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Whats up with all these comments? "F*ck Nick, 80s show is better" "My childhood is ruined by stupid nick!" "Nick, stop raping my childhood!" Look on almost any Tmnt 2012 video on YouTube to find these comments. I know I shouldn't get mad over stupid things like this but idiotic comments like these make my blood boil.

Opinions on these?

Videos in question
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Igns training video (Can't find link.)

The new mutagen man video (couldn't find link to YouTube clip)

A rant on the new show (Not exactly the video, but the comments- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKg_4l8q604.)

And that Kraang clip Ign put up, plus a ton more.

These are what many of us call "casuals". People who aren't truly fans but rather have fond memories of the series (albeit often vague ones, as you so commonly see Raphael referred to as Ralph, people mixing up Shredder & Splinter, etc.) and mistake their nostalgia for a true passion. They think any slight deviation from the version they know best is a mortal sin. F 'em, they don't support the franchise, their opinions are of no significance short of frustration.

Meh, it's their choice. I think the reason for those strong comments is all due to expectation level. Probably a lot of these commentators were expecting something similar to the OT which is not realistic (even the guy in that YouTube link you posted admitted to it).

People just have to get used to the fact that things change and pop culture (music, TV, movies, fashion, etc) is obviously no exception to that. Being a big OT fan, I'm glad there are some notable differences Nick has because otherwise it would be like retelling the same story over again.


Though as much as some of us may want to dismiss casual fans, we (and Viacom/Nick) have to acknowledge them since they do compose of around 50-70% of sales. ...Right? :-? I mean, just look at this 2014 TMNT movie, its already incorporating a lot of OT elements based on what we have just heard (i.e. I mean they have Vernon! ...Vernon. :blanksta:).

Do we really need this thread again? You're talking about people who just see random clips online and do not even bother watching the show.

These are people who don't even rewatch the original toon, they just remember it as a passing fad from their childhood.

Some people are just haters. They don't need a reason, they just like to complain. They watch a show and nit-pick every single detail because they want to find reason to hate something.

Some of the excuses for the hate is because of nostagia, because they loved the OT series when they were kids. So naturally when they learn a new version of this series was airing on Nick they didn't want it because they knew it wasn't the show they remembered.

It's kinda like the anime Full Metal Alchemist. The manga has a very well rounded, intriguing story. Then the Anime came out and there were lodes of people who loved the anime, and others who complained that the Anime didn't follow it's original manga.

Then about five or so years later another anime of Full Metal Alchemist that followed the manga more closely came out and people were interested it in it. But when they saw it a lot of the complaints were "We've seen this stuff before." "The original anime was better"

And the same is true here. There are people who don't like Casey Jones because he is there to take April from Donnie and/or make the series into a Twilightesk/Hunger Gamesesk/Soap Opera esk romantic drama.

But in the OT series Casey Jones only appeared a couple of times so he isn't as widely remembered by OT fans. As a result people either don't want him because he's either remembered as a psychopath vigilante that talks like Dirty Harry and has an inane desire to smash stuff with sports equipment. Or they don't want the character because they aren't familiar with him as an actual character in the TMNT franchise.

Ignore the haters. Far as I'm concerned, Nick's TMNT is a solid show. Ratings and sales proves it. I love the old shows too.

This is kinda like the case of Teen Titans Go!, where the purists from Teen Titans hating on the new show.

And I'm like

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I never understood all the "MY CHILDHOOD IS RUINED!!!" BS. It's not like the new thing makes the old thing cease to exist. If the new Turtle meant my old Turtles had to be completely destroyed...then maybe I could see this guttural reaction, but if I don't like the Nick series, I can pop in a DVD and watch the FW series...or 4Kids...or heaven forbid Next Mutation.

Same with the new movie. I'm not thrilled by most of the news, but you know what...I have the Barron movie on DVD and I can watch it and cleanse the palette if Bay/Liebsman's TMNT sucks on toast.

Well, you get used to one series and than another different looking version of the turtles comes in. I was so used to the 2003 series and watched the 80's series, the animation looked odd to me at first and you get so used to seeing them in 2D animation. Course, once you give it a chance it really grows on you and as the series continues on the animation and music and plots get better and better, I'm even loving this Leo more and more and can't wait to see him slowly develop into a leader, current episode is showing us that just fine and the Leo / Karai arc is getting more and more interesting by the minute.

Ask for Titans Go, no comments :lol:

You answered your own question. YouTube is full of those kinds of comments regardless of subject. Welcome to the internet.

It's amazing, these people complain the show is "Ruining their childhood" because the character designs look weird to them, or they think the animation is garbage.

... Uh, the 87 series was filled to the brim with goofy character designs, and had it's share of bad animation on top of animation goofs.

People love to complain, whether it's for understandable reasons or some of the stupidest reasons, it's unavoidable.

But hey, they can hate it all they want... not going to stop the third season from coming out, or beyond.

I hate when people say: Omg, they ruined April, she's supposed to be a news reporter, that's the original....... SHE WORKED IN A LABORATORY IN THE ORIGINALDFDFD.
But that's just my opinion. People learn: The 1987 Toon is not the original!

Anything gets hate, but by a majority, it looks like there's more love to this series. Plus, some of these comments are old anyway.

Don't forget Mickey.

All of the people complaining never watched the damn show, they just bought a 'retro' t-shirt from a mainstream clothes retailer, instagrammed it and somewhere along the line ended up in the groupie box.

Apparently.

They tend to be the same people that are 'obsessed' with bacon, have clown 'phobias' and 'hate' Nickelback.

BECAUSE THE INTERNET TOLD THEM TO!

Yes; YouTube. Blindly-nostalgic idiots have always existed, but for much of the modern era, they were despised and discouraged. Thanks to YouTube, however, and it's ability to preserve old media off the air for decades, those idiots now have a breeding ground.

These people annoy me. If anything, this show is the closest thing to the OT since the OT. Most of these people are, like Powder said, casual fans, or they're just looking to hate on something.

As for Teen Titans Go, I actually don't like it that much :P

This thread is 2 funny. You guys talking **** about haters, but then turn around and hate on the Bay movie etc.. :lol: the movie thread is filled with hate for Bay, Megan etc.. Forget youtube etc. The biggest bunch of haters i have seen is right here on the drome!

These people are mindless idiots who probably don't want to take a chance on anything because it's not what they want. If you want to watch the OT, go watch the DVDs. Same goes for 4Kids and even Next Mutation. It does irk me that these people are out there, but the best thing we can do is ignore them and enjoy the Nick show in all its glory.

I love the people saying the animation is crap are probably people that don't even know what 360p is...

Now that's a laugh. :lol:

Yes i agree.

The difference is we have something to go on besides "they changed it; now it sucks." Change isn't necessarily for the worse, but it can be to the point that the series has nothing left of what you liked. Most of the general scenario and tropes of the series remain the same in the Nick show. Michael Bay's movie makes alterations to the origin it doesn't need, alterations to the villains and Casey that make it so they aren't themselves anymore, and doesn't do much good with them; even the Fred Wolf show had more excuses for its changes, because of censorship.

Another difference is we've had a chance to watch and analyze the Nick series. We can't do that with a movie not out yet, but what we can do is protest when we don't like what we've heard of it. That seems to have worked in that it got rid of the alien origin bit.

People are scared of things that are new and different.

I'm usually one to see this around YouTube, and it's more commonly directed at the 4Kids rendition and the Nick rendition. The comments always say how they ''disliked the dark tone'' or how the ''new show is to kiddie'', how these shows don't live up to the 1987 series name, or some other absurd complaint that really irks me to no ends.

Sometimes, a lot of the videos have a large amount of dislikes, and I should think it stems from these types of people who just can't accept the new, when if there is no new, then, would any series (such as TMNT) live on after it's ''time has passed?''

THIS...thank you heather for this comment lol also youtube is full of blinded nostalgia people and i came across some people that say their true fan's of this or that but they tend to come across as either tough guy's who want's a whooping or just idiot's who want's attention to get thumb's up in half an hour.all i say is this if people like them ever come across on a tmnt related video that's either a review or something and hate the nick show just do this ignore them or just click on some different site so the hate doesn't boiled you like a hot teapot.

Fun fact, I'm actually looking forward to the flick. I just hope they find a way to get all the turtles plots, the films lack Leo :(

Couldn't have said it better myself. People hate change and are afraid of it, but what they need to do is try and give this change a chance and see how it plays out. I admit, I had my reservations about this show at first, but I decided to give it a chance to see how it played out, and I'm definitely glad I did because it's awesome.

My advice: Don't judge a cartoon by a preview. Watch the show first to see if you like it and then state your case after that.

Yeah, i noticed that Leo is far down on the cast list for the new movie.

If there's one thing I learned here, it's to wait and see how things come. Just because he's on the bottom of the list doesn't mean he won't have a role. Besides, didn't he have a big role in movies 1 and 4? I must have been missing Powder's drawings, but how could the new look for Leonardo be resistible? I'd assume that Raph is the main focus of the film, but that doesn't mean the others will have a role. Heck, the cast member next to Donatello was next to Leonardo. Maybe they're on the bottom because not for their roles but because of their star status. Those actors are not well known.

That's precisely it. They're "...sorted by IMDb STARmeter..."

Change is difficult and when you grow up with a show it's difficult not to over analyze and over criticize the remake. I swear I spend way too much time over thinking/disappointed with The Legend of Korra. I can barely sit through 15 minutes of Teen Titans Go. Nostalgia is a big thing, yo.

Not saying they're right...but I understand. Don't understand why they're wasting their time trolling the comment section of a show they hate, though.

I grow up on the 1980's toon, and all 3 series have there strong points and weak points.

80's toon, no were near close to the comics, and after that amazing first season, turn into a comdey, until the red sky seasons came, Shredder was not the threat that he should have been imo, like Dregg was. But Shredder was still a good villian, loved Bebop and Rockstandy, April I suppose look her best there, but fell into the old Princess Peach story line of getting kidnapped lol.

2000's was a lot more darker, I did not like untom Shredder, but loved Leatherhead, Ratking, and Stockman, loved Karai she rule. I think fast forward was weak, but came back strong in the end with April and Casey getting married.

2012 show, I did not like the deage of April and in turn Casey when he shows up, but at the same time its a mix bag, she does fit in more with them as a teen. But she cant support them in the same vain as 28 year old April did.
I think this version of Shredder is the best version of the 3. He rules and is amazing. Also like Dogpound and Fishface, I am still iffy on teen April, and Mikey seems dumber here, but other than that it rules.

Best turtles from each show.

Don, I like Nick Don the best lol
Mike, 1980's Mike rules.
Leo goes to 2003
And Raph I am going to call a tie from 2003 and Nick. I cant really choose who I like better lol.

All 3 shows have there strenghts and weakness, but over all I enjoy em.

Except shows of tame or mediocre quality are almost always dismised as "new and different" these days.

Why do you have to dismiss their viewpoints as "fearing change?", they may actually have valid points if you cut through some of their bile. There's no harm in admitting some people think the Nick show is rubbish based off it's actual quality. I don't like it and it has nothing to do with it being different and new, as I gave it a chance and I understand it's direction, it's just to me it's a terrible populist show with poor comedy, poorly realized characters, and cliched ideas I've seen in movies and shows 69949494 times. Be more original please.

I am glad for it's success, as I love the franchise overall and I absolutely want it to thrive as well as the 2014 movie, but I find no enjoyment out of it except for maybe the fanfics that my friends write about it

Ratings and sales prove nothing actually. Bayformers and the Star Wars prequels are massive hits but are considered critical clunkers. Ultimate Spider-Man is regarded as the worst Spidey cartoon in recent memory, but it's ratings gold

Everything is subjective to personal taste and viewpoints

Also people need to stop trying to make themselves seem like better fans than the so-called "casuals", a fan is a fan regarldess of their preferences.

Populist? A show can be populist?

I hear that as a criticism all the time about the 2005 revival of Doctor Who by the fans of the older 1963-1989 series

Did they mention what the heck they mean? Because I've only ever heard that term used in the political sense. I mean I could see FANS being populist, but a show itself...

ZariusTwo you mistake what I'm trying to say. Someone that watches a show and dislikes it is fine. Someone that refuses to watch it because they think their childhood is being ruined is someone that's scared of change.

I agree with ZariusTwo's opinion here... to a point though. It's not necessarily being scared of anything "new or different", while some nostalgia fans just gripe for the sake of doing so, others do have some legitimate points (i.e. more mutants in these first 30 some episodes than 4Kids or the OT did, Mikey's borderline obnoxious loud/random humor, the Turtles lack of maturity after being in many life-threatening situations, etc) and are just more vehement and far harsher (unfairly though) in their disapproval than we are here. With all of us being more "devoted" Turtle fans, we are more willing to let things slide or develop more patience for the series/show as it develops, but the general public isn't as merciful; especially when it comes to pop cultural tastes.

The only way we could probably make the most accurate assessment of the Nick series is when it finishes, and we look back in hindsight when the Nick's storytelling is completely over when there's nothing left to contribute to the series.

...But I do wonder how some viewers and critics calibrate their ratings/assessments when I see something as "Oh man! Best episode EVA!"/"It was SOOO good!" or something close to it in nearly every episode thread. Or with IGN's bizarre ratings in making The Mutation Situation and Follow The Leader have nearly the same quality (only a 0.1 rating difference) when the quality of their character developments were completely different to one another.

This I agree with. Right now everyone is riding the wave of success the show has and I don't think anyone on the positive end is actually assessing it properly. I sometimes can't beleive these are the same fans who watched and praised the first few years of the 4Kids show (lost season included), which was such an infinitly superior product at the best and worst of times. I think episodes of Fast Forward alone are miles ahead of anything in the Nick show and I don't like FF much either.

The fact that some fans just think every episode is the best ever just bugs me. No show in the history of ever can boast that every week and it is simply not true. Every episode has a pro and a con, even the strongest of offerings, and it's our job as fans of the product to hold true to that and judge the episode rationally, not say it's fantastic just in case we somehow cause the franchise to become unprofitable if we don't. At this stage, TMNT will make money regardless of our critical assesment, some fans and big sites like IGN who are soley interested in maintaning brand consistency seemed to have caught on to this mentality sadly

I hear what you're saying, Zar. I'm not saying that episodes don't have flaws, but most of them are enjoyable to me. I think the weakest one for me in season one is "Metalhead" mainly because it seemed like Don didn't even learn his lesson about his bo being useful. For season two so far it's "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids" mainly for the puking scenes. I just do't like seeing people get sick like that. But other than those two, I have to admit that other episodes were fine to me and I couldn't really find fault with them. That may change down the road though.

As a reviewer I have noted my share of episodes that I think are somewhat okay. Thus far the worse episodes I've reviewed have been given a kind view of "Wouldn't kick it out of bed, but wouldn't recommend it to a newcomer"

I.E. I'm enough of a fan to know situations like this episode occur, but it's more likely to turn off someone who isn't quite as familiar with the franchise.

All the episodes have their flaws or areas where they need improving, and looking back at these episodes five years from now I am probably going to point out more flaws then I had noticed at this time. It's one of the natures of fandom.


Take My Little Pony for example. I grew up with the original TV series back in the 80's. However when I recently re-watched the old 1980's cartoon I couldn't get past the bad animation/ hollow plot points/ and so on. And while I admit that the current MLP series is better in comparison, the same people who love it now will look at it years from now and say "Why did I even like this show?"