Disney's Alice Through the Looking Glass (2016)
 

I've brought up this film in a few threads, so I might as well create a topic about it here. On May 27, 2016, Disney will be releasing a sequel to their 2010 blockbuster, Alice in Wonderland. The film, Alice Through the Looking Glass, which will be based on Lewis Caroll's second story, Through The Looking Glass. The majority of actors who played the live-action roles in the previous film will return including Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter, Mia Wasikowska as Alice, Helena Bonham Carter as the Red Queen, and Anne Hathaway as the White Queen. The actors who did the voices for the CGI characters are expected to come back as well. Sacha Baron Cohen has also joined the film as Father Time and Rhys Ifans will be playing the Mad Hatter's Father.

D23 also debuted these posters today.

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http://www.insidethemagic.net/2015/0...isney-studios/

I despise Lewis Carroll and this particular incarnation of the story, but those are pretty slick posters. Very artistic, I approve. :tsmile:

Not like Lewis Carroll? Why? I mean, opium habit aside....

I used to love Wonderland and Neverland stories but Christ, am I sick of them.

Hmm, wouldn't it be interesting if they were both part of the same "world"- but just different parts of it? Ah, my inner writer is popping in to say hi again, it seems.

I read a comic called Lullaby a while back that had that basic concept. It was really cool, but it got canned.

Like I said, I used to love these stories but there have been so many movies, books, comics, plays, shows, etc... I just want them to move on.

Pedophilic undertones plus I'm convinced Carroll is the man who discovered LSD.

And finally, I loathe a man who fills an entire book with no plot, no characterization, and no sense. There is no logical plot progression or anything, just a bunch of random $hit going on.

I think we can blame that on the opium. And no, he wasn't the one to discover LSD- though he might have eaten an ergot-infected loaf of rye bread once or twice. It is the main "ingredient" in LSD. Caused a lot of the hallucinations in Salem, so maybe that's his reason?

Never noticed any pedophilic undertones in his work, myself, though. Might as well hate John Dunne, too. Some of his poems are pretty nonsensical, too.

:tlol: I haven't been able to reread his stuff long before I was hearing people label it as having "pedo undertones", and I'll fully admit I'll be quite hostile in describing his stuff (mainly because it drives my sister up the wall).

But an author who writes nothing but pointless literary anarchy without real structure or purpose... that's not something I forget or forgive. There are only three books I've ever written that were an absolute waste of time and paper, and Carroll wrote two of them. (Yes, somehow I had managed to convince myself that Through the Looking Glass would be different.)

It's about time they got started on this one. I loved the first one, can't wait to see it.

I dunno, I've never had a problem with em. I guess it's because I get stream of conciousness writing, which is essentially what they were. Sort of like "A rose is a rose is a rose..." type stuff. Studied the style in high school, and found it interesting, if not always easy to grasp. Carroll was just a bit ahead of his time, I guess.

I think there's a difference between stream-of-consciousness and what Carroll wrote.

To contrast, look at Douglas' Adams' style of writing: the plot and characters messily go all over the place, sometimes nowhere, sometimes somewhere... but there's always something at the end of the road.

For me, Carroll's works are the equivalent of driving through a strange city, wanting to go somewhere but not knowing how to get there or even where you're going. You drive and drive past bizarre sights and landmarks, and at the end of the journey, you've emerged on the other side of the city with nothing to show for your effort and time.

That's how I feel about him, anyway; and since none of you are my sister whom I love to tease, I'll try not to piss on anyone's cookies while I'm here. :tlol:

it's sad I'm more looking forward to Zombie Wonderland than this movie

When I was a little kid I would watch scenes from the 1951 Walt Disney film on Disney Sing-Along Songs videos. However, I did not see the whole film until I was in fourth grade. After watching all of it I was not crazy about the movie, but over the years it has become my favorite adaptation of this story. I know the 2010 film got mixed reviews but I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a completely different take on the story and it was also a visual treat.

Today, Johnny Depp was also named a Disney Legend for his contributions to the company such as being a part of this film franchise, the Pirates of the Caribbean film series, and Into the Woods.

http://variety.com/2015/scene/news/j...es-1201569849/

Mmm, actually I was thinking more along the lines of Gertrude Stein, and other purveyors of nonsensical literature, ie-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_nonsense

The nursery rhyme Hey, Diddle Diddle is a prime example, and many limericks are as well. It's literary nonsense drivel, but that's the point. It's not really supposed to make sense, because it throws the conventional rules of language and literature, and throws them out the window. There have been many other writers who used the same ideas in their writing, and Carroll was simply one of them- though certainly it's been around much longer.

As for Carroll's personal tendencies, I will leave these, which may or may not clear up the question of reputation....

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-c...p=&amp=&page=1

http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/...eamchild5.html

http://www.wakeling.demon.co.uk/page...wiscarroll.htm

I do love those posters.

Here is some of the stuff that was teased at D23 Expo.

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http://www.mouseinfo.com/new/2015/08...ed-at-d23expo/

I wonder if any of those outfits will be for Alice herself or just various characters.

I've always said some things work better in animation than live action, and I'm pretty sure Alice stuff is a pretty good example. I like the old Disney animated one fine but I've never seen a live-action interpretation of it that I really liked. I really don't care much for the Depp one at all. Not surprised they're doing another one, though, the first one made money. And it's a good excuse to use bad, excessive CGI everywhere like they love to do nowadays, so of course.

Meh. Pass.

Here is a brief interview that Mia Wasikowska did at D23.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/new...glass#/slide/1

First footage has been released.



http://comicbook.com/2015/08/11/alic...iler-released/

Ahem.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...07.1873%29.jpg

I wish it was more then 10 seconds but still interesting none the less.

You kind of did, and your drastically misreading the narrative. It's not pedophilic, but it does addresse adolescence, and the emotions tied up with entering that phase of life.

Then here, let me piss on your cookies;

The Prestige
Inception
Dark Knight Rises
MOS
Interstellar

All pointless, baseless, narratives, in love with how smart they think they are.

Awful strange how you dump on Carroll, but defend Nolan. The guy is guilty of essentially the same thing, but with more "smug".

Teaser #2 is here.

http://comicbook.com/2015/11/02/alic...er-2-released/

You're trying to chase me off like Leo but it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

No pseudopedo or LSD in any of Nolan's stuff. And I will not continue discussing unrelated movies on this thread.

Inside the Magic believes that the film's box office performance could decline due to James Bobin taking over as director and facing competition from X-Men: Apocalypse, Angry Birds, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2015/1...easer-trailer/

First off, I was referring to his writing, not any artwork that may be used in any edition of the books. Secondly, any pedophilic rep he may have gained is in retrospect regarding his photography work, NOT his writing. Also, photographing children "au naturel" was a common theme at the time, and was considered an artform akin to paintings of naked cherub babies. Apparently, his attachment to the children of a friend has retroactively labeled him as a pedo, though whether it was true or not has long been up for debate. And the real-life "Alice" was 14 at the time the first book was written, which would have been considered old enough to marry in many places.

Only pointing out the hypocrisy. Lot's of folks bang on about how this or that has short comings, when the thing they praise is just the same. I find it amusing to be honest, because it lays bare the societal bias. You don't like Nolan so much as you've been told to like him - He helps to define your personal brand as an individual - and that's totally cool, but he's a hopelessly feeble storyteller, guilty of the exactly the same crimes as Carroll.

But I'm telling tales out of school again.

Personally, I think you're mis-interpreting the subject matter, but that's me.
It's a classic for a reason. It's difficult subject matter for sure, but pedo it sure isn't.

That said, I think Burton missed the mark, and yeah, I've yet to see a live action version that does what it should with the story. Too bad really.
But I'm biased against Burton, so maybe it's better than I'm giving it credit for.

I take that back, I'm really not biased against burton - I'm just sick of his over use of stripes, gothic everything, Helena Bonham Carter, and Johnny Derp.

^Bingo^

The story at it's root is more about the expectations of a young girl who comes of age, and her flat out rejection of those realities. I think most of us can relate to not wanting to grow up.

The time has come to return to Wonderland. The trailer is here.



http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/tra...-here#/slide/1

Doesn't appeal to me.

I'm surprised the Civil War trailer isn't out yet but I'm guessing it's coming out with Star Wars.

reminds me i need to work on my "Wonderland vs Oz" book

It's really hard to know who they're making this for. I know the last one made over a billion, but I'd be surprised if this one does half that.

Not my cup of tea, at all.

Here are the character images.

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Comingsoon.net listed it as one of the big films to look forward too in 2016. They released this description and screenshot.

http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/asset...-trailer-1.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fea...26919#/slide/9

A brand new TV spot debuted.

http://comicbook.com/2016/02/01/alic...pot-released-/

Entertainment Weekly listed the film as one of the twenty most anticipated book-to-movie adaptations this year.

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/file...king-glass.jpg

http://www.ew.com/gallery/2016-most-...-lewis-carroll

There's 20 of those this year? Wow. :lol:

Article was being a piece of sh*t so I didn't get to see what the other ones are.

Mia Wasikowska (Alice) talked about the differences between this film and its predecessor in an interview last summer. Some of the changes include less CGI and more sets than the last film.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fea...ovary#/slide/1

If you click the left arrow on the picture, you can see the other films. That slide was the last one.

I do like the look of the film though I wish the villain of the story was a evil Alice, or at least you think is evil. Maybe she would have to except both her light and dark selves to become a whole person.