If Bishop appears in the nick show, how should he be featured?
 

So for any one who has seen the finally online last night, you may have have noticed a certain government affiliated group from the 2k3 series.



We will have to wait until the start of season three at the earliest or New York Comic Con before we have confirmation. But people are already taking a sign that a certain Antihero/villain that everyone loves to hate will make an appearance.

For people who are unfamiliar with Bishops Character. He was originally a US soldier who was abducted by Aliens during the war of 1812 and experimented on. After being returned to earth he vows to protect the earth from all alien threats. All experiments performed on him are largely unknown but his longevity may be a result. As head of the EPF he controls area 51 he captures and runs various experiments on numerous alien species. He also has a black and white view where humans are good and in some cases shades of neutral grey. And anything non-human is bad or should be exploited.


But the question is if he does in fact appear in the nick version. How should he be presented?

I feel that he is someone who is brought in as a double cross from the Shredder to the Kraang. The Shredder knows the rest of the Turtles and their friends are still out there, and as long as they live his vengeance was not complete. So he tells Bishop that the Kraang invasion was caused by a group of Mutant Turtles and they should be captured and dealt with.

The EPH find the Turtle mech and take that away to be studied. They also capture various mutants off screen and lock them away for study or interrogation.

When the Turtles encounter Bishop for the first time Mike refers to him as Anti-Donnie. Because he's smart like Donnie, but his actions are Amoral.

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

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Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

I don't see it. It's not that it can't work, I just don't have vision for it.

I'd like his apperence to be the same as 2k3.

I want him to be just as badass and to make up for the 2K3 version, have an actual fist fight with Oroku Saki!

I hope he's very similar to the 2k3 version. I've always loved Bishop because he's seemed like an antiDon to me too. It'd be awesome to see someone test Don's mental metal, and Bishop seems like he'd be perfect for that. Not sure if David Mansley will be able to voice him or not. I'd personally love to hear Lance Henriksen doing it if David couldn't. Henriksen can sound very sinister when he needs to. Always wanted to hear this guy in Turtles. Heck, he's already played a Bishop in the Alien franchise. I think he's got the chops for it.

Do people still want to go with the story that he was originally abducted by aliens and experimented on, explaining why he has super human strength and reflexes? Maybe he knows more about April's past and her mother?

I've seen people on here think Bishop wouldn't fit in with the 2012 show, but the way I see it, I think the creators are going to slowly let the show grow up, kind of like Harry Potter did. It would be perfect to have Bishop debut in the middle of season 3, and have him just as badass and dangerous as he was in the 2k3 show. I definitely see him as wanting to get his hands on Donnie once he finds out that Donnie can create an anti mutagen. Maybe Bishop could have a personal stake in this, perhaps he has a family that was transformed into a mutant, or went missing via alien abductions and he is just trying to find them, and will stop at nothing to do just that. (Maybe his daughter could be Irma and he got a message from her just before she got abducted by Kraang and she tells him to go find April and Casey, maybe he already got to Casey's house and that's why his dad and sister weren't there, they were already taken by the government for questioning):P

That can not be true becuase if was Bishop then he would had super powers and fight the kraang instead of try to escape from them. At the episode where the kraang attacked him in his home it was the turtles who saved him when he fell from the window he didnt do anything else than running away from the kraang. It can not be Bishop.

Kurtzman says he's been looking into the Kraang for a year, but he has at least ten years worth of information and things on the Kraang in his apartment. So it would make sense that he could be a kraang or an utrom but he doesn't follow the hive mind set that the Kraang do. And if possible he could fill the turtles in on what April's connection to the Kraang is and also the Kraang's interest in turning Earth into another Dimention X.


At this time the Turtles have only known evil aliens. But in the other incarnations the alien characters have either been good, chaotic good (Usagi OT and 2003), good but not very bright (I.E. the Polarazoids in the OT), Chaotic Neutral (Mr. Ogg, Traximus, Zog), Evil (Krang, Kraang), and Chaotic Evil (Dreg, Triceriton empire, Newtralizer)

So maybe season three the Turtles will encounter other races of Alien that are peaceful and good.

Bishop on the other hand doesn't see aliens as good or bad... he just sees things in a human and non-human view. He does make some effort at preventing the involvement of humans at large in defeat of an alien threat, but there are times where he will do actions that could leave a human or a small population dead and brutally injured. But he would just brush it off as unfortunate casualty, but as long as they achieved their goal it doesn't matter.

The big difference between Donnie and Bishop is Donnie does scientific research to further his own knowledge as well as to establish a means of defeating anything that is a threat to his family and humanity in general.

He is also one of the sort who would idealistically dream of the world being able to accept mutants as people.

Bishop on the other hand uses scientific research as a form of torture. Mutants are seen as lesser beings that no one would miss. So maybe mutant round up, or putting Mutants in a concentration camp at best.

Doing invasive studies on mutants until they die at worst.
He is the sort who wants the world to be entirely free of non-humans and aliens.


His fight and efforts against the Shredder were okay in the 2k3 because Shredder was an Alien in that that version. But that won't work in the Nick Show unless they some how reveal to Bishop that Shredder was the only who was behind the Kraang invasion.

But even then Bishop would be more interested in hunting down the Kraang then a human with a grudge. It would only make sense if the Shredder convinced Bishop that the Turtle's were behind it just so he can have the pleasure of watching Splinter's Son's getting hunted down like the animals they are.

Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

A big yes on that!

Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3, but I don't mind seeing some recognition for TMNT 2K3 and Bishop is perfect.

It would be nice to have more antagonists on the show and a intelligent one at that.

Me, neither. If he HAS to be in this show, I hope he's completely different.

Or Capture Karai to lure Shredder, Splinter, and the Turtles into his clutches.

Well what kind of interpretation of him do you want to see?

Haven't watched the latest eps so I'm gonna assume the Kraang are still around in some form?

Anyway I would like to see him as something that comes in because of the Kraang activity, doesn't really care about Shredder much but will of course use resources against him if the Foot is in his way. Probably wanting to capture the TMNT as usual, if only for info on the Kraang if nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if he also wants to get April, or maybe a plot thing will be preventing him from learning about April?

Anyway as long as he gets good episodes like in 2k3 I'm all for this, been wanting him to break the "one version" barrier.

I hope if he appears its done well.

.....I feel like they are gonna do this....Nick LOVES changing new characters into old characters after all.

I have feeling he won't appear. It's just a one shot reference much like Ace duck.

I don't know, they did bother to model the soldiers and I don't think they're just going to go away now that the mutation thing needs to be taken care of somehow.

And Ace Duck is pretty much a joke character in any incarnation. As an action figure he finds the Turtle Blimp and essentially rents it out to the Turtles.

He's just a TV show character in the OT.

He narcissist in the Archie Comics,

And Shredder was not impressed by the concept of him in the 2012. Not to mention all the posts debating how useful a Duck would be as a fighter in the "Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman thread."

Bishop on the other hand we know has some substance. So it would be interesting to have a villain with a black and white view of the world and the creatures living in it.

It would be great to have Bishop in this series. It does need more human villains and ones on par with Shredder.

Certainly Shredder having connections with Kraang would put the two of them at odds but there's equal ways the two could be loosely aligned as well.

It was a nice nod to have the Earth Protection Force but I do hope there's more to it. Remember in season 1 when they mentioned Baxter being fired from TCRI and at that point it didn't look like TCRI would properly feature? It would be cool if it was something they planned ahead with.

If they do season four would be focused on that, season three we have a new threat here. Than again, we should focus on the final defeat of Shredder, unless we get another season added. I want Shredder's defeat to be specially handled well in this series, no added in villains thank you :P

Like a boss.
But honestly I wouldn't want him in this series.

If he shows up, he's gonna have to be whacky and incompetent. Because the Kraang are whacky and incompetent.

2k3 Bishop would have nailed the Kraang to the wall decades ago.

I don't think so, look at how serious Shredder is and he works with the Kraang.

Bishop being serious is part of his character, I just hope they don't go too wacky with his character design. Considering he's just a man in a suit, I'm not sure what they can do.

I hope he appears, he is easily the best TMNT character created since Karai. If he doesn't it'd be a shame and if he never appears in another incarnation it'd be a huge waste as big as Armaggon.

I also like Hun and hope he is used in other Ninja Turtles media but I don't mind if he doesn't since Shredder in this version already has so many cronies.

Hun and Bishop were the two most important 4kids villains that broke new ground in TMNT lore.

I'll be surprised if Hun never appears, I think he will be Casey's father in this show.

Yeah, it seemed too convenient that Casey's family is missing, so yeah it is possible to assume that they were casualties like April's father had been. But they very well could have been that majority of the humans who were not mutated were evacuated out of the city by the EPF. If they hadn't hopped in the car and evacuated on their own.

It seemed to me like Casey's family was like some of those characters that are mentioned but never seen for budget reasons. From what I understand, making a new character would cost too much if they're minor. This is why it's mentioned that April lives with her aunt when her dad is out of the picture, yet we have never seen her even once in the 52 episodes that have aired, not even when they had to escape the city.

Maybe Hun will or will not be Casey's father but I will say this, if he does appear he will play a major role regardless of who or what he turns out to be.

On a side note, I think that the consequences of these budget constraints are part of what makes me a little disappointed with this this show. Because they have to showcase toy-centric characters like Spider-Bytez, Snakeweed, Spyroach etc, they can't make use of rather necessary characters like April's aunt.
Oh the aunt may not seem important but think about it, what do think would further the story and the characters more?

An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by wasps, or an episode where April talks with her aunt about missing her dad?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by pizzas, or an episode where Casey has to confront his dad about the crime fighting?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by a ghost, or an episode all about Splinter's human life?

I agree very much with you on the sad consequences of the budget constraints....but woah, written out its almost funny how often we got the same stupid story element of being mind controlled by something or someone in this still very young show!..hahah, good observation!

I think he should be featured as a bear mutant. It's the only thing that makes sense. Oh yea... after looking at victory angel's avatar for more than 10 mintues or maybe 30, I now suggest that it be a unicorn bear.

This is a joke, right?

I'm wondering, if there is a Bishop, will he discover the Turtle's lair while hunting down the last remnants of the Kraang.

That would be cool. He'd probably find Splinter as well.

Maybe find all the mutants in the city such as Spiderbites, Snakeweed, Slash, Rockwell, and such and has them all locked up in a containment facility.

I'm hoping he finds Timothy, and in his twisted mind, he might think the Turtles are the ones doing the experiments on humans. Nothing more dangerous than a villain of the protaganists that has a real good reason to be like they are. That way, he's not so black and white, just isn't seeing the whole picture.

Bull.

Shredder works with them, but Bishop's life mission is to eradicate all aliens on Earth. So if they have been around forever... he basically sucks. Unless he literally just got hired or something.

Same way he was featured in the 4kids series, except he should immediately turn the Earth Protection Force into the Pan Galactic Alliance.