Eric Sachs/Shredder - reincarnation or descendant
 

What do you think of Eric Sachs as the Shredder?

Is he a reincarnation or descendant of Oroku Saki?

I've posted my theory before, but here it is again.

Shredder is an Utrom. He used an Oroku Saki "suit" in Japan and had his encounter with Hamato Yoshi, setting into place the events of TMNT history.

After relocating to NY, he dropped the Saki suit, likely because of the attached criminal baggage that it had, and adopted an "Eric Sachs" suit to pose as a legitimate businessman, while still remaining the Shredder.

So for all intents and purposes, Eric Sachs IS Oroku Saki, as they are the same individual, just in a different exo-suit

Most likely a hardcore fanatic of all things ninja/samurai/armor that happens to stumble across a ton of money to invest in a state of the art tech-suit that incorporates his collection of artifacts from one of Japan's finest shadow warriors. A man named, Oroku Saki.

I think neither. Either he is just the whitewashed version of Oroku Saki, since his name is way too similar, Eric Sachs. Or, he is possessed by the Spirit of Oroku.

Reincarnation or descendant? Please decide.

Neither, he is a white version of Oroku Saki.

Black and white options, much?

I don't think it's either.

This is exactly what I think. He's being operated by Krang/Utrom. The same one that operated Saki in Feudal japan. The fact that the ooze canister has TCRI written on it makes me think that we're definitely going to get a sci fi element in this film. I'm tired of waiting.. Just get here already.

If I had to pick though.. id pick reincarnation bc that's what we get in IDW. I wouldn't mind getting that for the movie

Anyone picked up descendant? Who knows? We might pick up the real Oroku Saki: the Tengu/Demon Shredder and he can take over Sachs' company in order to learn of his new environment.

Pardon for derailing, but I'm curious since I've seen it brought up a few times: how is his name similar to Oroku Saki? Is it just that "Sachs" and "Saki" are short names both beginning with S...?

Oroku Saki is the American Equivalent of Eric Sach...

I think they will the Tengu stuff here, or similar. Eric Sachs is probably just a businessman, the Shredder is seperate, and some anchient demon/spirit, and Sachs will possibly aquire his power in the movie, so he becomes the Shredder.

One of the actors said that someone becomes the Shredder in the movie. It fits my theory.


Maybe Hamato Yoshi was the enemy of the Shredder, or the one who defeated him?

Oroku - Eriku - Eric
Sachs - Sakusu - Saki

Neither.
If I play optimist card, than he is either Utrom with many fictional personalities or fanatical collectioner, who takes name Shredder, because of his obsession with japanese culture.
If I play pessimist card, then he is just alternate version of Oroku Saki, created by Bay and Co to make character "more accessible to the audience" (whatever that means).

I am not excluding possibility of him being demon, reincarnation or descendant, but those three theories above, are my main bets.

I think its possible. I posted a thread about this last month with a bunch of Wiki information about tengu shredder and how the scroll matches some of the mythology.

Check it out if you'd like http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47229

Knowing where this is headed. I reckon he's just some crazed scientist with a fascination for Japanese history. His intentions to create the Turtles as heroes was genuine but in a twisted turn of fate, he gets consumed by the Shredder suit as he goes out looking for them when they go AWOL. The suit has side effects of reincarnating the memory of Oroku Saki into him and as a result he goes crazy and then is hell bent on killing the Turtles instead of capturing them.

I hope that's not true, since it's a really lame idea, but anything is possible with what we know so far.

if shredders mom was white and dad japanese, would u guys atleast accept that?

^ This is pretty much what I think.

Well it certainly makes "sense" but it's all needlessly complicated when it could just be Oroku Saki and have done with it.

I'm not sure the likelihood of this considering that Fichtner has said that Sachs is fascinated by the armor and that there are people that become Shredder and that it could be anyone.

I kind of think something along these lines too.

Okay. That piqued my curiosity, how is Saki needlessly complicated?

It was a horrible idea and it completly ruined the chartachter of Oroku Saki, that's the worst way that they can take in the new movie..
And how is having a real Oroku more complicated?

I'd go with reincarnation.

Eric Sachs resurrected Oroku Saki.

I like this theory, very plausible.

Eric Sachs/Shredder - reincarnation or descendant (starting over)
 

Starting over from last thread.

Starting over:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47423

Why is a duplicate necessary? That's just spam.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ma2J3n32Vh...t_facepalm.jpg

What's wrong with the old thread?

What the..

Apparently, we are only allowed to theorize and speculate about reincarnation or descendant angles, and Utrom possibility... All else is BLASPHEMY!

Uh... now I feel dumb, I'm still not understanding... ><

Wait... do you mean like, Eriku is how Japanese guys would pronounce Erik and Sakusu is the way they'd say Sachs, for some reason? Sorry, I'm not much of a "weeaboo" by any means...

Ah, yeah. Cramming in seasons of backstory telling, is no good for a 2 hour movie.

The names are too similar, so similar I recon there is no Oroku Saki in the PD movie, cause Sachs is the whitewashed version of Oroku.

Based on the concept art that we've seen thus far, I think that we're going to get an Utrom Shredder... it was one of the few things that I didn't like in 4kids and I doubt I'll like if we get it in the movie. I'm a simple creature; I like Oroku Saki as a human being, not an alien.

That being said, it's still all conjecture at this point.

I'm assuming you mean Krang. Why do we need to merge the two most popular villains?

Surely by merging them that means you get one new questionable character instead of two proven ones. It wasn't so much of an issue in the 4kids series were there was little chance we'd see Krang and Ch'rell being (perhaps unintentional) exploration of what Krang could have been.

I actually did grow to like the 4kids take on the idea but that had several episodes across three seasons to prove itself and had someone with a cynical eye guiding it. One of the reasons it worked is that for the most part he was acting as Oroku Saki which is what this really boils down to.

All these revamped 4kids and IDW ideas seem to be a way to excuse the very questionable decision of hiring Fichtner to play a character whose pretty linked to Japanese roots and that's before getting into the debate of whether he could physically pull off being a martial arts master outside of a cgi costume. Based on what Fichtner has said that's not even going to be attempted - remember anyone could be Shredder when wearing the costume in this movie.

Also count me for someone liking an explanation of how the original Shredder idea is needlessly complex?

me too. The defense is grasping at straws. I'm curious how some one can write off the origin of the Shredder as just too complicated in defense of the move version. Lemme get some popcorn

I still believe that Eric Sach is NOT the real Shredder. Rather, he is simply a fanatic; a man obsessed with the legend of the Shredder. So much so, that he himself fashions armor and becomes, in his mind, The Shredder and has created his own personal "Foot" army.

However, after he is defeated, it is revealed that the real Shredder, and his Foot clan, are coming to seek vengeance on him and The Turtles (whom they will have some connection to per the scroll).


So basically a rip off of Iron Man 3 and All Hail The King. :oops:


But seriously, this is what I believe will happen.

I agree, I definitely think it makes him a much more powerful and terrifying character. I've always wanted to see Krang in a live action film. I love the 2k3 toon, but some times I think they got carried away imo.

Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman were the ones that created this idea of android exo suits and multiple shredders no? It's very possible that this new " Sachs " idea came from the mind of Eastman to begin with Judging by what Liebesman has said in a few interviews. I personally don't want to see the same story we saw in 1990. I'm happy with them exploring a fresh new take on the mythology. I'm happy with them digging deeper and having a richer back story. Imo if I want to see the original Oroku Saki story I can just pop in the first live action movie. So far I think this Shredder looks more menacing, more powerful, more connected with him having literal control over the entire city, media, politicians, Police department, Medical research/ TCRI and having a possible connection with Krang, or even being Krang. I can't wait to see this play out. It's something I've ALWAYS wanted to see in a live action film. Kevin also came up with the IDW spin on things. That would also be an interesting direction imo. I don't know.. I welcome the new take.

Anyone picked descendant? I feel like no one has.

I mean what if Eric Sachs was descended from Saki the original Shredder?

I think its a possibility.. I'm open to it. But then where does Yoshi fit into that? I'm not sure if they would include Saki without Including Yoshi.. I can't wait until these questions are finally put to rest.. I think this film deserves a Guinness world record for causing more arguments on the internet than anything ever lol

Where's the there won't be any mention of Oroku Saki in the movie option?

I wouldn't bet on it considering the Eric Sachs actor (William Fichtner) is signed for 3 TMNT movies already. He is the one true Shredder imo.