Next Mutation: was it really all bad?
 

granted, i haven't seen all the episodes, andd remeber next to nothing about this show, i'm sure it had a few good points. I just downloaded a few clips from the ninjaturlesnetwork, and there are obvious flaws, there is some cool parts.

I paticuler, i love the scen w/ splinter and the blind man playing ches, there's something about it, that is just magical,

i want this thread to discuss the good from this show, instead of it's obvious short=comings

yeah i enjoyed the new villan of dragon lord and the vehicles were cool as well, i also enjoyed that it took place when the turtles were like seventeen or eighteen.

I watched about 5 minutes of one episode when it aired and I thought it was the most horrid thing ever. Since then, I dare not watch it even though I've seen all episodes on sale a few times. Don't ask me where because the places I saw them they sold almost immediately.

the good thing according to my opinion:

-they were very funny, specially mike

-they met with the power rangers

-when they met with the power rangers it was even funnier(and sillier)

Bad Things:

-they met with the power rangers

-it was repetitive

-dragon lord was the typical power ranger villian stereotipe (lord zedd ring any bell :roll: )

Ditto. I'm pretty sure that's why it went off the air so quickly.

I watched some of the episodes but then I got tired of it.....this was when I was in high school

Next mutation? This show makes me...makes me...

*throws up spraying everyone*

the throw up makes me........

THROW UP as well!!!.....the contagious puke! that makes u puke (like in snl remember?) :evilgrin:

Same with me, SF!

I only saw a few eps... it didn't seem too auful.. a little to 'zany' though, like it's only purpose was to make then 10 and under audience laugh. And of course... Venus :shudder: Other than that I really liked that they attempted to revive the turtles, I mean without TNM the new show probably wouldn't be so good, or mabey not even be. Also, from what I saw the costumes were pretty neato.. original, and stuff. In fact, if it were on again, I'd atempt to watch it.

actually about the suits, the designs were good but just that, whenever they bumped into each other when fighting and stuff u could see how soft the shell actually were, it looked like foam to me, there were some other details about the suits that made 'em look unreal :dead:

I have 25 of the 26 eps on tape (the sole exception is the venus Clip show since it had no new material unlike the Raph/Leo clip show, with Raph addressing the foot with leo).

I make it no secret that I love Next Mutation, yes it was by no means great, but you have to remember it was a saban property and Live action, there fore what they could do was limited.
What really makes it one of the best seriers for me was the creativity that went in to it. They just had some of the most inovative ideas in TMNT in that series
To this day I'm aginst Venus bashing, was wasn't bad, just porrly handled because it was live action. For those people who only saw the first few eps and piont to her 'limited intelligince' THATS CRAP. Venus was very smart, she just didn't know anything about America. Yes she could handel her magic very well, but she never finished her trains so its understandable. As the show progressed you saw Venus did understand a lot, and her magic did improve, she even played Laser Tag with Raph. Venus was justa new idea, most people hated it, I think she was a blessing and revitalised the saga.
Villians
They had some of the best Villians in this show. Well the villians had some of the best motivation in the series
Dragons- Thwy wanted to eat the turtles, I can't recall any other TMNT relity where the villians main reasoning was they wanted a snack! And it does raise an interesting question, wuold the dragon mutate if they ate the turtles.
Silver- OK He sucked
Doc. Quease- A bit over the top but he was fun, it was nice to see don play around with him, admire him and hate him at the same time.
Vampires- OK vam sucked, but the other 2 were great. I loved having 2 300 year old vampire-mystic-ultra butt kickers stuck in the bodies of 8 year olds. Its really a shame they didn't get more eps.
SIMON BONESTEEL- I love this man so much. Not just cause its Scott Macneil, its because he was really diffrent. He was in on real way evil. Yes he hunted endangered speacies, but not cause they were evel, cause they were hard to hunt. That was his sole motivation, he wants a challenge, no great back story just a challenge. And the guy did do some good, he use to hunt Vampires so he was pretty cool

Honestly I don't think most people would have bashed the show if it were animated, the live action was what really hurt it

What I really hated is the second wave of toys never made it down here. cause I really wanted to own the camo leo and bike, but it never ahppened. But I did manage the Rapha nd his bike, which stands as the coolest bike in my collection

Theres a lot more I could say, or could have said better, if you really want my view use the search function, I have laid down the opionion on this show many times.

Well you love the show and I can respect that.

as for me....

*chugs breakfast on the dead memory of Fox Kids ans Saban*

Dang, and to think Saban almost got their claws into Sailor Moon


*shudder*

The Sailor Moon dub still sucks.

I have mixed feelings towards next mutation.

some of the costume aspects were great. I like how they aged the guys past 15. even though they didn't always act like it.
I could have done without the loony tunes sound effects though. but the humor in general was ok.
the fight scenes weren't bad, though I havent seen the whole series.

as far as venus goes. I have to agree with the creators of the TMNT.... she needed to not be.
Don't hate her. just didn't think she needed to exist in the first place

all in all.. it wasnt horrible.. but I have seen better


Blaze DTGG

why did they make venus in first place? i mean what was their excuse

Fox said the show wouldn't air if there wasn't a girl turtle.

so that it would be gender friendly?

Yep, it was another Power Rangers disguised as TMNT, so natrually there had to be a girl hero.

which is really obnoxious because having a female turtle REALLY takes away from the whole "we are the only ones" angst thing.. which is part of what makes TMNT work.

Blaze DTGG

Um, TNM ... when I first saw this, my first thought was: Oh My God! What the hell have they dun to the costumes!? The shell's were soft, they didn't even bother keeping the stretchy material on the underarm from view, and their plastrons - pft - luks like they tried to carv them themselves. I first rejected Venu tho coz I hate it when the spotlight is drawn to someone else other that the main characters: the TMNT. But, she IS smart in her own shinobi way, even tho I wince at her voice sometimes.

I do think it's gud that they tried to bring TMNT back with a live show, and even add a new character, but there were so many things that were crap or wrong. Did any one notice Leo luked about a head shorter than Mikey?

But Bonesteel made me laugh. A hunter? Luking for the turtles? I think that was something gud to add to the show even tho he was a bit ... wappy. Silver - crap, his mouth hardly moved when he spoke. The dragon Lord and the dragons - Main vilian really, not bad, not great.

The one thing I HATED all the way thru was that Raph luked stoned throughout the show, and Leo was shorter than the rest. I think their personalities aren't quite right either, but I admit they had some gud bits in. I neither like it nor hate it, but I wud watch it if it were ever on TV. Bare in mind I'm sure this was aimed for younger years (I hope), so Venus cud be excused in that part *makes face*... well, maybe...

Yep. But considering what else is wrong about it, Venus isn't on the top.

the suits are, not necesarily the design, the costumes

Overall, I didn't think it was that bad, optimistically. Hey, it appealed to me because I was 9 years old. It made me remember even further back to the old toon and I was like "yeah, I remember that". I feel Venus took over the role of Leo too much though, and it was a little too goofy at certain times. :goofygri:

I'm not going to say this was the best TMNT, not by far, but I still liked it. Yeah, I know it was cheap and corny, but it had so much potential! If this idea had been given to any other company to make, I think it could have been really good. Seriously good.

like the company that made ultraman :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :lol:, no seriously wb is doing a good job with birds of pray and small ville, they propably would have made something good out of tnm

right. I liked some of the designs for the bandanas and such.. certain aspects of the costumes were ok.. others. yeah. it made them look more fake than the third movie...

Blaze DTGG

You would be incorrect if that is what you think.

The ratings were solid and they cancelled it anyway. It has more to do with the politics of TV and licencing than the opinions of a few fans outside of the target audience.

Sayonara.

This here's a TMNT forum, buddy...this should go in GD :lol:

(for anyone who doesn't get it, I honest-to-God don't regard TNM as part of the TMNT universe) :P

Good Parts:
--Costume design
--Dragon Lord ROCKED
--Still Better than Seasons 9 and 10 of Old show!!!!!

Bad Parts:
--Venus
--LIKE EVERY-FREAKING-THING ELSE!!!!!!


I mean, let's face it. This show was the worst kind of patheticrap!!!! The only reason I watched it was that I liked Dragon Lord and it was still better than seasons 9 & 10 o0f old-show!!

BTW It wasn't cancelled.....

IT WAS EUTHANIZED!!!!!

Seriously, Fox felt sorry for it and put it out of it's (and our) misery!!! I was glad to see it go, even though I was a little worried about the future of TMNT. Luckily, between Vol. 4 and the new-show, I had nothing to fear!!!

The Next Mutation (or Mutilation, as my brother loved to say) just left me confused. I dug the live action aspect, and even the costumes to a certain degree. But the voices, the plots and the thick smear of afterschool cheese was more than enough reason to click off the remote. I think the Hummer sent me over the edge.

Some reason I never get to see this show much. I only remenber an episode with one of the turtles saving a non-mutated turtle.

I watched a download that only had 10 minutes of the first part.

I could buy a used video of the show when I get a chance.

Although the sequence for this show is confusing The Turtles have the letters on their belts like the original. It's simalar to the movies only Shredder is still a live.

I'm not sure who's the one who wrote the idea of a TMNT show that's not the same. Not sure if I'll ever see this show if there's a chance.

Atleast we're happy with the new show today.

Don't bother...a copy of a Next Mutation VHS makes a single sheet of Charmin worth more than Bill Gates' life savings.

Two Words:
Venus...DeMilo.
All I want to know is WHO'S BRIGHT IDEA WAS IT TO GIVE VENUS POWERS?!??!? :x

I hated the costumes more than anything and the ugly new bandana designs as well

Ugh, tha bandannas! They were so.... ugh! I mean, At first it luked like Raph's was the only one that hadn't been changed - but then it luked as though it had been ripped ... ripped? Yeah right, the material was so thin it so dint luk right. It was pretty infuriating to see Venus got the normal bandanna. Mikey's luked like an orange bandage as well as Donny's. *shakes head* Friggin female turtle gets the best things

I only saw the first couple of episodes then i just kind of forgot abot it after reading the episode guide i wish i woulda seen the one where the rank warriors attack the former shredder, or ralph moves out, and when was the power rangers cross over, i dont rember hearing anything about this

I like to be honest but What or who is Chairman?

Even for me I can save my money pretty easily. And we know there's no chance for this series to be on DVD.

You worry about your money and I'll worry about my money.

the main reason not to get the tape, if its east meets west, they cut a lot of the show out. Its not enough to really mess with teh plot, but they did end up cutting a good deal out small things out

Still here still support Venus and Bonesteel, they are part of the mythos, don't care what anybody else says, an idea can not be distroyed no matter much you may hate it.

Besides THEY BUILT A HUMMER, nothing they have ever built beats that, not the Party wagon, not the battle shell, not the time slip, no the Demintional gate way. NOTHING IS COOLER THAN THEM BUILDING A HUMMER