US Government Shutdown
 

Well as of today, me and my parents (soon to retire) got furloughed just because our country doesn't know how to be good at managing money. Over 800,000 are also out today. While this means more free time and have a bunch of money saved, it shows that the Obama isn't getting along with the Republicans.

IOU's to the men and women of the armed forces who put their lives on the line for our freedom? You think the Grim Reaper or terrorists takes IOU's?

Yes, I find this to be so ridiculous, especially that the military isn't getting paid what it should because the idiots running this country can't get it together. You know what I think we should do? Fire the idiots in Congress for not doing their jobs or at least suspend their pay. Maybe then they'll learn that they have to do their jobs properly in order to have a successful country. I think it sucks that so many people are getting laid off while these idiot politicians get to keep their paychecks and don't have to worry about any of this affecting them while the little people get screwed. The way I look at it is if Obamacare is good enough for all of us, then it should be good enough for the other people, too, and they shouldn't be exempt from it.

And everyone says America's so great? Not by a long shot.

So, is stuff actively on fire down there or what, guys?

Well, a lot of workers have been furloughed without pay. national parks and museums are shut down, and the military will not get their pay. But if you're talking about a real fire or something, no, that hasn't happened yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

You must be a riot at parties.

They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid.

Indeed the troops have no real worry. That'd make Congress look like monsters. Can't have that...

It's mostly "non-essential" government workers who wind up furloughed. If anyone should have their pay withheld, it should be ALL of Congress...they seem pretty "non-essential" to me at the moment.

As the old adage says: If Pro is the opposite of Con, than what is the opposite of Progress?

I'm a little miffed that McDonald's doesn't have a new sandwich to distract us from all of this.

The McRib will end all suffering!

An IOU in this case is retroactive pay. Problem is there has been no time frame given for when the retro pay will actually be payed out. The military is currently working w/o pay until a date is given for the retro payout. Gov states alot of things... Do the homework and see for yourself

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Retroactive pay is for the furloughed people....not the military.

No, the military are getting IOUs. I'm pretty sure the regular furloughed people don't get retroactive pay.

I guess at the current moment you are right. When/if the shutdown ends, the military IOU's will become retroactive pay....

A furlough is a temporary layoff. They will not be compensated but may be able to collect unemplyment... case by case dependent.

Ny times blurb:

Current Congressional dispute concerningAffordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, was tied to a*government shutdown on October 1, 2013*at 12:00*AM*EDT. During the shutdown, most "non-essential" government employees are furloughed. This has resulted in approximately 800,000 public servants being put on indefinite unpaid leave beginning October 1.


Congress cant not pay itself, thank the 27th ammendment for that one. Coincedently the reason the ammendment was drafted kind of gave a loophole that keeps the congressional paychecks rolling during a shutdown.

I don't go to parties.

Yeah, in IOUs. And to me, that's not really equal to a real paycheck. Don't people usually have to pay back IOUs?

Sure, the furloughed workers could get unemployment, but it's still ridiculous that these workers are getting laid off while the idiots who have f*cked up this country still get their paychecks and have nothing to worry about.

We get the government we vote for.

No. They're not being paid in IOUs.

Pay back IOUs? That doesn't happen. Who the hell told you that?

As long as the post office and mail delivery functions as normal, this does not affect me in any way.

The last government shutdown happened way back in 1995 in November, and it came back up in January 1996...so it was only 2 months. I suppose something similar will happen now.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely, except Cuchulainn" -Cuchulainn

Once you get in congress, and start getting paid that much, it's hard to lower your own pay when you have the power to raise it. It's also hard to have a risky opinion when you can just go along with your party and have a much better chance of reelection.

The problem with congress is that it controls itself, which is an extremely hard problem to fix since only they can fix it.

How nice for you.
I know quite a few people where the opposite of this is true, and two months without pay will ruin them.

And if that happens, and they have to file for bankruptcy, guess who gets to pay their debts for them: We do.

Hmm, so the big question here is, how can we (the citizens) make the furlough have a mandatory effect on the legislators' salaries? That would make things move quickly. :D:lol:

Well, I'll be going to work and not getting paid until all this is settled.:x:(

Oh man, sorry about that. That has to be very stressful. Hang in there and I'm hoping things get resolved sooner rather than later.

Yeah, it is. I have one more check coming that I hear is going to be five days short..

Sadly the 27th Amendment makes it impossible. Nice of them to insure their own paychecks....although, "we the people" had to ratify that amendment...and it took almost 200 years.

Nobody. That's just what I thought. And I heard about the IOUs on HLN when I was watching about this stuff, so that's where my source came from.

That sucks for you, but I'm sure the idiots don't care about that. And the Republicans should learn that you can't do something twice. They tried this before and didn't win, yet their move is to try and defund a damn law that's already in effect and signed. It's not going to happen, so they should just get over it. And I don't see what they have to be angry about since it doesn't affect them anyway. They're exempt from the damn law, so why should they complain about it?

not to mention, all the money those 800,000 people normally spend on rent, healthcare, utilities, groceries, clothing and supplies for their children, car payment, entertainment or services like landscaping, construction, cleaning services, etc. all of that money that would normally trickle down and help support the American economy as a whole is now missing :( many others not associated with the federal govt will feel the pinch as well.

when all said and done, the fed govt should waive any late fees/penalties due to late payments on morguages/bills.

Yes, that does happen. Do your research before you get snarky. The bill to pay them with actual paychecks during the shutdown happened just Monday. Otherwise they'd be getting IOUs.

Washington Post Link

Not all of them (I think), I believe it was mentioned that the active military will get paid, but those who are doing Non-Essential Intelligence are on Furlough they will not be paid. I am assuming that this is the National Guard or Reserves.
If I can find source I will post later, was watching CNN..

Active and reservists are being paid.....with actual checks and not IOU's.......and IOU means that the government owes whomever. Not whomever is owed the money would have to pay the government back.

I'm one of those who'd like to see congress lose their paychecks in a shut down. They'd learn to compromise then. Buncha babies. Can't even do their jobs. Let's fire them all.

Well this country did have the 21st Amendment to repeal the 18th, and end prohibition. ...Maybe not as impossible as we think...? ;)

Totally agree with you there, Katie. They need to all be fired, or at least suspended without pay for not doing the jobs they were hired to do.

I found it ironic the Government was shut down the day GTA Online went live lol :lol:

I didn't say activist weren't getting paid. The military was suppose to take IOU's, but Obama used an executive order to stop that and give them regular pay, but some non-essential reservest are not being paid right now. Hell they suspended reservist school funding a few months back, I dont even know if they ever re-enstated the funding for school.

Ok so yes Non-essential Reservist ARE NOT GETTING PAID! Will post link later
FTW: http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/228...1500-Civilians
http://www.koin.com/2013/10/01/1000-...es-furloughed/

Bottom line:Active Military gets paid, Non-Essential reservist are furlough aka not getting paid.

YES. That's what I was thiking when I read about the shutdown.

My mom still has to go to work, but she isn't getting paid until this ends, too.

So the Congress still is getting paid, but they can't even do their bloody jobs? And is it true what i hear? That they're shutting it down longer then last time? (based upon what i saw in CyberCubed's post when he mentioned when the last one was)

No one really knows how long it's gonna stay shuttered. If neither side can concede, then it may be a long time.

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