"Fans unhappy with changes" in the new movie
 

In an interview with Megan Fox she talked about fans being "unhappy with changes" made the mythology.

I have a question regarding this:

Changes to the mythology have been made to every iteration of TMNT ever since the original comics. So what exactly were fans expecting from this? A 100% remake of the comics or 80s cartoon? Don't be absurd.

fans upset with changes sound like the nostalgic 80's cartoon and 90's movie turtle lovers who are stuck in a time warp. Just my Opinion

Well, I'd rather have Raphael be a bad-ass martial artist (ala Jason Statham or such) instead of an 'Incredible Hulk' guy who only does that...Super Turtle/Hulk stuff...and instead perhaps use his Martial arts (which he's done in Every Single Aspect in the past) and apparently was trained for over a decade in but doesn't really use (at least according to some folks who saw the film already and told me about it, and I trust their opinion, and others confirmed that).

So that's one change I wouldn't be happy with...Mikey being turned into 'he farts and that's funny' guy or 'getting his shell tightened' by seeing Megan Fox' would be another change I'd be unhappy with as well...

Plus, how many times do people have to say the same song & dance...some folks simply aren't fans of the new designs and they don't care about the 'it's more realistic' argument'. Their Opinions are not always going to be the same as your opinions.

If you, Megan Fox, and others like it? Cool. But if she (or anyone) thinks that every single person would be fine and dandy with it, then they are only fooling themselves.

I don't mind changes and I don't think "those fans" dislike change either. They dislike the show because instead of improving the story line by filling plot holes and adding more complex characterization they choose to change the plot just for the sake of change. Changes should only be done if it fixes the plot hole or improves the character. Change should never corrupt the original experience.

Or people who are sick of douchebags ******** all over characters they love because the property isn't good enough for them in the first place.

The douchebags I'm talking about are Michael Bay and Jonathan Liebesman.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to the library to rent a book about martial arts to become a ninja master.

Make sure that there will be no rat watching you because he might become a better ninja master than you.

That'd just be incredibly silly. Who could possibly think of such a dumb idea.

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Or maybe fans don't like the TYPE of changes made to the mythology?

A lot of people don't like the "every character is intertwined and their pasts are all connected" alterations. That's been a big gripe with the Spider-Man origin changes. Instead of random circumstances and an accident, there's an almost destiny aspect to it and a lot of people don't like that.

Even the IDW storyline keeps the completely accidental aspect, but from what I've glimpsed, the movie REALLY makes everything tightly connected between April, the turtles, Splinter, and how she relates to their past and origins.

I've even read some comments that seem to suggest there's no real indication of Hamato Yoshi/Oroku Saki history explored in the film. Dunno if that's true. I'll find out in 30 minutes. Well, starting in 30 minutes. :P

Can't deal with changes? Let it go, move on. :tcool:

Wouldn't that suggest nobody has the right to have an opinion on Coming Out of Their Shells, TMNT 3, or The Next Mutation as well? ;)

Of course people are gonna upset by the changes. They turned the Foot, a ninja clan, into a paramilitary, Shredder into basically a robo-ninja, just like what happen to Silver Samurai in The Wolverine, and for some reason decided to go ahead and radically redesign the Turtles and put all this unnecessary junk on them when the could have just simply retain the classic elements of their designs. Personally, the Turtles in the OOTS video game would be my ideal design for a live action ninja turtles movies.

And the alien/Shredder in the 2003 Cartoon.

It's not just 'it's different, and that's it'.

The Context of it, personal tastes, types of changes, and many more are part of the equation as well...

I guess all animals are dumb since they learn from watching. Especially apes, how dare they learn just from watching. Don't the apes know they need an education system and multiple teachers in order to teach them to hit one block all fancy like!

Sigh.

Spoilers for anybody who cares:

How about Hamato Yoshi either being a member of the Foot Ninja Clan with a pet rat, or actually being the pet rat of a member of the Foot Ninja Clan? :P

Literally either one of those would have been better.

Do you like not read or watch any science article at all? I am guessing no because the thought of imitating is absurd. Well guess what. Everything that exists today is absurd! Experts said radios would never exist. Experts said the atomic bomb would never go off. Experts said the internet would never exist.

Now todays experts are wise enough to not be so pessimistic because now they understand the three laws!

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible
3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Perhaps the lore of the turtle bros doesn't need a pessimistic mindset. Instead the lore requires a curious mind who is willing to make sense of the absurd.

Edit: Also do you not understand I am not being serious. I do not treat TMNT like politics, that is just silly.

What is happening.

I heard that the script was rewritten 4 times? Is this true? if so, no wonder the movie turned out to be a mess.

Real life ninja turtles.
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Ha, I like how some of the people here who don't like it are all level-headed and rational now...oh its just a matter of opinion, if you like it thats fine.

Couple months ago...Oh its so terrible how could anyone like this crap!?

Did they see the movie and end up kinda liking it? :lol: Backpedaling.

Ive been reading a lot on these boards that fans are upset by the fact that Raph isnt what they'd hope...

with all due respect, I gotta ask:

1) If the Shredder handed Splinter his a**, and has been seen manhandling all 4 Turtles simultaneously, why expect Raph to be able to handle him on his own?
2) Raph obviously has size going for him - fighters know, you use what you have to your advantage, and if Raph has size, what is wrong with him exploiting that in a fight? Even in Out of the Shadows, his attack patterns consisted mainly of BIG elbow, and BIG knee shots, nothing fancy, just heavy hits for maximum damage, not unlike a trained boxer/muay thai artist who is bigger in stature.

I just think we should be more open minded to absurd ideas.

Actually, I didn't see the film and am only commenting since some folks, after they saw it (who i trust their opinion very much) told me things that just aggravated me...and I believe mods have told people like us countless times to ease up on that kind of talk...

So, listening to the mods & easing up on that is the same as 'backpedaling'?


What's the point of being a NINJA turtle, and training at least over a decade in the Art of Ninjutsu, if you are just going to Punch or act like The Hulk instead of doing some badass Martial Arts (especially when Raph used Martial Arts in every single thing in the past, even cheap live action TV shows)...especially with all of that The Raid/Fist of Legend talk again & again...

Here's the thing though: Raph in OOTS wasn't as big or tall as he is in this movie. Compared to Shredder in the game, he was short, but not to much.

This thread is idiotic.

Obviously fans accept changes. Look at what 4kids, IDW and Nick did with the mythos, most of it was well-received and some concepts there are very different than the past.

When changes are bad, like the Next Mutation, people will complain. Same for this movie.

*sigh I'm tired of having to explain why I don't like the changes made to the mythology in this movie as opposed to those made in other versions after the comics.

I will however say two things; firstly that I tend to think people overstate how different each version is and secondly that there's a realm of good taste when changing something that is not hard to be aware of and this movie is way out.

One or two changes is fine but when you have so many ranging from the origin, to their motivation, to their primary villain, to the tone to overall look and style it's going to rub fans the wrong way.

Just a good movie?

That doesn't change stuff to cash in on Bayformers formula, doesn't dumb down characters and doesn't have excuse plot filled with holes? I dunno...All this sounds like a reasonable expectations to me. For a good movie, not only about bipedal talking Turtles, but for any movie. :oops:

im glad you responded bro, because I really wanted to hear your opinion:

- you and I both wanted RAID like fights...no secret there. but funny thing is, I watched the RAID just the other day, and one of the main cops was taller, and bigger than the main character, and his fights were just as brutal (and no less cool, just less flashy), but he used his size to his advantage.
- Ninjitsu is more than just a fighting style; and while Raph may use his size, he is still Ninja.

but at this point, its safe to say we all expected something different out of this film, I know that I wanted:



...but Im hopeful that can be worked in for a sequel...(it shouldnt have to be, but cant change that now)

A rat learning ninjutsu from its master IS an absurd idea.

But it's the one that came first and the one they should have used. Absolutely no reason at all to change it other than because they didn't think it was good enough for them.

And to apparently tie every single thing to Megan O'Fox.

Exactly.

What about Raph makes him a Ninja in this? Just because of the name of the movie, and he has sais...that's it. Every Single Thing I've heard is 'He punches, and does Hulk stuff, that's it'

If that's the case, then you'd have to start calling The Incredible Hulk a Ninja.

Ninjas are Martial Artists (which, from what people close to me told me and I trust their opinion, Raph doesn't do, thus not a Ninja). Sorry if I wanted my favorite character to be a Bad Ass.

And you said Brutal...this movie would never be brutal. You can't have 'brutal' with a PG-13. No, not even any of the Dark Knight flicks were 'brutal'. No sequels to this flick (and no Ninja Turtle films) will ever be brutal, in any way.

And this film was never going to have 'Raid-like fights'. Not here, in a sequel, or anytime...it was just Kevin Eastman and others saying that to get fans 'hyped' to pay their ticket to see it, and that's it...

All they did was see the success of The Avengers, and go 'remember when Tony Stark said "We have a Hulk!", you remember that, right?'

Well, Raph can be 'Our Hulk'. So turn him into that since The Avengers was a Gigantic Hit. That's pretty much it.

Heck if they'd actually found an origin that is even semi-plausible I'd have time for it but at best Splinter learning martial arts from a book is just as absurd as watching Yoshi and at worst way, way more.

Indeed. It's particularly bothersome to me that everything in this movie is connected in some way except the one thing that should be connected like Splinter and Shredder.

If there is a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to work him into the film in some bizarre way. They seem to listen to the fan's backlash quite a bit. Now only if they could replace the writers and the directors with someone who's has actual experience of writing and directing a good movie.

fans unhappy with changes. in other news, the sky is blue.

So many things that were so difficult to f*ck up, and yet, they did.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: yeah, this.

Sure, things have been altered now and then. At the same time though it doesn't mean she/they are in the right either just for taking an attitude and calling people out for not liking it. If they were to attempt absurd changes then what would they expect of fans.

I mean, I hate to say it, but if they went ahead with the aliens bit, obliterating an important part of the relateability with the characters and most people were unhappy with that... she/they would very likely probably still be defending their choice and talking down to fans for not liking it.


They only have the characters in their hands temporarily, I don't really have much mind to care to defend them or buddy up with them anytime they lash out at fans like my view, were it the same, was validated or something.

Wow.. Right out of the gate Tricks is super angry and hostile insulting people.
And to respond to the rest of your angry post.
MOVIE being the key word in there :D

On that same Megan Fox Interview, She mentions what she do with every Turtle. She said she would marry Leo, Forgot what she said about Mikey, She would have Donnie as her personal assistant, and have a One Night Stand with Rap. hahah

Totally agree with this. And for those that saw the film know that they are ninjas.
And the martial arts is far superior to anything that came before it imo. Esp. the fights with the Shredder. There are plenty of times when the turtles get their asses handed to them. But it was ultimately team work at the end. It's hard to go into it any further without spoiling it but. They are definitely ninja's/martial artist. The scenes with them as kids was amazing. The way the spar/ practice their moves was really impressive and fun to watch bc they were so small and quick. And I definitely think that they will go more in depth in a sequel judging by how open ended they left a few things. They did mention about the ooze " being from an alien planet" in a home video. I cant wait for the sequel now.