Will Fast Forward Be the End of the TMNT
 

Is anyone else worried about the new direction of the show. I understand they have to do something different to attract more people, but this is a risk. I believe that Fast Forward will be the end of the TMNT as we know it, or be a great success and make them bigger than they ever were before...Your thoughts?

As any other fan, I hope it doesn't end. But we have to face the reality that it's gonna end sooner or later.

Either way, IMO, it's gonna be THE 'jumped the shark' moment.

It all depends on how well the merchindising sells. So get out there and buy, buy, buy people.

I admit to having a bad feeling about this Fast Forward stuff. Maybe it'll be more interesting if Bishop and Rat King have some part to play in it (and considering that Bishop is pretty much immortal, it could happen). Course, I'll probably be even less enthused with Fast Forward if this season ends with some unresolved stuff that's going to be have to wait for FF to end before it can be taken care of.

I just don't know. This may end up being to the new show what the start of the Red Sky era was to the old show. Don't know how well recieved that was back in the day, but it was when I started to lose a lot of interest in the old show.

Well if that press release is any indication, it's possible. The whole point of Fast Forward seems to be trying to make up for the amount of money 4kids has lost on TMNT by attracting a new And bigger audience. If Fast Forward fails, that may be it for awhile :|

I think you all need to get a new hobby. Worrying so much isn't healthy. The show is marketed towards kids. What do kids want in a show? What causes them to lose interest? Not the same things that you are afraid of with the new season. They aren't as worried about the story line as you are. They just wants to see new adventures with new, exciting characters. That seems to be exactly where the show is going. The only problem is that they grow up, and that's why they lose interest. (They become teenagers, ad we all know how they are.)

"This fall, get ready to fast-forward 99 years and meet the Turtles of the future with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward. Brought to the future by Cody Jones, the grandson of Casey Jones and April O’Neil, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello and Raphael are forced to adapt to a whole new world – without their home, junk food or Shredder."

The article referred to it as a new TV series, and said it'd have 26 stand alone episodes.

That's my major concern. There are still loose ends. Actually, the one in "Hun on the Run" bothers me... Karai was going to steal a chip from the EPF, got caught, but did get a chance to scan it first. The Foot were going to use it to make a prototype of their own (though they didn't tell us of what). That one kind of stands out the most. The Foot in general, actually... we'll have to see what happens I guess.

And, in removing the Turtles from their time and plunking them into another, they're ditching almost all of the supporting cast! There aren't going to be that many characters in common, besides the guys, and even if there are, they'll have changed a lot. I can see this for a story arc, but a whole season is really taking the plunge! However, it will be pretty interesting to see how much of Volume 4 ends up in there.

Oh! I didn't know it was his fault... :p that's kind of a strange premise. I hope he's got a good reason... it's rude to take people out of their timeline just to say hello. :p

Am I worried? Sure. Will it change that it's coming? No. Do I hope that somehow it will be good? Definitely yes.

I just hope that we get to see some resolution when the series as a whole ends, and I can die happy.

Dude, just drop it, I'm sick of this consensus that the youth demographic swallow whatever it is corporations throw at them in a favourate show of theirs.. There not as stupid or as blind as you think. People lose interest when these things happen and when the substance fails to make up for the changes.

And secondly, you've got your facts ass-backwards, it's NOT a seperate series, it's the sixth season made into the fifth by corporate urging, ask Dan

Notice how I said "the article." Now if you'd breeze on up to the toys forum and read a new thread made by a guy named 'tmntman' you'd see that there was a link about some toys from the series that come out in the fall.

The three children in my life don't care for the show, two of them actually "hate it," as my niece told me. I don't know who is responsible for making this show stay on the air.

Remember a show called "Power rangersecond ?" WHat does the youth demographic tell you about that one? I loved it in sgrade, but grew away from it when the characters changed.

People lose interest when stories repeat themselves. "Hey, guys, the evil shredder is attacking! Lets go foil his plans!" they're chaning the series like this to keep it interesting and fun to watch. A lot of show's writers lose things to write about so the show starts to fall off. Don Adams refused to be in an episdoe of 'Get Smart' because it was the exact same story as a previous episode, but in a different location. Like you said, children aren't stupid. They know when the turtles are doing the same thing every week. this show seems to have a good team of writers, so as long as the ratings don't drop, fox won't drop the show like they do with everything else they air. And the ratings won't drop if the show stays new and exciting; keeps the kiddies interest.

Yes, of course. They are changing the setting of the show, therefore the writers will forget how to write good stories and interesting characters and the show will die. Duh.

That would be really cool. :D Don't expect it to happen, but hoping is nice.

Yes I'm a little worried. I liked the way they were doing it, with complex story arcs and strong character development. If FF can keep those aspects but get a large demographic slice of the pie, then I'm for it.

Laird paid for the Lost Season to be made and put on DVD with his own funds. He can do that with future seasons if need be. DVD sales must be good if he can afford to do that. BUY ALL THE DVDS. That's all I can say.

I've bought them all, except the latest one. I saw it at Best By, but it had a black case, and was chipped.

If it comes to that, I believe I'll start getting them all from now on. As it stands now, I've only got a select few of the DVDs...

i think there will be one more season after fast forward, mainly because of the movie. that will gain some interest for a while, anyway.

i'm not worried, either way, it's been bigger and better than i ever thought when it first started, so i'll be satisified either way.

I still trust the authors of the show, even though I don't like the Fast Forward idea. I hope they will surpruse us. And I certainly don't think it will be the end of the show, we all know that the 6th season is being worked on :)

It's not a new series.
26 standalone eps = 30 minute commercial format where nothing is connected to the previous eps, no continuity, no references to previous experiences = crappy cartoons. That's all this sounds like, 30 min. commercials just to plug the damn toy line and crap. They've been doing that recently too...shoving products in our face. The ep they just showed, with them spending 3 mos in the dino times felt like an afterthought(i know it was in the comics) and threw it in there to get kids to want the dinosaur toys. Ugh. This is what leads me not to wanna watch it. But I am...just for Raph. :-)

Yeah it's true the kids it's targeted at just want a fun, exciting show to watch.

The diff between fan and average kid, is we actually care about the series and characters.

You don't need to be cancelled to lose all sense of purpose and quality

Seriously, how many threads are we going to have about the same thing?
We haven't been wronged yet so I won't put my opinion in till I see it. We'll all be back here next season anyway so wait until then to either praise it or bitch about it.

The salient question is, can you do a quality series without drawing on previous installments? I would say "yes"... I can't say they will succeed, but I see no reason to expect them to fail, at this point.

"Mikey" has also informed the fans that the characters will continue to evolve from where they leave off before Fast Forward. Maybe it won't be so completely bereft of references to their previous lives.

I am excited about Fast Forward, as everyone should be. It sounds interesting and it will be a different kind of show, but not too different. There will still be good action and cool characters, I'm sure. I'm so happy the upcoming figures look great, and show-accurate.

Seriously, Cody being a "young teen" character and the lame ass "Dark Turtle" names scream all manners of gimmicked toy plugging queerness, and from Pete's quick decision making regarding the lost seasons, I don't even beleive he likes doing this period.

Stand Alones are'nt in his volcaubulary, every episode means something to the TMNT mythology, the studios don't care though

Well the series is already signed on for another season after fast forward isnt it? so no matter what we should be getting that...I hope.

I am soooo sick and tired of everyone freaking out and worrying about Fast Forward. Here's an idea: Let's let next September get here THEN we can judge. Again, the first 8 episodes of the second season delt with the Turtles in Space saga... Why not let this be? There are only so many more stories they can do from the comics, then they have to come up with whole new original ideas. This is one of those whole new original ideas. You guys are all freaking out and getting ahead of yourselves. As I said in one of the previous threads: If it was meant to be, let it be. If, and I stress the word IF, it faulters, then it was a good run. 6 seasons is a hell of a lot better in today's current market than you all are putting it out to be.

Will Fast Forward be the end of the TMNT '03? No. Why? Because They have a lot more going for them than this and this sure as hell isn't the end.

1. It is'nt original, this is something corporations pull out of their desperate asses for bigger bucks, time travel/futuristic gimmicks have been present before on many shows and franchises, Batman Beyond, The Smurfs (the last season where they were stuck in time), The Flintstones Meet The Jetsons, Beast Machines etc, and we all know what happened with them, all except Beyond were cancelled, and Beyond was lucky, it's second season was watered down by the network and they could'nt bring back Blight or any of the arc driven characters from the earlier episodes and only adapted to this by season three, by which time it was too late and the series got cancelled.

2. Turtles In Space was a majority consensus pile of suck that should have been wrapped up in five, the last two being "Secret Origins" in a two part format

3. We have a right to offer up opinions on what we think of the premise so far, it's actually the apologists that get bent out of shape more often than we do because they can't deal with a majority consensus going against the show at this stage.

Some people are determined to beleive that, because it's TMNT, these problems are going to slip by, it won't be, no show has done it before, nor will they now, the premise sounds nauccisating, the age of Cody is a Scrappy Doo alert if I have ever seen one, and the "Dark Turtle" labelling is just boarderline lazy. There's a toyline being peddled with this season, and it's more than obvious with the production of the lost season that somebody is allowing this to go ahead begrudgingly just to keep the show on the air so he can continue the storylines that were interupted by this.

Most series' don't have four multiplatform games, more toys than any child needs, a new movie in the works, or over 100 episodes by the end of season four with two more seasons lined up. Ninja turtles is special. Don't get worried until they start transforming into large beasts, or call upon their robots to form into an ultra robot.

Oh wow... I didn't know they had figures designed already. This is my first look at the characters..

Just an observation: the Turtle figures look more like Dooney's promo art than the previous figures; those looked more like the look in the show. I read somewhere on the Argh! Studios forums that the look was changing slightly for the sixth season, and the artists were trying to get used to it... so this new season is actually what was once the sixth season? I guess this is the new look? This is confusing...

Oh... I found these:
http://69.93.119.2/photo/4/showphoto...to=1273&cat=82
http://69.93.119.2/photo/4/showphoto...to=1260&cat=82

if those pictures in the top circles are drawings direct from the model sheets (they might be, considering how neutral the positions are), the look has changed a bit! Not so different that it looks like a different series or anything... just a slight change in head shape (let's see if these guys actually look like their model sheets, unlike the current characters :p), the angles of the shell; actually, all the angles have been streamlined. On the other hand, it could look exactly the same, and whoever did the package art just can't draw on model. :p

Cody definitely looks like a biological descendent of April... so I guess she gets to be a normal human being after all, or at least has different physical properties than Mirage's April. (I always thought, if the woman has a bloodstream, and organs, and all that, it didn't quite make sense that she wouldn't just be a normal woman in all aspects, strange origin aside)

Sterling/Serling (typo?) - looks like something Peter Laird would design (not saying he did, but it is consistant with the Mirage look). That kinda clunky-charming look, like the professor. :)

All the gear I'm seeing, and weird weapons.. it reminds me a bit of The Next Mutation, and that look never thrilled me much. :ohwell: On the other hand, the ones that look like they may glow, are reminiscent of the Guardians' swords.

*eeps* Dark Turtles...?! what kind of bizarre things are those..? Isn't Don's current form strange and snarly-growly-monstrous enough already? And these guys don't look much more intelligent than he is at the moment. *shrug* I'm really curious to see what they're gonna do with all these strange characters.

Yeah, I'm whining about the toy designs, but who knows how they'll actually look in the show? The figures are usually considerably different than what's on screen. So, no, I'm not panicking, I'm just not a real big fan of gimmicky action figures.

Interesting trivia.. that was good of him! More actors need to speak up when they think something's stupid. :p

Yes, okay, you do have a point. :)

Those Dark Turtles really have me going "eep", though...

Those Dark Turtles really have peaked my intrest, I originally picture them looking like the TMNT, but black, and for some reason, in leather.

I also hope Serling isn't the typical annoying robot like Robby the Robot and C-3PO, and I hope he's more informative like Commander Data on Star Trek(granted, Data's an androind but still).

Also, this new Jammerhead character looks very intresting, and psycho.

Well after Season 4 there's the Lost Season and the fast Forward Season. So after that I'm sure its gonna be a wrap. I mean they're not gonna overdue it like they did the old school series. that's a total of 6 seasons which is the usual total of stuff like this.

...No it is'nt, the original TMNT went ten years, if anything the new cartoon is the longest running chidrens' animated series in years compared to most other shows that are axed at five or four

Fast Forward won't be the last season, it's too gimmicked to conclude the show the way it is

I'm aware that the TMNT of old lasted 10 seasons. I meant that's how most cartoons are nowdays.
And as much as I'm sure you'll hate to admit it Fast Forward does look like it will be the end.

Why does it look like it'll be the end? It's already beena nnounced that they are signed up for a 6th season. Unless that was before they decided to scrap the real 5th season and replace it with Fast Forward. Either way, there's too much money to be made for them to stop it at this season. There is a movie in the works that will be released in a year. By then, Fast Forward will be close to it's finale. Right now there is no reason to think it'll be over soon, unless Fast Forward bombs horribley, and the movie is a huge flop.

I'm thinking that instead of drawing new viewers to the show, Fast Forward will probably alienate some of the current fan base and put off anybody who'd otherwise be interested in the new Ninja Turtles...

Some regular viewers (not necessarily hardcore fans like us) might just say, "What happened to all the stuff I remember from last season?" and switch to another channel.

More casual TV viewers who haven't been watching the new toon but are familiar with the old TMNT might catch a second or two of Fast Forward and say, "Jeez, this is nothing like the Ninja Turtles I remember!" I think that's my biggest fear...No matter how well-written or brilliantly concieved this new "future" concept may be, it will undoubtedly look and sound drastically different and thus will likely scare off some potential viewers.

The old 'toon is a beloved property, and any new rendition of the Ninja Turtles that differs in a significant manner from what people remember will likely be met with at least a little bit of hostility. I certainly know that when I first saw the new Turtles, I was put off and switched the channel.

...Thankfully I returned and realised how well-crafted this new series is. But some people probably won't.

Either way, it'd still be better than anything foxbox has to offer.

Agreed. :ohwell:

In the end, all this bickering is rather pointless -- it's already in the books, there's nothing we can do about it, and in any event, the skilled writers of TMNT wouldn't desecrate the franchise to the extent some of you are fearing. Let's just relax, take a deep breath, and see what happens...

I don't "admit" anything I don't beleive to be true, you're open to giving up though.

Hm. Mm-hm.

It's just my personal opinion that those cartoons ON THE BOX, NOT GUARANTEED TO BE SEEN THIS FALL look much more kid-friendly than the current green team. Especially Don's new look. I don't much like the over-simplified Team Titans copycat look.

Ah, but who knows. Perhaps they'll wow us with intriguing plot, smart dialogue, and outstanding action.:|

No they didn't. Atleats not to my knowledge.

Ewww.... :dead:

I don’t think there’s a strong correlation between box art and show art, but you never know.