Nintendo DS vs Sony PSP
 

there are two name gaming systems DS is already out PSP is coming soon here are the features:
Nintendo DS:
1.has good graphics for it's games
2.can draw on it
3.can play Game Boy games IDK if this is true
4.can chat wirelessly

Sony PSP:
1.can play MP3's
2.has the same graphics as the DS for it's games
3.rumored it can play DVD's but I doubt it

but I pick the DS slightly better

Few corrections here:

Nintendo's releasing a media player that's going to use SD cards. It'll be capable of DVD quality movie playback, along with MP3 playback. The media's also MUCH cheaper then the Sony Memory Stick (SMS's are about 60 bucks for 225 MB. For that price you can get a 1GB SD card).

You also have to take in to account the battery life of both systems. My DS lasts about 7 hours. Word is the PSP only lasts 2-3 hours, but Sony keeps dodging this question, and changing their answers to confuse the media.

Then the games. The PSP can play PS2 level games. The DS offers totally new games. Feel the Magic is a prime example of this. That game just is NOT possible on anything else. Also, because of the battery life, developers are going to make their games shorter on the PSP. I woulden't expect any 80 hour epics from Square anytime soon (hey, that'd be about 40 recharges).

Then you have the screens. The PSP wins in quality, but the DS out shines it in every thing else. First off, the system protects it's screens, something the PSP just doesn't do.

The PSP's out in Japan. The DS is outselling it 5:1. And note, thats ONLY in Japan. Add in the US sales, and the PSP looks like a flop.

So in other words, PSP blows hard. DS wins my heart. I still need to get one... :cry:

And let me show the proof with this week's Japanese sales....

1. Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Special (PS2, Square Enix) - 185,000 units
2. Super Mario 64 DS (NDS, Nintendo) - 125,000 / 366,000 units
3. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2, Konami) - 122,000 / 610,000 units
4. Dragon Quest VIII (PS2, Square Enix) - 118,000 / 3,281,000 units
5. Mario Party 6 (GC, Nintendo) - 104,000 / 373,000 units
6. Sawaru Made in Wario (NDS, Nintendo) - 100,000 / 350,000 units
7. Pokemon Emerald (GBA, Pokemon) - 84,000 / 1,335,000 units
8. Rockman EXE 5: Team of Blues (GBA, Capcom) - 83,000 / 204,000 units
9. Kessen III (PS2, Koei) - 78,000 / 78,000 units
10. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (GC, Nintendo) - 74,000 / 121,000 units

1. Nintendo DS - 252,000 units
2. PlayStation 2 - 145,000 units
3. GameBoy Advance SP - 111,000 units
4. PlayStation Portable - 92,000 units
5. GameCube - 54,000 units

Simple put, Nintendo is killing them hard. Just wait until Nintendo gets out some new games, or anything with the word Pokemon on it, and Sony may just as well slit they're wrists. Gwg covered all the main issues.

PSP is a poorly designed piece of junk. It overheats, and it's ability to play UMD mocies will cost a fortune. Nintendo's releasing a media addapter that will basically let you pirate your DVD collection and watch them in MPEG4 on your DS (mp3's too). Nintendo will win this by a big margin.

The sale numbers for the PSP are kinda misleading though. All the PSPs that are shipped sell out in no time but Sony can't produce enough systems. If Sony could ship as much units as Nintendo does, the sales would probably be higher.
Anyway, I wouldn't recommend a PSP to anyone. I'm not really interested in handhelds but the DS is so inventive that I'm going to buy one. The PSP on the other hand is way too generic, plus it breaks too easily. It also has no interesting games. I think the only really good thing about it is the way it looks.

And even it's looks are just a GBA streched out of porportion. It's a fragile paperweight. I bet kids over here will break the store demo units in a week.

Heres what Ive read on both and after playing the DS heres what I think

DS
Pros
Nice desgin
Touch screen!
Still uses good old carts
Has a memory stick thing
Is wireless
Nice button layout
Screens look nice
Picto-chat
wireless network!

Cons
Graphics arent as good as PSP but great for a handheld system, better then N64 if you ask me
Lack of really intresting titles, to me anyways

PSP
Pros
Also has a nice desgin...with a explosed screen
Lots of good titles, to me anyways
The widescreen is really nice
The graphics Ive read are better then a PS2 and Ive even read this in magazines
Can play Mp3s and all that nice stuff

Cons
EVen though Sony compressed the data on the discs to the battry life is longer its still pathicly low
Disks cant save on themselves like carts thus we have memory cards...yay Sony con more cash out of me
The joy stick is retarded
The screen can get damaged very easily, makes you wonder why Nintendo came out with the SP doesnt it Sony?
Disk = moving parts and when moving parts get dropped or just a bit out of place they break so I think you can break them easier. Kinda like if you drop a CD player

Though the PSP has a buttload more of games I would play I dont care. I never had a GBA so every GBA that intrests me I can still get, and thats quite a few, PLUS theres probly more DS titles comming out that will intrest me. Im sorry Sony you lose my buiness this time. Maybe PS3

Id also like to inform you all that the PSP has a Devil May Cry game comming out for it. That alone would make me want to buy one but Im still going with the DS. That should tell you something espcially people who know how much I like Devil May Cry

PSP cannot play DVDs. Only movies made for it like FF:AC

Sony probobly did this so they could pull a Nintendo and release a flip fold PSP in the future. NIntendo released the SP out of necessity because we'd been needing it for 12 damn years. Sony wants to find a way to milk us for more money in the future by making a flip top model....just in time for when the originals break down.

People can see through they're cheap techniques a lot easier now.

Barkworm: Lack of units is Sonys problem then. If they're having problems meeting demand, they should increase production.

And Spitfire, of course the PSP's going to have more games... it's the same thing developers have been programing for for years now. The DS pushes them to think diffrently, and to comeup with new games. When Animal Crossing DS, and Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, come out, we're going to see a HUGE sales boom.

Kinda makes me wonder why Nintendo doesn't make a full blown Pokemon RPG for a console, but that's for another discussion.

TMB just pissed all over this thread.

I only give the PSP a week after the release before TMB finds someone who bought one and takes it away, throws it, then pisses all over that.

Please Brodie...













It'd only be a day, at most, before I'd do that. Then I'd slap them.

Are you sure? Last time I checked there was an awful lot of studios making games for the DS. I can't imagine the PSP will have a lot more.

aug, i ment more games that he'll like. I'm not making sense, even to myself. o.O.

Haha theres more GBA games I want then PSP games anyways so the DS already wins and all the games for GBA are cheap now. Yes I would buy a DS just to play GBA games! You gots a problem!?

*unzips pants*

There are also way more developers making games for DS than PSP. THe reason is simple. To make a game for PSP requires the full amount of work, production time, money, and investment required for a modern PS2 title. Simple put, few developers can afford that kind of investment for a portable. That's not even mentioning how complicated the hardware is....just like that of PS2. The only non-port titles coming out for it in Japan are parlor games. There are going to be tons of PS2 ports.

Nintendo has created easy to use front end programs to make development easier for DS than even the GBA. Developers are happy because they get to be the first to think up new ideas. Touch screen are nothing new, but never has there been a device available to the general public that allows these new ideas to be available to everyone. The developers are running with it. You're just not seeing a lot of them now because NIntendo got the system out early for Christmas. Something Sony just couldn't pull off over here because NIntendo flogged the LCD companies. Sharp and Panasonic won't leave Nintendo simple because they know who will win. Gamers will see all kinds of original ideas next year, and we all know what will happen when they drop the Pokemon bomb. Pokemania slowed down, because Nintendo hasn't really done anything new with it. If they go MMORPG, they'll shut down the whole damn internet.

DS will win. Japan has already proven this. Final Fantasy movies don't garner as much attention as games do. DS has Final Fantasy games, PSP dosen't. Final Fantasy is the very reason Sony is where they are now.

Also keep in mind, SD flash cards are coming down in price, and going up in size every day. 8GB models are coming. As the DS's life goes on, these cards will become accessable to developers. PSP's UMD discs are about 1.5GB. Discs can't be upgraded in size. SD cards can. Theoretically, once the approiate size card becomes available, they could port a full size Final Fantasy game from PS1, FMV's intact, to the DS and upgrade the graphics to they systems potential. Or they could just make new games. Hell, the Metroid demo proved it can do super compressed FMV right now. We don't know half of this system's potential yet. They've hidden little secrets they intend to unleash every time Sony gains a little ground, the first of which will be online/noline gaming right at the thing's launch. PSP is doomed. I rest my case.

Even though you pretty much Hate PSP dont you think maybe if they take another shot at it they might get it right the 2nd time around? I think they could. I mean it is their first shot at a handheld

They might do better next time, but I hope Nintendo crushes the hell out of them the first time so all those damn magazines will shut up saying that they're days of producing hardware are over just because Sony decided to raise they're hand.

I hate Sony mostly because of the image they've placed on gamers. Hardcore gamers are now considered rejects to the public. Basically, if you don't play Madden and GTA, you're not a "real gamer" anymore. It makes me want to vomit. That, and everyone in the US seems to feel they must go with whatever the general public decides is mainstream. If you don't, you're a reject. That is why I hate PSP. They want to force the handheld gamers to believe that if they own a Game Boy or DS, they're a kiddy nerd, and if you want to be cool, you must own a PSP. That is they're only option, and they run it full force. They have the power to do so, and I'm afraid the American public is stupid enough to go for it. We live for hype over here.

Also, there's the fact that if the PSP bombs, it'll wreak the Playstation brand. Thet'll hurt them in the next console battle, and at least level the field and let the world see a real console war, and you know with Reggie's marketing, Nintendo will go for Sony's blood.

Thats so true. Im always whats against style anyways. I hate everything mainsteam. From music to movies. I like alot of movies that the general public as you put it dont like. The general public to me is stupid and cant comprehend something intelligent like Hero because it has subtitles so they go watch something like Day After Tommrow and think its the greateat film ever. Most people are just fanboys. Everyone assumes if you have a certin system you need a certin game. Everyone thinks because I have a GC and a PS2 I have to have GTA games and Super Smash Brothers Melee. And everyone thinls because my Dad has a Xbox that he needs Halo he doesnt even like FPS games. Plus everyone just buys what magazines tell them to and everyone on gamer forums are just a bunch of 13 year olds who like to start fights and try to make themselves look cool. They think if the game had a M rating its instantly better then anything without a M rating. They also act like Gamecube is the outcast kiddy system because of games like Pikmin yet they ignore games like the RE series and Metal gear Twin Snakes. Hell Eternal Darkness too! But the rating doesnt make the game. Companys like Rockstar just make M rated games so pre-teenagers will buy them. They market them that way. I thought State Of Emergency and Man Hunt sucked but every 13 year old I talked to loved it just as much as they loved their Budokai which they think is the best fighting game ever made

Unless PS3 has Devil May Cry titles, and rumor has it 3 is the last game, or it has Zone Of The Enders titles Im no buying it. And rumor has it ZOE is no longer going to be made. If they make it they should make it for the Revolution because it would look so awesome and the controls would fit perfectly I bet

All that needs to happen is for Square to dump Sony, and they're bridge will crumble. But we all know how much Square is in bed with Sony.

Sorry I'm a little behind here, but I just thought I'd point out that the PSP has nowhere near PS2 graphics. Have you seen the screenshots? They're a little better than PS-X maybe, but PS2? No.

DS is just plain more original. I already have one, and I honestly couldn't care less about the PSP. It just never interested me much. Hell, when I heard they were gonna have Animal Crossing, I jumped right on the DS bandwagon. When I went to pick up my DS from EB, I then found out it would be coming out sometime next September, but hey I can wait.

I still don't have any games for it yet... The Metroid demo got old fast and I got tired of sending myself crudely drawn doodle-porn.

I'm just waiting for something good to come along. I gotta say, the launch lineup wasn't exactly spectacular. I want a good RTS to come along. It'd be sweet it they could get Blizzard to do Warcraft of Starcraft for them.

I agree that the PSP is a crappy handheld but that's just not true. The graphics look almost as good as the PS2's. Haven't you seen the "Metal Gear: Acid" or "Ridge Racers" videos?

I said I doubt it can play DVD's if you read

Things to clear up.

1. The PSP plays movies on specially made Universal Media Discs that were created so that Sony could usher in some portable format that people couldn't rip and so they could block the recordable disc media that has lately become they're worst enemy. The things cost more than standard DVD's, and you're having to basically buy the same movies twice, only without the neato DVD extras, because simply put, this ain't DVD. It's the same as how Sony's going to use some new super density DVD's in the Playstation 3 so they can "attempt" to force the public to convert to a new media format. They want this so they can resell every movie ever made on a new format, and if they control the format, they control the licencing fees, as well as what gets released to some extent. In other words, they'd control Hollywood. The MPEG group is a non-biased nutral party....Sony isn't in the slightest. No media company sould ever hold the rights to the standard formats. I don't care who they are. It would just cause a monopoly and drive most companies out of buisness.

2. I've seen the Metal Gear Acid and Ridge Racer videos. They definately look good. Damn good graphically, but PS2 they ain't. More like slightly sub Dreamcast. The Dreamcast still has far better texture mapping than the PS2 ever had to this day. PSP is just scaled sown PS2 hardware. They did that intentionally so they could easily port PS2 games over, or slightly rework existing engines to create cheaply produced new games for quick release on the handheld. The entire PSP idea is just basically an excuse to go for NIntendo's heart. Nintendo is a pain in the ass for Sony. Sony has the bigger market share, but Nintendo keeps raising the bar with they're games, and Sony's having a hard time keeping up. They want to just buy them out and end it, but they can't because NIntendo owns the majority of their own stock (Sega taught them a lesson). Same goes for Microsoft. If they can get Nintendo out of the way, the quality bar goes down, and it becomes easier to convert the gaming industry into a Hollywood driven racket used to create games that arre nothing but tie-in's to the year's Summer blockbuster. Original content is hitting an all time low in gaming. The DS attempts to solve that by giving the artists new tools rather than just using the same old battered paintbrush they've had for the past 15 years.

The PSP is an attempt from Sony to push Nintendo out of they're home market (portables). They know if Nintendo looses money, they have to issue stock to recoup, and at that point, they become buyable. Nintendo knows this, and I believe they will come out fighting this next year the likes of which no one has ever seen before. Not, during the NES era, not during the console war of '91, not during anything we have seen. They will rise and conquer Sony. This so called "war of the handhelds" is nothing more than aprelude to the next console war. They know if they slap down the Playstation brand in portables, people will give them a second glance in the console world. The real war hasn't even started......but it will come the second week in May. All hell will break loose, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Am I the only one who thinks the whole console war thing is really really stupid?

No, it actually is completely retarded. I always said I'd buy every console that has a couple of outstanding games.

I f*cking hate this console war talk. Who cares. No one. People are going to buy the systems whether you like it or not. Just because GameCube can be thrown off a building and have it still playable does NOT make it better than the others.

If the game companies could just put out the games that they're fans want to play, and everyone make money and be happy, then the world would be a better place. Sadly, all everyone is concerned with nowadays is just taking over someone else (points to EA and Microsoft). It sucks.

The point to the console wars is this: most people can't afford three $150 machines.

Gamers buy one machine, studios flock to that machine, and in the case with Gamecube you end up missing out a lot of great games (although I strongly belive that Nintendo's offerings make up for that, which is why I got a 'Cube).

And until every system is exactaly the same, there's always going to be "A is better then B" talk. It's always been around, and it always will be. It's sad, really, because that takes away from what they should be focusing on: the games.

Well sure it's always going to be around. I'm talking about the fights and arguments taken to the extreme by over zealous fanboys. It's just so damn annoying to read something where someone will say "This system is so sh*tty! I hate it so much. They deserve nothing but death!" then another person will come along and say "Well you're a queer and my system is so much cooler! You should be hung!". All of this is without proper reason. There's no real reason to wish death upon a certain company and all it's followers, or to even hope that company will go out of business. There's no just cause to the "Console Wars". Swapping opinions about various games and consoles, "I enjoy so and so's console!" "Well old chap you've got your points, but I enjoy this console more!" "Good show!", even a little bit of arguing is ok, because expressing opinions tends to cause that. I'd much rather have some healthy debating rather than "My system can fall of a building and still work. So this other system is garbage.". Like I told Ai on MSN, If you're living in a place where your console has a chance of falling of a building, I suggest you dive off the building along with it.

Hahaha, yeah :lol: Can the GC really be thrown off a building and still work? I'm not trying it with mine anyway!

I smell urine.

Ive read that the graphics are great and that Screen shots do it no justice

Heres what Gamepro said

After sitting in our offices for almost two weeks, the handheld still hasn't lost it's "wow factor," largely eclipsing interest in the Nintendo DS.

The main draw of the handheld is its graphical prowess. Forget Zodiacs, N-Gages, GBAs and any other pocket game platform--the PSP blows others out of the water with an LCD that shows almost no pixilation, and unprecedented 3D graphics. Screenshots don't do the console justice. For those that stayed away from handhelds because of mediocre graphics, this may be the first to pique your interest.

The PSP isn't without flaws or concerns however--one being the UMD drive. Already we've experienced a couple long loading times and freezes where you can hear the motor whirring, trying hard to read the discs. The issues are reminiscent of MD Walkman's giving out after a year's worth of use (disc-based Walkmans in general seem to have a relatively shorter lifespan recently), and these minor hiccups revive such concerns. However, it hasn't faced any serious hang-ups, such as discs bursting from the tray as some news sites have reported, and has overall been pretty reliable.

Another drawback are the controls, both directional keypad and analog stick. The d-pad is a lot more mushy and vague in feel than the PlayStation 2 controller, and there lacks a concrete transition between diagonals, and ups, downs, and so on. The issue surfaces playing Vampire Chronicles--most may find it difficult to execute even the simpler quarter circle fireball moves. The problems in executing moves may be either a software or hardware problem, so there still isn't enough to go on to make definitive conclusions--but Capcom has never been one to skimp on controls for fighting games.

The analog stick seems to face the same issues as the PlayStation 2 did--dead zones and/or dull thresholds. Moving the analog stick slightly in Ridge Racers has no effect, making steering vague (the game still controls well overall, however). While again, there still aren't enough titles to back the finding, it may potentially mean that the console is ill-suited toward first-person shooters, which require pinpoint accuracy to play.

Batteries, despite the pre-release noise generated for low battery life, has been exactly what Sony stated--lasting 4-6 hours.

While the console itself has surpassed expectations, the lack of compelling launch titles means we have yet to see whether or not Sony's PSP will overrun Nintendo's DS as the lead handheld platform. With Nintendo having an already significant user base of 2 million, it won't be an easy fight.

http://www.gamepro.com/sony/psp/hard...es/40689.shtml

Gamepro is the last Magazine to lie about stuff like that they have slammed some games pretty hard

The fact that every ad in Gamepro is for Sony makes me take everything thay say with a grain.....no, the whole damn salt mine.

Mushy cross pads are what I hated about the original GBA. They hurt your fingers after 1 hour. I guarntee you all the Final Fantasys will come to DS. Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if Sony attempted to buy Square for the betrayl.

It'll do better in the US market simply because people over here are stupid as hell.

So, they're willing to have a shoddy console just because the graphics are good?

Psh. Morons.

People are shallow minded if magazines tell them its good then people will buy it. Thats how it works. Im pretty sure every magazine is going to kiss Sony's butt and say its the best handheld ever and give it lots of praise. They will pretty much take what is true and warp it to make it sound better. The only reason I agree with that Gamepro article is because their really picky on graphics and them saying something like that has to mean something.

How do the graphics on MGS: Acid even get displayed? Isn't it a card game?

In a sense yes it is but its not like any other card game Ive ever seen
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strategy...lid/media.html
Watch a video or two its not like your normal card game. Its looks kinda slow but probly once you get used to it Im sure it gets pretty fun

Any kind of card game...and I'm out.

I agree it doesnt look to fun like I said. Plus every card game Ive ever had wasnt very good. Like Lost Kingdoms GAH I hate that game I bought in hopes of it holding me over until PSo was released for GC but it didnt help me at all! I also hated PSO 3 the card concept ruined it for me it. The only card game thats still cool is the Pok'emon card game for GBC haha that game was fun