US Government Shutdown

*pannoni1* · 10-01-2013, 07:19 AM

Well as of today, me and my parents (soon to retire) got furloughed just because our country doesn't know how to be good at managing money. Over 800,000 are also out today. While this means more free time and have a bunch of money saved, it shows that the Obama isn't getting along with the Republicans.

Sofistocat · 10-01-2013, 07:28 AM

IOU's to the men and women of the armed forces who put their lives on the line for our freedom? You think the Grim Reaper or terrorists takes IOU's?

*BubblyShell22* · 10-01-2013, 08:54 AM

Yes, I find this to be so ridiculous, especially that the military isn't getting paid what it should because the idiots running this country can't get it together. You know what I think we should do? Fire the idiots in Congress for not doing their jobs or at least suspend their pay. Maybe then they'll learn that they have to do their jobs properly in order to have a successful country. I think it sucks that so many people are getting laid off while these idiot politicians get to keep their paychecks and don't have to worry about any of this affecting them while the little people get screwed. The way I look at it is if Obamacare is good enough for all of us, then it should be good enough for the other people, too, and they shouldn't be exempt from it.

And everyone says America's so great? Not by a long shot.

Peanut · 10-01-2013, 08:59 AM

So, is stuff actively on fire down there or what, guys?

*BubblyShell22* · 10-01-2013, 09:07 AM

Well, a lot of workers have been furloughed without pay. national parks and museums are shut down, and the military will not get their pay. But if you're talking about a real fire or something, no, that hasn't happened yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

Peanut · 10-01-2013, 09:30 AM

You must be a riot at parties.

*Brodie* · 10-01-2013, 09:48 AM

They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid.

**Jester** · 10-01-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid.

Indeed the troops have no real worry. That'd make Congress look like monsters. Can't have that...

It's mostly "non-essential" government workers who wind up furloughed. If anyone should have their pay withheld, it should be ALL of Congress...they seem pretty "non-essential" to me at the moment.

As the old adage says: If Pro is the opposite of Con, than what is the opposite of Progress?

愛 · 10-01-2013, 09:59 AM

I'm a little miffed that McDonald's doesn't have a new sandwich to distract us from all of this.

**Jester** · 10-01-2013, 09:59 AM

The McRib will end all suffering!

Sofistocat · 10-01-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid.

An IOU in this case is retroactive pay. Problem is there has been no time frame given for when the retro pay will actually be payed out. The military is currently working w/o pay until a date is given for the retro payout. Gov states alot of things... Do the homework and see for yourself

**Jester** · 10-01-2013, 10:17 AM

"Do you like my hat?"

Retroactive pay is for the furloughed people....not the military.

*Roseangelo* · 10-01-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Retroactive pay is for the furloughed people....not the military.

No, the military are getting IOUs. I'm pretty sure the regular furloughed people don't get retroactive pay.

Sofistocat · 10-01-2013, 10:28 AM

I guess at the current moment you are right. When/if the shutdown ends, the military IOU's will become retroactive pay....

A furlough is a temporary layoff. They will not be compensated but may be able to collect unemplyment... case by case dependent.

Ny times blurb:

Current Congressional dispute concerningAffordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, was tied to a*government shutdown on October 1, 2013*at 12:00*AM*EDT. During the shutdown, most "non-essential" government employees are furloughed. This has resulted in approximately 800,000 public servants being put on indefinite unpaid leave beginning October 1.

Congress cant not pay itself, thank the 27th ammendment for that one. Coincedently the reason the ammendment was drafted kind of gave a loophole that keeps the congressional paychecks rolling during a shutdown.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-01-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

You must be a riot at parties.

I don't go to parties.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodie

They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid.

Yeah, in IOUs. And to me, that's not really equal to a real paycheck. Don't people usually have to pay back IOUs?

Sure, the furloughed workers could get unemployment, but it's still ridiculous that these workers are getting laid off while the idiots who have f*cked up this country still get their paychecks and have nothing to worry about.

*plastroncafe* · 10-01-2013, 02:39 PM

We get the government we vote for.

*The Stryker* · 10-01-2013, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, in IOUs. And to me, that's not really equal to a real paycheck. Don't people usually have to pay back IOUs?

No. They're not being paid in IOUs.

Pay back IOUs? That doesn't happen. Who the hell told you that?

*CyberCubed* · 10-01-2013, 08:04 PM

As long as the post office and mail delivery functions as normal, this does not affect me in any way.

The last government shutdown happened way back in 1995 in November, and it came back up in January 1996...so it was only 2 months. I suppose something similar will happen now.

**Jester** · 10-01-2013, 08:32 PM

Fjaj · 10-01-2013, 08:45 PM

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely, except Cuchulainn" -Cuchulainn

Once you get in congress, and start getting paid that much, it's hard to lower your own pay when you have the power to raise it. It's also hard to have a risky opinion when you can just go along with your party and have a much better chance of reelection.

The problem with congress is that it controls itself, which is an extremely hard problem to fix since only they can fix it.

10-01-2013, 07:19 AM	#1
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	US Government Shutdown Well as of today, me and my parents (soon to retire) got furloughed just because our country doesn't know how to be good at managing money. Over 800,000 are also out today. While this means more free time and have a bunch of money saved, it shows that the Obama isn't getting along with the Republicans. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

10-01-2013, 07:28 AM	#2
Sofistocat Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 639	IOU's to the men and women of the armed forces who put their lives on the line for our freedom? You think the Grim Reaper or terrorists takes IOU's? __________________ Make like a tree and get outta here. My Technodrome Forums TMNT Collection My ComicArtFan Galleries Buy Mark Martin's Original Art HERE

10-01-2013, 08:54 AM	#3
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes, I find this to be so ridiculous, especially that the military isn't getting paid what it should because the idiots running this country can't get it together. You know what I think we should do? Fire the idiots in Congress for not doing their jobs or at least suspend their pay. Maybe then they'll learn that they have to do their jobs properly in order to have a successful country. I think it sucks that so many people are getting laid off while these idiot politicians get to keep their paychecks and don't have to worry about any of this affecting them while the little people get screwed. The way I look at it is if Obamacare is good enough for all of us, then it should be good enough for the other people, too, and they shouldn't be exempt from it. And everyone says America's so great? Not by a long shot. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-01-2013, 09:07 AM	#5
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Well, a lot of workers have been furloughed without pay. national parks and museums are shut down, and the military will not get their pay. But if you're talking about a real fire or something, no, that hasn't happened yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if it did. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-01-2013, 09:48 AM	#7
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	They've stated multiple times that the military is getting paid. __________________ Stupendous Monster

10-01-2013, 08:59 AM	#4
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	So, is stuff actively on fire down there or what, guys?

10-01-2013, 09:30 AM	#6
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	You must be a riot at parties.

10-01-2013, 09:59 AM	#9
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	I'm a little miffed that McDonald's doesn't have a new sandwich to distract us from all of this.

10-01-2013, 09:59 AM	#10
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	The McRib will end all suffering! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-01-2013, 10:17 AM	#12
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	"Do you like my hat?" Retroactive pay is for the furloughed people....not the military. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-01-2013, 10:28 AM	#14
Sofistocat Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 639	I guess at the current moment you are right. When/if the shutdown ends, the military IOU's will become retroactive pay.... A furlough is a temporary layoff. They will not be compensated but may be able to collect unemplyment... case by case dependent. Ny times blurb: Current Congressional dispute concerningAffordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, was tied to agovernment shutdown on October 1, 2013at 12:00AMEDT. During the shutdown, most "non-essential" government employees are furloughed. This has resulted in approximately 800,000 public servants being put on indefinite unpaid leave beginning October 1. Congress cant not pay itself, thank the 27th ammendment for that one. Coincedently the reason the ammendment was drafted kind of gave a loophole that keeps the congressional paychecks rolling during a shutdown. __________________ Make like a tree and get outta here. My Technodrome Forums TMNT Collection My ComicArtFan Galleries Buy Mark Martin's Original Art HERE Last edited by Sofistocat; 10-01-2013 at 10:38 AM.

10-01-2013, 08:04 PM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,895	As long as the post office and mail delivery functions as normal, this does not affect me in any way. The last government shutdown happened way back in 1995 in November, and it came back up in January 1996...so it was only 2 months. I suppose something similar will happen now.

10-01-2013, 08:32 PM	#19
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	__________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-01-2013, 08:45 PM	#20
Fjaj Thug Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 88	"Absolute power corrupts absolutely, except Cuchulainn" -Cuchulainn Once you get in congress, and start getting paid that much, it's hard to lower your own pay when you have the power to raise it. It's also hard to have a risky opinion when you can just go along with your party and have a much better chance of reelection. The problem with congress is that it controls itself, which is an extremely hard problem to fix since only they can fix it.