Various things about the villains you wish were expanded upon
 

Some things I've been thinking about:

- What does Shredder actually do on the business side of things? In the 4kids series we watched Saki become a spokesperson for NYC, work with the Mayor, and ran underground dealings.

The Nick Shredder just seems to sit in his evil throne room all day. I hope we get to see more of, "Oroku Saki" without his armor on doing day to day dealings.

- The Purple Dragons seem to consist of only 3 people now that Xever is gone. They're not much of a gang at this point, I really hope to see them expand. I understand they don't want to create too many character models, but seeing these same 3 guys get beaten over and over is going to get tiring.

- Was Snake the only human to work for The Kraang?

- Where does Baxter Stockman get the technology to build the Mousers from? He got fired from the TCRI building, but what exactly did he get out of them?

- Chris Bradford was famous, does nobody notice he's missing? Will Dogpound ever show regret that he can't go back to his normal human life?


Just things I hope they address in time.

2k3's Saki sat in his 'evil throne room' for a while at first too, man. Give it time.

I'm sure most if not all of your questions and concerns will be addressed.

Yeah, this stuff will undoubtedly be expanded upon. I'm most interested in the motivations of the Kraang at this point, and how it will link to Shredder.

Yeeees... but I feel there's substantial differences in execution that shouldn't be ignored. In 2k3, every successive episode would give us additional information or would progress the storyline in some way.

1. "Things Change": Shredder first hears about the turtles. Functionally identical to the scene in Rise of the Turtles.

2. "A Better Mousetrap" / "Attack of the Mousers": We learn of the Shredder's connections to Stocktronics; Saki gets photographic evidence of the turtles' existence.

3. "Darkness at the Edge of Town": We're given hints of the Shredder's overall plans; in the end, he decides that something has to be done about the turtles. We are first told of the Shredder's "enemies".

4. "The Way of Invisibility": The Shredder sets out to determine whether the turtles are connected to his enemies; by the end of the episode, he determines that they aren't, which means it may be possible to turn them over to his side.

5. "The Shredder Strikes": The Shredder makes his offer; we get a (false) description of his enemies; the turtles fight the Shredder for the first time.

In the Nick cartoon, the Shredder plotline is basically in the same place it's been since "New Friends, Old Enemies": the Shredder still wants to eliminate Hamato Yoshi for reasons that have not been elaborated upon since then. Despite his efforts, he is no closer to achieving his goal, and we've yet to learn anything substantial about the character. While how one feels about either toon's execution is a matter of personal opinion, I don't think that one can argue that they're similar in anything but the most superficial of ways.

In any case, to answer the question, I too, would like to know more about the Shredder.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't do anything "on the business side of things". It seems to me that the Foot Clan makes its money through assassination contracts, strong-arming/protecting other gangs, and burglary.

yep. and this is, of course, simply speculation, but i wonder if "Oruku Saki" isn't around as much as The Shredder because of the scarring on his face.

Imagine the excitement from children when they tune in to see an episode where Shredder MAKES BUSINESS DEALS! OooOOOoooOooh Buddy. I can barely contain myself.

What do you think he has for breakfast? Toast? If so, how toasted does he like it? These are all questions that must be answered.

After Shredder starts using robotic ninjas, the real ninjas will be sent to the accounting department to "ninja" his assets.

He had shredded wheat, duh.

But what does he actually do in his time off? He doesn't just sit in his evil throne room with his armor on 24/7, does he?

It worked in the original cartoon because Shredder was hilarious and lived in the Technodrome. He had nothing better to do in that show but scold Bebop/Rocksteady and work with Krang to come up with new schemes to repower the Technodrome.

However this Shredder is very serious, so its much different.

If I looked that badass I totally would
maybe he is like Darth Vader and just sits in his little meditation chamber becoming one with the "Force"

I do agree about the Bradford thing though. You can't act like he's some sort of celebrity... and then act like noone's gonna care that he's suddenly missing. A random news report of people saying 'the media is still confused as to what happened to Chris Bradford' before Leo changes it to Space Heroes would have been enough.

You don't a whole episode. Just a scene or two of Shredder meeting with some shady "clients".

maybe he's not a businessman in this series...

Maybe the Kraangs work for the Krang?

Ever since the show began I've been praying for this to be true.

God I hope we see Krang show up either at the end of Season 1 or the beginning of Season 2.

all yall people who want the ot stuff SOOO BAAAAD...why not just watch the ot?

Since when was it an, "OT stuff?"

Characters are not exclusive to one series. They're TMNT characters, plain and simple.

I just assumed Shredder and the Foot Clan were a super secretive terrorist like organization.

Some of this I feel is inevitable, but I'll list them anyways...

-More of Splinter and Shredder's past. Especially some info on their army days.

-Explanation of whatever the Kraang have been trying to do all these years.

-Some sort of Kraang hierarchy, or at least introduce a leader Kraang. Give him a special robo-suit and some scars.

-Bradford reflecting on his past life, missing the freedoms of being human.

That and I'm sure he doesn't go out as Oroku Saki as much because of his HIDEOUS FACIAL SCARS!!! The mask is a bit more functional in the Nick TMNT universe. Shredder makes his money as a ninja clan leader...plain and simple.

Trains? Spends time with his daughter? Plays with Hachiko? Listens to Boyz 2 Men on cassette?

Ever since the show began? Try early 2011 pal...

I've been speculating a little on the Kraang and can't exactly come up with a solid theory for the mutagen but it's worth noting:

-They have been working on the mutagen for at least 15 years (when the turtles mutated, assuming they aged in real time), and have been present since at least Splinter was human.

-In one episode they wanted to taint the water supply with the mutagen, so it can be considered an end product, not a by product (or possibly a by product of another experiment that they have found a use for). This is a fast and efficient delivery method.

-If the intention was to get the diluted mutagen to be consumed, then there is an interest on behalf of the Kraang in the end results - which we know are mutated beings.

- And at this point I'm not sure why the Kraang wanted a bunch of mutated humans. Maybe to build an army? Subdue to them to become slaves? Or even use their bodies as hosts?

They should actually show his off-time. And I do find it odd that Shredder's, "daughter" hasn't been mentioned whatsoever since the show began. I thought it was going to be a big deal with the way Shredder's bio says he loves her, but she hasn't been seen or mentioned. Same for Splinter's daughter...who is probably the same character to be honest.

I just can't see why Nick would not want to use Krang himself...I just hope they're saving him for later on.

yes, in a show called Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles we wanna see how Shredder spends his free time. That'll be exciting!

Again, we have the Kraang and not "the" Krang because this is a different world and not a freakin' rehash of what came before it. Again, let the Nick show use the Kraang how they want, not how YOU want.

The Shredder rents japanese tv shows from HQ video in midtown.

Bradford went to an all boys high school where they all had to wear blazers.

Baxter Stockman didn't buy a pink sweater, it's just a red one faded from being washed too often and maybe from originally being dyed on the cheap.

Xever is most dangerous and unpredictable when he's at a disadvantage.

Well Karai's appearing 4 episodes after the Leatherhead one, if not sooner.

Just because you can't see why doesn't mean there's not a good reason why.

Krang is the second most recognizable TMNT villain after the Shredder. Everyone knows who Krang is which gives Nick incentive to use him.

With no Peter Laird holding them back, there's no reason he shouldn't show up. I'm still holding out that he comes around later as the leader of the Kraang. Krang himself will of course be very intelligent and not speak the way the Kraang do.

I wish I could slap you like Mr. Crankshaw.

I second that, Nines.

As for Shredder's daughter, she will show up in an episode this season, so we'll learn more about her then. I'm willing to wait for that since we get Leatherhead this Saturday, which should be good.

I third it. Dudes' post are annoying.

He kinda has a point though, so I don't see where all the hate is coming from. What DOES Shredder do when he's not Shredder?

I mean we even get to see Bradford and Xever talk a bit when Xever was buying the fish during their off time. Yes, it was plot convenience so he can touch the fish, but it was still them discussing what they're gonna do since Shredder is pissed at them. On their down time.

Out of all the characters, the Shredder does seem to be the most cartoonish. Hopefully when Karai appears we get to see her train with her 'father' or whatever. Just anything except sitting and yelling empty threats all the time.

Indeed, he's coming off as a bit too one-dimensional at this point. It was fine for the first few episodes but he really has to develop.

Even Ch'rell had a life outside of being Shredder. What they did with him in Season 3 was phenomenal.

Exactly. We don't mean waste half the episode of Shredder doing his day-to-day like some of you people are thinking. A real quick scene of him doing anything would help.

Does he even have Hachiko anymore? Seems like he was just there for that one scene just so that Bradford would mutate into Dogpound. I'd like to see Hachiko growl and snark at Dogpound or something.

Thing is. Nobody cares besides you two.

It's a cartoon for children. It's like wondering how the Teletubbies afford their hill house in that part of town. It doesn't matter.

Being a cartoon for children doesn't mean villains have to be one-dimensional and, "I am EVIL JUST BECAUSE I'M EVIL."

See Batman: TAS, Gargoyles, etc.

The only reason it worked for the original toon was because it was a comedy and Shredder was a goofball.

True, but the OT had Shredder live in the Technodrome. He would basically spend his time either scheming or arguing with Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady.

Here Shredder is just walking around asking his men 'are the Turtles dead yet? did you find Yoshi yet?' every once in a while. Shredder got the awesomeness and the skill to be a threat. Now add something to flesh him out as a character.

I kinda don't understand why noone else 'cares'. Any villian from any other show would be considered boring, one-note, mustache twirling and one-dimensional, if all they did was sit and complain to his minions. How come Shredder gets a free pass?

He doesn't. But he's only been featured in 5 episodes... So we can just use our imaginations for the time being. Bring this back up when season one is over.

Or don't :)

I vote for "or don't".

This might become the most one-dimensional version of Shredder in the franchise then. Shame because the backstory has potential.

Gah, he's been in what 5 of the 11 episodes...simmer down. You're worse than people who think the end of the world is coming at the end of the month.