Do you like TMNT FF?
 

I love it! They have a new look, new enviorment, new enemies, and new weapons. What cold possibly be better?

An intelligent script?

Fast foward is terrible. I mean I tried to enjoy it but it was just not as good as 2k3 series.

Also I am thinking of buying the fast foward dvd becuase I never even seen the first episode. I only seen a couple of the last few.

I hated it initially, but bought the volume one DVD and after giving it half a chance, it's not bad. It way not be on the level of 2k3, but there are far worse action cartoons out there.

Did we really need yet another thread asking us of our opinion on FF?

Ditto. There are too many threads like this.

I really, really don't like it. ANd I went into the thing with a lot of optimism that I would love it, and I came out of it feeling very disillusioned. I'm sorry other may like it but FF just isn't doing it for me, and I feel rather cheated as a TMNT fan.

as you can see the fans are split over this one lol:lol:
Me when I first saw it I thought it was ok simply because we finally got something differnt than angry leonardo every episode, them fighting shredder every episode, or fighting karai every episode.
But after finally getting to see everything since buying the dvd it's become one of my favorite tmnt even if it isn't the best I really like the characters allot and find the humor that was missing in the 2k3 series now to be there atleast a little more anways.
I used to deffend it all the time because of it simply being a tmnt show but I no longer care what anyone else thinks I like it and I'm not here to change anyones opinions on anyone or anything. :D

Where's the fun in that?:)

Yeha, and FF's one of them. There is nothing, NOTHING, redeemable about this, it's as generic and as badly written as Camp Lazlo and Fosters. It does'nt take advantage of anything. It's "comfort food" television. I don't know what Laird was thinking when he approved the lighter touches, they could have made this Batman Beyond or Phantom 2040, and they pulled a "Smurfs: Lost In Time", or a "Incredible Hulk and She-Hulk", and the entire first season of the 1990's Fantastic Four. In contrast to what shows are doing now, The Batman, KND, Jake Long (don't like it, but it has had some seriously compelling story arcs at times), and other shows that TMNT spearheaded in it's earlier seasons, it is, objectivly, a huge step back.

It's embarassing to see fans stand up to this really, I just think there lowering their tastes, and when the series gets back to the levels it used to be, if ever, they'll admit that watching FF was just out of sheer fan loyalty.

Even if theis wasn't connected to the 2K3 series, I would still hate this show.

The animation is horrid and the style and tone make it worse, the characters have lost all the maturity they've gained, and Cody and Serling are terribley remniscent of the annoying sidekicks of the 1980's.

I am tolerating it. It is not bad but it no where near the level of 2k3.

the quality went down the drain. its like they aren't even trying.

I've only seen one episode, so I'm not gonna vote, but based on that one episode it seemed okay… no where near as good as it was. Honestly, though, every show is bound to fall off eventually if it sticks around long enough and I'd rather have something like this that is separate from the original and doesn't taint it's legendary greatness.

ok ok whats worse FF or the next mutation?

thanks for pretty much summing up my thoughts on the whole FF thing. Its not so much that FF sucks (although it pretty much does in my opinion) its the fact that they took a well written, mature good quality show and turned it into a cookie-cutter saturday cartoon. I haven't liked an American cartoon as much as this one since Mighty Max and Gargoyals and I'm not happy that its been watered down.

Yeah, I've stated my opinion on this many times, but in leui of me typing this over and over again, I'll just say...

I agree with Zarius. Every single thing he says about FF.





...until he starts liking it, or something.

I would go into my trademark rant on how much it has deteriated, but I'm like Jo and not going to bother. Zarius has everything down on this one. Basically, if they had a better story line and artwork, I would be a bit happier. Then if they throw those bad jokes out, that part of my soul that was taken away when I saw Fast Forward might return...

I don't think Zarius will ever like FF. And if he does I would have lost faith in humanity...

I persoanly wouldn't mind FF if it was temporary and if it was done in the same way as the previuos seasons of of the orginal 2k3 series (as well as the orginal 2k3 animation style). And if They incorporated some of volume four stroy line into it.

you're really gonna have to learn some day zarius to take you're own advice and see that not everyone likes the same things.
I also find it insulting that you would say that about fans. How about you sticking up for Lawson all the time and acting childish and stooping to the level of calling people names because of it?
There is a difference between having an opinion and being down right disrespectful of others minds. You Sir take the cake and smoosh it all over peoples faces.
My entire family sits an watches fosters together btw & the kids love it.
You know kids shows can be fun because these shows are for kids in the first place not us the older fans or you forgeting the 80's turtle cartoon we all love so much which is silly and wacky more than anything.
And nope I actully do like the show believe what you want to because I know you will anyways.
But I actully do like the ideas yes the could have been done better but the basic concepts of evil tmnt is something that should have been done years ago.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 4.8, so I'm not going to give it a simple yes or no. And, that's an average rating for the entire >>> run so far.

This is my opinion exactly. I still watch FF and think it's better than 90% of the other stuff on TV. But you don't mess with near perfection and turn it into something sub-par. I did enjoy the Turtle Titan ep though, it's the only one I consider so far to be on par with some of the stuff from 2K3. I'm also a little scared to admit I mostly liked the Raph wrestling ep too. But 2 out of 13 is not a good record.

Next Mutation is still much worse.

now that is something I think the entire fandom can agree on haha:lol:

Don't take this personally, but this is where I stand.
 

Fast Forward sucks. It is not a matter of taste, nor of opinion, but of fact.:| Fast Forward is not entertainment; it is crap in its basest form. It is a half-assed attempt to squeeze out a McCartoon from a bunch of fugly, blasphemous toys bearing the TMNT insignia.

Now, now... don't speak for ALL of us there, pumpkin. ;) :P We may have to break our agreeing streak.


Yeah, I dunno. I'm kinda weighing the options here; PC Unneeded girl turtle? Or Cody? *thinks*

It's reallllly close, because I loathe Cody more than about anything...

Batman Beyond was Batman Beyond because the Batman series they were making at the time was so insanely popular that the network approved a new Batman series over one meeting and let the creators run with it.

TMNT has had **** ratings since season 3 and season 4 helped the rating decline even more by further pushing the envelope. Problem is kids didn't realize how much they liked the old series until they made the switch to FF. I've talked to a few friends younger siblings who have told me they miss the 2K3 series and wish it would go back. Kids don't dig FF anymore but there's nothing laird can do.

It's happy and lame because 4Kids wanted it that way. You can tell it wasn't written that way, just watch the episodes and tell me you don't see the dark undertones? It's there and it has potential but Laird isn't allowed to let loose on it like he did on the 2K3 series. I mean the old toon had more figth scenes in it then FF. And the fight scenes in FF feel very "Implied" where you hear what happening but most of the time it's showing two people dialogging while the fight is happening around them. He's on a short lease and there's nothing he can do about it unless he finds another network to air his show. Which won't be happening anytime soon since he's contract bound to 4Kids.

The only FF fight I liked so far was the one on the boat in the ep where the video games were stolen I think. That had some nice moves and animation. But that's the only stand out fight so far in my mind, because just as it finally looks like we're going to get a good fight, Cody show up in his stupid battlesuit to save the day. I wish the TMNT could have a fight with the villains once again without Cody busting in and ruining it.

hahaha I knew so much you where gonna say that haha it's all good...I'm happy with a happy medium myself but it's cool that others don't care for it.
But I've learned not to shove my opions down others throats it would be nice it others could do the same.
ahaha noooooo lol but it's ok.
And yeah and lord I hope no one starts a pole over this but It's hard to decide who's more annoying venus or codey I think I'd still say venus...one shes like poof ohhh I was in the bowl...codey is april and casey's flesh and blood and actully could fit into a story even if it's one just about most of the fans hate lol.:lol:

Or they could just actually enjoy it. I find it embarassing when people get so worked up about it, and you seem to think less of people who DO enjoy it.:ohwell:

I've said it numerous times already....but, what the hell, I'll say it again.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:x

It's absolute garbage to me, and I was one of the few people who defended it LONG before it started airing. I figured: "It sounds iffy, but there's NO WAY it could suck. It's got the same crew working on it that's been working on it this whole time, it'll be great!"

Boy, was I wrong or what?

I sat through the first episode (which took A LOT of effort to do), and then I never looked back (except to watch "The Journal" out of desperation of hopefully seeing good TMNT again...it wasn't much of an improvement to the rest of FF).

It's trash.

I do think less of them. Nothing wrong with freedom of expression.:)

Thanks for proving my point though. "Lowering your tastes" pretty much amounts TO "enjoy it"

That's probably the pettiest thing I've heard in a long time. And how has what I've said proved your point?

I think it's a pretty decent series but I want my 2k3 boys back.

Got to love it when people ignore you after you show them up. That seems to happen alot on this forum.

Yeah, and just about every other forum that exists.

The change from 2K3 to FF has been pretty jarring, but it's not because it has the turtles in the future.

Look at the basic premise for FF as compared to the Ninja Tribunal season. The turtles being trained by mystical ninjas in Japan and summoning their own mystical powers to fight an ancient demon vs. going into the future. If I only had this to go on I'd say the Ninja Tribunal arc was further into the jump the shark category. Of course, for those who have seen both, the Ninja Tribunal arc is hands down better.

Why? There are a few reasons. The first of which is that the turtles are kept in character. Making the turtles act OOC for the sake of some laughs is not cool. Introducing several lifeless comic relief characters, see: Serling, that other British sounding robot, Biggles? And my biggest problem is just the abundance of missed opportunities. Fast Forward could have been good. Several of the characters have potential for good storylines, but they've been bogged down by repeated attempts to appeal to the younger crowd. There is definitely some potential with characters like the Inuwashi Gunjin and Viral. I was hoping for something good with the Dark turtles, but they're just another bunch of bumbling villains.

All I really need to say about the Ninja Tribunal arc is that it really isn't different. It's a very different setting, but it's still the same turtles both in character and in quality.

It's not that change is necessarily bad, but with FF, most of the changes have been for the worse. That being said, I have been watching FF and I will continue to do so. I can tell the writers are trying to please the fans while working under greater pressure from 4kids to do things their way. Still, it's not quite enough. It's not all bad, but it could and should be so much better than it is.

Although I still consider Fast Forward to be the sixth season of TMNT, it's so radically different that it's practically more of a spin-off than a new season. I do enjoy Fast Forward...to a certain extent. I do like the goofiness of it at times. However, I don't like the animation all too well. And I especially don't like the 'It's Ninja Time!' screamed 3 times an episode. With this being the same crew that did 2k3, I can't believe they couldn't make it at least somewhat on part with 2k3.

2k3 was an amazing cartoon. Up there with Batman: The Animated Series as a Saturday Morning Cartoon that pushed the envelope. It's a shame that 4kids had to take that away from us. I really think they might be regretting it. With 'Membership Drive' set to air next Saturday, I think they might be re-testing the waters with the original 2k3 design to see if people will latch back onto it again. However, I don't expect them to switch back, since that would make them look like fools. If anything, they'll just stay with the Fast Forward concept until they feel it's time for the Turtles to end on TV. Which, will be a sad day indeed. At least we got 5 great seasons before they decided to **** it up.

ive seen a few eps and couldnt stand it, same thing with 2K3 for me, i guess the only one i like is the 87 show, lol im just die hard 87 i suppose and nothing lives up to that show for me, and i guess never will.

That's pretty foolish. I prefer the original over the new series, but the new series is arguably just as good

I can't believe the votes. If you call your self a TMNT fan you would always like TMNT no matter what, what a bunch of posers! jk but seriously