself is pulling the strings, a group of people hiding within all of the mentioned nations (Britain, Russia, China) is certainly involved in shaping their respective government policies.

Mayhem

05-31-2024, 02:47 PM

*snort* sadly true of so many right now…

https://i.imgur.com/otIBd0q.jpeg

As in, if this doesn't get overturned and he goes back in time to when he was under 25? They don't draft over 25 and you can't even enlist in anything if you're over 35.
Satire, dear lord, satire, given he dodged serving when he was young enough…

Andrew NDB

05-31-2024, 03:14 PM

Satire, dear lord, satire, given he dodged serving when he was young enough…

That's a pretty bone-headed use of satire, if so. That's like taking a woman in her 20s who, say, famously adopted away her kids very early, then when she's like 75 and well past menopause you make the "satire," "HAH! Imagine when she has kids now! HAHAHAHAH!"

That's not the way this works. That's not even the way humor in general works.

FredWolfLeonardo

05-31-2024, 08:09 PM

*snort* sadly true of so many right now…

https://i.imgur.com/otIBd0q.jpeg

The image is actually very true. Many Trump supporters don't realise that Trump was never going to arrest Hillary, their "lock her up" chants fell on deaf ears.

Republicians and Democrats are closer than what some might think. They'll attend the same parties, serve the same interests and commit the same crimes, but people will still be fooled when they put on a show election.

Bahamut810

05-31-2024, 10:37 PM

Unless we decide to throw out our constitution he will be acquitted on all charges on (probably) the next appeal. He has a 6th amendment right to an impartial Jury which is impossible for him to have at this point in our society.

As it stands he got hit with 34 counts of falsifying records because he was being blackmailed. The Judge instructed the Jury of 3 potential legal violations that would make changing those records illegal and instructed the jury that if they thought any of those fit they should vote guilty.

Does that matter? No...all juries are going to come in an find him either innocent or guilty due to how they feel about him.