Donald Trump Hush money trial

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently Big Poppa Trump is getting arrested on Tuesday without bail. Not sure what the charge is but I heard it's some misdemeanor since they can't catch him on any larger crime.

Apparently the word online (other than mass celebration) is that is Trump gets indicted, it'll backfire horribly for the woke crowd and end up securing his 2025 win.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Wow. They’re getting desperate.

Also Trump’s calling for his supporters to protest. Here we go again…:roll:

[RaphaelinSTL]

Lock him up.

[ChosenOne]

"I'll get you next time!" - Every villain ever, every single time.

[Vegita-San]

Wow. They’re getting desperate.

Also Trump’s calling for his supporters to protest. Here we go again…:roll:

yep, they literally had too CHANGE THE LAW for this too happen. welcome to the american CCP.

[IndigoErth]

Is there updated news of it being true? All I'd heard was it was just something he was claiming and little else to back it up. Maybe it could be true, but knowing him there's probably also an equal chance that he's BSing to stir up supporters, at least those who buy right into it before/without evidence of it being true.

[Aaronardo]

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Just to throw it out there, the only person publicly making this claim as of now is Trump.

[ChosenOne]

Is there updated news of it being true? All I'd heard was it was just something he was claiming and little else to back it up. Maybe it could be true, but knowing him there's probably also an equal chance that he's BSing to stir up supporters, at least those who buy right into it before/without evidence of it being true.

Put it like that and it sounds like the same good faith-based arguments from the left that we're supposed to buy about the 2020 election being legit and the China virus vaccines working as intended.

[Sir5R]

Lock him up.

For what exactly? [Note: I didn't vote for him either time as he is just as bad as every other politician, out for themselves & F we the people...]

Or where you jesting?

[IndigoErth]

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Just to throw it out there, the only person publicly making this claim as of now is Trump.
Goodness, he is nothing if not a drama queen for life. :tlol:

That definitely reads the same way as how he was acting before the last election, afraid that he'll be on the losing end and is busy padding his ego and framing it up as being a victim if it really comes to pass. On top of stirring people up in hopes that they'll protest and run in and defend their king once again, just like the cannon fodder he believes them to be. If most anyone else kept doing that people would easily note it as very pathetic behavior.

We shall see, I guess.

[ChosenOne]

For what exactly?

For keeping world peace and a smooth economy going for four years, apparently.

[Sir5R]

For keeping world peace and a smooth economy going for four years, apparently.

Such a crying shame, all that, right?

[ChosenOne]

Such a crying shame, all that, right?

Absolute hell, I tell you! Good thing Uncle Joe came along to save us all, starting with Afghanistan.

[Andrew NDB]

They're really trotting out Stormy Daniels stuff again? lol...

[Galactus]

I'm still somewhat skeptical that it will happen. I've seen no official word on this and it seems that it originated from Trump's own camp first his legal team claiming he would surrender (to avoid getting arrested) and then from Trump himself suggesting he would not surrender to the law and asking his supporters to protest but I have a feeling that this is all one big stunt. He gets his base all riled up, his ultra idiotic supporters show up to stop his arrest and when no one shows up he can claim it was because they were intimated by the MAGAs and claims a moral victory.

Still if he is ever going to be indicted for anything it was always going to be for something like this. It was never going to be for the multitude of major crimes it's already been proven he committed but rather something relatively minor that doesn't necessarily require prison time and doesn't leave too much taint on the office of president or rile up his supporters too much...good luck with that as he seems to be intent on weaponising his army of chuds (You'd think after the last time he asked his supporters to protest they tried to violently overthrow the government he'd be more careful).

If this is real I imagine the discrepancy on whether he will be arrested or will surrender willingly is his team working out which will play better with his base; to look the 'bigger' man by co-operating with the investigation or be escorted out which he hopes will make him look like a matyre. Much as I think the former is better all round I have to admit the mental image of Trump being dragged out of Mar-a-Lago KFC hanging from his jows and Guiliani being held back ranting that it's all a witch hunt is just too funny.

[ChosenOne]

Clean-up on aisle four! Someone spewed up a metric sh*tton of hateful bile all over the place.

[RaphaelinSTL]

I have to admit the mental image of Trump being dragged out of Mar-a-Lago KFC hanging from his jows and Guiliani being held back ranting that it's all a witch hunt is just too funny.

God, one can only dream.

[ChosenOne]

God, one can only dream.

Yes. On and on and on. :)

[neatoman]

What are the charges exactly?

[Galactus]

What are the charges exactly?

Unconfirmed. Like I said we even really know if he will be arrested this week. Allegedly it's to his payoff of Stormy Daniels with his campaign money which constitutes fraud.

[ChosenOne]

What are the charges exactly?

Unconfirmed. Allegedly. Sources say... Does it really matter? It's Trump, get him!

:roll:

[Sir5R]

I'm still somewhat skeptical that it will happen. I've seen no official word on this and it seems that it originated from Trump's own camp first his legal team claiming he would surrender (to avoid getting arrested) and then from Trump himself suggesting he would not surrender to the law and asking his supporters to protest but I have a feeling that this is all one big stunt. He gets his base all riled up, his ultra idiotic supporters show up to stop his arrest and when no one shows up he can claim it was because they were intimated by the MAGAs and claims a moral victory.

Still if he is ever going to be indicted for anything it was always going to be for something like this. It was never going to be for the multitude of major crimes it's already been proven he committed but rather something relatively minor that doesn't necessarily require prison time and doesn't leave too much taint on the office of president or rile up his supporters too much...good luck with that as he seems to be intent on weaponising his army of chuds (You'd think after the last time he asked his supporters to protest they tried to violently overthrow the government he'd be more careful).

If this is real I imagine the discrepancy on whether he will be arrested or will surrender willingly is his team working out which will play better with his base; to look the 'bigger' man by co-operating with the investigation or be escorted out which he hopes will make him look like a matyre. Much as I think the former is better all round I have to admit the mental image of Trump being dragged out of Mar-a-Lago KFC hanging from his jows and Guiliani being held back ranting that it's all a witch hunt is just too funny.

God, one can only dream.

You two should seek professional help. Seriously. J6 wasn't even trespassing... We the People own the place. You probably applauded the riots/fires of 2016-2019.

[Turo602]

You two should seek professional help. Seriously. J6 wasn't even trespassing... We the People own the place. You probably applauded the riots/fires of 2016-2019.

Shut the f*ck up.

[Sir5R]

Shut the f*ck up.

Tough guy behind a keyboard. Violent tendencies... seek help, seriously. Your BP must be out of this world.

[Turo602]

Tough guy behind a keyboard. Violent tendencies... seek help, seriously. Your BP must be out of this world.

Which previously banned dipsh*t are you?

[ChosenOne]

You two should seek professional help. Seriously. J6 wasn't even trespassing... We the People own the place. You probably applauded the riots/fires of 2016-2019.

Maybe even started some.

Tough guy behind a keyboard. Violent tendencies... seek help, seriously. Your BP must be out of this world.

That’s from all the vigorous masturbating to CNN tonight.

[Sir5R]

Maybe even started some.

Certainly seems like it from that violent outburst. I can agree to disagree with the guy but cussin at me seems a bit much. Hair trigger, maybe. Don't they have red flag laws is Chiraqu?

[Turo602]

That’s from all the vigorous masturbating to CNN tonight.

Coming from a Trump worshipping cuck. Very much more likely you masturbate to this sh*t than anyone else on this forum. Aside from this other generic right wing user who can talk sh*t to others but cries like a f*cking liberal because he's told to shut the f*ck up. Both of you, f*cking pussies.

[ChosenOne]

Coming from a Trump worshipping cuck. Very much more likely you masturbate to this sh*t than anyone else on this forum. Aside from this other generic right wing user who can talk sh*t to others but cries like a f*cking liberal because he's told to shut the f*ck up. Both of you, f*cking pussies.

Your eloquence is astounding.

[Jester]

Which previously banned dipsh*t are you?

If my curciary IP search is to be believed then he's mrmaczaps.

Buh-bye.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Lock him up.

While you’re at it, lock him up. And her up. Heck, lock all of the warmongering crooks at D.C. up.

[ChosenOne]

While you’re at it, lock him up. And her up. Heck, lock all of the warmongering crooks at D.C.

Start with Kissinger or bust.

[Stu_Padasso]

Start with Kissinger or bust.

Proof that the Nobel Peace Prize is meaningless.

I don’t see how this’ll do anything but reinvigorate Trump’s supporters by making him a martyr. I suspect that this about the media creating another “insurrection” in order to discredit him amongst those who still believe what the talking meat puppets tell them to believe. But I don’t know how much that would work. At this point, pretty much everyone has made up their mind.

All I can say is that IF you do plan on protesting, be very careful. Watch out for the glowing ones.

[TurtleManiac]

Trump was right about everything. In reality they’re not after Trump, they’re after all of us, he’s just in the way.

[IndigoErth]

https://i.imgur.com/Nm4Zpb2.gif

[ChosenOne]

Trump was right about everything. In reality they’re not after Trump, they’re after all of us, he’s just in the way.

You're not kidding. Plus, Trump says he'll end the war, meanwhile DeSantis intimates that he'd turn his back on Ukraine while innocent civilians die. F*ck DeSantis.

https://i.imgur.com/Nm4Zpb2.gif

Sorry, what was that? Something about LGBTQIXTADGHBVXCTPLQWOUNRU and climate change and two weeks to flatten the curve? Turn the damn loudspeaker off, no one can hear you with that thing.

[Sumac]

Coming from a Trump worshipping cuck. Very much more likely you masturbate to this sh*t than anyone else on this forum. Aside from this other generic right wing user who can talk sh*t to others but cries like a f*cking liberal because he's told to shut the f*ck up. Both of you, f*cking pussies.
You are not well. I'd recommend anger management. :ohwell:

[Turo602]

You are not well. I'd recommend anger management. :ohwell:

Okay, Technodrome Forums troll. I'll take your recommendation into consideration.

[IndigoErth]

Sorry, what was that? Something about LGBTQIXTADGHBVXCTPLQWOUNRU and climate change and two weeks to flatten the curve? Turn the damn loudspeaker off, no one can hear you with that thing.

https://i.imgur.com/1zuSdPI.jpg

[ChosenOne]

https://i.imgur.com/1zuSdPI.jpg

Well, dang. That's you on that ubquitous screeching lib meme from the 2016 election night, innit?

[IMJ]

https://i.imgur.com/1zuSdPI.jpg

HAHAHA :lol: I've gotta see the actual video of that $#!( right there.... :lol::lol:

[Galactus]

g_Pu57d3tTY

If I recall she made a few videos in a similar vein but her last one she admitted she'd fallen for the Q stuff and the idea that Trump was some messianic figure that was trying to save America from the evil leftists and had longterm plans to seize power again. The Biden inauguration was a few peoples first realisation they'd been scammed.

Sadly there are still a lot of people out there that are still under Trump's spell...a few of them can be found on this board.

[ChosenOne]

And then everyone clapped...?

I wonder what those people felt when they saw American servicemen get left behind in Afghanistan and stopped being able to put food on the table for their children and pay for gas while staring down the barrel of a nuclear war.

Speaking of spells, I hear Kenyan witchdoctors is where it’s at! Guaranteed to last for over a decade!

[RaphaelinSTL]

g_Pu57d3tTY

If I recall she made a few videos in a similar vein but her last one she admitted she'd fallen for the Q stuff and the idea that Trump was some messianic figure that was trying to save America from the evil leftists and had longterm plans to seize power again. The Biden inauguration was a few peoples first realisation they'd been scammed.

Sadly there are still a lot of people out there that are still under Trump's spell...a few of them can be found on this board.

There's a hilarious edit of this goofball that put in toilet sounds in as if they were taking a **** while filming. Very appropriate for Trump's fanbase.

[Galactus]

And then everyone clapped...?

I wonder what those people felt when they saw American servicemen get left behind in Afghanistan and stopped being able to put food on the table for their children and pay for gas while staring down the barrel of a nuclear war.

Probably not good and would criticise Biden for it...then the sane ones would criticise Trump also since Biden followed the plan to pull out of Afghanistan that Trump had arranged to the letter. It takes an especially disingenuous person to overlook the guy who planned the evacuation and heap all the blame on guy who carried it out.

Technically the US economy is better under Biden than it was under Trump. One thing though is that there is little Presidents can do about gas prices. I don't know what people think Trump would do about the war in Ukraine other than call his pal Vlad and sternly tell him to cut it out.

Speaking of spells, I hear Kenyan witchdoctors is where it’s at! Guaranteed to last for over a decade!

I've said it before that I doubt Trump will end up in prison but if he does I hope they hang a framed copy of Obama's birth certificate on the wall of his cell.

[ProphetofGanja]

Start with Kissinger or bust.

Start with the bankers and everything else will follow

https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/27/a0/a0/27a0a08e7916612f8df31a66a16210f4.jpg

[abolish the federal reserve]

[ChosenOne]

There's a hilarious edit of this goofball that put in toilet sounds in as if they were taking a **** while filming. Very appropriate for Trump's fanbase.

You're not wrong, we love to flush libbies down the toilet.

Probably not good and would criticise Biden for it...then the sane ones would criticise Trump also since Biden followed the plan to pull out of Afghanistan that Trump had arranged to the letter. It takes an especially disingenuous person to overlook the guy who planned the evacuation and heap all the blame on guy who carried it out.

Technically the US economy is better under Biden than it was under Trump. One thing though is that there is little Presidents can do about gas prices. I don't know what people think Trump would do about the war in Ukraine other than call his pal Vlad and sternly tell him to cut it out.

I've said it before that I doubt Trump will end up in prison but if he does I hope they hang a framed copy of Obama's birth certificate on the wall of his cell.

If you really believe that was Trump's evacuation plan "to the letter" instead of Biden's idea of a free-for-all with no safeguards to hold the Taliban in check, I have a bridge to sell you.

Yes. His pal. According to a disproven and discredited source, quietly swept under the rug so as to not further embarrass the Democrats. The same pal, mind you, who went on a term-long break of his invasion of Ukraine and took zero advantage of the asset he allegedly went to so much trouble to install in the White House, all while Trump went around warning everyone of the dangers of a weak NATO and buying Russian energy. Yes. His pal.*

Who said anything about Obama? How did you get Obama from that? Oops...

* - Safe to say we Europeans have a much clearer perspective on these things than you folks over yonder.

[IMJ]

g_Pu57d3tTY

If I recall she made a few videos in a similar vein but her last one she admitted she'd fallen for the Q stuff and the idea that Trump was some messianic figure that was trying to save America from the evil leftists and had longterm plans to seize power again. The Biden inauguration was a few peoples first realisation they'd been scammed.

Sadly there are still a lot of people out there that are still under Trump's spell...a few of them can be found on this board.

Galactus - I know you have difficulty with this from... wherever your opinions are founded from, okay? But nutjobs like that woman in the video are in the far, far minority of right sided people. This whereas a significant amount of the left are fixated on things like "genders" and " sexuality scales" or inventing racism as excuses for life-failure. Okay?

See, these right sided-nuts go out and want the promise of a strong America and a nurturing environment for opportunity. The left sided nuts want handouts and make excuses about opportunity and routinely demand to even the playing field with "socialism" arguments because they aren't making anything of themselves. At all.

The right sided nuts have been threatened and called evil by the left sided nuts for years and this resulted in the right-sided nuts bugging up ONE time at the capital. The left sided nuts were burning down cities and marching on peoples homes for months on end, all in "rage" at a guy with a loud-mouth who actually did nothing to them.

So if we have to be galvanizing, I think it's very clear that on the misguided spectrum of people, the people on the left are as close to inherently evil manipulators as you are going to get. I'd take the broken down flag waiver on the right anyday over the loud mouth prick calling people "racists" and throwing bricks and turning over squad cars in city streets.

See, one is misguided, the other is evil. You've chosen to target the misguided and align yourself with evil people who are gaslighting a loud-mouth that we had as President. Again, you are your own galvanized leftist nut, so you are either going to "reality up" or you are going to dig-in, but "your side" is a finger pointing, life-angry hate-group going after the small-thinkers who ultimately are waiving flags in Alabama and asking for economic inflow for their own work.

That's the reality. The left is deranged and largely evil almost as a complete spectrum. The right is littered with regular people living their lives who understand the foundational virtues of the country - all the way until you get to the end of the spectrum where the emotional nuts reside like in that hysterical video. Basically one group is largely made up of well-adjusted America trying to live good lives while the other is largely made up of America's complainers and excuse makers who basically are saying that life is to hard for them, so take away from everyone else so they can have more.

Again, you have been one of the forums deranged nuts. I don't expect you to cop to anything I'm pointing out here. All of you remaining leftists on this board - stop being f'n simps on no other fact than you hear the word "racism" and you immediately believe all of it and jump right in to demonstrate your elitist virtue. Look around your f'n peer group for God's sake. You aren't right. The left is a group of haters more than anyone I've ever known on the right is. Stop denying it for God's sake.

[Galactus]

So you you want me to think that the political right is full of just regular people trying to live their lives save for a few bad apples but the left is entirely evil to the core?

Just out of curiosity what exactly about the left is it that you think is evil? Wanting greater social security for those less fortunate? Wanting various degrees of nationalised healthcare and industry? Acknowledging the existence of systemic racism? Defending the rights of marginalised groups? Pushing for environmentally friendly policies? The people advocating for these kinds of things do so because they believe it will be of be benefit to the world but you say they are all evil.

IMJ - I know you have difficulty with this from... wherever your opinions are founded from, okay? The truth is that the woman in the video is more representative of the right that you're making it. I've pointed out before that polling showed the majority of registered Republicans believed in at least some of the q-anon bullsh*t and there were enough of them to attempt an violent insurrection on January 6th. While there are genuinely evil people on the right (a not insignificant number of them) I don't think that woman in the video or even most of the insurrectionists are evil, they've been brainwashed by decades of right wing propaganda even before Trump and some dudes on the internet told them an evil cabal of satan worshiping pedophiles had stolen an the election. January 6th wasn't exactly an isolated incident. Protests can get out of hand but right wing protests go south to the extremes of killing people in a way that left wing ones rarely do. Almost every mass shooting in the US that was politically motivated was done so was done by a right wing person. Just look at how the left handled having an election actually stolen from them (Gore vs Bush) there was civil disobedience sure but no one was killed for it.

Speaking of which; no one is gaslighting poor Trump. We're talking about a guy who colluded with a foreign power to influence an election, tried to steal another election, planned a violent insurrection to stop the peaceful transition of power and stole nuclear documents among many other crimes. You don't think this guy should face some of justice? I've spoken before about the reasons why former presidents have their crimes go unpunished but this guy's crime are so numerous and off the scale compared to any of his predecessors surely he has to face some consequences. If anything it's going easy on him just going after him for the Stormy Daniels stuff although I'm certainly hoping if this indictment is real prosecutors feel confident to go for more.

The whole argument that Trump was a loud mouth that didn't hurt anyone is ridiculous. He based his entire campaign on demonising Mexicans and Muslims and now Trans people. He implemented policies which legitimately hurt people and even now two of the US's biggest problems (the banking collapse and the Palestine rail crash) were caused by him dismantling protections that were put in place to prevent these things. That is stuff worth getting upset about not pronouns or your favourite pop culture thing having slightly more diversity.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Just out of curiosity what exactly about the left is it that you think is evil? Wanting greater social security for those less fortunate? Wanting various degrees of nationalised healthcare and industry? Acknowledging the existence of systemic racism? Defending the rights of marginalised groups? Pushing for environmentally friendly policies? The people advocating for these kinds of things do so because they believe it will be of be benefit to the world but you say they are all evil.

You forgot promoting for the permanent sterilization and mutilation of children even without their parents’ approval; letting young children into Christmas drag shows that are very erotic; censoring classic books like Goosebumps for “modern audiences”, even without R.L. Stine’s permission; allowing biological men to compete against biological women in sports, sometimes ending in life-threatening injuries for the female athletes; bringing back racial segregation in schools and colleges, but they call it “safe spaces” to make it sound less controversial; funding wars that could end in a nuclear apocalypse, which AOC got called out for by progressives; teaching black children to resent their white classmates because of “white privilege”; harassing and threatening a Muslim mother and her family for pointing out the danger of letting a stranger talk to kids on the Internet behind their parents’ backs; forcing millions of people to take a certain drug or else they would lose their jobs and punishing those who dared to speak about the lab-leak theory; I could go on and on.

Evil does not care about politics.

[Galactus]

You forgot promoting for the permanent sterilization and mutilation of children even without their parents’ approval; censoring classic books like Goosebumps for “modern audiences”, even without R.L. Stine’s permission; allowing biological men to compete against biological women in sports, sometimes ending in life-threatening injuries for the female athletes; bringing back racial segregation in schools and colleges, but they call it “safe spaces” to make it sound less controversial; funding wars that could end in a nuclear apocalypse, which AOC got called out for by progressives; teaching black children to resent their white classmates because of “white privilege”; harassing and threatening a Muslim mother and her family for pointing out the danger of letting a grown man talk to kids on the Internet behind their parents’ backs; forcing millions of people to take a certain drug or else they would lose their jobs and punishing those who dared to speak about the lab-leak theory; I could go on and on.

Evil does not care about politics.

There is no forced sterilization of children or mutilation of children. For trans kids who want to physically transition you have to have permission from their parents and have a psychological assessment and no irreversible surgery is carried out on minors.

The the whole transwomen competing in female sports was one of the few things I sided against the common consensus of trans allies...until I read up on how multiple sports organisations actually bar cis women from competing if they are found to have a higher level of testosterone than they feel they should have because they believe it makes their bodies more masculine ie: more muscle, thicker bones etc. Surely that is unfair and would advocate for including them but surely if we're allowing a woman deemed to have a masculine body to compete then it becomes harder to argue against including trans women also. If the transwomen in question has transitioned early and didn't go through male puberty the problem goes away entirely. To be honest this is not a priority for me or most trans people. It's a barely nothing issue the right has tried to turn into a bigger deal than it.

In regards to editing books. I don't really agree with it but I also don't think it's a huge deal if the owners of an IP wants to do it so they continue to sell to schools. Sometimes if you want to operate in a space like a school you have to follow their rules. Compare this to a certain Florida governor and likely leader of the Republican party outright banning books and lest we forget which side has a longstanding reputation for book burning. I think Conservatives are worse on this issue.

It's bizarre to me that 'safe spaces' are seen as a new thing or even a left thing. The concept of having an environment were people can be themselves without fear of any kind of prejudice is one that stretches back decades. Black people who faced segregation were forced against their will to live away from white people. It's not segregation if no one is forcing anyone to use these 'safe spaces'.

Racism still exists in society, systemic racism is a thing and white people to have certain cultural privileges over other races. A good example is how more white people smoke weed yet more black people are arrested for possession of marijuana. Acknowledging this is not pitting white kids against black kids. It's teaching facts in the hopes that the next generation will be better in this regard.

What is your answer to the war in Ukraine? Simply let Putin take over? Trust me if Ukraine falls to Putin that is bad for the whole western world. Short of putting boots on the ground (which might escalate things to Nuclear war) it's the correct thing to do to financially and militarily support Ukraine. C'mon you guys used to love war...or is it just illegal ones you support?

Most people on both sides have suspicions about the true origins of Covid-19. Personally I'm open minded on the subject but disagree on the way the language used to describe it. Let's say it really way a case of something that originated in animals and jumped to humans previous forms of covid originated in this way in other parts of the world including the US. There is nothing intrinsically bad about Chinese people or culture that led to that. suggesting so does seem prejudiced. If it was created in a lab are we really that naive to think that every other major power isn't likewise developing their own bio weapons.

As for the vaccines. If businesses want to ensure their workers are vaccinated that's the free market. If you're in favour of small government we shouldn't be telling them what to do. Vaccines only work if a significant portion of the population has them. It's a public health issue not a private one anyway.

Seems to me that when you boil it down your 'evils' of the left don't seem that evil at all.

[Cowabung-Gal]

There is no forced sterilization of children or mutilation of children. For trans kids who want to physically transition you have to have permission from their parents and have a psychological assessment and no irreversible surgery is carried out on minors.

The the whole transwomen competing in female sports was one of the few things I sided against the common consensus of trans allies...until I read up on how multiple sports organisations actually bar cis women from competing if they are found to have a higher level of testosterone than they feel they should have because they believe it makes their bodies more masculine ie: more muscle, thicker bones etc. Surely that is unfair and would advocate for including them but surely if we're allowing a woman deemed to have a masculine body to compete then it becomes harder to argue against including trans women also. If the transwomen in question has transitioned early and didn't go through male puberty the problem goes away entirely. To be honest this is not a priority for me or most trans people. It's a barely nothing issue the right has tried to turn into a bigger deal than it.

In regards to editing books. I don't really agree with it but I also don't think it's a huge deal if the owners of an IP wants to do it so they continue to sell to schools. Sometimes if you want to operate in a space like a school you have to follow their rules. Compare this to a certain Florida governor and likely leader of the Republican party outright banning books and lest we forget which side has a longstanding reputation for book burning. I think Conservatives are worse on this issue.

It's bizarre to me that 'safe spaces' are seen as a new thing or even a left thing. The concept of having an environment were people can be themselves without fear of any kind of prejudice is one that stretches back decades. Black people who faced segregation were forced against their will to live away from white people. It's not segregation if no one is forcing anyone to use these 'safe spaces'.

Racism still exists in society, systemic racism is a thing and white people to have certain cultural privileges over other races. A good example is how more white people smoke weed yet more black people are arrested for possession of marijuana. Acknowledging this is not pitting white kids against black kids. It's teaching facts in the hopes that the next generation will be better in this regard.

What is your answer to the war in Ukraine? Simply let Putin take over? Trust me if Ukraine falls to Putin that is bad for the whole western world. Short of putting boots on the ground (which might escalate things to Nuclear war) it's the correct thing to do to financially and militarily support Ukraine. C'mon you guys used to love war...or is it just illegal ones you support?

Most people on both sides have suspicions about the true origins of Covid-19. Personally I'm open minded on the subject but disagree on the way the language used to describe it. Let's say it really way a case of something that originated in animals and jumped to humans previous forms of covid originated in this way in other parts of the world including the US. There is nothing intrinsically bad about Chinese people or culture that led to that. suggesting so does seem prejudiced. If it was created in a lab are we really that naive to think that every other major power isn't likewise developing their own bio weapons.

As for the vaccines. If businesses want to ensure their workers are vaccinated that's the free market. If you're in favour of small government we shouldn't be telling them what to do. Vaccines only work if a significant portion of the population has them. It's a public health issue not a private one anyway.

Seems to me that when you boil it down your 'evils' of the left don't seem that evil at all.

Well, actually, you’re wrong about the…

You know what? Forget it. It’s not worth it. I’d get less frustrated playing chess with an actual pigeon.

Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov was right about demoralization:
https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

[Sumac]

Probably not good and would criticise Biden for it...then the sane ones would criticise Trump also since Biden followed the plan to pull out of Afghanistan that Trump had arranged to the letter. It takes an especially disingenuous person to overlook the guy who planned the evacuation and heap all the blame on guy who carried it out.

Technically the US economy is better under Biden than it was under Trump. One thing though is that there is little Presidents can do about gas prices. I don't know what people think Trump would do about the war in Ukraine other than call his pal Vlad and sternly tell him to cut it out.
You are a total puppet. Biden made ****, but Trump responsible. Somehow...

But it was obvious that leftoids won't take responsibility for anything and will just blame Trump like good brainwashed puppets they are.

[TurtleManiac]

I wonder how much student loan debt the average nevertrumper owes. It must cost a pretty penny to become so indoctrinated. Meanwhile the banks are collapsing under Biden.

[Sumac]

Wanting greater social security for those less fortunate?
Subsidizing maladjusted communities from pockets of workers. Amazing idea, except it doesn't work.
Those communities are basically create more criminals and drug addicts and they should be dealt with education and preventive measures, not putting even more money in mouths of hungry and angry do-no-gooders.

Wanting various degrees of nationalised healthcare and industry?
State corporations are not very effective. Just look at any country, which had tried to implement them. State bureaucracy is not effective or flexible enough to provide fast or quality solutions to people. In the best case scenario you will get ****** and slow services, which can't implement new technologies, because, it requires too many bureaucratic hoops to jump through and managers won't bother with it.
Just look at COVID pandemic for example - it were not state corporations which come with a vaccines.

Acknowledging the existence of systemic racism?
Speculative fiction.
If it did exist US still would've been in the 50s.

Defending the rights of marginalised groups?
And those are?
Let me guess, subsidized "minorities" and various "gender specials"?
First, are already previliged and sometimes even untouchable by police or anyone else, second - are just bunch lunatics, most of which are in it for attention and power.
There are poor people who need more attention and money than those groups.

Pushing for environmentally friendly policies?
Which most of the time is as damaging as regular ones.
Look at how solar panels are made.

The people advocating for these kinds of things do so because they believe it will be of be benefit to the world but you say they are all evil.
Most of those things are either dumb, misguided or not working in practice.
So, not so much evil, just stupid and looking for an easy solution, while ignoring realty and trying to find easy scapegoats (White people) to blame for everything, including their own failures.

The truth is that the woman in the video is more representative of the right that you're making it.
The truth is not for you lunatics to decide.
Especially, when you yourself deny science and logic. Just look at the trans inanity.

Protests can get out of hand but right wing protests go south to the extremes of killing people in a way that left wing ones rarely do. Almost every mass shooting in the US that was politically motivated was done so was done by a right wing person. Just look at how the left handled having an election actually stolen from them (Gore vs Bush) there was civil disobedience sure but no one was killed for it.
You are even more brainwashed than possible.

Speaking of which; no one is gaslighting poor Trump. We're talking about a guy who colluded with a foreign power to influence an election
Which was not proven.

tried to steal another election
Totally not like DemRats with their "voting by letters initiative.

planned a violent insurrection to stop the peaceful transition of power and stole nuclear documents among many other crimes.
Ah, yes, bunch of idiots storming capitol is "violent insurrection", cities being burned and looted - peaceful protests. How do you not choking on your own lies?
What about Biden documents? Were they are not stolen?

He based his entire campaign on demonising Mexicans and Muslims and now Trans people.
You don't need to do a lot to demonize Muslims and Trans.
Especially Trans - just look at them and their "ideology" and its clear they are deranged dangerous attention seeking monsters.

He implemented policies which legitimately hurt people and even now two of the US's biggest problems (the banking collapse and the Palestine rail crash) were caused by him dismantling protections that were put in place to prevent these things. That is stuff worth getting upset about not pronouns or your favourite pop culture thing having slightly more diversity.
You are insane.
Not evil, just deranged.

[ChosenOne]

Don't feed the troll, folks!

[Coola Yagami]

The left is who's pretty much embracing systemic racism. They just don't shut up about it and do whatever they can to 'keep it going' so they have something to blame their own failure on.

They're the types to see a white kid and a black kid playing and having fun and run up to the black kid and remind him he's supposed to hate the white kid and stop being his friend cause reasons.

Racism is a learned trait, and the left seems to revel in teaching everyone to do it.

I remember my grade school was all Hispanics until they transferred in a black kid. Everyone made fun of him though my young naive sheltered self personally didn't 'get it'. Like sure, he was different but like he was a chill dude and we got along. Last thing I needed back then was some wackadoo 'teaching me' why I should also be making fun of the kid, or someone teaching the kid to hate Hispanics from now on.

[IndigoErth]

So Trump may have been blowing drama queen stories out his ass to make the Rightists react and get all riled up, and probably hope they'd throw money at him? No way! Who could have possibly seen that coming!

No fair teasing people and getting their hopes up. lol Though not as unfair as using reactionary clowns that will blindly run to his defense without ever questioning his stories.

[Andrew NDB]

No fair teasing people and getting their hopes up.

That has never stopped them before, though.

"THIS IS IT!!! This is the time they're gonna get him!! I can feeeeel it!!" and so on.

[ChosenOne]

No fair teasing people and getting their hopes up. lol Though not as unfair as using reactionary clowns that will blindly run to his defense without ever questioning his stories.

What did Barry promise this time?

[Warhorse]

LOL! These people are just nuts. But this is also scary to see the political bias going after this guy. Just saying, for some of you who thinks this is funny, it's not. It's Trump today. Next year it could be all white men. The year after that, all non rich men persecuted, then the women and children. Just saying, Trump being elected in 2016 was about the same time that Brexit happened. The people spoken and they are done with the globalist agenda and want to get back to their nationalistic roots. And the globalists are hell bent in trying to stop it.

[Mayhem]

LOL! These people are just nuts. But this is also scary to see the political bias going after this guy. Just saying, for some of you who thinks this is funny, it's not. It's Trump today. Next year it could be all white men. The year after that, all non rich men persecuted, then the women and children. Just saying, Trump being elected in 2016 was about the same time that Brexit happened. The people spoken and they are done with the globalist agenda and want to get back to their nationalistic roots. And the globalists are hell bent in trying to stop it.
The problem came re Brexit when half of all the physical business in the UK was to other EU countries. Suddenly making that ten times as hard surprise surprise, ramps up the costs, paperwork and charges then passed on the customers, who rightly vote with their wallets instead and not bother.

Not helped either by the corresponding EU law that import taxes everything coming into the EU from outside the EU regardless of value. Designed to hurt Russian and Chinese resellers, it hurts everyone else in the process.

[Coola Yagami]

So once again a big nothing burger except for Zaps outting himself.

Figured it was too good to be true.

[ChosenOne]

So once again a big nothing burger except for Zaps outting himself.

Must be Tuesday. Pun intended.

[Mayhem]

Of course, the orange baby was the only one saying it to rile up his supporters and grift more donations for a supposed legal fight.

[AquaParade]

Of course, the orange baby was the only one saying it to rile up his supporters and grift more donations for a supposed legal fight.

Trump and his followers were the only ones claiming he’d be arrested?

[ChosenOne]

Of course, the orange baby was the only one saying it to rile up his supporters and grift more donations for a supposed legal fight.

I guess all those leftist incels over on Reddit must be Trump supporters, then.

[IMJ]

Of course, the orange baby was the only one saying it to rile up his supporters and grift more donations for a supposed legal fight.

I don't know if it's that as much as the guy has become so paranoid after years of accusations and political persecution that he thought he saw it coming and bugged up...

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

LOL! These people are just nuts. But this is also scary to see the political bias going after this guy. Just saying, for some of you who thinks this is funny, it's not. It's Trump today. Next year it could be all white men. The year after that, all non rich men persecuted, then the women and children. Just saying, Trump being elected in 2016 was about the same time that Brexit happened. The people spoken and they are done with the globalist agenda and want to get back to their nationalistic roots. And the globalists are hell bent in trying to stop it.

LOL

"Won't someone think of the poor billionaires?!"

If anything, they'll start lynching gays and blacks again. Rope will be 50% off at Home Depot!

[Cowabung-Gal]

If anything, they'll start lynching gays and blacks again. Rope will be 50% off at Home Depot!

So…more Jussie Smollett cases?

It’ll be Helter Skelter!

[Mayhem]

Trump and his followers were the only ones claiming he’d be arrested?
The only person claiming Trump would be arrested was himself. I heard no other person or judisory saying so.

[Andrew NDB]

The only person claiming Trump would be arrested was himself. I heard no other person or judisory saying so.

He wasn't claiming he'd be arrested. He recounted what had been relayed to him.

[TurtleManiac]

So he’s clean? For like, what, the 1,000th time? :lol:

I mean what do people expect, he’s not a lifelong crooked career politician like some of those in DC. Imagine what would be found if there was even half as much effort put into investigating them.

[Andrew NDB]

It seems the E-mail recently discovered of Michael Cohen's where he said he wasn't reimbursed for anything threw a big monkey wrench into proceedings, if there even was going to be any at all.

[Autbot_Benz]

Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York: Live Updates
Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[joe-eyeball]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Just saw that and it’ll be interesting to see what exactly the charges will be and if it will eventually go to trial. We already know that however it shakes out it will not prevent him from continuing his campaign at all. Whether this ultimately hurts his campaign is anybody’s guess but it probably won’t derail it.

[Andrew NDB]

Whether this ultimately hurts his campaign is anybody’s guess but it probably won’t derail it.

It could only 100% help it. "They're coming after me!" and now they actually did, over some frivolous stuff from years ago. This is mostly just to show the base that "we're trying to get him! Really we are! Keep voting for us and we'll keep trying!" and to get those deeply sought pictures of him being frog-marched in handcuffs into a cop car, but that was never in the cards.

[joe-eyeball]

It could only 100% help it. "They're coming after me!" and now they actually did, over some frivolous stuff from years ago. This is mostly just to show the base that "we're trying to get him! Really we are! Keep voting for us and we'll keep trying!" and to get those deeply sought pictures of him being frog-marched in handcuffs into a cop car, but that was never in the cards.

I can see a scenario where it could help him. I certainly don’t think it will actually do much to hurt him given the timing of this plus the fact that it’s looking like his criminal activity may only amount to a misdemeanor under New York law. Also the star witness against him is a disgraced attorney convicted of multiple federal crimes. And most importantly for Trump’s campaign is the fact that none of this process including a conviction of the alleged crime can constitutionally disqualify him to run for President.

[ChosenOne]

Couldn't charge him with littering, I guess.

[Autbot_Benz]

Alvin Bragg
@ManhattanDA


https://i.imgur.com/SrcJfxt.png

[TurtleManiac]

A Soros-backed DA trying to bring down Trump. Shocking. If only the Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens would get the same treatment.

Persecuting political opponents, that’s very 1930’s Germany. Don’t they see that their plan backfired and they’ve already made Trump into a martyr?

[Vegita-San]

they don't realize that this thing is dead on arrival and it's only looking like nazi germany.

[Galactus]

I think getting indicted does help him in the Republican primaries but in all likelihood he was going to win those anyway.

I don't think it makes much difference either way to a general election. Unlike a lot of his brainwashed chuds who think he's some upstanding guy whose never done anything wrong unaffiliated voters that swung for Trump in either of the last two elections knew he wasn't a saint. He was caught on tape bragging about cheating on his current wife so him sleeping with a porn star shouldn't be a shock and paying her off with campaign money would likely not be seen a big enough crime to put them off voting for him...ironically if he was no-name running in their state as a senator it definitely would. Now if this (as I hope) emboldens other prosecutors to go after him for other more serious stuff then yes he could be in trouble with voters. Now that they will have his DNA they could finally investigate him for those multiple allegations of rape since he's so far refused to co-operate by giving them a sample.

A Soros-backed DA trying to bring down Trump. Shocking. If only the Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens would get the same treatment.

Persecuting political opponents, that’s very 1930’s Germany.

The District Attorney isn't funded by George Soros. That's just flat out made up and parroted by right wing grifters. Y'know sometimes I forget that George Soros is a real person. The way the right wing talk about him like he's some evil mastermind behind everything in a Saturday morning cartoon like Dr Klaw or something. In reality he's just an insanely rich dude that donates money to political causes he agrees with. No different to any number ultra rich right wingers who fund the Tea Party and the like. Half of the supposed "independent" right wing media on youtube is funded by the Koch Brothers...well only one of them now as one of them died and is probably rotting in hell waiting for the other.

BTW this is only like 1930s Germany if Trump is innocent which he isn't.

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently the overall sentiment for the left is a lot of 'HA! GOT IM!' while anyone else, right or otherwise feel that they pretty much handed him the 2025 election.

[Vegita-San]

and you also have that idiot speaker of the house sending condolences too the shooter and trans community. she's not helping their case.

[ChosenOne]

BTW this is only like 1930s Germany if Trump is innocent which he isn't.

Judge, jury and executioner IN! DA! HOUSE! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Coola Yagami]

and you also have that idiot speaker of the house sending condolences too the shooter and trans community. she's not helping their case.

oh god.... they just can't help making it all about them, can they?

[Sumac]

Bush and Obama got scot free for their war crimes, but Trump is arrested for paying a porn star. Amazing "justice" you Americans have. It is almost like there is some people with agenda.

and you also have that idiot speaker of the house sending condolences too the shooter and trans community. she's not helping their case.
It certainly will make trans more popular and admired
*sarcasm

He was caught on tape bragging about cheating on his current wife so him sleeping with a porn star shouldn't be a shock and paying her off with campaign money
A horrible crime affecting thousands and millions. :lol:
Yeah, its illegal and immoral, but it is literally nothing. Clinton was getting his dick sucked in White House while being a president from the staffer and it didn't hurt him and his wife chances at power (she successfully tanked herself by being dumb and arrogant bitch).

Also, using "chuds"? What are you, 12 year old autistic dumb****?

BTW this is only like 1930s Germany if Trump is innocent which he isn't.
If your arguments are retarded bring on Nazi analogy, to scare people into submission.
You do know that Godwin's law in a thing, right?
All right, I forgot you are brainwashed zealot...everyone's are Nazis who disagree with you: me, this person, that person, your Mom, your Brother, that cat, that fridge, list goes on...you are pathetic.

[Mayhem]

He wasn't claiming he'd be arrested. He recounted what had been relayed to him.
Funny how this "information" hasn't been disseminated in any other way by anyone else... almost like... he could have been making it up... no proof, no nothing there to me.

Having said that, I just read apparently there will be an inditement and he may appear in court next Tuesday, so he was right about the day, just not the actual Tuesday in question then.

[Andrew NDB]

Funny how this "information" hasn't been disseminated in any other way by anyone else... almost like... he could have been making it up... no proof, no nothing there to me.

Except here we are. It's happening. Maybe you're behind in the news.

[AquaParade]

I’m exhausted with the left. Hard to believe how far they’ve fallen.

[joe-eyeball]

I’m exhausted with the left. Hard to believe how far they’ve fallen.

I’m exhausted with the left and right! Bunch of public service millionaires that absolutely don’t care about anyone other than themselves! But in all fairness I do like the left even less than the right because the right are mostly just inept but the left believes they can fix every single problem with our society with more regulation! Completely out of touch with reality

[Cowabung-Gal]

I’m exhausted with the left.

Who isn’t? Even the corporations that cater to their every whim can’t stand them.

[Stu_Padasso]

I can’t believe I’m saying this, never thought I’d do it, but I’m changing my party registration from Libertarian to republican just long enough to vote for Trump in the primaries.

No love for any party and Trump is an asshole, but if they are doing this then he might be the asshole we need.

[AquaParade]

I can’t believe I’m saying this, never thought I’d do it, but I’m changing my party registration from Libertarian to republican just long enough to vote for Trump in the primaries.

No love for any party and Trump is an asshole, but if they are doing this then he might be the asshole we need.

I respect the ability to change your mind in itself. That’s hard for anyone these days, because it’s easy to get entrenched in a stance.

I’ve never affiliated with a party but I hope Trump beats Biden at this point. I do not trust the current admin at all and everything feels wrong politically right now.

I really don’t look forward to Trump though. Love him or hate him, because that’s all most people can do. He’s so divisive that even if I prefer him to Biden, I’m still not looking forward to going back to the 24/7 controversy train surrounding everything he says and does.

But again, I’ll take that over Biden. I’m afraid for what this country will look like in another few years with him as president.

I’m exhausted with the left and right! Bunch of public service millionaires that absolutely don’t care about anyone other than themselves! But in all fairness I do like the left even less than the right because the right are mostly just inept but the left believes they can fix every single problem with our society with more regulation! Completely out of touch with reality

That’s fair too. I’m more focused on the left lately because of the Biden admin, I suppose.

[ChosenOne]

I really don’t look forward to Trump though. Love him or hate him, because that’s all most people can do. He’s so divisive that even if I prefer him to Biden, I’m still not looking forward to going back to the 24/7 controversy train surrounding everything he says and does.

Indeed, controversy surrounding everything he says and does, not in everything he says and does. As in, artificially generated controversy so he'll seem far, far worse than he actually is. A loudmouth does not a dictator make.

Remember those four years with no wars, zero inflation and low gas prices? With Russia and the Taliban and Iran and NK keeping their heads down? Those were the left's greatest nightmare, as evidenced by how hard they tried to subvert Trump's actions every step of the way. That tells you all you need to know and remember about them.

[Cowabung-Gal]

136 YEARS?? For a bookkeeping error??

Look, love or hate Trump, you have to admit, this is FREAKIN’ RIDICULOUS to say the least.

CNN ran a poll asking people if they thought this whole thing was politically motivated, and most of them said yes. Then CNN asked them whether they approved or disapproved, and most of them said they approved.

Hoo boy. Scary.

[Andrew NDB]

Basically the dems will get exactly what they want here, even when all the charges go away. Trump will be thrust into the republican nomination and then will lose to Biden again. They really, really want Trump-Biden II because they feel like -- and they're probably right -- that Biden would beat him again, especially now. They've set the stage.

[Mayhem]

https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1643336535981400065

[ChosenOne]

Basically the dems will get exactly what they want here, even when all the charges go away. Trump will be thrust into the republican nomination and then will lose to Biden again. They really, really want Trump-Biden II because they feel like -- and they're probably right -- that Biden would beat him again, especially now. They've set the stage.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The polls are pretty clear. Even independents are overwhelmingly saying they are pro-Trump getting indicted. These people aren't going to suddenly turn around and vote for the guy later on.

[oldmanwinters]

https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1643336535981400065

That one is funny.

[AquaParade]

136 YEARS?? For a bookkeeping error??

Look, love or hate Trump, you have to admit, this is FREAKIN’ RIDICULOUS to say the least.

CNN ran a poll asking people if they thought this whole thing was politically motivated, and most of them said yes. Then CNN asked them whether they approved or disapproved, and most of them said they approved.

Hoo boy. Scary.

Wow. That’s something.

[ChosenOne]

The polls are pretty clear. Even independents are overwhelmingly saying they are pro-Trump getting indicted. These people aren't going to suddenly turn around and vote for the guy later on.

Remember the polls that said Hillary would win in 2016? People are tired of war and inflation under Biden.

[TurtleManiac]

The polls are pretty clear. Even independents are overwhelmingly saying they are pro-Trump getting indicted. These people aren't going to suddenly turn around and vote for the guy later on.

Is that the CNN poll they were also saying that most Americans felt it was politically motivated, and so this would gain more support for Trump.

2020 was sketchy as hell. At least half the country believes the election was rigged and Biden is an illegitimate President. I just don’t see how Biden could legitimately win a rematch after the entire world has collapsed as soon as Biden took over: the XL pipeline shutdown, the Afghanistan disaster, historic inflation, the supply shortage, the Ukraine disaster, etc etc who would want 4 more years of this? It’s almost like as if Biden knows “the fix is in” again, back in November he said “we must stop Trump from taking power”. This was while the failed J6 sham was still going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1642984137765302272

Spoken like a true dictator, persecuting political opponents.

“No one is above the law” as they keep saying is complete BS when one side controls everything and gets away with everything. If Trump legitimately lost 2020 they wouldn’t be digging up old boxes of documents at Mar-A-Lago and now having a corrupt Soros-backed commie DA upgrading misdemeanors to felony just to try and “get Trump”. That same DA lets violent criminals terrorize NY. This sets a terrible precedent of what they’ve got planned for America’s future.

[Andrew NDB]

Is that the CNN poll they were also saying that most Americans felt it was politically motivated, and so this would gain more support for Trump.

Only within the republican party. This won't translate to votes, especially with independents and moderates. "I'm a victim" rallies the guard around him and most likely the nomination, but that's all. Even if it's true.

[AquaParade]

Is that the CNN poll they were also saying that most Americans felt it was politically motivated, and so this would gain more support for Trump.

2020 was sketchy as hell. At least half the country believes the election was rigged and Biden is an illegitimate President. I just don’t see how Biden could legitimately win a rematch after the entire world has collapsed as soon as Biden took over: the XL pipeline shutdown, the Afghanistan disaster, historic inflation, the supply shortage, the Ukraine disaster, etc etc who would want 4 more years of this? It’s almost like as if Biden knows “the fix is in” again, back in November he said “we must stop Trump from taking power”. This was while the failed J6 sham was still going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1642984137765302272

Spoken like a true dictator, persecuting political opponents.

“No one is above the law” as they keep saying is complete BS when one side controls everything and gets away with everything. If Trump legitimately lost 2020 they wouldn’t be digging up old boxes of documents at Mar-A-Lago and now having a corrupt Soros-backed commie DA upgrading misdemeanors to felony just to try and “get Trump”. That same DA lets violent criminals terrorize NY. This sets a terrible precedent of what they’ve got planned for America’s future.

Well said.

Luckily, if Andrew is predicting Biden gets more votes next election, then the opposite will likely happen.

[Coola Yagami]

So this kinda died down. Like, is the trial still ongoing, has he even set foot in a jail cell yet?

[Andrew NDB]

has he even set foot in a jail cell yet?

Of course not. That was never even a possibility. And he won't even have another court date until December.

[ChosenOne]

Of course not. That was never even a possibility. And he won't even have another court date until December.

Not even then, as there's a very high chance that it'll be postponed into oblivion.

Yep, they got him now! /s

[TurtleManiac]

Wasn’t this the “gotcha” moment they were all fantasizing about for years? In their minds, this was the arrest. I saw liberals on twitter celebrating that Tuesday when they showed a picture of Trump in the courtroom, that was their grand victory they were calling that the arrest, even seen some leftwing headlines saying things like “first US President to get arrested” etc.

Last I heard they handed the baton back to Letita James, trying to get him now on some other charges, not sure what. And not sure what’s going on with Alvin Bragg but there seems to be alot of conservatives now calling for his arrest.

[Sumac]

Wasn’t this the “gotcha” moment they were all fantasizing about for years? In their minds, this was the arrest. I saw liberals on twitter celebrating that Tuesday when they showed a picture of Trump in the courtroom, that was their grand victory they were calling that the arrest, even seen some leftwing headlines saying things like “first US President to get arrested” etc.
Leftards like lemmings - not only they live in their own world inside their heads, but they also don't remember everything past BIG EVENTS. Say, if Trump will be acquitted a lot of them won't even know it had happened, because, in their la-la land he was arrested which means he was convicted.

Also, consider they don't care about facts and logic as long as they can play role of judge, jury and executioner, when i comes to people they hate.

[Coola Yagami]

eh, I'm sure Trump will see jail time. After his second presidency.

[ChosenOne]

eh, I'm sure Trump will see jail time. After his second presidency.

I too like a good joke.

[Coola Yagami]

I too like a good joke.

Yeah. He'll probably never see jail time.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. He'll probably never see jail time.

Why would he? They aren't even listing a crime in these charges.

[Mayhem]

Crimes, yes. Crimes that can result in jail time, not really.

[ChosenOne]

Yeah. He'll probably never see jail time.

As for the other bit, well... Wait and see.

[Mayhem]

No comment or thread here about the fact Fox News capitulated before the trial even started against Dominion, and agreeing to pay out $800M? Hmmm :ohwell: guess Rupert decided he didn't want to be grilled.

Won't shut up people claiming the election was stolen mind you...

[Sumac]

No comment or thread here about the fact Fox News capitulated before the trial even started against Dominion, and agreeing to pay out $800M? Hmmm :ohwell: guess Rupert decided he didn't want to be grilled.

Won't shut up people claiming the election was stolen mind you...
Doesn't mean there were no machinations.

[Mayhem]

Doesn't mean there were no machinations.
Well, hard to prove, why pay up before it even begins if you’re sure there were?

[ChosenOne]

No comment or thread here about the fact Fox News capitulated before the trial even started against Dominion, and agreeing to pay out $800M? Hmmm :ohwell: guess Rupert decided he didn't want to be grilled.

Won't shut up people claiming the election was stolen mind you...

Taking hush money doesn't mean nothing untoward happened. Exhibit A: Stormy Daniels.

Will shut up when the "time skip" on election night and the monkey business with the vote count are convincingly explained away. Not before.

[Sumac]

Well, hard to prove, why pay up before it even begins if you’re sure there were?
Who knows. I am not part of either company.
Maybe Fox News just doesn't want to tangle into this crap.

[ChosenOne]

Who knows. I am not part of either company.
Maybe Fox News just doesn't want to tangle into this crap.

Not to mention maybe they're implicated as well, given who first broke the news of Biden's "win" long after the last states were decided, and all of that would come out in court... A house divided.

[The Deadman]

If it's Biden/Trump II, Trump is going to win because everyone and their mother hates Biden.

[ChosenOne]

If it's Biden/Trump II, Trump is going to win because everyone and their mother hates Biden.

Biden may have seemed like an alternative before people experienced his "leadership" first hand. Now? With the economy and the world in shambles? Forget about it. This literally never happened to the other guy.

[Cowabung-Gal]

If it's Biden/Trump II, Trump is going to win because everyone and their mother hates Biden.

“Buh-Buh why?? Everything’s fine in America!”

Meanwhile, more and more of our neighbors are buying chickens.

[Andrew NDB]

If it's Biden/Trump II, Trump is going to win because everyone and their mother hates Biden.

You would think, but that's not the way it's looking at all. Independents are even more annoyed at Trump than before, and to most in the actual left Trump is still actual Hitler. So even if they despise Biden, they still wouldn't give Trump any quarter.

[Cowabung-Gal]

You would think, but that's not the way it's looking at all. Independents are even more annoyed at Trump than before, and to most in the actual left Trump is still actual Hitler. So even if they despise Biden, they still wouldn't give Trump any quarter.

Sure, a lot of people pretend to hate Trump because it keeps the woke mob off their backs, or maybe they really do hate the guy, but they’ll secretly vote for him because they care more about affordable food and housing than they do about the feelings of blue-haired weirdos. And when Trump gets back into office, they’ll go, “I didn’t vote for him! Blame the Republicans!”

Being progressive (whatever that word means anymore) may be “cool” and all, but it doesn’t put bread on the table, and when push comes to shove, the People will do anything to survive, even go against their morals.

[IMJ]

Peasant thinkers believe whatever narrative fits their view of the world. And so if the people walk through life believing that racism has oppressed them, then they will look for information to reinforce their personal status-quo. It's confirmation bias.

And so, if the leftist media narrative becomes "Trump is a racist", then regardless of the evidence that's what the countryside peasants believe.

That's how you mobilize your bottom-feeders into action - you lie to them according to a story that will encourage their low-level outrage and point them at an enemy. It's been that way all throughout history. And here's the thing about the peasant-thinker - it will always work because these people live in a circumplexic world of their own nonsense. It will never fail. Ever. Their thoughts and worldview will always bring them right back to wherever they started so as to do it all over again.

You can always count on a given societies peasant-population of @$$holes.

[Sumac]

I think that Trump might not win, but Republicans has a good shot with all the chaos going on in the world and lunacy of the Left.

[Andrew NDB]

Anyone but Trump himself has a pretty good shot from the republican aisle.

And so many times IRL I'll stumble into these super awkward conversations where someone (I'd say morons, but a lot of these people aren't bad people, they're just... relaxed thinkers) will casually mention that Trump js a racist. I'll challenge it with something like, "OK, where was he being racist? How?" And invariably they dissolve into blubber, like they've never even posed the question to themselves. At best they'll stammer out something about "well, he doesn't like Mexicans! Everyone knows that" and then they don't have any good answer for why the desire for a closed, secure border can = racism.

[robertfiduciary]

Never heard of the Central Park Five, or the ad DJT placed in the newspaper about the case?

Or the fact he wouldn’t recant his accusations after he was proven so very, very wrong?

Or how he constantly refers to black men as “animals?”

Must be nice, Fox News. Must. Be. Nice.

Anyone but Trump himself has a pretty good shot from the republican aisle.

And so many times IRL I'll stumble into these super awkward conversations where someone (I'd say morons, but a lot of these people aren't bad people, they're just... relaxed thinkers) will casually mention that Trump js a racist. I'll challenge it with something like, "OK, where was he being racist? How?" And invariably they dissolve into blubber, like they've never even posed the question to themselves. At best they'll stammer out something about "well, he doesn't like Mexicans! Everyone knows that" and then they don't have any good answer for why the desire for a closed, secure border can = racism.

[ChosenOne]

Must be nice, the Kool-Aid. Must. Be. Nice.

[Bahamut810]

Never heard of the Central Park Five, or the ad DJT placed in the newspaper about the case?

Or the fact he wouldn’t recant his accusations after he was proven so very, very wrong?

Are you talking about the case where he was pushing for the death penalty on people who pled guilty of a brutal gang rape in 1989, a full 20+ years before his presidency?

When I looked into what he said about that was that he stood by his statement and then when people brought it up he never called them gang-rapists again...he called them muggers which they were. At least I cant find anywhere where he did.

Or how he constantly refers to black men as “animals?”

"Black Men" or people in gangs that commit crimes and contribute to their 50+% gun murder rate in the USA? This is the same argument people try to use when they would try to say he was racist over the wall.

This *kills* me, BTW. I don't like Trump. I don't think he is an honorable or decent person. I just don't like it when people make these false claims because they want to justify their feelings about him.

[robertfiduciary]

Not a single false word in my claim, sir.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

Worth reading.

[Andrew NDB]

The logic: "These animals!" when talking broadly about criminals = "most of them are statistically black so he must be specifically talking about black people!" And about the border = "most of those are Mexicans, so he must be racist there, too!"

Utterly stupid.

[robertfiduciary]

Oh, wow. You got me. I am off to the burn unit after that. :roll:.

I'm sure he was also speaking "broadly" about District Attorney Alvin Bragg?

You know. A specific (black) dude.

And who can forget President Obama's birth certificate!

Something, something, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

The logic: "These animals!" when talking broadly about criminals = "most of them are statistically black so he must be specifically talking about black people!" And about the border = "most of those are Mexicans, so he must be racist there, too!"

Utterly stupid.

[ChosenOne]

Are Pelosi, Schumer, Acosta, Brandon, Rosie O'Donnell and McCain, just off the top of my head, black as well? 'Cause Trump has a go at a lot of people and yet you're only singling out the POCs, so maybe you're the racist.

[Mayhem]

That's how you mobilize your bottom-feeders into action - you lie to them according to a story that will encourage their low-level outrage and point them at an enemy. It's been that way all throughout history. And here's the thing about the peasant-thinker - it will always work because these people live in a circumplexic world of their own nonsense. It will never fail. Ever. Their thoughts and worldview will always bring them right back to wherever they started so as to do it all over again.
Which, I'll remind you, applies to all sides. Plenty of evidence of that at Trump rallies as well. Some of them are bottom feeders.

[Sumac]

Alvin Bragg?
But he is a obsessed retard of highest order.

[Cowabung-Gal]

And who can forget President Obama's birth certificate!

Something, something, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

I don’t care about Obama’s birth certificate or his skin color, but I do care about the fact that he’s a corrup, smooth-talking weasel. If Trump is to be thrown in jail, then so should Obama. During his warmongering reign, the guy killed a 16 year old U.S citizen after ordering a drone airstrike on a restaurant in Yemen. And don’t even get me started on the “Fast and Furious” scandal.

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[TurtleManiac]

Never heard of the Central Park Five, or the ad DJT placed in the newspaper about the case?

Or the fact he wouldn’t recant his accusations after he was proven so very, very wrong?

Or how he constantly refers to black men as “animals?”

Must be nice, Fox News. Must. Be. Nice.

Oh, wow. You got me. I am off to the burn unit after that. :roll:.

I'm sure he was also speaking "broadly" about District Attorney Alvin Bragg?

You know. A specific (black) dude.

And who can forget President Obama's birth certificate!

Something, something, denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Can’t tell if you’re race-baiting or if you are actually racist yourself…

Who wrote the 1994 crime bill that harmed the black community? Who said the n word on live TV? Who held hands with KKK klansmen Robert Byrd?

Hint: it wasn’t DJT. It was the current guy.

And this whole “Trump is racist” cult that you’re in only started when he ran for President against the Democrats and won. Most celebs who influence you are paid shills. Follow the money.

[Mayhem]

And this whole “Trump is racist” cult that you’re in only started when he ran for President against the Democrats and won.
People were saying Trump was racist and everything else said today back in the 80s and 90s, just with quieter voices and less outlets to shout it about.

[Andrew NDB]

People were saying Trump was racist and everything else said today back in the 80s and 90s, just with quieter voices and less outlets to shout it about.

How old are you? Ish? Just curious, in quantifying that. I don't mean as an attack. Because I have my own anecdotal stuff from the 80s and 90s I recall a bit of what "the adults" were saying about him.

[IMJ]

The people who call Trump a "racist" do nothing but cite fringe commentary and spin world play for the context they want.

There is actually more concrete evidence out there that Trump has done things for Black People than the there is the fringe "evidence" by haters going through life twisting interpretations to fit their meaning. i.e., Trump going on about Obama's birth certificate is not "racism". Trump criticizing a person who is black is not "racism". Once again these things are more indicative of the worldviews of people like Mayhem and RF than Trump being a "racist".

Basically you guys are so full of $#!( that you must be.... -ahem- brown. And that would make sense too - because the new racism is to call people "racists", but I don't expect people who are dug-in on their own "nonsense to prove" to wrap their heads around that.

[Galactus]

Well he was once successfully sued for discrimination because he wouldn't rent his properties to black people. I'd say that's solid evidence that Trump is a racist.

Of course to deflect from that he immediately started hiring black people in his businesses. It's why he was honoured for his work with African Americans and got his picture with Rosa Parks which his supporters always post as proof he can't possibly be a racist. Personally I would argue that if the only reason you do anything good for black people is to distract from doing a bunch of bad things to them you're probably a racist.

[Andrew NDB]

Well he was once successfully sued for discrimination because he wouldn't rent his properties to black people. I'd say that's solid evidence that Trump is a racist.

Even if that is evidence that discrimination occurred, it's a pretty huge leap to assume he's there at the forefront personally vetting rentals as part of his day to day. It's like the people saying "Trump Academy was doing shady stuff, it's the same as Trump doing shady stuff himself!" Eh, no. Yeah, he maybe shouldn't be putting his name on stuff that he's not actively vetting but that isn't proof of anything.

[ChosenOne]

Well he was once successfully sued for discrimination because he wouldn't rent his properties to black people. I'd say that's solid evidence that Trump is a racist.

Of course to deflect from that he immediately started hiring black people in his businesses. It's why he was honoured for his work with African Americans and got his picture with Rosa Parks which his supporters always post as proof he can't possibly be a racist. Personally I would argue that if the only reason you do anything good for black people is to distract from doing a bunch of bad things to them you're probably a racist.

Personally I would argue that if your entire portfolio of talking points hinges on race, you're probably a racist.

[TurtleManiac]

People were saying Trump was racist and everything else said today back in the 80s and 90s, just with quieter voices and less outlets to shout it about.

Not really, he was given a cameo in Home Alone 2, do you really think they would want to have a racist in the movie? He made Pizza Hut great again by introducing stuffed crust, not something a racist would do. Even our very own James “Shredder” Avery, a black man, was friends with the Donald

https://i.imgur.com/LRXzEFm.png?1

I wonder if his cameo on Fresh Prince set the precedent for the numerous Trump parodies seen in the ‘87 TMNT cartoon, they even paid homage to “Trumpet Tower” on one of the Slash episodes. :lol:

I remember him in 2007 WWE working with Bobby Lashley, a black man, and had nothing but good things to say about him. And over the years throughout the 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s, Trump had alot of black friends, black rappers idolized Trump, lots of pic where he partied with 2pac, Mike Tyson, Snoop etc. meanwhile corrupt career politicians like Biden worked on policies that harm the black community. To suggest that Trump hates black people is disingenuous and rooted in racism and white supremacy of pushing a hateful agenda where the oppressor is labeled as the victim.

https://i.imgur.com/aJfqQRi.jpg

Well he was once successfully sued for discrimination because he wouldn't rent his properties to black people. I'd say that's solid evidence that Trump is a racist.

Of course to deflect from that he immediately started hiring black people in his businesses. It's why he was honoured for his work with African Americans and got his picture with Rosa Parks which his supporters always post as proof he can't possibly be a racist. Personally I would argue that if the only reason you do anything good for black people is to distract from doing a bunch of bad things to them you're probably a racist.

Was it specifically black people? Or was it just people with bad credit or couldn’t afford or pass background checks? I haven’t dug too deep into a 40 year old headline. And the pic he took with Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali was them receiving an award for contributions to inner city black youths. This was around the same time Joe Biden was busy writing the 1994 crime bill to incarcerate black people over the same drugs his son uses. Biden was also advocating for segregation, didn’t want his kids in a “racial jungle”, and Joe was good friends with a klansmen named Byrd, called him his mentor.

Also, wasn’t it Biden who said that if you don’t vote for him, you ain’t black? That’s gotta be one of the most racist things ever said by a politician. In 2020 Biden was busy doing photo ops with black people just to use them as props for virtue signaling and political gain. If you can’t see the difference then perhaps it’s some kind of inner racism within yourself.

[IMJ]

Exactly. There are no real examples. Only what people will stretch to fit their hate.

The funny thing is that these people think we don't know. They think that the rest of the world who is ahead of them emotionally and developmentally don't know. That we grew out of it after High School but these people are still making assumptions that fit their own life patterns and then trying to shoehorn information into it to appear credible. They think that we don't know they are still there developmentally when they just make $#!( up so as to pretend to be informed and relevant while normally operating society looks at them like society's adult-children.

"Trump is a RACIST! HE is! He IS a racist!"

"OOOOkkkkay son. Got anything for that big stand you are taking?"

"It's all over the news, everyone KNOWS it's true!"

:roll: Societies children and peasants come crawling out of the woodwork with opinions that echo oppositional media because it's something easy for them to grasp onto. That's the psychology. The peasants are dumb and easily manipulated, so they get manipulated. "Trump is a RACIST! He IS A racist! It is TRUE!" :roll:

[Mayhem]

How old are you? Ish? Just curious, in quantifying that. I don't mean as an attack. Because I have my own anecdotal stuff from the 80s and 90s I recall a bit of what "the adults" were saying about him.
Late 40s. Been online since 93. Didn’t know who Trump was until some folks I was chatting to who lived in New York state mentioned him, and that he was a bit of a see you next Tuesday etc. Asked if I’d seen Home Alone 2, said yes, said he was the guy Kevin bumps into inside the hotel. Didn’t understand his significance until that point, which I guess shows back then with the media and it’s reach, he only meant anything to Americans.

[ChosenOne]

Don't flatter yourself, you still don't understand his significance.

[IMJ]

he only meant anything to Americans.

Like almost any other U.S. Politician in history until they became President. Like any member of U.K. Parliament who I couldn't name one of, or like 99.999% of the politicians on the planet.

[Mayhem]

Like almost any other U.S. Politician in history until they became President. Like any member of U.K. Parliament who I couldn't name one of, or like 99.999% of the politicians on the planet.
I’m talking about in the 80s and 90s. Once he started doing The Apprentice series he gained a wider audience, certainly in the UK as we then had our own series launch a year later headed by Alan Sugar. I’ve also been past Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. I certainly knew who Trump was long before he even thought about running for the Republican nomination, and so did a significant number of other people here.

[member_removed]

I’m talking about in the 80s and 90s. Once he started doing The Apprentice series he gained a wider audience, certainly in the UK as we then had our own series launch a year later headed by Alan Sugar. I’ve also been past Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. I certainly knew who Trump was long before he even thought about running for the Republican nomination, and so did a significant number of other people here.

In the 80's I knew him as the guy who owned the building that hosted the Mega-Powers exploding (Wrestlemania's 4 and 5).

[IMJ]

In the 80's I knew him as the guy who owned the building that hosted the Mega-Powers exploding (Wrestlemania's 4 and 5).

Exactly. He was a rich celebrity in the 80's, I suppose possibly akin to however Regan was viewed as an actor in the 60's.

There is literally no point to be made about "who knew or knows about him" in relation to before or after he got elected. It's another gaslighting point as if it has accusational-meaning. It's nonsense and pointless. It's what haters do to deploy their nonsense hate - it's just something to say in the hopes that fellow peasants will look around the room and join in as if what was said has meaning.

[Mayhem]

Civil case found guilty, $5M. Probably not going to hurt him in any way.

[Vegita-San]

lets see. a 'totally impartial' judge and jury in woke new york city found him guilty. yep, not going too hurt him.

[ZariusTwo]

Civil case found guilty, $5M

James T. Kirk: ....Is that a lot?

[TurtleManiac]

Civil case found guilty, $5M. Probably not going to hurt him in any way.

Imagine focusing on Trump when the U.S. border is about to be invaded by 700,000 immigrants entering illegally. Oh wait, you’re in England, nevermind.

lets see. a 'totally impartial' judge and jury in woke new york city found him guilty. yep, not going too hurt him.

Democrats had to change the statue of limitations law so E. Jean Carroll could sue Trump. It’s a clown show. Jury finds that E. Jean Carroll lied about being raped by Trump, then holds Trump “liable” for defamation, for saying E. Jean Carroll lied about being raped by Trump.

[ChosenOne]

Well, they got him now for sure! This will in no way whatsoever backfire on the witch hunters!

[Bahamut810]

lets see. a 'totally impartial' judge and jury in woke new york city found him guilty. yep, not going too hurt him.

That's one of my big retorts if I ever talk to anyone about throwing him in jail. No where in the USA will he be able to get a fair jury. NO WHERE. Even if they can get a few people who don't care, any jury will still be loaded with people who love him and will vote him innocent or hate him and vote him guilty before he even walks in the court room. In any given case he has a constitutional appeal handed to him because he wouldn't be able to get a fair trial.

[Bahamut810]

Imagine focusing on Trump when the U.S. border is about to be invaded by 700,000 immigrants entering illegally. Oh wait, you’re in England, nevermind.



Democrats had to change the statue of limitations law so E. Jean Carroll could sue Trump. It’s a clown show. Jury finds that E. Jean Carroll lied about being raped by Trump, then holds Trump “liable” for defamation, for saying E. Jean Carroll lied about being raped by Trump.

Its important to note...he was not found guilty of rape. He was found "may have more then not" of sexually abusing and defaming her.

[ChosenOne]

Its important to note...he was not found guilty of rape. He was found "may have more then not" of sexually abusing and defaming her.

A solid basis for a conviction if I ever saw one. :roll:

[IndigoErth]

Have his old media friends entirely turned their backs on him? A town hall with CNN is rather unexpected, almost bizarre. He did not help his cause at all with all that lying and bitching about everything still. World's biggest self-appointed victim.

But shame on that audience for actually laughing over sexual assault. No matter how anyone feels about him or their opinion on that court case... wtf. But they're prob the same kind of people voted in George Santos so I can't say I'm surprised.

[Andrew NDB]

Have his old media friends entirely turned their backs on him? A town hall with CNN is rather unexpected, almost bizarre.

I guess this is also thanks to Davis Zaslav. He wants equal coverage of republicans and democrats on CNN now going forward. So horrible and unthinkable, I know! If only the other side could be silenced! :roll:

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cnn-trump-townhall-backlash-david-zaslav-1235604489/

But shame on that audience for actually laughing over sexual assault.

It's because it is an imaginary one.

[Bahamut810]

A solid basis for a conviction if I ever saw one. :roll:

Thats the entire reason why its civil rather then criminal after all. Imagine how much you can roll your eyes knowing that he was suffering no threat of jail *at all* when people started going on about how he left the country to visit some of his other properties because he might get away.

[IndigoErth]

So horrible and unthinkable, I know! If only the other side could be silenced! :roll:
:roll: Nothing to do with that. The weird part is Trump doing it.


It's because it is an imaginary one.
No, that isn't a funny subject, period. Despicable of anyone who acts like it is.

[Galactus]

I just can't believe a man who was caught on tape openly bragging about sexually assaulting women would actually sexually assault a woman. Clearly this is an establishment stitch up.

[ChosenOne]

(...) all that lying and bitching about everything still. World's biggest self-appointed victim.

Keep it up, I'm sure you'll get the crown back.


But shame on that audience for actually laughing over sexual assault.

That's like being angry at the people who laughed at, say, Gennaro's death in Jurassic Park. It's not real.

Thats the entire reason why its civil rather then criminal after all. Imagine how much you can roll your eyes knowing that he was suffering no threat of jail *at all* when people started going on about how he left the country to visit some of his other properties because he might get away.

Hardly the only reason folks were rolling their eyes at this.

:roll: Nothing to do with that. The weird part is Trump doing it.

Yeah, if only Trump could be silenced... How weird that people would want to go back to world peace, a strong economy and low gas prices. Sick f*cks, amirite?

No, that isn't a funny subject, period. Despicable of anyone who acts like it is.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I just can't believe a man who was caught on tape openly bragging about sexually assaulting women would actually sexually assault a woman. Clearly this is an establishment stitch up.

Not bragging that he did it. Bragging that they'd let him. There's a world of difference. And, you know, he's not wrong... The very fact that being, say, a footballer's wife is a career path unto itself speaks volumes. And the real rub...? There's nothing wrong with that. It’s just how the world works.

[Bahamut810]

Not bragging that he did it. Bragging that they'd let him. There's a world of difference. And, you know, he's not wrong... The very fact that being, say, a footballer's wife is a career path unto itself speaks volumes. And the real rub...? There's nothing wrong with that. It’s just how the world works.

Imagine being so anti-woman and anti-sex work that you would criticize someone for assisting them at their leisure for the decisions they make...

[Galactus]

You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

From that the least you could say he has kissed women without their consent. Does he not think that the power imbalance is why some of these women would let him kiss them. We know several contestants of his Miss Universe pageants were not okay with him just walking into their dressing room and touching them but felt they couldn't openly protest because he was in charge of the whole thing.

Don't you think that all this was a huge stitch up they would have gotten him on the worst charge? As it stands there was enough evidence for a jury to find that Trump assaulted E. Jean Carrol but not enough to say that he was able to penetrate her. Frankly he'd been better off with the Sideshow Bob defense..."Attempted murder," now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry"?

[ChosenOne]

Imagine being so anti-woman and anti-sex work that you would criticize someone for assisting them at their leisure for the decisions they make...

Do you mind rephrasing that, please? I'm confused at some of the wording.

From that the least you could say he has kissed women without their consent.

From that, what you get is an endlessly twisted fragment of normal locker room talk about the way women behave towards powerful men. I don't expect people who've never shot the sh*t with their friends to understand.

Don't you think that all this was a huge stitch up they would have gotten him on the worst charge?

Not when the plan was to get him on something, anything. Of course they couldn't find evidence of something that never happened but the biased jury still performed as expected. Not that anyone who matters cares.

(...) now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry"?

Ask Carroll, she's the one who claims her chemistry with Trump was immediate the moment she locked eyes with him at that store (you know, before she realized there was money to be made in a false rape charge), and she sure gave her best attempt at passing it off as the truth.

[Galactus]

From that, what you get is an endlessly twisted fragment of normal locker room talk about the way women behave towards powerful men. I don't expect people who've never shot the sh*t with their friends to understand.

From that, what you get is that he's kissed multiple women against their will. Bare in mind the wider context of that conversation is him describing how he tried to cheat on his current wife. Locker room talk is something like "that girl is so hot, the things I would do to her if I had the chance" that was a description of things he'd actially done with women.

Not when the plan was to get him on something, anything. Of course they couldn't find evidence of something that never happened but the biased jury still performed as expected. Not that anyone who matters cares.

If the jury was so biased and the whole thing a stitch up why not get him on all counts and forever brand him a rapist? That would clearly be them "performing as expected" but clearly there wasn't enough evidence that he penetrated her with his Toad penis but there was enough to show he tried to force himself on her.

[Sumac]

Imagine being so anti-woman and anti-sex work that you would criticize someone for assisting them at their leisure for the decisions they make...
Prostitution is not a work.

[ChosenOne]

From that, what you get is that he's kissed multiple women against their will.

That's what you wanted to hear, not what he said.

If the jury was so biased and the whole thing a stitch up why not get him on all counts and forever brand him a rapist?

What part of "It's not real, it didn't happen" don't you understand? There is no evidence of anything because nothing happened and the biased jury decided solely on hearsay.

(...) his Toad penis (...)

So glad you're able to remain rational and not at all hateful. :) Is that a description from memory? Gonna make up a claim and press charges too?

:lol:

[TurtleManiac]

Have his old media friends entirely turned their backs on him? A town hall with CNN is rather unexpected, almost bizarre. He did not help his cause at all with all that lying and bitching about everything still. World's biggest self-appointed victim.

But shame on that audience for actually laughing over sexual assault. No matter how anyone feels about him or their opinion on that court case... wtf. But they're prob the same kind of people voted in George Santos so I can't say I'm surprised.

I just can't believe a man who was caught on tape openly bragging about sexually assaulting women would actually sexually assault a woman. Clearly this is an establishment stitch up.

I feel your pain, today we are all E. Jean Carroll.

Do you believe Ashley Biden?

[Bahamut810]

Prostitution is not a work.

Incorrect. Prositution is one person entering into a contract with another person to pay them for their labor at a pre-established rate. If contracting to roof a house is a job, prostitution is as well.

[ChosenOne]

I feel your pain, today we are all E. Jean Carroll.

Do you believe Ashley Biden?

Odd, I don't feel like a lying gold digger today. Maybe tomorrow?

Do you believe Amber Heard?

[Sumac]

Incorrect. Prositution is one person entering into a contract with another person to pay them for their labor at a pre-established rate. If contracting to roof a house is a job, prostitution is as well.
By this logic drug-dealing is also a work. And contract-killing. And kidnapping.

Also, calling prostitution a "labor" is LOL. Spread your legs - much labor, hard work. :ohwell:

What next: you call camwhores "hard laborers"? :lol:

I understand that attitudes towards sex and stuff associated with it are much more frivolous today than in the past and part of me welcomes it, but trying to pretend that prostitution is somehow a noble field of work, which should be applauded and lauded, just like any other work, is delusional ludicrous and dangerous.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm OK with sex work in the way that I'm OK with consenting adults doing whatever they want to do in the shadows/privacy of their own homes. Is it noble work? No, surely not. But it does fulfill the technical definition of "work."

[Sumac]

I'm OK with sex work in the way that I'm OK with consenting adults doing whatever they want to do in the shadows/privacy of their own homes. Is it noble work? No, surely not. But it does fulfill the technical definition of "work."
In the same way as drug-dealing fulfills it.

[Bahamut810]

By this logic drug-dealing is also a work. And contract-killing. And kidnapping.

Nagative. All of those dont have the consent of the people involved. Drug dealing's marketing strategy is to get people addicted so they cant say no. The other two involve 3rd parties against their will.

Also, calling prostitution a "labor" is LOL. Spread your legs - much labor, hard work. :ohwell:

What next: you call camwhores "hard laborers"? :lol:

As much work as any small creators on youtube or hollywood or in a local dance club or strip joint. They are entertainers and have to provide their own advertisement and research into subjects that will attract customers to their services. They also do so while drowning in a sea of other content.

I understand that attitudes towards sex and stuff associated with it are much more frivolous today than in the past and part of me welcomes it, but trying to pretend that prostitution is somehow a noble field of work, which should be applauded and lauded, just like any other work, is delusional ludicrous and dangerous.

Nobility has nothing to do with anything. You are attributing celebration to just notating that work is work. I am a capitalist and respect a grind.

[Sumac]

Nagative. All of those dont have the consent of the people involved. Drug dealing's marketing strategy is to get people addicted so they cant say no. The other two involve 3rd parties against their will.
All of them are illegal harmful activities, which bring only harm to all parties involved.

As much work as any small creators on youtube or hollywood or in a local dance club or strip joint. They are entertainers and have to provide their own advertisement and research into subjects that will attract customers to their services. They also do so while drowning in a sea of other content.
I see you are a devoted Feminist, aren't you?
Tell me, than, do you object to sexualized depiction of women in games, comic books and the like?

Also, you don't think how camwhoring can have negative consequences to a person? I am sure, most people would like to hire a former or an active camwhore and I am sure most people would respect such a person.

And calling it labor is HI-****ING-LARIOUS. Might as well, say that publicly sh1T1ng is a labor.

Nobility has nothing to do with anything. You are attributing celebration to just notating that work is work. I am a capitalist and respect a grind.
So you are not against scammers, thieves, drug-dealers, bootleggers and the like? They are grinding too, you know?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Imagine focusing on Trump when the U.S. border is about to be invaded by 700,000 immigrants entering illegally.

Just dump them on AOC’s front lawn. I’m sure she’ll give them a warm welcome
;)

[Andrew NDB]

HuCeCXgz9RA

[Bahamut810]

All of them are illegal harmful activities, which bring only harm to all parties involved.

Legality means nothing in the context of labor and consent/contracts. Tobacco, alcahol and twitter all bring harm to the parties involved..some are somewhat addictive but can relatively be overcome with different amounts of effort. This statement does not disprove anything I said.

I see you are a devoted Feminist, aren't you?

Negative. I don't like feminism because its sexist, racist, socialist and anti-liberty. I am a capitalist and err towards the side of libertarianism in the dichotomy of democrat vs republican. I understand that just because I dont like something, doesn't mean I should necessarily stop people from doing it (depending on what it is of course).

Tell me, than, do you object to sexualized depiction of women in games, comic books and the like?

I love it. Sex sells. Capitalism RULES. Gimme more Frank Cho and Fansodox art all day long.

Also, you don't think how camwhoring can have negative consequences to a person? I am sure, most people would like to hire a former or an active camwhore and I am sure most people would respect such a person.

So? That has nothing to do with the contract between two people. You also sound like an SJW right now..."You don't think that being an istophobe will bring negative consequences? I am sure most people wouldn't respect such a person..."

And calling it labor is HI-****ING-LARIOUS. Might as well, say that publicly sh1T1ng is a labor.

Its just as much labor as any other entertainment job. When you speak about sex work you are taking a an attitude that the only work out there is a woman on a street corner who lays down on the sidewalk with a pay here box next to her as she just lies there. Can that make some money? Yes. Working at McDonalds makes you some money for minimal effort too. A successful sex worker has to worry about grooming, costuming, creating a group of customers she can trust, medical issues and I am sure a bunch of other things I am not even thinking of. Look at the brothels in nevada. Thats big business catering to a well paying, *repeating* audience. You cant get that if you suck (or dont suck in this case) at your job.

Just because you find it distasteful does not mean it is low skill.

So you are not against scammers, thieves, drug-dealers, bootleggers and the like? They are grinding too, you know?

There can be no consent where there is dishonesty and thievery. With prostitues you agree with the actions that will happen, get a price, pay, do your deed and go on the way. Thats pretty straight foward.

Here is the biggest question. Do you think that Actors, Stand up Comedians, Singers and other performers should not be paid professions?

[ChosenOne]

HuCeCXgz9RA

America really does have a tremendous mental health problem.

[Sumac]

Legality means nothing in the context of labor and consent/contracts. Tobacco, alcahol and twitter all bring harm to the parties involved..some are somewhat addictive but can relatively be overcome with different amounts of effort. This statement does not disprove anything I said.
So are drugs and guns. But I guess you wouldn't like to live in a lawless country?

Negative. I don't like feminism because its sexist, racist, socialist and anti-liberty.
I am not really sure how did you arrived to those conclusions, but Feminism is none of those things. Equality between sexes is neither sexist and has nothing to do with socialism. And how the **** it is racist and anti-liberty?!

Modern Feminism is just a dumb simplification of ideas of equality, basically reduced to "give all rights, don't give me responsibilities", but that's like every other modern movement and it has nothing to do with core Feminist values.

I love it. Sex sells. Capitalism RULES. Gimme more Frank Cho and Fansodox art all day long.
At least, here we are on the same page.

So? That has nothing to do with the contract between two people. You also sound like an SJW right now..."You don't think that being an istophobe will bring negative consequences? I am sure most people wouldn't respect such a person..."
But it is not about contract between two people. Most people won't respect camwhores and prostitutes. It is not a god thing, but it is what it is.

I am of mind "love sinners, hate the sin", so I might have my problems with people who are prostituting themselves purely out of they choice of the field, but I don't think they are bad people. Just ones who made the wrong choice at some point.

Its just as much labor as any other entertainment job. Just because you find it distasteful does not mean it is low skill.
I disagree. Very very much.
Showing your body doesn't require ANY skill whatsoever. Just be reasonably attractive and that is enough.

There can be no consent where there is dishonesty and thievery. With prostitues you agree with the actions that will happen, get a price, pay, do your deed and go on the way. Thats pretty straight foward.
Except prostitution has negative impact on society and both clients and prostitutes themselves, in particularly as far as mental health and emotional state are concerned. Which is why its comparison to drugs make sense - while outwardly harmless and its might be even seen as beneficial, in reality it destroys person overtime.

Here is the biggest question. Do you think that Actors, Stand up Comedians, Singers and other performers should not be paid professions?
Their activities do not harm anyone and benefit society. They require not only natural talent, but also actual work and creativity. So, yes, they are absolute deserve to be paid.

[Bahamut810]

So are drugs and guns. But I guess you wouldn't like to live in a lawless country?

Something being a consenting labor has nothing to do with legality. That seems to be where you point lies, and your point is moot. I do agree that there are times that some of these job should be illegal (like crack dealers)...but that does not mean they don't take time, energy and expertise to be successful at as a career.

I am not really sure how did you arrived to those conclusions, but Feminism is none of those things. Equality between sexes is neither sexist and has nothing to do with socialism. And how the **** it is racist and anti-liberty?!

Modern Feminism is just a dumb simplification of ideas of equality, basically reduced to "give all rights, don't give me responsibilities", but that's like every other modern movement and it has nothing to do with core Feminist values.

You are thinking of egalitarianism not feminism. While it sounds good the way you say it, and at its start it may have been *more* that way it has always been about advancing women, not bringing equality. For an early, first wave example, a minority of women wanted the right to vote but wanted nothing to do with the responsibility that comes/came with voting such as registering for the draft.

Edit: What it was then, however, has nothing to do with what it is now.

To believe that every deserves equal rights is egalitarian, not feminist.

But it is not about contract between two people. Most people won't respect camwhores and prostitutes. It is not a god thing, but it is what it is.

Your value of them as a person has nothing to do with their labor as an occupation. You don't like porn actors, but the only difference between their job and anyone in Hollywood is what they are performing. Heck, Porn has pushed technology as much or more then most other industries causing countless jobs to be created over things like VHS Camcorders and the Internet.

I am of mind "love sinners, hate the sin", so I might have my problems with people who are prostituting themselves purely out of they choice of the field, but I don't think they are bad people. Just ones who made the wrong choice at some point.

Again, your moral outrage does not mean its not a career or requires no effort. Thats like a vegan saying that a butcher is an occupation that requires no effort specifically because they hate the idea of meat.

I disagree. Very very much.
Showing your body doesn't require ANY skill whatsoever. Just be reasonably attractive and that is enough.

Have you ever seen porn before? Seriously. I'm not going to judge you if you haven't, that's 100% ok. You just seem to have a completely incorrect idea of what porn is and has been since the advent of the internet...like you are stuck in the playboy in magazine form only era.

There is buy in (your equipment needed to work), learning how to film, what people like, and engaging the audience for film or having to put together a working list in addition for live. If you don't do that, if you cant engage people and get them to want to watch what you are providing you wont get paid...because there are a thousand other people that *will*. V-tubers with a naughty streak like Project Melody didn't get *huge* because she sat a naked model on a screen and let it go...she invested in her business and engaged with the fans. Belle Delphine isn't a very well off because she stood there and took a picture. She is well off because she learned how to entice her audience, how to do makeup, invested in her wardrobe, how to communicate, even going to the point of making joke products to help her advertise. Her looks helped for sure, it is a visual medium for sure but pretty looks are a dime a dozen online. Get on only fans and just look how much competition there is for peoples time and attention for their dollars.

Again, your moral outrage does not mean that these labors don't exist.


Except prostitution has negative impact on society and both clients and prostitutes themselves, in particularly as far as mental health and emotional state are concerned. Which is why its comparison to drugs make sense - while outwardly harmless and its might be even seen as beneficial, in reality it destroys person overtime.

So does alcohol and smoking. I can agree that there can be limits for things specifically highly addictive (like crack), but overall people should be free to indulge their vices. That's what freedom is. If you don't like it, then don't indulge and stay out of the way of consenting adults.

[Coola Yagami]

There is buy in (your equipment needed to work), learning how to film, what people like, and engaging the audience for film or having to put together a working list in addition for live. If you don't do that, if you cant engage people and get them to want to watch what you are providing you wont get paid...because there are a thousand other people that *will*. V-tubers with a naughty streak like Project Melody didn't get *huge* because she sat a naked model on a screen and let it go...she invested in her business and engaged with the fans. Belle Delphine isn't a very well off because she stood there and took a picture. She is well off because she learned how to entice her audience, how to do makeup, invested in her wardrobe, how to communicate, even going to the point of making joke products to help her advertise. Her looks helped for sure, it is a visual medium for sure but pretty looks are a dime a dozen online. Get on only fans and just look how much competition there is for peoples time and attention for their dollars.

Again, your moral outrage does not mean that these labors don't exist.






On the topic of OnlyFans there were several times the girls were faced with competition.

First off, OF was around pre-pandemic but once it the pandemic hit, every relatively pretty girl with a camera started joining and making 'content', which made it rough for the regulars.

Secondly, celebs started getting in on it which pissed off the regular girls because they felt it was unfair they'd be taking all their customers. I forgot which celeb was it, but one of them created an OF and made a million in a day and that pissed everyone off.

And then there's the ones that give a shot and are pissed they're not making several thousand day like all the other success stories they keep hearing about, and are barely getting any subs.

[Mayhem]

Evidently “getting him” applies to Biden and… Republicans admit they’ve found nothing on him to date…

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html

[Cowabung-Gal]

Evidently “getting him” applies to Biden and… Republicans admit they’ve found nothing on him to date…

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html

You seriously believe Biden is squeaky clean? You forget that the entire Establishment (Republicans included) is covering his wrinkly butt…and wiping it too of course.

[Mayhem]

You seriously believe Biden is squeaky clean? You forget that the entire Establishment (Republicans included) is covering his wrinkly butt…and wiping it too of course.
No, but that’s not what I’m saying. In the same way Trump slips and slides and nothing sticks, Republicans are saying there’s nothing sticking to Joe either, much that they want there to be.

[Sumac]

Something being a consenting labor has nothing to do with legality. That seems to be where you point lies, and your point is moot. I do agree that there are times that some of these job should be illegal (like crack dealers)...but that does not mean they don't take time, energy and expertise to be successful at as a career.
This is non-argument, since by this logic any activity, no matter how illegal it is, can be considered "a labor". It doesn't tell, if this benefits individual and society.

You are thinking of egalitarianism not feminism. While it sounds good the way you say it, and at its start it may have been *more* that way it has always been about advancing women, not bringing equality. For an early, first wave example, a minority of women wanted the right to vote but wanted nothing to do with the responsibility that comes/came with voting such as registering for the draft.
I chalk this argument to a hurt ego or distaste for a modern version of Feminism.

Also, it is funny hearing about women "should be drafted in army" considering that they are not physically equal to men and most of them would not be able o be a good combatants.

Your value of them as a person has nothing to do with their labor as an occupation. You don't like porn actors, but the only difference between their job and anyone in Hollywood is what they are performing. Heck, Porn has pushed technology as much or more then most other industries causing countless jobs to be created over things like VHS Camcorders and the Internet.
So is drug-dealing.

Again, your moral outrage does not mean its not a career or requires no effort. Thats like a vegan saying that a butcher is an occupation that requires no effort specifically because they hate the idea of meat.
Moral? Far from it. Logical.
It is neither a career, nor requires an effort.
And its damaging for an individual and therefore for society at large.

Have you ever seen porn before?
?!
I am trying to process is this whole paragraph is some kind of trolling / joke or are you serious?
Like buying camera and showing her privates is not an effort and neither a labor. Its like lowest common denominator.

So does alcohol and smoking. I can agree that there can be limits for things specifically highly addictive (like crack), but overall people should be free to indulge their vices. That's what freedom is. If you don't like it, then don't indulge and stay out of the way of consenting adults.
"Consenting adults" can be retards and might require protection from themselves.

I am agree that people are free to do whatever they want, within certain parameters, however, I will call spade a spade, if I feel like it. Your rather twisted rationalization matters little.

[Bahamut810]

This is non-argument, since by this logic any activity, no matter how illegal it is, can be considered "a labor". It doesn't tell, if this benefits individual and society.

Its possible we are using different versions of the word labor...just because something is illegal does not mean it does not take effort and expertise to be successful. Legality and effort are two completely separate things. However, Pornography is legal, and prostitution is legal is some places.

I chalk this argument to a hurt ego or distaste for a modern version of Feminism.

Also, it is funny hearing about women "should be drafted in army" considering that they are not physically equal to men and most of them would not be able o be a good combatants.

Negative. Equality is holding people to the same standards. If men have requirements for their rights that women don't have...that is not equal. You can not have equality any other way. Equal rights, equal lefts and all that.

Also, you are being anti-feminist and sexist (benevolently sexist). You are suggesting that women are not capable of serving in a military that has an increasing number of non-combat support roles. For shame.

Moral? Far from it. Logical.
It is neither a career, nor requires an effort.
And its damaging for an individual and therefore for society at large.

Its not logical to believe that something requires no effort because you find it morally reprehensible and decide to ignore every thing to prove otherwise.

I am trying to process is this whole paragraph is some kind of trolling / joke or are you serious?
Like buying camera and showing her privates is not an effort and neither a labor. Its like lowest common denominator.

How about buying a camera and making a movie?
Renting a theatre and putting on a play?
Picking up some costumes to entertain children?
Sitting at a register and punching some buttons?
I can try to minimize any occupation by ignoring the work that goes into it too.

Here is the rub though...you are ignoring all the examples of people in those sectors and their effort and expertise that went into making them well to do in their legal enterprises.

I am agree that people are free to do whatever they want, within certain parameters, however, I will call spade a spade, if I feel like it. Your rather twisted rationalization matters little.

Ehhh...my 'twisted rationalization' is just recognizing a grind. You don't have to find something morally upright, or legal to recognize it.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a bit like, let's say you know a guy who works in a Marijuana store selling weed in one of the states it's legal to do so in the US. Just because you live in a state (or country) where that is illegal doesn't mean that job isn't a job. And yeah, that's true, there is full-on legal prostitution in parts of Nevada.

Personally, I deplore weed. I have many buddies who do it but I've watched it kill all of their ambitions 10 out of 10 times. They can have all these brilliant ideas but 0 follow-through. They're stuck in whatever quality of life they were at when they first started smoking a lot of it, generally speaking. Some worse off, even.

[Bahamut810]

It's a bit like, let's say you know a guy who works in a Marijuana store selling weed in one of the states it's legal to do so in the US. Just because you live in a state (or country) where that is illegal doesn't mean that job isn't a job. And yeah, that's true, there is full-on legal prostitution in parts of Nevada.

Personally, I deplore weed. I have many buddies who do it but I've watched it kill all of their ambitions 10 out of 10 times. They can have all these brilliant ideas but 0 follow-through. They're stuck in whatever quality of life they were at when they first started smoking a lot of it, generally speaking. Some worse off, even.

Yeah. Even if it is illegal, that does not mean the work is any easier. If anything it can be harder as you have to worry about getting caught and finding the signs to get by.

This does not necessarily make the actions morally right.

[Mayhem]

It's a bit like, let's say you know a guy who works in a Marijuana store selling weed in one of the states it's legal to do so in the US. Just because you live in a state (or country) where that is illegal doesn't mean that job isn't a job. And yeah, that's true, there is full-on legal prostitution in parts of Nevada.

Personally, I deplore weed. I have many buddies who do it but I've watched it kill all of their ambitions 10 out of 10 times. They can have all these brilliant ideas but 0 follow-through. They're stuck in whatever quality of life they were at when they first started smoking a lot of it, generally speaking. Some worse off, even.
Sorry to hear that. The couple of folks I know who use it in California are doing so for medicinal purposes, and it really helps with their pain management.

[TurtleManiac]

Man they are trying hard this time to bring down Trump. E Jean Carroll is going after him again for “damages”, and even with the Durham report confirming the Russia collusion was a hoax, they still trying to come up with new BS about the classified documents

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1661149195842072578?cxt=HHwWhMC9kY-Zy40uAAAA

And conveniently DeSantis enters the Presidential race today almost as if the establishment uniparty wants him to be the nominee instead of Trump. That’s all we need to know right there.

[Andrew NDB]

The democrats and their propaganda wing (the media) desperately wants Trump to be the nominee. They fear DeSantis and feel like (probably correctly) that Trump doesn't have any good chance of winning.

[TurtleManiac]

The democrats and their propaganda wing (the media) desperately wants Trump to be the nominee. They fear DeSantis and feel like (probably correctly) that Trump doesn't have any good chance of winning.

If the Dems want Trump to be the nominee, why would they still be trying to arrest him? He’s the only one exposing their crimes. Trump has been beating DeSantis in all the polls. All DeSantis would do is split the Republicans vote and hand the Dems an easy win. That’s why I’m starting to think he’s uniparty, otherwise he would be supporting Trump, not running against him, maybe even be his VP. But if the election rigging is true, then yeah, I guess he may not have much of a chance either way. It would be a one sided battle and all the major corporations are in on it.

[Vegita-San]

people in florida will support trump over desantis mostly, it seems. I don't think you can count him out yet. desantis showed how weasily he was when he didn't support trump

[Andrew NDB]

If the Dems want Trump to be the nominee, why would they still be trying to arrest him?

So they can placate their voters. To show them they're doing what they want them to do, which is going after Trump. All the polls posed to democrat voters when Biden took office, the polls showed voters overwhelmingly wanted more investigations of Trump over all other issues. So that's what the party is doing, because they know it won't and can't go anywhere so it's harmless anyway.

Trump has been beating DeSantis in all the polls.

Yep. And he'll almost undoubtedly get the nomination and then lose again. The thing is, right now, in 2023 everyone has a pretty set opinion of Trump and has for a good while now. There isn't any chance he's going to change any minds about him anymore. With DeSantis, there is at least a chance, if he's the nominee. All the people wanting to vote republican (or at least not Biden) but can't bring themselves to vote for Trump.

I do look forward to seeing debates with DeSantis and Trump, though. Should be interesting on both sides.

[TurtleManiac]

DeSantis is now launching his Presidential campaign on “Twitter spaces” with help of Elon Musk and I think Musk said he would also invite Trump to Twitter spaces but it seems that Trump refuses to touch twitter even after his account was re-instated. These virtual campaigns are weak though, kinda like basement Joe didn’t have to campaign. None of these candidates can draw a real crowd the size as seen at Trump rallies, I think Trump would beat any of the candidates legitimately, but the system is so corrupt and rigged.

Who knows maybe DeSantis will have change of heart and be Trump’s VP, kinda like how Biden/Harris were running against eachother at first and then became running mates.

DeSantis is very similar to Trump, pretty much all the same people that hate Trump hate DeSantis, the left has already painted him as a “neo-nazi” and even the NAACP has issued a travel advisory against Florida/DeSantis saying it’s hostile to Black people and LGBTQ+. Commies are really trying to lump minorities in with LGBTQ+

[Cowabung-Gal]

even the NAACP has issued a travel advisory against Florida/DeSantis saying it’s hostile to Black people

So they don’t want black people to enjoy nearly perfect weather, safe and clean environments, and beautiful beaches? What’s their idea of an alternative, places where you’re constantly trying to avoid all the used syringes, human feces, and even bodies on the sidewalk?

[Sumac]

DeSantis is very similar to Trump, pretty much all the same people that hate Trump hate DeSantis, the left has already painted him as a “neo-nazi” and even the NAACP has issued a travel advisory against Florida/DeSantis saying it’s hostile to Black people and LGBTQ+. Commies are really trying to lump minorities in with LGBTQ+
Trust be told, leftards would have portray any candidate from the GOP as nazis, so its nothing new. Those lunatics seriously believe that Republicans are all Fascists and whatnot and are preparing a coup, even though it is leftards who constantly say about starting an insurrection.

[IMJ]

Those lunatics seriously believe that Republicans are all Fascists and whatnot and are preparing a coup

They don't really believe it. They have no moral code. They are lying as a manipulation tool. They are the lowest of humanity and are disingenuous, don't believe them.

[Sumac]

They don't really believe it. They have no moral code. They are lying as a manipulation tool. They are the lowest of humanity and are disingenuous, don't believe them.
They do have a moral code, but like with any zealots, their moral code works only for their followers. Those outside of their circle are "infidels" and naturally zealots "compassion and empathy" are not for them.

Not to mention sine they are true believers, they are absolved from being logical and reasonable.

[TurtleManiac]

So they don’t want black people to enjoy nearly perfect weather, safe and clean environments, and beautiful beaches? What’s their idea of an alternative, places where you’re constantly trying to avoid all the used syringes, human feces, and even bodies on the sidewalk?

Well, Don Lemon who is Black AND Gay didn’t seem to have any issues vacationing in Florida during the covid lockdowns. I didn’t know what this travel advisory was about at first, did some research and I guess it’s mainly about “pronouns” :lol:

Found an interesting CNN article talking about how the nation’s largest LGBTQ+ advocacy group warns the dangers of transgenders visiting Florida because they are making laws that ban pronouns and also bans “gender affirming care” aka genital mutilation on children without parental consent. They also happen to throw in there something about CRT and immigration so they can pander to minorities as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/florida-travel-advisory-human-rights-campaign/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_content=2023-05-25T02%3A50%3A57

Trust be told, leftards would have portray any candidate from the GOP as nazis, so its :lol:nothing new. Those lunatics seriously believe that Republicans are all Fascists and whatnot and are preparing a coup, even though it is leftards who constantly say about starting an insurrection.

But the thing is they really believe in themselves, it’s ok when THEY do it, in the name of social justice, they can get away with it, and all the major corporations have their back, that’s why they are aggressively marketing all this LGBTQ+ pride stuff to kids, and those who speak out against it are labeled as “nazis” or whatever.

Back to Trump, they are trying to get him again on the Mar-A-Lago raid, he’s supposedly gonna be indicted again soon. Probably the only chance DeSantis has if Trump actually gets arrested. DeSantis seems ok, but he’s endorsed by alot of corrupt establishment Republicans such as Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Cheney etc. and gets alot of uniparty campaign funding. A younger man like DeSantis wouldn’t have the balls to stand up to the commies and globalists like Trump does. I remember Trump dissing the WEF to their face while he was President. He posted this video making fun of the DeSantis twitter launch my favorite part at the end he says “Klaus Schwab and George Soros, I’m throwing both your a$$es in jail!” :lol: Trump is a G!

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1661542033884958723?cxt=HHwWhsC-0abr_Y4uAAAA

[TurtleManiac]

Here we go again

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/06/08/trump-says-hes-been-indicted-summoned-to-federal-court-in-miami-next-week.html

“They’ve really got him this time. Any day now. The walls are closing in.”

https://i.imgur.com/uyxxXdP.jpg?1

Liberals on Twitter have been frothing at the mouth since yesterday over this latest indictment. The DC establishment is really trying to take this man out of the Presidential race. What dirt does he have on them?

[ChosenOne]

Liberals on Twitter have been frothing at the mouth since yesterday over this latest indictment. The DC establishment is really trying to take this man out of the Presidential race. What dirt does he have on them?

It's quite simple, really:

https://d2v7i6t2.map2.ssl.hwcdn.net/content/quotes/5440_ret.jpg

[IMJ]

Every time I see something like this I read the headline or the announcement and it plays in my mind's eye with @$$hole rage-baiter Wolf Blitzer from CNN with that same voice and intonation that fool said on-air "BommmmmmbSHELL Report! NEWWWW INFOR-mation leading to the potential IMPEACH-mint of DonALD TRump!"

Everytime that's what I hear in my mind's eye and I wish that old fool bastard insect-person from CNN would just curl up and die.

It's not even about defending "Trump". I don't even really give a $#!( about "Trump". I just hate these f'n people who attack him endlessly and how they operate and flow through the world.

[Galactus]

The whole idea going around that the establishment us trying to take Trump out because he has all kinds of dirt on them is more than a little silly. Like if Trump has amassed all this damaging information on people on Washington surely they would try would do anything to keep him sweet. Since the DOJ is pursuing criminal charges on him why isn't Trump releasing all of this damaging stuff on his enemies?

[Cowabung-Gal]

“Ooh! My favorite game show is coming up!” :D

“We interrupt this program with some breaking news: Trump to be indicted blah blah blah….”

:ohwell: “…Alright, that’s it, I’m voting for Trump ‘cause nobody gets between me and my shows.” :x

The more they persecute Trump and the harder they try to get the public to care about it, the more votes he gets.

[Andrew NDB]

And here we go, all the liberals on my FB are going crazy with celebrating and high-fiving each other again. Just like every other time. How many times is it going to take before they realize? 20? 50?

The DC establishment is really trying to take this man out of the Presidential race.

Again, no way. The opposite.

The more they persecute Trump and the harder they try to get the public to care about it, the more votes he gets.

It may seem like that but I don't think that's the way it actually works. What happens I think is that the more they persecute Trump and the more the media talk about persecuting Trump and particularly Trump himself responding to being persecuted, the more that independent voters, democrat voters considering a switch, or even republican voters just get all the more sick of him. Now, it may not mean these people getting sick of him would turn around and vote for Biden, I just think it means a lot of these people don't go to the ballot that day.

[ChosenOne]

And here we go, all the liberals on my FB are going crazy with celebrating and high-fiving each other again. Just like every other time. How many times is it going to take before they realize? 20? 50?

https://i.imgflip.com/7otzcl.jpg

[Sumac]

The whole idea going around that the establishment us trying to take Trump out because he has all kinds of dirt on them is more than a little silly. Like if Trump has amassed all this damaging information on people on Washington surely they would try would do anything to keep him sweet. Since the DOJ is pursuing criminal charges on him why isn't Trump releasing all of this damaging stuff on his enemies?
Rare case, when I must agree with this.

[Mayhem]

Sorry, not sorry heh

https://i.imgur.com/FnCo2pY.jpg

[IMJ]

Yeah. Trump's political opponents aren't attacking him because he has "secret knowledge and evidence" of their crimes. That's peasant thinker nonsense.

Trumps' political opponents are attacking him because he is completely against their agendas and completely for "America first" policy which would set leftist agendas back substantially, if not forever.

[Mayhem]

Trumps' political opponents are attacking him because he is completely against their agendas and completely for "himself first" policy
CTFY ;)

I do agree that I’m not sure anything still will come of this, but I await to be amazed…

[ChosenOne]

CTFY ;)

FY, you mean. Stop selling, no one's buying.

[IMJ]

CTFY ;)

I do agree that I’m not sure anything still will come of this, but I await to be amazed…

Right right. "Secretly putting all of his effort into the Presidency for his own agenda at 70 something years old to do what? Have money?"

Meanwhile your liberal candidates are all also indicted for real crimes left and right and have to fade away into obscurity because the right accepts that whereas people like you want executions and other weird outlets for your awful lives of low-esteem and projected "justice" so you can have a "win".

You aren't a moral authority, homie. Instead you are just on the side of the life-angry haters who found an outlet in a successful dude because you know that in any real life situation he wouldn't tolerate your BS and it would be a reflection of whatever you've experienced in life so far, and you hate that. Get over the derangement syndrome and save your hate for people who have committed real crimes. Tons of real political crimes all over the place, but the only thing you have to talk about is "Trump". That's pathetic, bro. Pathetic.

[Mayhem]

I do like seeing who reacts to these. Obviously you have way more invested in this than me, considering your spleen spouting there, especially considering I’m not even American or liberal. At least not your deranged interpretation of “liberal”. So “my” liberal candidates means nothing, I have no investment or care about them, and Biden certainly isn’t faultless or clean either.

Actually one of the main lines about Trump running originally was to avoid being charged with some of the stuff that’s been reported happening prior to that moment. And that him running again is a similar tactic to avoid jail time. Except they are damned well trying for it before the election. As I noted, I’m still not convinced anything will happen, although the photos published of all the boxes randomly stored around Mar-a-lago like some skittish obsessed hoarder was amusing enough.

As for the money comment, Trump is more broke than he dares to admit hence all the grifting and requests for donations for whatever is happening next, such as funding his legal defence. Surely if he’s that rich, he doesn’t need to ask for donations?

[ChosenOne]

I'm not American either, I just happen to like peace and prosperity in my life. We had those worldwide during Trump's first term, we don’t have those now. It's a very simple equation, but given your admission that you just like to fan the flames in order to watch people get pissed off, well... I don’t expect you to understand or even share my priorities.

[Mayhem]

I'm not American either, I just happen to like peace and prosperity in my life. We had those worldwide during Trump's first term, we don’t have those now. It's a very simple equation, but given your admission that you just like to fan the flames in order to watch people get pissed off, well... I don’t expect you to understand or even share my priorities.
Considering an awful lot of the other posts are doing just that too, merely from a far right wing perspective, I'm just joining in the fun! :lol:

There wasn't total peace and prosperity during Trump's first term, merely an illusion. He trebled the national deficit for starters, hence the frantic rise (AGAIN!) in the debt cap recently to prevent the government from defaulting on its loans. And his handling of COVID was worse than here, and that's saying something.

[Andrew NDB]

Considering an awful lot of the other posts are doing just that too, merely from a far right wing perspective, I'm just joining in the fun! :lol:

There wasn't total peace and prosperity during Trump's first term, merely an illusion. He trebled the national deficit for starters, hence the frantic rise (AGAIN!) in the debt cap recently to prevent the government from defaulting on its loans. And his handling of COVID was worse than here, and that's saying something.

But he literally pushed through the vaccine.

[Mayhem]

But he literally pushed through the vaccine.
Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.

[ChosenOne]

What's it like, living under that bridge?

[TurtleManiac]

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.


“himself first policy” you mean the guy who took a $5 million bribe from Ukraine?

Coronovirus: Dr Fauci was behind that. He straight up said “there will be a surprise virus outbreak during this administration” when Trump took office. And you would be considered “Xenophobic” for shutting down travel from China to slow the spread. Clearly it was weaponized by the left to take out Trump. The introduction of mail-in ballots was new for 2020, in “the most secure election in history”.

If someone was stupid enough to “drink bleach” as the mainstream news kept saying, then that’s on them.

Trump’s problem was that he played too nice, was probably too careful to not appear as the “dictator” that people with your mindset made him out to be. He could have prosecuted and arrested Hillary just like they’re doing to him now. He should have, but he didn’t, and that was a big mistake. But he definitely made people wake up and realize the corruption that’s been going on in DC. The minute an outsider becomes President, gas prices at an all time low. What a joke the corrupt system is.

Also on the covid, I keep seeing these “conspiracy theories” like this:

“Did you notice that the Covid variants stopped when Russia started going after the Biolabs?

Omicron was declared a variant of concern on 11/26/2021.

Russia began neutralizing US Biolabs in Ukraine on 02/24/2022.

No variants since.

Coincidence?”

Not sure how much truth there is to it but keep seeing this “conspiracy theory” floating around Twitter. Also there’s talks that there may be another virus outbreak in the near future as predicted by Gates/Fauci.

[ChosenOne]

If someone was stupid enough to “drink bleach” as the mainstream news kept saying, then that’s on them.

There is zero overlap between the people who actually watched that press conference and the people who genuinely believe Trump said those exact words.

Not long after, I went to a mall (Colombo, for anyone familiar with Lisbon) for the first time since the local lockdown ended and noticed a sign next to/on the escalators informing that they were being regularly disinfected with UV light against COVID, and reflecting on that really drove home how gross, hypocritical and dishonest the media are.

[IMJ]

Here's the proof - the proof is that all of the behaviors of the last 7 years and here in this thread when it comes to Trump is that there are haters who need an outlet for their hate and they lack integrity so badly that they will hide their personalities in any justification to deploy their life-anger.

That's it. That's all there is to it.

I'd bet a huge number of these people lack literally all real information, never saw a speech and literally only read the hate and got onboard and run with it. A huge number of these people didn't even make a firsthand decision. They just onboarded and now hold onto it tightly at every turn. Like children do.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people

You say you don’t have TDS?

https://media.tenor.com/kPUjaQpRwUsAAAAS/well-there-it-is.gif

You might as well say that nobody’s been cured of cancer yet because Biden’s been too busy.

The Biden administration’s overreach didn’t help the crisis here in America. In fact, it only made things even worse. It’ll be a long time before America full recovers from it, and it’ll take even longer if the People won’t stop feeding off the government t**.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.

Word of advice: You can have decent conversations here about comics or movies. Politics on the other hand get waaaaay too emotional. Or crazy.

[Mayhem]

You might as well say that nobody’s been cured of cancer yet because Biden’s been too busy.
Considering my better half works in cancer research, you can’t say **** on it otherwise. You’d be surprised, cancer research has very little government policy in most countries. Or funding. Awful lot of it is charity related. Now Covid lockdowns, process, and mitigation to prevent mass spread and infection, that’s a bit different. You can’t catch cancer from someone else for starters.

[Andrew NDB]

Word of advice: You can have decent conversations here about comics or movies. Politics on the other hand get waaaaay too emotional. Or crazy.

The problem is that nowadays they're putting the politics in the comics and movies. So it's increasingly becoming impossible to have conversations about those things without getting into politics. I mean, it's not our fault that's what they want to do. Like, I can't put glass in your cereal, watch you eat it, then wonder why you're talking about the glass in your cereal and not the cereal itself, can I?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Considering my better half works in cancer research, you can’t say **** on it otherwise. You’d be surprised, cancer research has very little government policy in most countries. Or funding. Awful lot of it is charity related. Now Covid lockdowns, process, and mitigation to prevent mass spread and infection, that’s a bit different. You can’t catch cancer from someone else for starters.

Yeah, and because of the forced lockdowns, many people had their immune systems severely weakened, including my own, so when the stomach bug came rolling around, it hit me really hard to the point that I nearly passed out on the floor after throwing up so much. Heck, the Delta variant that hit me a couple of months prior was nowhere near as severe as the stomach bug. And don’t even get me started on the effect that all the relentless fear-mongering had on our collective psyche.

The way our government acted during the lockdown was absolutely disgusting. They bribed people with free cheeseburgers to take the brand new vaccine, encouraged people to snitch on their neighbors if they were caught breaking any lockdown rule, destroyed the livelihoods of those who dared to talk about the “lab-leak” theory which is suddenly plausible two years later, and even broke the rules themselves so that they could enjoy their usual high-dollar services.

[Stu_Padasso]

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

A few Questions: How many of those 1.1 million deaths were from Covid alone as compared to those who tested positive for Covid while dying from co-morbidities or injuries (cancer, heart disease, stroke, AIDS, car accidents, ect.) or those who were refused treatment due to lockdowns? How is it any different than other common illnesses such as the flu? What about the death and misery due to the lockdowns such as suicide, drug and alcohol addiction? And were do you pull the 4 million number? Honestly want to know.

[Mayhem]

A few Questions: How many of those 1.1 million deaths were from Covid alone as compared to those who tested positive for Covid while dying from co-morbidities or injuries (cancer, heart disease, stroke, AIDS, car accidents, ect.) or those who were refused treatment due to lockdowns? How is it any different than other common illnesses such as the flu? What about the death and misery due to the lockdowns such as suicide, drug and alcohol addiction? And were do you pull the 4 million number? Honestly want to know.
A calculation based on if the vaccine didn't exist or was introduced a lot later than it actually was. With better management and self tolerance, the death toll in the US could have easily been below 300k. The Japanese were already very used to wearing masks on a regular basis anyhow (funny that flu doesn't affect them as much as other countries, huh?) and as documented in Australia towards the end of 2020 for example, who went full lockdown restriction with enforcement, the flu rate during their winter (June to August) that year was ten times less than normal due to all the mandatory mask wearing.

As for your other question, you generally DON'T die of Covid per se in the same way people generally DON'T die of AIDS or leukemia. All three nuke your immune system to such a degree that it allows other infections to basically destroy you. Would some of those people have died anyway from their conditions regardless of Covid? Quite likely. But the rate of mortality shot up through the roof for those more severely compromised as a result.

My better half and myself both had Covid last February. I barely suffered, in fact I didn't know I had it until I tested myself simply because my other half tested herself (a requirement of working on site then, regular testing) and found herself to be positive. She suffered, she was almost bed bound for two days. In fact she's still suffering, she's been diagnosed with partial myocarditis as a result of Covid. She's had tests (ECGs etc) and checks because of it, and occasionally gets heart flutters. All the talk of "oh it's just like flu" and "only 1% die, what's the panic?" belie and dismiss the real potential for long term effects (aka long Covid) that will no doubt manifest and show themselves in the decade or beyond to come. Because it most certainly can and has damaged lungs, heart and other organs even though it didn't actually kill you then.

[Andrew NDB]

A calculation based on if the vaccine didn't exist or was introduced a lot later than it actually was. With better management and self tolerance, the death toll in the US could have easily been below 300k. The Japanese were already very used to wearing masks on a regular basis anyhow

But as has been proven, anything less than an N95 mask worn properly wouldn't have done a lick. All of the cloth masks, this and that... might as well just let someone with COVID cough directly into your mouth.

[ChosenOne]

COVID is just like the flu.

With a hate boner that big, you'll never need Viagra.

[Mayhem]

COVID is just like the flu.

With a hate boner that big, you'll never need Viagra.
Yeah keep telling that to the people I know who were hospitalised by it, and the two people who died… arsehole.

[ChosenOne]

Yeah, because no one died of the flu when it first appeared a century ago, nor did it spread like wildfire. Right?

Resorting to insults so soon? Tsk... Shouldn’t have bothered, you'd already earned my pity.

[Barkworm]

Yeah keep telling that to the people I know who were hospitalised by it, and the two people who died… arsehole.

Look, you're obviously an intelligent, caring person. Just move away from this. You'll feel bad afterwards and no one here is going to change their opinions.

[Mayhem]

Look, you're obviously an intelligent, caring person. Just move away from this. You'll feel bad afterwards and no one here is going to change their opinions.
Oh I already know that, why do you think the forum has died so much? Most of the other rational, intelligent people left ages back for being hounded out by the Trumpites here.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh I already know that, why do you think the forum has died so much? Most of the other rational, intelligent people left ages back for being hounded out by the Trumpites here.

Forums in general have "died so much." Across the board. Maybe there's some exceptions in pockets, depending about what we're talking about. But at the same time this forum is still somewhat alive (which is odd! in 2023) I notice the only claims of "the Technodrome is dead/it's such a hive of scum and villainy" are only coming from one side.

[IMJ]

Oh I already know that, why do you think the forum has died so much? Most of the other rational, intelligent people left ages back for being hounded out by the Trumpites here.

Now and again one of you aging relics of the extreme-left comes here and their latest expression of life-anger is how the "rational, intelligent people left" this place. And yet, here are the forums, moving on with new posts routinely both in TMNT and other topics just fine without you or those allegedly "rational" leftist psychos you are talking about.

The only real hate is from you guys on the left - hate Trump, hate capitalism, hate this, hate that - it's you. The center and the right both generally live their lives and generally defends the tenets of the constitution while most of the left prattles on with blue hair and BS. Hell, even the psychotic extreme right, who are nuts in their own way, have a foundationally stronger premise than you do. They might be inventing "God" but you are inventing enemies and vitriol.

Every liberal complainer here going on about the "death" of this forum as if it's a solid point. Yet here it is, active and just fine without them. Going on about the death of the forum, and saying it on the allegedly dead forum. You and the people you are rattling on about aren't actually intellectual at all. You're just cliches.

And if pointing out those realities pisses off anyone reading it? Then it is clearly about you and clearly struck a nerve.

[ChosenOne]

When all they know and are is hate, all they'll talk about is hate.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, there went the last hope for CNN:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-coverage-trump-indictment-after-chris-licht-firing-shows-echoes-more-partisan-jeff-zucker-era

It's "too dangerous" to cover all of the news.