Official Episode Discussion: "Web Wranglers"
 

Welcome, my dear readers!

Once more, I present a rough-and-tumble teaser with enough meat to sink your teeth into (or tofu, whichever your choose).

AS we saw last week, Shredder has been able to find himself the last information needed to make himself a web portal in order to come into the real world. And as all evil geniuses know, you don't just leap willy-nilly into a door without testing it..

So the turtles get to come out of the lair once again to deal with a mess of Shredder's test subjects. Mutants of every kind to run rampant in the city. Critters from all over the web - are we going to see the boys getting chased by those nasty aliens from Halo? Maybe some look-alikes from Doom or Quake.. more cameos of Moo Montana, and the C.O.W. Boys? who knows. What we Do know, is they're in for one hell of a fight. The chance of seeing Bishop in this (or any) episode at this point seems small, but we can't give up the idea. We're bound to see him at some point!

We will no doubt be seeing the boys delve into the cyberworld once more to stop Shredder from getting into the real world. While some still have a hard time warming up to the idea, we've been pleasantly surprised by most of the episodes so far this season - the entire work is better than the summary.

So consider these and other questions that may be posed to you as you watch this episode:

HOW WILL SHREDDER MAKE HIS CYBERPORTAL?!
COULD THE SHREDDER USE SOME OF SPLINTER'S DATA AS BLACKMAIL AGAINST THE TURTLES?!
WILL THE BOYS BE ABLE TO DESTROY SHREDDER'S PORTAL BEFORE HE ENTERS THE REAL WORLD?!
WHERE'S THE HOT WINGS AND FREE BEER?! - I swear if I could, I'd have it for everyone after this week.


And even though Congress tries to filibuster me when I say it...

STAY TUNED!!!

Okay, folks... I'm opening the thread early today, if there's a mod here, please build a poll. I'll be back later tonight...

Whoohoo! My first time being able to see the new 'toon (no CW at home - visiting family).

My first question is, why are Raph and Leo wearing unitards?! Ick!

This ep was like the old Playmates toyline, find a new animal to mutate!

It was a fun episode overall, decent plot, nice action, its just too bad we didn't see much of the Foot fight. I loved what they did to Shredder at the end, boy will he be pissed now!

LOL @ Channel 6 news reporter with the yellow jacket.

Boy This episode sure has some eye rolling moments so far.
The Turtles wearing clothing for starters, I mean I know Playmates is trying to sell those Mini Mutants but I don't know it just looks silly animated.
Was I the only person the notice Mikey's eye color kept changing?
And until Don said something about it being digital I was like how the hell is that Rat Monster breathing in the sewage?
The channel 6 news thing was great, could have only been better had they made it a Vernon look alike.
So this episode is ok, it's progressing the story I guess, seems sort of wasted though know how many we have left.
Is anyone else still getting an old Toon vibe? I'm seriously getting one with this back to the sewer series.
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed Donatello didn't make a comment or go after that Mutant Turtle.
Hah! That damn chipmunk is so freaking cute!
Seems like maybe this won't be such a waste of an episode after all if Shredder is finally going to get out.
We seriously need a good old to be continued, I think it would do this show some good.
Wow that was great at the end, that deformed mutated Shredder was insane looking I think that may be one of my all time favorite scenes now from the show.
And when he flung Khan and the new Foot Soldier out Khan hit his head off the lamp post, I was shocked he wasn't knocked out.
But now Shredder is back inside, leaving me feel as if this was indeed a wasted episode even with all the action and that great scene.
Oh and Shredder making that Exodus comment, reminded me his memory wasn't saved around that time period so I don't believe know knows all of that happened.
Hardly, at least with the old toon and Archie comics those mutants had personalities all their own.

Yeah... the clothes...it's part of the new show. It's becoming a bit jarring, too.

Anyways, Great episode.
"I will love him and hug him and call him George." Is it me, or is Mikey getting funnier? :lol:

A plot hole (How was Don able to tell the rat was digital so easily? And then figure out it must have come from a picture from a nature website?) Maybe more time passed than what we saw in the show.

Mikey had an excellent idea! YAY!

Anyone else notice Kahn gets thrown around QUITE Frequently? And there's always some huge explosion?

Can't wait for next week. :D

Pretty entertaining episode. Not absolutely as amazing as it could have been... and that extreme sports crap was so forced into the script. But we're definitely building up to something (too bad next week's episode seems like a FF concept they had left over).

I really wish more time was spent on the Shredder being a monster thing and rampaging through the city, instead of the last couple minutes of the show.

Anyone else think the giant Turtle was close to a Tokka reference? I mean, he had spikes on his back.

And I Just loved seeing that reference to channel 6 news.

Started like crap, but turned out to be a good episode... that accomplished almost nothing as far moving the story goes.

And please tell me that preview for next week's ep was a joke!

Sadly, no it's not...seriously looked like a halloween episode or something.
This cyber sh1t is for the birds! And you know it's bad when I'm saying it!:lol:

Awesome episode today!

I liked how Leo said how he felt so useless! 'Bout time the writters let the other turtles how they feel about Master Splinter. Also nice to see some leadership from Leo again.

While this was a good episode, it reminded me of Good Genes from season four. What also was simular was the old TMNT toon. I almost laughted during the whole channel six reporter news.

I don't know how the shell they are going to wrap this series up in just four more episodes. Not only do we need to Cybra Shreeder to come back, but also Ch'rell and Karai.

Hey, I wonder how 'George' will get along with Kluk, LOL! I doubt we will see George again, but you never know!

Nah, it looked like something for Fast Forward season 2 (or 3... I'm still confused about that). If it brings Shred head into the "Real" world, I'm all for it. But it's territory Duck Dodgers did a buzzillion times better.

Not much to savor from this episode although I did like the King Kong and mutant turtle jokes and there were some nice moments from Leo (I'm STILL waiting to see Don in his stealth suit, urgh!) Hopefully Don upgraded their cyber suits after last episode.
Next week's episode though, as I mentioned already catching a sneak peek of in the "Identity Crisis" thread, looks good. Yes it looks filler but it also looks like it's going to be as hella funny as a "Supernatural" filler! Raph having to play as the court jester cracked me up and it's only going to get more funny when he turns into that frog! :lol:

Change that to "turned out to be a meh episode" and that's my answer, exactly.

These episodes lately, while entertaining, aren't furthering the story any. I was half-thinking Shredder would return to reality, but if he did, the Turtles could get the rest of Splinter easily without a threat in the cyber-world. So I have a feeling Shredder won't return for another four episodes.. Also, weren't we supposed to see Usagi this season? I can't remember.

The other thing weird about this season is no mention of Bishop or Karai (ok, one cutscene). It seems that they've fallen off the face of the earth, just like Leatherhead and Fugitoid.

This was a really good episode I'm not a fan of the cyber stuff I mean Cyber Mutant animals coming invading New York is well its not a really cool concept besides it was a recycled plot that was done better with Bishop on season 4. We finally get to see the turtles fight the new foot ninja it took what over half the damn season to show them. I also like the fact the Turtles felt more in character Mikey wasn't overly stupid in fact he was awesome the whole way through for once. The guys actaully felt bad for not being much help in finding Splinter and are actaully concerned. I liked some of the mutant animals they look creepy I especially loved the monster turtle now thats what a Dark Turtle should have looked like. Wished the Monster Cyber Shredder lasted longer it was also really cool. Also no Serling. :D

Now what I didn't like was the fact that this episode didn't advance the plot at all. I swear almost nothing from the main plotline has been advanced. What is everything that actaully matter will happen in the last two episodes? If so thats going to be a mess. The extreme sports gear was lame I dont mind them getting some exersise and and having some extreme sports fun but that was way to forced. Really thats about it.

Anyone else love that Khaun killed his Cyber Clone so ruthlessly that was awesome.

Here it is the moment you've been waiting for! Maybe not....Jester's Running Commentary!(EDIT: I just notices with the new avatar, that Clopin quote totally works! :P)

Very good points Shred Head you nailed this episode (even though I particualrly didn't like it)! As for the last sentence, it really does look like that dart than Khan shot his doppleganger with was poisoned. I hope that's the case as well b/c one's bad enough. :(

P.S. Where'd you get that icon Jester? Do you have early access to episodes?

"I will love him and hug him and call him George.":lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Priceless!

Next Episode: "I hate video games....ribbit.":lol: I almost feel sorry for poor Raph. Next thing you know Leo will turn into a normal turtle that talks, end up flat on his shell, and be like "Help I'm a turtle and I can't get up!":lol:

Interesting ep. Don found a way to defeat the creatures a bit too quick IMO. But I love it when they wear their ninja outfits. Especially Raph... :evilgrin:

I suppose tho that if they were so insistant on having a TMNT card show they got it with Shredder's zoo in this ep.

Best parts of the ep where the red headed channel 6 news reporter wearing yellow (was her name April or Irma?)
and George the Squirrel.

Next week: Mikey's a wizard and Raph's a Court Jester...frog...*lol*

Now for a couple questions:
1: Why can't the turtles help Don find Splinter?

Quotes:
"I will love him and cuddle him and call him George!" - Mikey

.......................637 IQ.................is that even possible?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that funny. :lol:

Me 2! I only wish we saw Kluk's reaction to George!

How else do you explain Donny being able to create a machine that can send them to the digital world?

I found this episode very enjoyable. Kahn getting thrown out actually looks brutal. I love how they went into detail showing everything he hits on the way down.

Or making a frickin' flying car in the second episode of the series out of junkyard scraps? Don's intellegence has been so ridiculous throughout the show that a 637 IQ is actually the most plausible explanation we have...and it's still ridiculous.

Anyway, I slept through the TV premiere this morning, and I've only seen the first part on a certain "tube" so far. I've really enjoyed the first ten minutes, though.

...................Good point.

This episode was pretty good, I think. It started out kinda poorly, but ended up redeeming itself. I guess it was a good thing that I didn't expect much.

The mutants were kinda neat even though they had somewhat of a cyber aspect. In a way, they reminded of something I'd see in a B movie, especially because Mikey referenced King Kong. Plus, the scenes where the Turtles encountered the mutants made for some good action.

All in all, this episode felt above average and the humor was nice. The cyber aspect didn't bother me as much as before, so that was relief. Next week's looks like it'll be decent.

Another episode that did absolutely nothing for me. And from the preview, I can name 437,598 things I would rather do than watch next weekend's episode. I believe this series is officially dead now unless they REALLY impress me on the final few episodes. And.....they were in their black ninja/cybernaught uniforms again during the fights. Shocking... :roll:
Jack

Well, I'm back sooner than expected. I'll post a poll asap.

Now, while watching, a thought came to me. Shredder was taking pictures from the internet, sending them through his portal, with an end product of a solid physical form. If they were able to take a picture of Splinter while on the cyberside, couldn't they make a REAL copy of him and send it to the real world?

It seems that this could have been a major step in their mission - They may have just destroyed the one thing that could have brought Splinter. He wouldn't be a fully organic form, however... perhaps this is why they did not think of it? Perhaps the digital darts would have been too much of a danger to him. Or, if they had continued getting his parts from the internet, they'd have to face the idea of killing off one of their Splinters.

This question becomes a bit of a Frankensteinian moral dilemma. Would their copy of Splinter be a true living thing, or just a copy with no emotional memory?



In all, I found it a mediocre episode that really didn't push any storylines. I would give it two out of five stars. They missed an opportunity to do something to create some new interest and maybe even a little controversy. And after seeing the preview for next week's 'jump in a videogame' episode, my guess is that we'll be seeing some new lows in the season...

I just saw the whole thing. I could post my opinions, but why bother, since Cowabunga14 expressed them pretty much exactly. It was a fun episode with decent humor and action, but nothing jaw-dropping.

Is there a place where I can see next week's preview online?

I think people keep forgetting that the series is, and has always ostensibly been a children's cartoon. Even in the darkest depths of say, Season 4, they never would've tackled questions of identity and cloning morality. Seriously.

That's very true, it Is a kid's show. This was just a comment solely for side discussion here, cuz of the uber-analyzers we've got here on the forum. ;)

Oh really? Are you forgetting Splinter's speech to Bishop about playing God with his genetic experiments, which included creating a clone of both of them in The Ultimate Slayer?

I'm hoping that someone from The Turtles' lives will end up as one of the gamers in next week's episode... maybe Leatherhead is this legendary gamer they're referring to? I'm pretty sure he has other interests than building transmats and whining about being a monster, lol. Also from the short clip that aired after the episode, it looks like Shredder is in the game.

Telling Bishop to not play God is a throw away one-liner in typical action adventure style. It was a cut-and-dried evil clone scenario. A little edgy for a kid's cartoon, but honestly, if I was in charge and someone brought me a script that had the Turtles wrestling with the moral implications of creating a new Splinter and where his identity lay and whether or not to kill one of them, I'd say, "No way."

But I wasn't trying to start an argument, and neither was Machias Banshee, so it's not really important. Just remember that it's a kid's show.

Heh, I'm just an instigator... ;) Poll's open!

Who the flip was arguing? I was just interjecting what I thought was a relevant incident in which a character was warned about the moral issues of his actions. Hell, even the mention of God in this day and age in a children's cartoon gets a red flag from some soccer moms, let alone accusing someone of emulating him. Apparently, in the event of the Judeo-Christian soccer moms, you're allowed to worship him, but not have him mentioned in children's programming. I remember an uproar over a couple of episodes of the 90's X-Men.

Anyway, dude, I'm not trying to be your adversary. We can discuss without an anything being an argument.

Given the reaction of Khan's digital copy, do you even need to ask? Besides, if it was your dad missing with a small chance of getting him back (with some hard work and determination), wouldn't you go the extra mile instead of comissioning your local mad scientist to make a clone of him?

I was gratified to hear the explanation for why the guys haven't been helping a lot with getting Splinter's data back... just what I thought, they feel out of their league, and that it's best to stay out of Donnie's way. Yay for stating it implicitly. :goofygri:

Ew at third rail and rat-critter... :ohwell:

I chuckled at the "chipmunk" (Overlooking that it's actually a squirrel...;)) swimming around in whatever suspension Don had it in. Though the argument that a fully-formed creature wouldn't be dart-able is rather silly... either way, it's still data, just well-formed data instead of bad data. :|

As far as I know, sewage does not sit exposed in open vats on rooftops... nor does it glow... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73...ons/unsure.gif Eh, let the painters have their fun, I guess, LOL.

I'm starting to be quite convinced that Karai has a BTtS design solely for that tiny cameo she got earlier on... and even then, half of the appearance was reused footage. I'm pretty sad, but I guess they wanted to make the Foot more accessable to people new to the show, who wouldn't necessarily know who Karai is. Perhaps the same goes for Bishop; they feel like their stories are too complicated to reintroduce? Their positions are too ambiguous, maybe? It seems like they want more black and white "good and "bad" this season, though that doesn't explain Baxter's somewhat ambiguous position earlier on... I don't know. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not holding my breath.

Machias has some good points about using the Shredder's portal to bring Splinter back; but yeah, as you say... it's not quite the same as actually recovering him (especially if it didn't capture everything that makes him him, so to speak), and if they did later on, they would find themselves with two Splinters. That... would be awkward. :lol: Though it does open up new possibilities... transcendental lathe that can make organic creatures? Or maybe it always could do that...

Exactly. As a Christian who is actually studying for ministry in a very conservative seminary, this quote made my day. :D You're right on, The S! Now let's all mums the word on the subject. :P

And I thought Mikey was genuinely funny in this episode without being an idiot. Kudos to the writers.

Hey! You're stealing my schtick!!

at least they finally gave an explanation as to why they aren't helping Don.
So why do they keep wearing clothes now? Maybe its chilly out -they are cold blooded:ohwell:, just my random guess...its that or playmates keep kidnapping them:evil:

I though the mutants - some of them anyway - looked pretty cool - especially the turtle and wolves!:D
I was a bit 'eh' on cybershredder coming out, but I thought Khan just killing his clone like that so quickly was just despicable -I liked!:evilgrin:
Um...don getting 'under the hood'?:o
Soo...the chipmunk turned into real life? The turtles change to data and back again, so I guess...cyber just makes my head spin...:sick::dead:

Heck, can't believe I forgot the wolves! we had Tokka and Rahzar! :P