Michael Keaton reveals why he turned down returning in Batman Forever, "It sucked"
 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01/...ever-it-sucked

I think he made the right decision.

"Forever" was a million times better than "Returns".

There was nothing wrong with Batman Forever IMO.

I agree. Returns is the better movie, I guess, but Forever is more entertaining.

This is not Two-face:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EHMBQLttYZE/hqdefault.jpg

This was them trying to do a low-rent version of Jack Nicholson's Joker. I don't think the people making this movie had any idea who "Two-face" even was.

I prefer the batman burton movies to the sumacher ones. Tommy Lee Jones was a horrible Two-Face and Jim Carrey was just Jim Carrey dressed as the riddler. Also Kilmer's batman was a wuss

You do realize they were going for campy in the last 2 Batman flicks right?

Hell no. It's not even close.

The problem with Batman Forever is how they cast Two-Face, Harvey Dent was played by Billy Dee Williams in the 1st Batman movie, He should've been Two-Face.
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Harvey_..._Dee_Williams)

https://images.moviepilot.com/images...9-s-batman.jpg

And this is why I'm a Christopher Nolan fan.

No Penguin sewer monster, or cat mouth-to-mouth, or Bat nipples, or ice puns.

What about Bat credit card

This old news. Keaton did not return because Burton was replaced due to the demand of a lighter film. Of all the Batman films the only one I out right dislike is Batman Returns. Why? It was trying to hard to be dark it fell on its face and was surreal and forced. Of all the Batman films my favorite one is Batman Forever. I admit it has its flaws such as the neon color, Riddler's stupid costume and red haired wig, and not digging deep enough in the psychology with Two Face or Bruce stating "I killed them". Dick Grayson and Riddler being present and a somehat serious/somewhat fun tone made it a film I could really enjoy. There is something wrong with all of the Batman films,but the one that caters to my interest the most is Batman Forever and Batman Returns the least.

Also, in regards to Two Face, Aaron Eckhart may have been a solid Harvey Dent,but you have to admit Two Face got ten minutes and didn't feel much like Two Face. Also, both films let out Glida Dent who is a part of Two Face's story.

I'm not a huge fan of the Nolan films like most people are. I thought Bane was terrible. I thought Two-Face was also terribly used. I hated the Tumbler as opposed to an actual Batmobile. I also wasn't gaga over Ledger as the Joker. Mark Hamill still perfectly owns the character to me. The one thing I do like about the Nolan films is I feel that Bale made the best "Batman". However, I think Burton has the major edge on his version of Gotham. I know that's right in his wheelhouse though. I think Nolan's Gotham looks much too "industrialized" whereas Burton's actually looked "gothic". Danny Elfman is also incomparable from a musical standpoint but I still hate that Prince sequence in the first Burton one. Totally out of place to me and I felt that Jack's Joker was more of a "Joke" than "Joker". Much more Romero than Hamill. I love Hamill. Just my two cents.

We need a serious reboot of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

Dammit, we NEED a decent Robin, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mister Freeze, and Batgirl in the cinematic Bat universe!

Wait for Lego Batman to come out :lol:

Will Dick Grayson as Robin and Barbara Gordon as Batgirl see a return to cinema? I want it deadly,but I have realistic doubts it will happen. The closest we might ever get is Lego Batman 2.:( Mr. Freeze does get justice in film in the form of Subzero. I love that film so much both Victor Fries and Dick Grayson get prominent roles and are presented wonderfully. Barbara however is in a two second throwaway scene as Batgirl fighting a mugger. Poison Ivy might see a second shot in film in a Gotham Sirens film. Riddler I do believe will be seen in this new movie verse as DC Comics has pushed for him in both The Dark Knight Rises and a cameo in Dawn of Justice. Just how big a role? Will he be the Charlie of Charlie's Angels type character in a Gotham Sirens film? Its possible.

Danny Devito's hands alone are enough reason for me to not like Returns. I think it was Rotten Tomatoes the other day that done a story on why Returns deserves the cult devotion it still maintains. I don't think it deserves all the love it gets but who am I to judge? I still love the first TMNT movie and my buddy told me just today that he recently rewatched it and found it totally cringeworthy and that he didn't think it held up at all. I thought it struck a great tone and I still do.

I like/dislike all 4 90s Batman live action films for different reasons they all have tons of things i don't agree is Batman and all 4 are entertaining and have neat stuff in their own right.

Speaking of Batman Forever I just read Sam Raimi lobbied to direct the movie once Tim Burton left but they went with Shumacher instead. I would have loved to seen a Sam Raimi batman movie.

Bale was a ****** Batman. Worst part of the Nolan franchise

Actually I meant to say he made the best "Bruce Wayne". My bad about that. I agree that the whole ridiculous voice thing was terrible.

I think it would have gave us a little of everything the way his Spider-Man films did. Not too dark, not too light, just right. There would not be a backlash on the film as it is today. I wonder how Schumaker got it over others. The Raimi statement is making me go fanboy in "what ifs". No neon, no Bat nipples, maybe no Batman Begins.

I've always liked Forever (and B&R to an extent) better than the Burton movies.

The Burton movies just didn't add up to me. Especially Returns. I still kinda don't get it. Penguin wants to take over the city out of spite? Catwoman is just there to cause mischief? I don't know...there's just no storyline really.

I think the characters were portrayed really good though.

Catwoman was out to kill Max Shrek. She did rob some of his stores and whatnot.

Penguin wanted to use Shrek to get all names of the firstborns to kill them all.

The thing is Max suddenly making Penguin run for mayor derailed his plans for a bit. Catwoman's sudden decision to play super villain team up also derailed her plans.

Penguin becoming Mayor of a City when he came from the sewers might seem odd, but we live in a reality where Donald Trump became president. So you can't question the logic of ordinary voters even in a comic book movie. (Yes, even as a kid I thought that made no sense)

I actually went to go read the Wikipedia description. Penguin wanting to kill all first borns does not make sense to me. It's been awhile since I've seen the movie but it's just an oddly specific plan for no reason. Unless I'm forgetting something or it's not clear enough.

Besides the story there's a few things between both Burton movies I didn't like or just thought were dumb. The Batwing being shot down, Batmobile being easily hacked, bulletproof bat suit gets ripped by Catwoman.

Oswald was the first born son of a pair of rich socialites who cast him aside because of his freakish behavior. Since they were did he struck back at all of the kids who were accepted. The first born kids of all the kids who were accepted.

From what I heard, Carrey was channeling Frank Gorshin's Riddler from the old 60's show. It was over-the-top and campy, which clashed with the darker tones of the film.

In the end, Forever didn't know what kind of movie it was supposed to be. The villains were camp. The heroes were brooding and dramatic. When they cross, they have a hard time deciding which they should be. Was Two-Face a ruthless killer? Or was he some goofball who steals entire bank vaults? They really needed to pick one and just go with it.

The problem was Two Face was Joker light, while we know Tommy Lee Jones could have done a much better job of he had better direction... and Jim Carrey was Jim Carrey.

Batman Returns is the best Batman film tbh. Followed by The Dark Knight.

batman returns was down right disgusting. penguin eating fish...WHY?


despite the stupid neon, i liked forever far better.

I even liked bits and pieces of batman and robin.

Penguins eat Fish and Danny Devito loves Sushi so he had no problem doing those scenes. Since Burton's version of Penguin was a Sewer bird monster it made sense.

I wish Sharkie would stop trolling.


Lol, ok.

Penguin eating fish. Okay. Catwoman eating birds such as this however...
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/06/returnse.jpg

There is also a mention just before that of her having sex with an ally cat.:teek: Over the top gross?!

Wait, what? I sure as hell don't remember that. Methinks you remember falsely.

Its in the scene right after she redid her apartment following her transformation. She alludes to it then. As corny as Batman & Robin was Batman Returns was trying to hard in the other direction.

Edit: Another thing I could not figure out was why The Penguin had clown stooges instead of The Joker. I get that Joker was half Joe Chill,but come on!

Huh. I suppose I could rewatch to find out, but that's not gonna happen. :tlol:

Same here. Twice in a lifetime is enough. As craazy as Gotham is its better. At least Pfifer isn't the imposter Catwoman from that 2004 film. Also, Batman & Robin has Robin and Mr. Freeze and despite the cold cheese is watchable if you look at it through popcorn flick glasses. It was fixable too. Save Barbara and Bane for another film, rework the dialog and it would be much better. Returns is too hard to fix.

Excluding the WB! season Batman:TAS is better than any of the 8 Batman films.