I think this will be a surprise hit
 

Sorry for starting another thread but all the other threads are full of bickering and bloated and really hard to follow, that's why I've avoided this section. For the most part the fandom seems to hate this version of the movie with the exception of a small fraction of new members. However opinion in general on the internet is rather mixed with a lot of people saying it looks great. Now with actual people I in real life most people seem pretty positive, I'm talking casual fans who are the ones who will get the movie to make money. GotG has been getting a lot of marketing and positive feedback online but it's an unproven franchise, just because it's Marvel doesn't mean anything, I think it's likely to be the flop of the summer while this movie being a surprise hit. The turtles are already in a lot of products in stores...what do you guys think? I'll even go as far as to say that the movie looks like it has potential to be awesome, like most dromers here who followed the movie before Laird sold the rights, we all wanted a closer to the comicbooks movie and we won't be getting that, we got something radically different but while some of the choices I question others I think are pretty wicked once you give them a chance and realize this is a new interpretation and not a "Mirage" movie. So yeah, I've gone from extremely hyped many years ago and only losing more and more interest over the years and with a lot of casting and early leaks my interest waned more but eventually saw it as a new take and while weary I think it can be amazing.

I think its more then just a surprise hit, But a guaranteed hit, This is TMNT were talking about, I willing to bet, It'll do way more then Guardians of the Galaxy.

Just because it's turtles doesn't mean anything, TMNT 2007 wasn't that successful, and had plenty of toy sales, advertising and tie-ins and yet while not bombing it couldn't get a sequel funded and basically began what became the death of Imagi even if it was Astro Boy who really killed it. Too bad, they had plenty of potential and would've loved their Gatchaman movie, the leaked trailer looked amazing.

TMNT 2007 being animation made most people not care about the movie though. Sad but true, you can have a more mature animated movie and a live action movie that is absolutely terrible and yet only the live action movie will get any attention/respect.

Probably cause the 2007 movie did not had Shredder in it is what killed it, It had Karai, But she didn't do much in that film. The sequel couldve had the Shredder in it.

Yes.. With it pretty clear now that this is unlikely to be dark and gritty like some were hoping, I don't think most are getting exactly what they had hoped/expected initially, be it darkness, cuter characters, or otherwise.

Looking at it objectively, with the amount we have seen lately, I think it will do well enough if most run across enough of these trailers/clips. Some who aren't seeing much on tv and aren't actively looking for it... that could be an issue with reaching them. I haven't seen much on tv, I don't watch much tv and when I do have it on I haven't seen the trailers at all. My own opinion has improved a bit entirely because of all the video that has gone online lately, the vast majority of it because of fans themselves rather than a marketing source.

But I, cautiously, think it will do pretty well. The personalities and such of these guys may well be the saving grace for any weaknesses.

I agree with sdp. I'm always baffled by how seriously over-inflated the people here see TMNT's popularity. It's not that popular! I'm very wide-open with my TMNT interest. I deal with hundreds of people a week through my jobs. You know how many times I hear, "TMNT! I remember that!" from people who don't even know there was a second cartoon, let alone a third one that's on right now? People who have no idea there even IS a new movie? The popularity of this franchise is so, so, SO very niche anymore. It genuinely seems like the only ones who "really" care at all, are the people on this forum and a bunch of little kids. The other 95% of people don't know and don't care. Just because we're vocal about how much we care doesn't mean everyone else feels that way.

It very well could be a hit, but it just as well could be a middling disappointment like the last four movies. If everyone who says they care about TMNT actually buys a ticket, well... that'll be a first. Even when the first movie came out, when TMNT was at its peak, it didn't do huge money. In the eyes of the general public, this is just another Hollywood rehash of a "dead" franchise, and generally speaking, those are a tough sell.

Either way, we'll see. Enough people do care that it CAN easily be a hit, but it could just as easily be another Lone Ranger or Dark Shadows, two other remakes of popular but "dead" franchises that went on to make exactly zero money. I'd just rather see people hope for a hit and be pleasantly surprised, rather than expect one and then be all pissed if it's not. I've got no personal investment in its success; I just found out Sin City 2 comes out in August, so there goes my movie budget anyway.

I think it will be a surprise hit, over the last few months their been pedictions saying this movie is going to bomb and won't make much money but that was before we had the main trailer and tv spots had come out and now the marketing has exploded and we seeing a lot of promotion.

Also a lot of fans who thought this was going to be terrible move are now changing there minds and want to go see it.

This is the yearly 2014 DOMESTIC GROSSES chart for the US

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2014&p=.htm

I think it will defently make lot of money at the box office maybe over 200 million mark (in US) and maybe over 500 million world wide but I doubt it will beat Captain America, X-Men, Transfomers 4 ect. I think the global gross will be slow at first because world release dates are too spread out and of course the worry over piracy.

I expect the first test for this movie is when the crictics will review it.

What you want to bet? I bet with Puddinpop that GOTG will beat TMNT, and I guess who ever wins would have to post the winning movie is the greatest movie ever made in their signature.

Personally, I am thinking whatever TMNT makes, GOTG will make about 30% more.

Yeah I have to agree here, GOTG will probably make more money overall in the office box.

i think it depends what you mean by "hit"?

do you mean its going to blow peoples minds away and be the box office smash of the summer that we will be talking about forever listed on largest movie sales

or do you mean it will stand its place,proudly and strong and make money back

i agree with everything Leo656 said, and thats what makes me think its the second

my money is still on GOTG and a few other movies giving TMNT a fight for its life..i don't think TMNT will flop super hard, it will probably atleast make its budget back

I Dont think it being Turtles alone will drive its sales but a good story that makes you forget all this controversy

Really weird how people are 'taking sides'. Oh yeah, MY movie is gonna win!

That'll make my life important....?

I don't even think GotG is "guaranteed" anything. It's a Marvel movie, sure, but until a month ago only 8 people even gave a sh*t. And even a lot of people I hear talk about it are more curious than genuinely interested. It's literally just Marvel's "Screw You, everything we put on screen makes a ton of money" movie. But that doesn't mean it will. It might. But just like could *potentially* happen to TMNT, if enough people don't like it, the buzz will kill it on the vine.

People are generally stupid, after all, and only think what they're told to think. If enough of the fence-sitters hear from their friends "It was okay, but not great", they won't go. I mean, Godzilla got really good reviews overall, but a lot of people were like, "Eh, I heard from my friend there's not enough Godzilla in it, I'm not gonna go" and stuff like that.

Both movies are a gamble. The opening weekend buzz will completely tell how well either one will do in the long run. Anything less than "Best Thing Ever" word of mouth, and people will wait for the DVDs. That's pretty much where things are now with movies. They're too expensive; people only go when they know they're going to like everything - everything - about it before they even see it.

Guilty as hell of that, by the way. I'm like, "I don't think movies are in the budget this summer," and then I see a Sin City 2 trailer, and I'm like "Yeeeaaah!" :lol:

I'm not worried about Gurdians of the Galaxy beating TMNT because TMNT is out in October over here.

Ok some of you want GOTG to beat TMNT, well it may do but GOTG it's not going to beat Transformers and the other Marvel films.

honestly i think the sporadic international releases could hurt tmnt more than GOTG or anymore...i still do not get that at all.....i get not releasing a movie all at once world wide, but not with month long gaps, that just confuses me

i think this movie has the potential to surprise people (in the good, 'i actually enjoyed that, but didnt expect to kinda' way)

they are being very unconventional, and taking some risks in the form of:

- drawing their main inspiration from the original 90s cartoon, rather than, the now popular NICK 3-D animated series
- having a reported runtime of less than 100 mins, when there is a trend in Hollywood to make movies at least 2 hrs long
- there is the undeniable trend to churn out superhero films that are dark - and this is upbeat, heavily laced in comedy
- there is the trend to take superheroes and ground them in reality, and this film seems not to take itself so seriously, but just enjoy the ridiculousness of it all

...is it a formula for success? nope, but could it work? goodness, I hope so.

What does that have to do with anything?

I don't get it either. What IF it sucks? What if the word of mouth is really, really bad? Will people who spent three months reading spoilers and hearing how "bad" it is still bother buying tickets? It's puzzling, to say the least. Either they have supreme confidence in everyone who ever watched the OT buying a ticket, or they completely don't care at all.

Guardians adds Turtles reference...

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exactly..I personally feel the "what if's" are too great..and i don't mean to pick on TMNT but its currently the movie in that spot, i don't feel its a smart movie for any movie


well maybe Godzilla...i recently heard Japan is being huge think about Godzilla "Returning Home" but i don't think TMNT can do the same

I believe it will be a hit too. :tlove:

Even if it doesn't (like Rise of the Guardians, How to Train Your Dragons 2 which flopped but very great movies regardless) I will still likely love it, I adore every single TMNT 2014 trailers released so far.

We are so lucky to have this movie in the franchise.

Let me put it this way, it's going to no surprise it is a hit because of Bay's association and influence on the film. His films have almost all made over $400 million, and I'm sure Nickelodeon kept that in mind in making Bay involved with the project.

It would actually be a "surprise bomb" if this movie does horribly because the curiosity and nostalgia factors are huge here. So unless the critics rate this movie far worse than the Transformers movies, or the word of mouth is just that bad, I think we can be sure the movie will do well financially.

Transformers 4 got very VERY bad reviews (14% on rottentomatoes. But that site is debateable, they rate crap movies like The Muppets as 91% and Lego Movie 99%; I reckon most of the reviewers are just retarded old fools who just rate things based on nostalgic and bias rather than quality) but T4 still manage to collect $794,556,888 worldwide so far.

So even if the reviews are bad, I'm not worried. As long people buy tickets and watch it, we're okay. Reviews are not that reliable, judge it for yourself. :)

So because you think those movies are crap the whole world should to?

or are you to dumb to notice a well written story or real crap slapped together by hasbeens

iD wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

I hope audience numbers count just as much as tickets bought, because they're giving away an awful lot of free tickets via Crush.


Oh no you didn't. *grabs swords* We're taking this outside...

Woah dude, slow down on the insults lol

Wow so offensive, like I didn't even insult you but you insulted me. I'm upset, truly I am. Not. IDGAF.

And yes, it's crap as if it's written by a childish kindergartener. Truly terrible plot and pacing, terrible music and cringeworthy dance numbers. Poor characters aside from Kermit and Ms Piggy but that's not saying much. So many people walked out of the cinema when I watched it. Some slept through it. I stayed until the end, and as we walked out people were muttering among friends "who the heck recommended us to watch this??!", "I regret coming", "I hate the musics". My little sister even said: "worst movie ever" at that time.

I actually thought the Muppets was a pretty bad movie too.

The Boston Ninja Turtle Im not trying to be offensive or anything, but considering the fact that you want others to respect your opinion, you should probably start doing the same.

Like I said, it's only my views and some others. If you disagree and enjoy it that's fine.

I'm happy that you're happy and enjoying it; having a good time that's what matters.

I think GotG has the potential to be the best Marvel movie since Iron Man which IMO has yet to be topped, however I just don't see it clicking as much as Ninja Turtles. I think TMNT however will get more money. Will the movie be any good? I truly have no idea, they took radical decisions in the production of the movie and if they use those radical ideas to their fullest and create an over the top fun crazy movie it could be great or it could just as easily fail.

The fandom here isn't getting what they wanted, and it gets unjustified hate here. I'm upset too that we won't get the Mirage movie we were promised years ago but this new take on the turtles could be fun. The the general consensus outside the drome isn't as bad and mostly positive, not even that mixed, much better than what the 2007 film had.

What? I was referring to the fact that you questioned if he was dumb or not. That's all, I wasn't trying to offend you.

jeezzz...

I imagine it'd be a fairly successful film if GotG wasn't one week ahead. Considering TMNT isn't all that popular as it used to be, and Marvel's the big thing now... I think Guardians will beat out TMNT on the latter film's opening weekend.

Also, I think GotG has better word of mouth.

How to Train Your Dragons 2 had great words of mouth too but it flopped and many of Dreamworks' employees were laid off. Same as Rise of the Guardians movie.

You can never really tell.

Yeah, it's super hard to predict things anymore. I personally think coming out in mid-August when parents are buying back to school stuff and have already dragged their kids to the movies six times in one summer is going to be a big Wild Card in the mix. They know the DVD will be out well before Christmas; if they themselves don't want to see it in theaters, then little Timmy just may have to suck it up and wait.

Like anything else, it's impossible to predict with any certainty, but it's a factor, for sure.

People are expecting it to be a hit. I think it's gonna be a surprise bomb.

Coola: A bomb in that it doesn't do well at all, or a bomb in that it makes its budget back, but little more?

I think, honestly, it'll at least make its budget back. I think that if it's vapid that even nostalgia won't get many people in the theater more than once, but I'm expecting the brand name to bring it up to at least a respectable number. I just don't think it will be super-huge, because it seems to lack the things that make a film enjoyable on a level past "that looked cool".

"Bomb" or "disappointment", though, are tough to accurately define. People still love to refer to "Superman Returns" as a bomb, disappointment, etc., but it made back over twice what it cost and the DVD was one of the top selling DVDs of the year. In fact, it made quite a bit more than "Batman Begins", which was universally praised, yet "Returns" didn't get two sequels. It's only viewed as a "disappointment" by history because WB set an arbitrary number that they wanted to see the movie hit to be considered a "success", and it fell a few million short, so the studio immediately disowned it. WB calling it a failure in turn led everyone else to parrot that belief, when in fact, it was anything but that. It made a lot of money, or at least, what was considered "a lot of money" before Transformers and Avengers came out. It wasn't even a case of, "This movie needs to make X to be successful," it was, "We would like to see it hit X because we're not convinced the character sells, so if it doesn't hit X we don't want to spend the money again.

So, I don't think TMNT will "bomb" in that nobody will go see it. I just think it might be a case like "Returns", where everyone makes up a number they expect it to hit, and if it doesn't, that's "failure".

It will be a failure. But for some reason I expect it to have a craptastic sequel. People are shortsighted. They'd rather see a trilogy of this mess than let a better creative team do a better job and succeed where pd screwed up.

I am NOT shortsighted just because I want to see this movie.

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if this movie bombs.

I think people are only "short-sighted" in that they'd happily take a poor movie over none at all, just so the brand doesn't go away. Not saying for sure this movie IS poor, but pretty much everyone HAS said, "Even if it's bad, I WILL love it anyway, because it's TMNT." That's what I think is a little bit wrong.

I mean, I decided back in 1997 or so, that I'd prefer nobody ever made a Batman movie again if "Batman & Robin" or even "Forever" was as good as they could do. It's not worth it. Likewise, IF this movie is bad, I won't cry if it fails. But people shouldn't ever just blindly support anything with Brand X on it. That's my issue. Like what you like, but that whole, "Well, it's bad, but I love the brand, so here's my money" kind of thing some people have going on.

Yeah I agree with everything you have said here.

your on the wrong forum then bud, lol