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Godzilla
So in anticipation for the movie let's remmeber the classics, wich one's your favorite?
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The original Japanese edit of the first film. Dated special effects aside, it's a genuine masterpiece.
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Yeah, aside from this one, definitely the original. I thought "Vs. Destoroyah", "Vs. MechaGodzilla II" and "Vs. MegaGuirus" were all pretty good, also, but I haven't seen a whole lot of the films in the series yet.
The original was the most "pure", before it became a "genre" or any kind of self-parody type of thing, so it's really hard to top it, in my opinion. Nothing "campy" about it. It's just dark and bleak and "real" in a way none of the others I've seen were. I feel you can get a little "cute" with it, but I think the entire thing works best when played relatively straight. This giant monster stuff is like, an Apocalyptic scenario, so I kind of don't like when they get too cheesy. |
My personal favorite movie? "Against Mecha Godzilla" so far, but I am having a hard time comparing it to the heisei movies
favorite era: Heisei |
I haven't seen alot but as far as the over the top stuff it turned into, I really liked Godzilla vs Space Godzilla. Haven't seen Gojira, just King of the Monsters. It was ok.
I can actually list what Ive seen KoftM Terror of MechaGodzilla vs Mothra (old one) Ghidorah the 3-Headed Monster Godzilla's Revenge (terrible, and very misleading, compilation edit I guess) vs MechaGodzilla 2 vs King Ghidorah vs SpaceGodzilla vs Destroyah '98 American 2000 Giant Monsters All Out Attack vs Megaguirus Just DVRed Godzilla Raids Again but haven't seen it yet. Is this supposed to be a sequel to the original? I really wanna see Final Wars. Ive heard its the most outrageous. |
Yeah "Godzilla Raids Again" was the very first sequel and came out a year after the original.
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I really like Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, Godzilla costume in that one's perfect plus you've got Baby Godzilla finaly grown up, Godzilla vs Space Godzilla is allso really good and every time MechaGodzilla shows up it's epic especialy in the one where he had chest freeze canon...
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Complete Godzilla Guide
In case newer fans aren't familiar with Godzilla, I will list all his movies in order (with alternate titles in parentheses). Im doing all this from memory so apologies for any errors. :P
SHOWA SERIES 1. Godzilla (Godzilla: King Of The Monsters) 2. Godzilla Raids Again (Gigantis: The Fire Monster) 3. King Kong vs. Godzilla 4. Mothra vs. Godzilla (Godzilla vs. The Thing) 5. Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster 6. Godzilla vs. Monster Zero (Invasion Of Astro Monster) 7. Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster (Ebirah: Horror Of The Deep) 8. Son Of Godzilla 9. Destroy All Monsters 10. Godzilla's Revenge (All Monsters Attack) 11. Godzilla vs. Hedorah (Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster) 12. Godzilla vs. Gigan (Godzilla On Monster Island) 13. Godzilla vs. Megalon 14. Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (Godzilla vs. The Cosmic Monster) 15. Terror Of Mechagodzilla HEISEI SERIES 16. Return Of Godzilla (Godzilla 1985) 17. Godzilla vs. Biollante 18. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah 19. Godzilla vs. Mothra (Godzilla And Mothra: The Battle For Earth) 20. Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II 21. Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla 22. Godzilla vs. Destoroyah Tristar's 1998 Godzilla-ish movie came here. MILLENNIUM SERIES 23. Godzilla 2000 24. Godzilla vs. Megaguirus 25. Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack 26. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla 27. Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. (Godzilla X Mothra X Mechagodzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.) 28. Godzilla: Final Wars Legendary's 2014 Godzilla movie goes here. Hope this list helps. :) |
Godzilla '98 is an awful, awful Godzilla movie but it's ok Zilla movie...
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I like how they worked Zilla into the "real" Godzilla movies, referencing it as just some mutant lizard the Americans ignorantly mistook for Godzilla. And then the Real Godzilla murdered his ass quicker than Butterbean knocked out Bart Gunn. That was amazing. That alone kind of redeems the existence of the 1998 version. Sort of. :P
Odd confession. I love King Ghidorah, the character, but have never seen a full movie with him in it, just pieces. There's just something about a three-headed dragon that spits lightning, though, that I love. FlawedCoil: My only question is, why do a list from memory when a wikipedia search takes 10 seconds? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzill...e)#Filmography Just curious. :P Nice job, though. I've only seen, like, five of 'em. Bah. |
Good point! I guess Im overly tired and wasnt thinking straight. :P
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So its the Showa era where everything (except the beginning) is kinda ligthearted and cartoony? Godziilla looks like a muppet and acts like a mascot. I don't like that at all sorry to any hardcore fans its just ridiculous.
I really don't know what era it which or if some bleed into others. Just going by that list and what Ive seen. Just rememberd I actually did see the newer vs Mothra too, the one with Battra. |
Yea, after "Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster", thats when Godzilla became a protector and more "kid-friendly". My favorite films (by far) are the Heisei films. Godzilla looked amazing (I don't care what anyone says....'89 - '95 is the "definitive" look for Godzilla and all other incarnations....including the 2014 one, are inferior). Plus the enemy monsters seemed to be better designed and give Godzilla a harder time. Plus, I found them to be scarier looking.
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I liked how he looked kind of evil and demonic in the Millennium ones. At least to me he did.
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The only one I thought he looked "evil" in was GMK Giant Monsters All Out Attack. But I didn't like that movie outside of the effects being better. I don't like Godzilla being a bad guy. I don't like King Ghidorah being a good guy (or a wimp....which he was in this film). In fact King Ghidorah, Mothra and Baragon were all too weak to give Godzilla any type of challenge. That movie just irritated me. Definitely my least favorite of the Millennium films.
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I love Godzilla JR. design
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...1/Image007.jpg http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...odzilla_Jr.jpg He doesen't have huge thighs that i hate if he only had bigger spikes he would be perfect.. he looks like a slimer version of 2014 Godzilla with a longer snout. |
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I do like "evil", or at least sinister or "anarchist" Godzilla. I don't necessarily think he'd have expressly "good" or "evil" traits consistently. He's a gigantic lizard monster that spits fire, a good deal of his mayhem should occasionally be because "F*ck you, I'm Godzilla, That's Why." :P |
My favorite designs must be the millennium era. Haven't seen all of them but I like the bigger, pointy spikes and really liked his evil look in GMK but Ive seen others who don't like it either. I just don't like how some designs give him such huge thighs and legs. Its silly looking.
I like the new movie design. Its meant to portray him as a more realistic creature that was mutated. The Toho designs are more on the side of monsterous and dragon like which is cool too. |
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Well it's obvious what's going on here, he's possesed by a deadite... |
I think the gimmick in GMK is that Godzilla was a representation of the souls that died in the bombings or something like that instead of some radiation monster.
He's pretty much Jason Voorhees. Especially with the beating heart ending. |
Just watched Godzilla 1998 since I thought I'd post my thoughts on it. I've always liked this movie. I always loved dinosaurs and I knew of Godzilla but I was never able to see any of the movies. The closest I would ever get is see a few clips on TV. I still was a huge fan and knew all the monsters names and histories based off the bios on the back of the Trendmaster toys. I remember thinking Space Godzilla was the coolest thing ever. I didn't like the Hannah Barbera cartoon too much but would watch it since it was the only Godzilla thing I had access too. I would've been such a happy kid if I'd had broadband internet and were able to check out all the movies as a kid.
When I saw the teaser for Godzilla 1998, I was so happy I'd finally be able to see Godzilla. I liked the movie a lot even if I wasn't crazy for it, but it's because I was getting older and I think DBZ, Pokemon and video games had most of my attention at the time and not dinosaurs. I was excited for more. I watched the cartoon and also loved it. So yeah, you can say I am biased towards my opinion about the film since I saw it as a kid but I was indeed a fan of the original for far many years before. The marketing for the movie was great, much better than the one for Godzilla 2014. It really felt like Godzilla was finally coming to the US, and it was everywhere, and most were all cryptic, never showing the full design of Godzilla. The soundtrack was pretty good as well. While the marketing for the 2014 movie wasn't bad it didn't reach the levels of the 1998 film. Now the movie gets crapped by pretty much everyone, which is unfair and the new movie has plenty of flaws that people can nitpick apart like they have this movie. You can read more about that here. First the design; this is a reboot and while I loved the classic design more as a kid and now the 1998 design is still very much Godzilla. The original was inspired by a T-Rex and the at the time "Tripod" look he had, so it's only natural that the reboot would incorporate what we now know about the T-Rex. It's like those who go crazy about the dinosaurs in the new Jurassic Park movie having feathers even though ironically it was JP that first changed the perception of how the public in general viewed dinosaurs. Great design and I love that he is actually fast and agile and not necessarily slow and clunky. You actually feel bad for the guy when his babies are killed. As for him going out so easily, it never bothered me too much but looking at it now it is indeed a little anti-climatic, but you do have to take into consideration he got straight hits from a submarine and then not one but two rounds of missiles. Today I noticed something though, Godzilla is never confirmed dead, he is left ambiguously dead. Whether it was because they wanted to use him in a sequel either as the hero or a bad guy, leaving two possibilities of who Godzilla was going to be in the second movie this one or the baby that survives in the ending. We know the cartoon used the baby with the mother coming back to life as well. Something I had read and knew about but it never hit me until this viewing is how it is indeed a lot like JP, some of the baby Godzilla scenes and the Taxi chasing scene are straight out of the first movie only done so much worse. The human story while not amazing is rather decent by monster movie standards, it's not good by any chance but when compared to others in the genre it's actually decent, this includes the acting. Now many of these parts can be picked apart but it's also a product of it's time, the mid to late 90s. I can already see the new Godzilla movie being made fun of by how gritty it's trying to be. The film is not perfect by any means but the amount of hate it gets is just silly, especially with how hard it can be to sit through many of the Toho Godzilla films. I'll be watching the animated cartoon, which is generally well liked by the internet and it really is a cool show and shows what a sequel could've been if it had been given a chance. Quote:
jeeze, the Godzilla 1998 hate has always been ridiculous, especially after this movie. The name of the movie is Godzilla, so he is Godzilla whether you like it or not. Hell if people are such purists on what he should look like then they should call him "Gojira", they even mention that in the movie "It's Gojira, you morons". Toho approved the designs of the movie afterall. |
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The way Zilla was owned in Final Wars makes me chuckle every time :lol:
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The Godzilla animated series from the 90s is one of my favourites from my teen years, so I can't be too fussed about Zilla.
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In case anyone didn't know, the Complete Animated Series is now available for purchase on dvd. I was able to get all 40 episodes for $9.99 at K-Mart, which is a steal because this series was much closer to how Godzilla should have behaved. So definitely pick this set up! http://www.amazon.com/Godzilla-Compl...zilla+animated
Leo656, yes King Ghidorah is pretty much Godzilla's arch enemy. In GMK, he is much smaller and weaker than Godzilla (he doesn't even have has gravity lightning beams until he is "brought back to life" for a 3rd time, and even then they just empower Godzilla even more so he can literally blow King Ghidorah into dust). Godzilla was too powerful in that film and every monster that fought him would only appear to be slaughtered. |
Anyone here watched the Mothra Heisei trilogy? It's meant for kids so I'm guessing it's cheesier than normal Godzilla movies but the monsters it battles are cool looking. I've seen the Showa Mothra movie which is pretty decent and the story was recycled in Godzilla vs Mothra only adding Godzilla.
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I hate defending so much Godzilla 1998 but people get so passionate about hating this fictional character that they start making **** up, "He is named "zilla" because Hollyweood American GAIJIN TOOK THE GOD OUT OF GODZILLA" geeze, really? As if Toho cared about anything but money or give two ***** about it, the Japanese would've been far happier if Sony had done the Trilogy as they would've gotten more money. |
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my favorite of the 3 is the legion movie |
Oh no, I meant the Mothra Heisei trilogy, accidentally typed Gamera instead.
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I do hope that some one does indeed release a quadrilogy with the original and the rebirth series |
@ sdp I think electric_sheep was referring to the IDW Godzilla comic books where Godzilla fought GINO. But they are not published by Toho.
I saw all the Heisei Mothra movies once. I liked the first one. The second one had a cool enemy monster but yea, it is very childish. Also, there is some furball critter in it that pees on things in order to heal them. :ohwell: ROM 3 was ok....Grand King Ghidorah was awesome looking but I dont remember the fights being anything major. I never felt Mothra could have stood any chance against any of the enemy monsters she faced in the trilogy without gaining insanely stupid extra powers (which she did). So that, along with the extra "childishness" thrown in didn't make them anything worthwhile to me. |
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I liked Godzilla '98. Its an entertaining, cheesy monster movie that should have been its own thing with another name. Ive always liked Zilla's design too. I still have my action figure from back then. Never saw the cartoon but glad to see its on DVD cause Ive been wanting to see it.
If only that movie was called Monster in Manhattan or something similar, people wouldn't trash it so much. It would have been seen as just another dinosaur/monster movie. |
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Although some of the CG doesn't look that good in some parts. |
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Ya some of the Toho movies have terrible CG. Even for a Godzilla movie. |
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oh, there is plenty wrong with the movie...the whole "godzilla in name only" is just the surface
also, that one scene, I would make a 9/11 joke...but I fear that it may of been "too soon" |
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20...or-d3aoo2w.jpg Destroyah has probably one of the coolest godzilla villain desings and he kinda looks like Balrog...
Also a crazy thought, what if they bring Jet Jaguar for the sequel, military can make him and he can be like a Jaeger from Pacific Rim... |
I watched Godzilla Final Wars for the first time last night and really enjoyed Zilla 98 eating atomic breath like a b*tch.
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