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Why are the new movie designs good in peoples' eyes when Next Mutation's weren't?
I'm just curious since we've seen a lot of comparisons of the new movie designs to the Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation series.
I can see the similarities in the new turtles, but I recall Next Mutation didn't go beyond one season. Did people hate the NM designs? If so, was it because of Power Rangers, even though that show was on the decline as well? Was Venus basically the big issue given how much she was pushed on the show? |
To be fair, whilst the costumes for TNM weren't the best, for a 90s kids TV show budget they were pretty good.
Venus is very divisive. She's certainly not needed, but she alone didn't sink TNM, that was down to one thing - it was a bad show. |
Personally, I don't even really dislike TNM designs themselves, it was the costumes that did it in for me. They just looked way too cheap. The new movie doesn't have that issue with all the money being poured into its digital effects.
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I peronally liked the next mutation designs
I never had a problem with them, and people accept this new movie as a new turtleverse but they don't really do that with the next mutation. I don't get it. I'd take TNM designs over these any day of the week. Plus you gotta think if the original movies and TNM had this kind of budget their designs would be above and beyond.
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In Space was one of the best seasons of Power Rangers to me and brought the Power Rangers out of decline despite it was suppose to be the last season. |
Then, people were just coming off of the OT and Mirage vol. 2/Image vol. 3 comics. So lots of cool stuff. They could afford to be critical.
Now it's a matter of a bunch of entitled 20 somethings that want something 'for them' even though they're completely passing over the Nick series, assuming it's for kids. They like change for the sake of change, and pretentious 'badass' concepts, because it makes them feel like the property is growing up with them. Their nostalgia for the property in clouding their judgement. They're just happy to see turtles. Granted there are many who genuinely like the designs, my guess is that the masses fall under the above description. I for the record like TNM's designs and I did like the scale models of this new film, just not the poster versions. |
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Cause the Next Mutation's design sucks?
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I remember liking the Next Mutation when it was on TV, and I haven't seen it in about 15 years, but the turtle designs now strike me as too 'designy'. I'm not a fan of their armour like plastrons in particular. Aside from that they're OK.
The Next Mutation designs are only superficially similar to the 2014 movie designs. They both have bandaged forelimbs, larger masks, and loads of unnecessary straps and things, but the overall feel is different. |
Yeah, I liked the Next Mutation's designs for the most part. Those designs were different enough, but still very TMNT. As other have said, they are a little cheap, but it is a TV show.
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As for The Next Mutation, I watched it as a kid, but don't remember it so much now. I tried watching the first episode once, but I couldn't get through it |
They both suck honestly. Next mutation was a product of a bad tv show handled by the wrong company.
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As a kid, the designs for TNM was the only thing I did like about that show... I remember feeling bad for not liking the show, so I kept watching anyway.
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The NM deigns are miles above the new movie designs, but I still don't like them all that much. Their plastron is a bit to human muscle looking for my taste, especially when the second upper scutes resembles the way the rib cage shows on a human.
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The Next Mutation designs were actually pretty good for a cheaply made kids show. Even the bandana changes were actually done well.
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I agree that the next mutation suits looked much cheaper than the previous live action stuff, but those designs are much closer to what the turtles should look like than the 2014 movie designs. I would accept a more realistic design based on TNM over these horrid new costumes any day.
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I don't think that change should happen for the sake of change either. Cause with the turtles, they have an iconic look that you can change but should do sparingly. I'll agree that the poster versions of the new designs were completely over the top and devoid of subtlety. The scale models on the other hand, looked great since they looked like the actual turtles that I grew up with, with MINIMAL change. But its looking more and more like the poster designs are what we'll be seeing. One of two things will happen from this, 1) people (who like it AND dislike it now) will end up loving it and the movie and its sequels will do well. OR 2) the designs will completely ruin the movies and the movies will bomb from the lack of interest from die hard fans and new fans alike. And if the second happens (at this point, it seems the most likely), then the series has the chance to be picked up in the future and given the respect and competence that it deserves, at least I hope this is what happens. On a side note, I wish they would have just went with the same type of turtles and turtle suits that they used for the original turtle movies. I'm pretty sure everyone, or damn near everyone, would be happy at that point. |
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simple it was the 90 EXTREEEEEMEEEE version of the turtles, they tried to make them be cool, they failed miserably i think they are doing the same here...
plus those suits where horrible crime against god... and nature... |
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Pointing out their personalities via costumes reeks of laziness and to be honest strips them of any sort of nuance. There really is more to Michelangelo than "the party dude." He's also a sensitive ar-tist. It's not hardcore or dark, it seems even more childish, because it takes the individual color codes and kicks them up to 11. But I guess it's the logical progression: Mirage - Identical, all red bandanas FW - Color coding in bandanas. Movies - Distinct faces. NM - Individualized bandana styles 4Kids - Unique color coded skin Nick - Different builds PD - ALL THE CHANGES!!!! |
I love how you added the "fighting tape" like THAT is why we're all against these designs.
All of the prior "costume changes" really did little to integrate the "character" into it, just made the individual Turtles just that much more visually distinct. You might be able to make an argument that the Nick character design do in a way attempt to, but it's nowhere near as extreme as giving them all scavenged clothes that seem to point to specific traits, like Leo, the Honorable Warrior, Raph the Brute, Donnie the Techie, and Mikey the Surfer Dude. |
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I am hardly against variations, I'm one of the guys who supports the idea of getting feral monstrous turtles, who are the farthest thing from the smooth bulbous caricatures we've come to know. Just because we saw countless fan interpretations doesn't mean they had widespread support by fans. & Just because fans enjoy a particular work of art, or concept, does not mean they would like to see it on the big screen, or that it would translate well. There are some fan pieces out there, that use apparel, among other things, to make the characters unique, that I imagine many of us would prefer to these. It's not what you do, but how you do it. The execution of these designs is what's flawed, not the idea of them (even if it is undesirable to some of us). I find it insulting, that those of us who speak on this issue logically, are somehow mere fanboys, dorks, whose well-written disdain over the matter is being compared to bleeding female genitalia. |
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Its like all the pissed of people decided to come to this site and vent its funny. I was thinking the opposite would have happen but nope most the people who like the movie and were new have been mostly scared away by all the over bearing negativity Quote:
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Michael Bay DOES put the military in most of his films and Shredder IS a weeaboo. These are not opinions, they are facts. Get that into your skull. |
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And we do not know Shredder IS a Weeaboo, People just keep assuming it because he is white. we don't know his back story this could be explained and this is exactly what i was talking about I'm not about to keep explaining it when you Obviously cant "get" it "into your skull" Fichtner as shredder could be any number of thing Adopted by Japanese family, Love child Of and American and Japanese person, Reincarnated, or even Japanese Ala Cloud atlas. We don't know your just assuming his character is Automatically American Or just Caucasian and a Japanophile. this is an assumption not fact |
Do we really know he is a weeaboo? I mean, the armor doesn't strike me as very Japanese and the only really Japanese thing in the movie we know of is the possibility of the Seppuku. Seems like just a paramilitary Shredder/Foot.
Then again not sure which is worse... And if he's Japanese like the characters in Cloud Atlas it'd make little sense, since the reason for the race bending in that was to keep the same actors in multiple related roles. |
You know...all the "logic" in the world doesn't help win your case when you end each post with a "What's with the stick up your butt!?" Just saying...it's not the best way to help win people over.
I don't dislike Bay, I just haven't heard or seen anything to make me excited about a new Turtle movie. Just the name TMNT on it isn't enough...quality is key. I don't need the character designs to accentuate the characters...I need the writing and the acting to do that. I need the movie as a whole to do that. Using the designs to do it seems like a pointless short cut. |
Chucker you more or less ignored everything I had to say and responded with "But these designs don't change their personality!". I was never making that point to begin with. We've made it quite clear why we dislike them. It has NOTHING to do with nostalgia, in saying that, you're making assumptions simply to discredit our valid opinions. & you cap off your posts with insults. It's clear you're the biased one. & I don't have a thing against Michael Bay.
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If you wanna talk turtles hit me up on facebook Its nice to have a like minded individual on hear there were more but they got scared off Sad thing two true fans should embrace new fans not shun them. Also you actually a "Chucker" PM me (so that we don't get torn apart for personal discussion) |
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Cant they look this way and have good dialog? |
No, my assumption is not based on the writing being bad. I'm not assuming that the dialogue or action won't tell me about the characters, but why do the designs have to too?
If the writing is good, then great. That's what I want from a Turtle movie. What I DON'T want is character designs that spell out everything where the movie itself should do it. The fact that the designs seem to be visual short hand for their personalities seem to tell me that PD assumes the story won't do that, though. |
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If someone were to decide to take Batman and say made the cape real, functional, bat wings, and gave him a fat wallet and chain because after all Bruce Wayne is a millionare. Oh, and lets throw in a magnifying glass, pipe and one of those Sherlock Holmes hats, because he's a detective. OH OH...and give him samurai armor complete with a new more ninja inspired mask because he's also a trained ninja. THEN it'd be on equal footing. What you did was strip away all of Batman's character design, not add character defining elements on top of it. |
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& all without insults, too. |
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If I took all the Movie Turtles and put them in a room with 2k3 Mikey he be ripping on them all day. On a design note despite Raph wanting to bulk up to have more strength than his brothers, despite Donnie using science to solve many of his problems, despite Mikey wanting to fit in with society. They are still Ninja's and speed and stealth will still be at the forefront of their minds. Leo would have this stuff hanging in his room and fanboying over it but to actually wear it? To put that Donnie was a techie in 2k3 many episodes he carries a duffle bag. To show Mikey was more pop culture he says and takes on many trends and qualities modern teenagers have. You could find him glued to an IPad and one of the others make a joke about how attached he is to it. Leo is often portrayed as being the most mature but when lumped with his brothers they bring out his inner immaturity, the comedic possibilities there are endless Raph is a loner a tough guy having a bit of a build is fine, I'm sure the guy lifts in his free time (wouldn't be surprise if they all did) he probably pick up bad habits young adults would have such as drinking and smoking. You could've just had his headband tattered and torn compared to the rest of the Turtles heck all his gear really. and that would've gotten across to alot of people that he likes to fight or a bit of a trouble maker. The clothes uh... The glasses? One Donnie (in any version) hates playing to the nerd stereotype Two I doubt a guy who is practically nocturnal would wear sunglasses even to "look cool". As much as a attention ***** 2k3 Mikey was, I can't imagine him wearing clothes other than to be funny and would shed them in a fight saying their in the way. |
I'd agree with all of that, but you are a noob casual and must be destroyed...
Just kidding. :D |
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