I think this will be a surprise hit

*sdp* · 07-18-2014, 04:16 PM

Sorry for starting another thread but all the other threads are full of bickering and bloated and really hard to follow, that's why I've avoided this section. For the most part the fandom seems to hate this version of the movie with the exception of a small fraction of new members. However opinion in general on the internet is rather mixed with a lot of people saying it looks great. Now with actual people I in real life most people seem pretty positive, I'm talking casual fans who are the ones who will get the movie to make money. GotG has been getting a lot of marketing and positive feedback online but it's an unproven franchise, just because it's Marvel doesn't mean anything, I think it's likely to be the flop of the summer while this movie being a surprise hit. The turtles are already in a lot of products in stores...what do you guys think? I'll even go as far as to say that the movie looks like it has potential to be awesome, like most dromers here who followed the movie before Laird sold the rights, we all wanted a closer to the comicbooks movie and we won't be getting that, we got something radically different but while some of the choices I question others I think are pretty wicked once you give them a chance and realize this is a new interpretation and not a "Mirage" movie. So yeah, I've gone from extremely hyped many years ago and only losing more and more interest over the years and with a lot of casting and early leaks my interest waned more but eventually saw it as a new take and while weary I think it can be amazing.

*TigerClaw* · 07-18-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Sorry for starting another thread but all the other threads are full of bickering and bloated and really hard to follow, that's why I've avoided this section. For the most part the fandom seems to hate this version of the movie with the exception of a small fraction of new members. However opinion in general on the internet is rather mixed with a lot of people saying it looks great. Now with actual people I in real life most people seem pretty positive, I'm talking casual fans who are the ones who will get the movie to make money. GotG has been getting a lot of marketing and positive feedback online but it's an unproven franchise, just because it's Marvel doesn't mean anything, I think it's likely to be the flop of the summer while this movie being a surprise hit. The turtles are already in a lot of products in stores...what do you guys think? I'll even go as far as to say that the movie looks like it has potential to be awesome, like most dromers here who followed the movie before Laird sold the rights, we all wanted a closer to the comicbooks movie and we won't be getting that, we got something radically different but while some of the choices I question others I think are pretty wicked once you give them a chance and realize this is a new interpretation and not a "Mirage" movie. So yeah, I've gone from extremely hyped many years ago and only losing more and more interest over the years and with a lot of casting and early leaks my interest waned more but eventually saw it as a new take and while weary I think it can be amazing.

I think its more then just a surprise hit, But a guaranteed hit, This is TMNT were talking about, I willing to bet, It'll do way more then Guardians of the Galaxy.

*sdp* · 07-18-2014, 04:24 PM

Just because it's turtles doesn't mean anything, TMNT 2007 wasn't that successful, and had plenty of toy sales, advertising and tie-ins and yet while not bombing it couldn't get a sequel funded and basically began what became the death of Imagi even if it was Astro Boy who really killed it. Too bad, they had plenty of potential and would've loved their Gatchaman movie, the leaked trailer looked amazing.

TMNT 2007 being animation made most people not care about the movie though. Sad but true, you can have a more mature animated movie and a live action movie that is absolutely terrible and yet only the live action movie will get any attention/respect.

*TigerClaw* · 07-18-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

TMNT 2007 wasn't that successful, it couldn't get a sequel funded and basically began what became the death of Imagi even if it was Astro Boy who really killed it. Too bad, they had plenty of potential and would've loved their Gatchaman movie, the leaked trailer looked amazing.

Probably cause the 2007 movie did not had Shredder in it is what killed it, It had Karai, But she didn't do much in that film. The sequel couldve had the Shredder in it.

*IndigoErth* · 07-18-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

...like most dromers here who followed the movie before Laird sold the rights, we all wanted a closer to the comicbooks movie and we won't be getting that, we got something radically different but while some of the choices I question others I think are pretty wicked once you give them a chance and realize this is a new interpretation and not a "Mirage" movie. So yeah, I've gone from extremely hyped many years ago and only losing more and more interest over the years and with a lot of casting and early leaks my interest waned more but eventually saw it as a new take and while weary I think it can be amazing.

Yes.. With it pretty clear now that this is unlikely to be dark and gritty like some were hoping, I don't think most are getting exactly what they had hoped/expected initially, be it darkness, cuter characters, or otherwise.

Looking at it objectively, with the amount we have seen lately, I think it will do well enough if most run across enough of these trailers/clips. Some who aren't seeing much on tv and aren't actively looking for it... that could be an issue with reaching them. I haven't seen much on tv, I don't watch much tv and when I do have it on I haven't seen the trailers at all. My own opinion has improved a bit entirely because of all the video that has gone online lately, the vast majority of it because of fans themselves rather than a marketing source.

But I, cautiously, think it will do pretty well. The personalities and such of these guys may well be the saving grace for any weaknesses.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-18-2014, 04:50 PM

I agree with sdp. I'm always baffled by how seriously over-inflated the people here see TMNT's popularity. It's not that popular! I'm very wide-open with my TMNT interest. I deal with hundreds of people a week through my jobs. You know how many times I hear, "TMNT! I remember that!" from people who don't even know there was a second cartoon, let alone a third one that's on right now? People who have no idea there even IS a new movie? The popularity of this franchise is so, so, SO very niche anymore. It genuinely seems like the only ones who "really" care at all, are the people on this forum and a bunch of little kids. The other 95% of people don't know and don't care. Just because we're vocal about how much we care doesn't mean everyone else feels that way.

It very well could be a hit, but it just as well could be a middling disappointment like the last four movies. If everyone who says they care about TMNT actually buys a ticket, well... that'll be a first. Even when the first movie came out, when TMNT was at its peak, it didn't do huge money. In the eyes of the general public, this is just another Hollywood rehash of a "dead" franchise, and generally speaking, those are a tough sell.

Either way, we'll see. Enough people do care that it CAN easily be a hit, but it could just as easily be another Lone Ranger or Dark Shadows, two other remakes of popular but "dead" franchises that went on to make exactly zero money. I'd just rather see people hope for a hit and be pleasantly surprised, rather than expect one and then be all pissed if it's not. I've got no personal investment in its success; I just found out Sin City 2 comes out in August, so there goes my movie budget anyway.

*Vicky82* · 07-18-2014, 04:55 PM

I think it will be a surprise hit, over the last few months their been pedictions saying this movie is going to bomb and won't make much money but that was before we had the main trailer and tv spots had come out and now the marketing has exploded and we seeing a lot of promotion.

Also a lot of fans who thought this was going to be terrible move are now changing there minds and want to go see it.

This is the yearly 2014 DOMESTIC GROSSES chart for the US

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2014&p=.htm

I think it will defently make lot of money at the box office maybe over 200 million mark (in US) and maybe over 500 million world wide but I doubt it will beat Captain America, X-Men, Transfomers 4 ect. I think the global gross will be slow at first because world release dates are too spread out and of course the worry over piracy.

I expect the first test for this movie is when the crictics will review it.

*Warhorse* · 07-18-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I think its more then just a surprise hit, But a guaranteed hit, This is TMNT were talking about, I willing to bet, It'll do way more then Guardians of the Galaxy.

What you want to bet? I bet with Puddinpop that GOTG will beat TMNT, and I guess who ever wins would have to post the winning movie is the greatest movie ever made in their signature.

Personally, I am thinking whatever TMNT makes, GOTG will make about 30% more.

Xiewin · 07-18-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

What you want to bet? I bet with Puddinpop that GOTG will beat TMNT, and I guess who ever wins would have to post the winning movie is the greatest movie ever made in their signature.

Personally, I am thinking whatever TMNT makes, GOTG will make about 30% more.

Yeah I have to agree here, GOTG will probably make more money overall in the office box.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 07-18-2014, 05:08 PM

i think it depends what you mean by "hit"?

do you mean its going to blow peoples minds away and be the box office smash of the summer that we will be talking about forever listed on largest movie sales

or do you mean it will stand its place,proudly and strong and make money back

i agree with everything Leo656 said, and thats what makes me think its the second

my money is still on GOTG and a few other movies giving TMNT a fight for its life..i don't think TMNT will flop super hard, it will probably atleast make its budget back

I Dont think it being Turtles alone will drive its sales but a good story that makes you forget all this controversy

*The Stryker* · 07-18-2014, 05:12 PM

Really weird how people are 'taking sides'. Oh yeah, MY movie is gonna win!

That'll make my life important....?

~~Leo656~~ · 07-18-2014, 05:18 PM

I don't even think GotG is "guaranteed" anything. It's a Marvel movie, sure, but until a month ago only 8 people even gave a sh*t. And even a lot of people I hear talk about it are more curious than genuinely interested. It's literally just Marvel's "Screw You, everything we put on screen makes a ton of money" movie. But that doesn't mean it will. It might. But just like could *potentially* happen to TMNT, if enough people don't like it, the buzz will kill it on the vine.

People are generally stupid, after all, and only think what they're told to think. If enough of the fence-sitters hear from their friends "It was okay, but not great", they won't go. I mean, Godzilla got really good reviews overall, but a lot of people were like, "Eh, I heard from my friend there's not enough Godzilla in it, I'm not gonna go" and stuff like that.

Both movies are a gamble. The opening weekend buzz will completely tell how well either one will do in the long run. Anything less than "Best Thing Ever" word of mouth, and people will wait for the DVDs. That's pretty much where things are now with movies. They're too expensive; people only go when they know they're going to like everything - everything - about it before they even see it.

Guilty as hell of that, by the way. I'm like, "I don't think movies are in the budget this summer," and then I see a Sin City 2 trailer, and I'm like "Yeeeaaah!"

*Vicky82* · 07-18-2014, 05:24 PM

I'm not worried about Gurdians of the Galaxy beating TMNT because TMNT is out in October over here.

Ok some of you want GOTG to beat TMNT, well it may do but GOTG it's not going to beat Transformers and the other Marvel films.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 07-18-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

I'm not worried about Gurdians of the Galaxy beating TMNT because TMNT is out in October over here.

Ok some of you want GOTG to beat TMNT, well it may do but GOTG it's not going to beat Transformers and the other Marvel films.

honestly i think the sporadic international releases could hurt tmnt more than GOTG or anymore...i still do not get that at all.....i get not releasing a movie all at once world wide, but not with month long gaps, that just confuses me

graphic_content · 07-18-2014, 05:27 PM

i think this movie has the potential to surprise people (in the good, 'i actually enjoyed that, but didnt expect to kinda' way)

they are being very unconventional, and taking some risks in the form of:

- drawing their main inspiration from the original 90s cartoon, rather than, the now popular NICK 3-D animated series
- having a reported runtime of less than 100 mins, when there is a trend in Hollywood to make movies at least 2 hrs long
- there is the undeniable trend to churn out superhero films that are dark - and this is upbeat, heavily laced in comedy
- there is the trend to take superheroes and ground them in reality, and this film seems not to take itself so seriously, but just enjoy the ridiculousness of it all

...is it a formula for success? nope, but could it work? goodness, I hope so.

*NinjaPug* · 07-18-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Ok some of you want GOTG to beat TMNT, well it may do but GOTG it's not going to beat Transformers and the other Marvel films.

What does that have to do with anything?

~~Leo656~~ · 07-18-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

honestly i think the sporadic international releases could hurt tmnt more than GOTG or anymore...i still do not get that at all.....i get not releasing a movie all at once world wide, but not with month long gaps, that just confuses me

I don't get it either. What IF it sucks? What if the word of mouth is really, really bad? Will people who spent three months reading spoilers and hearing how "bad" it is still bother buying tickets? It's puzzling, to say the least. Either they have supreme confidence in everyone who ever watched the OT buying a ticket, or they completely don't care at all.

*IndigoErth* · 07-18-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

Really weird how people are 'taking sides'. Oh yeah, MY movie is gonna win!

That'll make my life important....?

Guardians adds Turtles reference...

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 07-18-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't get it either. What IF it sucks? What if the word of mouth is really, really bad? Will people who spent three months reading spoilers and hearing how "bad" it is still bother buying tickets? It's puzzling, to say the least. Either they have supreme confidence in everyone who ever watched the OT buying a ticket, or they completely don't care at all.

exactly..I personally feel the "what if's" are too great..and i don't mean to pick on TMNT but its currently the movie in that spot, i don't feel its a smart movie for any movie

well maybe Godzilla...i recently heard Japan is being huge think about Godzilla "Returning Home" but i don't think TMNT can do the same

*Shark_Blade* · 07-18-2014, 06:15 PM

I believe it will be a hit too.

Even if it doesn't (like Rise of the Guardians, How to Train Your Dragons 2 which flopped but very great movies regardless) I will still likely love it, I adore every single TMNT 2014 trailers released so far.

We are so lucky to have this movie in the franchise.

07-18-2014, 04:16 PM	#1
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I think this will be a surprise hit Sorry for starting another thread but all the other threads are full of bickering and bloated and really hard to follow, that's why I've avoided this section. For the most part the fandom seems to hate this version of the movie with the exception of a small fraction of new members. However opinion in general on the internet is rather mixed with a lot of people saying it looks great. Now with actual people I in real life most people seem pretty positive, I'm talking casual fans who are the ones who will get the movie to make money. GotG has been getting a lot of marketing and positive feedback online but it's an unproven franchise, just because it's Marvel doesn't mean anything, I think it's likely to be the flop of the summer while this movie being a surprise hit. The turtles are already in a lot of products in stores...what do you guys think? I'll even go as far as to say that the movie looks like it has potential to be awesome, like most dromers here who followed the movie before Laird sold the rights, we all wanted a closer to the comicbooks movie and we won't be getting that, we got something radically different but while some of the choices I question others I think are pretty wicked once you give them a chance and realize this is a new interpretation and not a "Mirage" movie. So yeah, I've gone from extremely hyped many years ago and only losing more and more interest over the years and with a lot of casting and early leaks my interest waned more but eventually saw it as a new take and while weary I think it can be amazing. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

07-18-2014, 04:24 PM	#3
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Just because it's turtles doesn't mean anything, TMNT 2007 wasn't that successful, and had plenty of toy sales, advertising and tie-ins and yet while not bombing it couldn't get a sequel funded and basically began what became the death of Imagi even if it was Astro Boy who really killed it. Too bad, they had plenty of potential and would've loved their Gatchaman movie, the leaked trailer looked amazing. TMNT 2007 being animation made most people not care about the movie though. Sad but true, you can have a more mature animated movie and a live action movie that is absolutely terrible and yet only the live action movie will get any attention/respect. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

07-18-2014, 04:55 PM	#7
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,805	I think it will be a surprise hit, over the last few months their been pedictions saying this movie is going to bomb and won't make much money but that was before we had the main trailer and tv spots had come out and now the marketing has exploded and we seeing a lot of promotion. Also a lot of fans who thought this was going to be terrible move are now changing there minds and want to go see it. This is the yearly 2014 DOMESTIC GROSSES chart for the US http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2014&p=.htm I think it will defently make lot of money at the box office maybe over 200 million mark (in US) and maybe over 500 million world wide but I doubt it will beat Captain America, X-Men, Transfomers 4 ect. I think the global gross will be slow at first because world release dates are too spread out and of course the worry over piracy. I expect the first test for this movie is when the crictics will review it. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments. Last edited by Vicky82; 07-18-2014 at 05:01 PM.

07-18-2014, 05:08 PM	#10
The Boston Ninja Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston MA Posts: 2,440	i think it depends what you mean by "hit"? do you mean its going to blow peoples minds away and be the box office smash of the summer that we will be talking about forever listed on largest movie sales or do you mean it will stand its place,proudly and strong and make money back i agree with everything Leo656 said, and thats what makes me think its the second my money is still on GOTG and a few other movies giving TMNT a fight for its life..i don't think TMNT will flop super hard, it will probably atleast make its budget back I Dont think it being Turtles alone will drive its sales but a good story that makes you forget all this controversy __________________ I didn't choose the ninja turtle life. The ninja turtle life chose me. https://www.facebook.com/TheBostonNinjaTurtle Last edited by The Boston Ninja Turtle; 07-18-2014 at 05:14 PM.

07-18-2014, 05:12 PM	#11
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Really weird how people are 'taking sides'. Oh yeah, MY movie is gonna win! That'll make my life important....? __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

07-18-2014, 04:50 PM	#6
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I agree with sdp. I'm always baffled by how seriously over-inflated the people here see TMNT's popularity. It's not that popular! I'm very wide-open with my TMNT interest. I deal with hundreds of people a week through my jobs. You know how many times I hear, "TMNT! I remember that!" from people who don't even know there was a second cartoon, let alone a third one that's on right now? People who have no idea there even IS a new movie? The popularity of this franchise is so, so, SO very niche anymore. It genuinely seems like the only ones who "really" care at all, are the people on this forum and a bunch of little kids. The other 95% of people don't know and don't care. Just because we're vocal about how much we care doesn't mean everyone else feels that way. It very well could be a hit, but it just as well could be a middling disappointment like the last four movies. If everyone who says they care about TMNT actually buys a ticket, well... that'll be a first. Even when the first movie came out, when TMNT was at its peak, it didn't do huge money. In the eyes of the general public, this is just another Hollywood rehash of a "dead" franchise, and generally speaking, those are a tough sell. Either way, we'll see. Enough people do care that it CAN easily be a hit, but it could just as easily be another Lone Ranger or Dark Shadows, two other remakes of popular but "dead" franchises that went on to make exactly zero money. I'd just rather see people hope for a hit and be pleasantly surprised, rather than expect one and then be all pissed if it's not. I've got no personal investment in its success; I just found out Sin City 2 comes out in August, so there goes my movie budget anyway.

07-18-2014, 05:18 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I don't even think GotG is "guaranteed" anything. It's a Marvel movie, sure, but until a month ago only 8 people even gave a sht. And even a lot of people I hear talk about it are more curious than genuinely interested. It's literally just Marvel's "Screw You, everything we put on screen makes a ton of money" movie. But that doesn't mean it will. It might.* But just like could potentially happen to TMNT, if enough people don't like it, the buzz will kill it on the vine. People are generally stupid, after all, and only think what they're told to think. If enough of the fence-sitters hear from their friends "It was okay, but not great", they won't go. I mean, Godzilla got really good reviews overall, but a lot of people were like, "Eh, I heard from my friend there's not enough Godzilla in it, I'm not gonna go" and stuff like that. Both movies are a gamble. The opening weekend buzz will completely tell how well either one will do in the long run. Anything less than "Best Thing Ever" word of mouth, and people will wait for the DVDs. That's pretty much where things are now with movies. They're too expensive; people only go when they know they're going to like everything - everything - about it before they even see it. Guilty as hell of that, by the way. I'm like, "I don't think movies are in the budget this summer," and then I see a Sin City 2 trailer, and I'm like "Yeeeaaah!"

07-18-2014, 05:24 PM	#13
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,805	I'm not worried about Gurdians of the Galaxy beating TMNT because TMNT is out in October over here. Ok some of you want GOTG to beat TMNT, well it may do but GOTG it's not going to beat Transformers and the other Marvel films. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

07-18-2014, 05:27 PM	#15
graphic_content Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,423	i think this movie has the potential to surprise people (in the good, 'i actually enjoyed that, but didnt expect to kinda' way) they are being very unconventional, and taking some risks in the form of: - drawing their main inspiration from the original 90s cartoon, rather than, the now popular NICK 3-D animated series - having a reported runtime of less than 100 mins, when there is a trend in Hollywood to make movies at least 2 hrs long - there is the undeniable trend to churn out superhero films that are dark - and this is upbeat, heavily laced in comedy - there is the trend to take superheroes and ground them in reality, and this film seems not to take itself so seriously, but just enjoy the ridiculousness of it all ...is it a formula for success? nope, but could it work? goodness, I hope so. __________________

07-18-2014, 06:15 PM	#20
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I believe it will be a hit too. Even if it doesn't (like Rise of the Guardians, How to Train Your Dragons 2 which flopped but very great movies regardless) I will still likely love it, I adore every single TMNT 2014 trailers released so far. We are so lucky to have this movie in the franchise.