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Radical Raph 04-10-2014 09:51 AM

Have any of the PD movies actually been good?
 
I just realized, while I've admired some of the production values, there hasn't been a PD movie I've really liked. Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Amityville Horror
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
The Hitcher
The Unborn
Friday the 13th
Horsemen
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Purge

TTCM was decent and I almost liked F13 up until the ending. But so far they don't have a very solid track record from what I've seen. The highest rated one from Rotten Tomatoes was The Purge at 38%.

turtlefanforever 04-10-2014 10:14 AM

Is
 
Is Bad Boys PD? I know it's micheal bay or some affiliation with him and PD, that was good. And I liked Friday the 13th.

Anton Chigurh 04-10-2014 10:33 AM

I actually enjoyed NOES, Jackie was a good kruger( odviously no England) but still good. I also enjoyed them trying to make the story have a mythical complete back story.

Everything else meh

The purge sucked, but I do see the sequel being decent. I believe it will become quite a cult franchise. I.e evil deads, phatasims, saws.

Walkabout 04-10-2014 10:39 AM

I quite enjoyed their Friday The 13th, but the other remakes they have done have been pretty exploitative and missed the point of what made the originals so well loved...dumbed down, I guess.

TigerClaw 04-10-2014 10:45 AM

When Platinum Dunes was created, it was to make movies with a smaller budget, However with TMNT, That's a pretty big jump in terms of big budget productions, They wanted to branch out of the whole Horror movie genre and concentrate on others.

chrisdude 04-10-2014 10:51 AM

Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.

TigerClaw 04-10-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude (Post 1246558)
Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.

the majority of those were remakes, So I see why they want to branch out.

Radical Raph 04-10-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkabout (Post 1246552)
I quite enjoyed their Friday The 13th, but the other remakes they have done have been pretty exploitative and missed the point of what made the originals so well loved...dumbed down, I guess.

Friday the 13th had a wood chipper at the end of the movie and they DIDN'T use it. That is a crime against gory slasher flicks. I just remember the whole ending of the movie being kind of a let down. But there were some cool gags.

Warhorse 04-10-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Radical Raph (Post 1246520)
I just realized, while I've admired some of the production values, there hasn't been a PD movie I've really liked. Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Amityville Horror
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
The Hitcher
The Unborn
Friday the 13th
Horsemen
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Purge

TTCM was decent and I almost liked F13 up until the ending. But so far they don't have a very solid track record from what I've seen. The highest rated one from Rotten Tomatoes was The Purge at 38%.

I do like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Amityville Horror (Chloe Grace Mortiz aka Hitgirl was in that one, and the only time I actually liked Ryan Reynolds, everything else he's in, I can't stand him.) The rest, I had no desire to see, simply because I am not a fan of the originals to begin with.

graphic_content 04-10-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude (Post 1246558)
Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.

im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.

Bry 04-10-2014 12:17 PM

In short? No.

TigerClaw 04-10-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by graphic_content (Post 1246596)
im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of horror movies in which the Gore takes center stage.

Warhorse 04-10-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1246601)
Yeah, I'm not a fan of horror movies in which the Gore takes center stage.

Same here. I like the suspense more, not the gore. I can handle it, but I'm not a fan of the torture type movies.

Evil_Ash 04-10-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse (Post 1246604)
Same here. I like the suspense more, not the gore. I can handle it, but I'm not a fan of the torture type movies.

probably the last good horror movie was Drag me to hell, i am not fan of horror, especially modern horror. Because they all take themselves waaaaay to serious.

Radical Raph 04-10-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by graphic_content (Post 1246596)
im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.

Films like Insidious, The Conjuring, and Paranormal Activity, which focus more on tension and atmosphere instead of gore, will hopefully put horror back on the right path.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Ash (Post 1246605)
probably the last good horror movie was Drag me to hell, i am not fan of horror, especially modern horror. Because they all take themselves waaaaay to serious.

I appreciated Drag Me to Hell as a fan of Raimi, but I do feel like it got a little too silly for it's own good.

The Woman in Black is another good, suspenseful horror movie with very little gore.

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Originally Posted by Bry (Post 1246600)
In short? No.

Not only that, but I'd be a little more confident if we were at least working with an established director here. Instead we got the guy who did Battle: LA and Wrath of the Titans. Two very mediocre, sometimes terrible, movies.

I will say that I absolutely love everything they've shown in the trailer so far for TMNT and the look of the film. But my point is, I love the look of all of the PD movies. It's just too bad they don't have the substance to back it up. At the very least, they have been fairly dedicated when it comes to paying homage and staying true to the roots of the characters in their remakes. So that gives me some hope. And with such a rich history to play around in with TMNT, they can't possibly screw this up too bad... right?

Bry 04-10-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Radical Raph (Post 1246616)
Not only that, but I'd be a little more confident if we were at least working with an established director here. Instead we got the guy who did Battle: LA and Wrath of the Titans. Two very mediocre, sometimes terrible, movies.

I will say that I absolutely love everything they've shown in the trailer so far for TMNT and the look of the film. But my point is, I love the look of all of the PD movies. It's just too bad they don't have the substance to back it up. At the very least, they have been fairly dedicated when it comes to paying homage and staying true to the roots of the characters in their remakes. So that gives me some hope. And with such a rich history to play around in with TMNT, they can't possibly screw this up too bad... right?

I can't argue that Bay (and those in the PD wheelhouse) don't have a certain style. It's not one I personally enjoy, but that's pretty subjective. However, what they've proven they don't have is much of is substance, and that's something I expect from pretty much any movie.

It's amazing how much style and substance we've been getting from superhero movies and kids' movies these days. The bar is set pretty high. But even some evidence of genuine effort to make this more than a heavy-filter/contrast-style explosion-fest would give me more hope about this movie.

I am a bit cynical about this. I admit that. But there are plenty of genuine reasons for concern. Guess time will tell.

MajorViolence 04-10-2014 01:06 PM

I enjoyed Friday the 13th, but that's mostly because I love awful horror movies that borderline being horror comedy. Jason X is my favorite from the original series, if that gives you some indication of what aspects I'm enjoying. So, it was no surprise to me that people hated that film, since it played up a lot of the goofy aspects I love, instead of using the opportunity to reboot as a way of getting the film back on track to the seriously creepy horror of the original few films.

TigerClaw 04-10-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246651)
Bay has made, and produced quite a few entertaining films. People like to bully him, but honestly he's not bad. Yes, he likes hot chicks, and explosions. I didn't know having testosterone in one's body is bad thing. I like those things. He makes dumb, fun, popcorn movies. Why do people hold him to such higher standards? He doesn't act like he's Kubrick or something.

Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

JoshDA7X 04-10-2014 02:23 PM

I liked them all, they had flaws but overall I enjoyed them. Maybe I'm just easily pleased!

Andrew NDB 04-10-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Radical Raph (Post 1246520)
Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre

I dug it.

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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
I also dug it. Maybe moreso than the first.

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Friday the 13th
Really dug it. It's a clever "reboot" that also manages to function just fine as a sequel to "Freddy vs. Jason."

Haven't seen any of the others.

Bry 04-10-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1246655)
Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

Being successful doesn't mean he's above criticism, and having valid (though admittedly subjective) issues with his work and his "style" doesn't make someone a bully.

More power to the people who like his work! But the wide consensus among critics and film experts is that he's made/produced very few quality films.

People can be entertained by something that's not "quality", and there's nothing wrong with that. But there's also nothing wrong with expecting more and criticizing movies and creators when they fall short.

Walkabout 04-10-2014 02:27 PM

It's safe to say that Michael Bay/ PD films aren't critically acclaimed...in fact universally panned (by critics) is probably a very accurate description.

If everybody was mocking his sexuality or something that would be bullying...

edit: ninjad by Bry

TurtleTitan97 04-10-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1246655)
Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

Or maybe it's because his films just aren't that good.

TrickOrTreater 04-10-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97 (Post 1246676)
Or maybe it's because his films just aren't that good.

"If people don't like what I like then they're a bully."

That's the overall message I'm getting from a handful of people on this site.

Candy Kappa 04-10-2014 03:09 PM

Short answer?

No.

Although I did like the visuals of 13. And Elm Street. And I liked Amityville for the most part.

TurtleTitan97 04-10-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246702)
Take a crap franchise like Transformers. There really isn't much meat to that mythology to begin with ...

That is completely untrue. The Transformers franchise has plenty of mythology in it. There's more to the franchise than just giant robots fighting each other.

Walkabout 04-10-2014 03:23 PM

As someone who grew up on both G1 Transformers and GI JOE, I strongly disagree with your statement there Çhucker.

Shark_Blade 04-10-2014 03:39 PM

I like most of them so I have nothing to worry about. :tcool:

They're gonna do great.

Candy Kappa 04-10-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246717)
TF fans got pissed why ... because they put flames on Prime's body?.

Yup, the only reason why some dislikes the movies, not because the robot designs are bad, or that the main (human) characters are unlikable douches, or the racists/offensive stereotypes, terrible acting, low blows, truck sized plot holes, extreme inconsistency, terrible framing and choreography, and bad editing, crappy remake of the Stan Bush song. etc etc.

Nope, they made fire paintwork on Prime's body, that's the only thing wrong with the movies.



And that Bumblebee isn't a beetle, HERESY! I tell ya, heresy!

pdizzle 04-10-2014 04:54 PM

Imho the amityville horror remake was great. And ill probobly get alot of hate for this one but I ****ing hated the f13 movies....they were so damn boring and cliche, at least to me, but the pd version was actually good to me. Unfortunately the biggest letdown of the century was nightmare on elm st. I loved thos movies growing up and was super stoked for the remake and when I wentto see it I couldnt wait for itto be over.....ugh....

pdizzle 04-10-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246779)
pdizzle, that Leo super back flip is sick AF

I know right..thanks......feel free to use it....:D

fridaynightdestination 04-10-2014 05:45 PM

I liked the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...al_with_it.png

Bry 04-10-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246801)
I just love the abilities their increased size due to mutation will do for the "ninja action" in this film. It heightens everything they do.

For the age where audiences would be less impressed with more grounded turtles due to the abundance of super heroic action scenes ... it makes sense the turtles be bigger, to have more physical capabilities.

The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

slingtheory 04-10-2014 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FellowChucker (Post 1246651)
Bay has made, and produced quite a few entertaining films. People like to bully him, but honestly he's not bad. Yes, he likes hot chicks, and explosions. I didn't know having testosterone in one's body is bad thing. I like those things. He makes dumb, fun, popcorn movies. Why do people hold him to such higher standards? He doesn't act like he's Kubrick or something.

Ok 2 things
1. Since when is not liking someones style of film bullying them. It not like negative comments are going to chase him out of hollywood.
2. You just hit the nail on the head when it comes to why people hate to see his name attached to things. Maybe they want a movie with more substance then just boobs and explosions. Maybe they want to see characters they love to come to life and be, you know three dimensional

MajorViolence 04-10-2014 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry (Post 1246833)
The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

Agreed. Heck, the most intense battle of the first movie was just Shredder and the turtles. It was the most intimate fight of the film, yet it packed the most punch.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt 04-10-2014 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry (Post 1246833)
The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

Agreed.

And also, how is 'running straight into a Humvee and making the entire thing topple over like a Transformer would do' considered 'Ninja Action'?

TigerClaw 04-10-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt (Post 1246877)
Agreed.

And also, how is 'running straight into a Humvee and making the entire thing topple over like a Transformer would do' considered 'Ninja Action'?

Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

TrickOrTreater 04-10-2014 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1246879)
Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

And unless he's also from Krypton, he couldn't have done what he did to a 5900 lb military humvee.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt 04-10-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1246879)
Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

Well, if it was smashing a door down? Fine. Through a wall? Maybe if the wall was somewhat weakened.

But making an entire Humvee smashed/flipped over is a bit 'too much'.

Technogeek29 04-10-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater (Post 1246880)
And unless he's also from Krypton, he couldn't have done what he did to a 5900 lb military humvee.

Not unless he was going down that slope at transonic speeds I higly doubt that.:roll:


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