Eric Sachs/Shredder - reincarnation or descendant

[ninja-zero]

What do you think of Eric Sachs as the Shredder?

Is he a reincarnation or descendant of Oroku Saki?

[Y2Bogus]

I've posted my theory before, but here it is again.

Shredder is an Utrom. He used an Oroku Saki "suit" in Japan and had his encounter with Hamato Yoshi, setting into place the events of TMNT history.

After relocating to NY, he dropped the Saki suit, likely because of the attached criminal baggage that it had, and adopted an "Eric Sachs" suit to pose as a legitimate businessman, while still remaining the Shredder.

So for all intents and purposes, Eric Sachs IS Oroku Saki, as they are the same individual, just in a different exo-suit

[MastahShredder]

Most likely a hardcore fanatic of all things ninja/samurai/armor that happens to stumble across a ton of money to invest in a state of the art tech-suit that incorporates his collection of artifacts from one of Japan's finest shadow warriors. A man named, Oroku Saki.

[Candy Kappa]

I think neither. Either he is just the whitewashed version of Oroku Saki, since his name is way too similar, Eric Sachs. Or, he is possessed by the Spirit of Oroku.

[ninja-zero]

Reincarnation or descendant? Please decide.

[electric_sheep]

Neither, he is a white version of Oroku Saki.

[Candy Kappa]

Black and white options, much?

I don't think it's either.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Y2Bogus

I've posted my theory before, but here it is again.

Shredder is an Utrom. He used an Oroku Saki "suit" in Japan and had his encounter with Hamato Yoshi, setting into place the events of TMNT history.

After relocating to NY, he dropped the Saki suit, likely because of the attached criminal baggage that it had, and adopted an "Eric Sachs" suit to pose as a legitimate businessman, while still remaining the Shredder.

So for all intents and purposes, Eric Sachs IS Oroku Saki, as they are the same individual, just in a different exo-suit

This is exactly what I think. He's being operated by Krang/Utrom. The same one that operated Saki in Feudal japan. The fact that the ooze canister has TCRI written on it makes me think that we're definitely going to get a sci fi element in this film. I'm tired of waiting.. Just get here already.

If I had to pick though.. id pick reincarnation bc that's what we get in IDW. I wouldn't mind getting that for the movie

[ninja-zero]

Anyone picked up descendant? Who knows? We might pick up the real Oroku Saki: the Tengu/Demon Shredder and he can take over Sachs' company in order to learn of his new environment.

[Glados]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Either he is just the whitewashed version of Oroku Saki, since his name is way too similar, Eric Sachs.

Pardon for derailing, but I'm curious since I've seen it brought up a few times: how is his name similar to Oroku Saki? Is it just that "Sachs" and "Saki" are short names both beginning with S...?

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Glados

Pardon for derailing, but I'm curious since I've seen it brought up a few times: how is his name similar to Oroku Saki? Is it just that "Sachs" and "Saki" are short names both beginning with S...?

Oroku Saki is the American Equivalent of Eric Sach...

[Tazi]

I think they will the Tengu stuff here, or similar. Eric Sachs is probably just a businessman, the Shredder is seperate, and some anchient demon/spirit, and Sachs will possibly aquire his power in the movie, so he becomes the Shredder.

One of the actors said that someone becomes the Shredder in the movie. It fits my theory.


Maybe Hamato Yoshi was the enemy of the Shredder, or the one who defeated him?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Glados

Pardon for derailing, but I'm curious since I've seen it brought up a few times: how is his name similar to Oroku Saki? Is it just that "Sachs" and "Saki" are short names both beginning with S...?

Oroku - Eriku - Eric
Sachs - Sakusu - Saki

[Sumac]

Neither.
If I play optimist card, than he is either Utrom with many fictional personalities or fanatical collectioner, who takes name Shredder, because of his obsession with japanese culture.
If I play pessimist card, then he is just alternate version of Oroku Saki, created by Bay and Co to make character "more accessible to the audience" (whatever that means).

I am not excluding possibility of him being demon, reincarnation or descendant, but those three theories above, are my main bets.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Anyone picked up descendant? Who knows? We might pick up the real Oroku Saki: the Tengu/Demon Shredder and he can take over Sachs' company in order to learn of his new environment.

I think its possible. I posted a thread about this last month with a bunch of Wiki information about tengu shredder and how the scroll matches some of the mythology.

Check it out if you'd like http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47229

[jezza]

Knowing where this is headed. I reckon he's just some crazed scientist with a fascination for Japanese history. His intentions to create the Turtles as heroes was genuine but in a twisted turn of fate, he gets consumed by the Shredder suit as he goes out looking for them when they go AWOL. The suit has side effects of reincarnating the memory of Oroku Saki into him and as a result he goes crazy and then is hell bent on killing the Turtles instead of capturing them.

I hope that's not true, since it's a really lame idea, but anything is possible with what we know so far.

[alliance]

if shredders mom was white and dad japanese, would u guys atleast accept that?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I think neither. Either he is just the whitewashed version of Oroku Saki, since his name is way too similar, Eric Sachs. Or, he is possessed by the Spirit of Oroku.

^ This is pretty much what I think.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Y2Bogus

I've posted my theory before, but here it is again.

Shredder is an Utrom. He used an Oroku Saki "suit" in Japan and had his encounter with Hamato Yoshi, setting into place the events of TMNT history.

After relocating to NY, he dropped the Saki suit, likely because of the attached criminal baggage that it had, and adopted an "Eric Sachs" suit to pose as a legitimate businessman, while still remaining the Shredder.

So for all intents and purposes, Eric Sachs IS Oroku Saki, as they are the same individual, just in a different exo-suit

Well it certainly makes "sense" but it's all needlessly complicated when it could just be Oroku Saki and have done with it.

I'm not sure the likelihood of this considering that Fichtner has said that Sachs is fascinated by the armor and that there are people that become Shredder and that it could be anyone.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by jezza

Knowing where this is headed. I reckon he's just some crazed scientist with a fascination for Japanese history. His intentions to create the Turtles as heroes was genuine but in a twisted turn of fate, he gets consumed by the Shredder suit as he goes out looking for them when they go AWOL. The suit has side effects of reincarnating the memory of Oroku Saki into him and as a result he goes crazy and then is hell bent on killing the Turtles instead of capturing them.

I hope that's not true, since it's a really lame idea, but anything is possible with what we know so far.

I kind of think something along these lines too.