Next Mutation: was it really all bad?

Donatello · 10-25-2003, 06:24 PM

granted, i haven't seen all the episodes, andd remeber next to nothing about this show, i'm sure it had a few good points. I just downloaded a few clips from the ninjaturlesnetwork, and there are obvious flaws, there is some cool parts.

I paticuler, i love the scen w/ splinter and the blind man playing ches, there's something about it, that is just magical,

i want this thread to discuss the good from this show, instead of it's obvious short=comings

Pher · 10-25-2003, 06:32 PM

yeah i enjoyed the new villan of dragon lord and the vehicles were cool as well, i also enjoyed that it took place when the turtles were like seventeen or eighteen.

*Deathknight* · 10-25-2003, 09:15 PM

I watched about 5 minutes of one episode when it aired and I thought it was the most horrid thing ever. Since then, I dare not watch it even though I've seen all episodes on sale a few times. Don't ask me where because the places I saw them they sold almost immediately.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 10-26-2003, 06:24 AM

the good thing according to my opinion:

-they were very funny, specially mike

-they met with the power rangers

-when they met with the power rangers it was even funnier(and sillier)

Bad Things:

-they met with the power rangers

-it was repetitive

-dragon lord was the typical power ranger villian stereotipe (lord zedd ring any bell

)

MW8979 · 10-26-2003, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathknight

I watched about 5 minutes of one episode when it aired and I thought it was the most horrid thing ever.

Ditto. I'm pretty sure that's why it went off the air so quickly.

*Cascadia* · 10-26-2003, 11:34 AM

I watched some of the episodes but then I got tired of it.....this was when I was in high school

*Anarchistguy* · 10-26-2003, 11:43 AM

Next mutation? This show makes me...makes me...

*throws up spraying everyone*

*Bowser_Koopa* · 10-26-2003, 12:11 PM

the throw up makes me........

THROW UP as well!!!.....the contagious puke! that makes u puke (like in snl remember?)

*Jephael* · 10-26-2003, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scienctific freak

I watched some of the episodes but then I got tired of it.....this was when I was in high school

Same with me, SF!

Nate · 10-26-2003, 12:25 PM

I only saw a few eps... it didn't seem too auful.. a little to 'zany' though, like it's only purpose was to make then 10 and under audience laugh. And of course... Venus :shudder: Other than that I really liked that they attempted to revive the turtles, I mean without TNM the new show probably wouldn't be so good, or mabey not even be. Also, from what I saw the costumes were pretty neato.. original, and stuff. In fact, if it were on again, I'd atempt to watch it.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 10-26-2003, 12:31 PM

actually about the suits, the designs were good but just that, whenever they bumped into each other when fighting and stuff u could see how soft the shell actually were, it looked like foam to me, there were some other details about the suits that made 'em look unreal

Shellfox · 10-26-2003, 12:58 PM

I have 25 of the 26 eps on tape (the sole exception is the venus Clip show since it had no new material unlike the Raph/Leo clip show, with Raph addressing the foot with leo).

I make it no secret that I love Next Mutation, yes it was by no means great, but you have to remember it was a saban property and Live action, there fore what they could do was limited.
What really makes it one of the best seriers for me was the creativity that went in to it. They just had some of the most inovative ideas in TMNT in that series
To this day I'm aginst Venus bashing, was wasn't bad, just porrly handled because it was live action. For those people who only saw the first few eps and piont to her 'limited intelligince' THATS CRAP. Venus was very smart, she just didn't know anything about America. Yes she could handel her magic very well, but she never finished her trains so its understandable. As the show progressed you saw Venus did understand a lot, and her magic did improve, she even played Laser Tag with Raph. Venus was justa new idea, most people hated it, I think she was a blessing and revitalised the saga.
Villians
They had some of the best Villians in this show. Well the villians had some of the best motivation in the series
Dragons- Thwy wanted to eat the turtles, I can't recall any other TMNT relity where the villians main reasoning was they wanted a snack! And it does raise an interesting question, wuold the dragon mutate if they ate the turtles.
Silver- OK He sucked
Doc. Quease- A bit over the top but he was fun, it was nice to see don play around with him, admire him and hate him at the same time.
Vampires- OK vam sucked, but the other 2 were great. I loved having 2 300 year old vampire-mystic-ultra butt kickers stuck in the bodies of 8 year olds. Its really a shame they didn't get more eps.
SIMON BONESTEEL- I love this man so much. Not just cause its Scott Macneil, its because he was really diffrent. He was in on real way evil. Yes he hunted endangered speacies, but not cause they were evel, cause they were hard to hunt. That was his sole motivation, he wants a challenge, no great back story just a challenge. And the guy did do some good, he use to hunt Vampires so he was pretty cool

Honestly I don't think most people would have bashed the show if it were animated, the live action was what really hurt it

What I really hated is the second wave of toys never made it down here. cause I really wanted to own the camo leo and bike, but it never ahppened. But I did manage the Rapha nd his bike, which stands as the coolest bike in my collection

Theres a lot more I could say, or could have said better, if you really want my view use the search function, I have laid down the opionion on this show many times.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 10-26-2003, 01:55 PM

Well you love the show and I can respect that.

as for me....

*chugs breakfast on the dead memory of Fox Kids ans Saban*

Dang, and to think Saban almost got their claws into Sailor Moon

*shudder*

*Anarchistguy* · 10-26-2003, 02:02 PM

The Sailor Moon dub still sucks.

Blaze DTGG · 10-26-2003, 04:38 PM

I have mixed feelings towards next mutation.

some of the costume aspects were great. I like how they aged the guys past 15. even though they didn't always act like it.
I could have done without the loony tunes sound effects though. but the humor in general was ok.
the fight scenes weren't bad, though I havent seen the whole series.

as far as venus goes. I have to agree with the creators of the TMNT.... she needed to not be.
Don't hate her. just didn't think she needed to exist in the first place

all in all.. it wasnt horrible.. but I have seen better

Blaze DTGG

*Bowser_Koopa* · 10-26-2003, 04:42 PM

why did they make venus in first place? i mean what was their excuse

**Karpo_007** · 10-26-2003, 04:44 PM

Fox said the show wouldn't air if there wasn't a girl turtle.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 10-26-2003, 04:48 PM

so that it would be gender friendly?

**Karpo_007** · 10-26-2003, 04:50 PM

Yep, it was another Power Rangers disguised as TMNT, so natrually there had to be a girl hero.

Blaze DTGG · 10-26-2003, 04:55 PM

which is really obnoxious because having a female turtle REALLY takes away from the whole "we are the only ones" angst thing.. which is part of what makes TMNT work.

Blaze DTGG

10-25-2003, 06:24 PM	#1
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	Next Mutation: was it really all bad? granted, i haven't seen all the episodes, andd remeber next to nothing about this show, i'm sure it had a few good points. I just downloaded a few clips from the ninjaturlesnetwork, and there are obvious flaws, there is some cool parts. I paticuler, i love the scen w/ splinter and the blind man playing ches, there's something about it, that is just magical, i want this thread to discuss the good from this show, instead of it's obvious short=comings __________________ "There's no way to describe what I do. It's just me." -Andy Kaufman (my biggest inspiration, the TMNT being a close second)

10-25-2003, 09:15 PM	#3
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	I watched about 5 minutes of one episode when it aired and I thought it was the most horrid thing ever. Since then, I dare not watch it even though I've seen all episodes on sale a few times. Don't ask me where because the places I saw them they sold almost immediately. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

10-26-2003, 11:34 AM	#6
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	I watched some of the episodes but then I got tired of it.....this was when I was in high school __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

10-26-2003, 11:43 AM	#7
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Next mutation? This show makes me...makes me... throws up spraying everyone __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

10-26-2003, 12:25 PM	#10
Nate Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Close enough to kill you ;) Posts: 301	I only saw a few eps... it didn't seem too auful.. a little to 'zany' though, like it's only purpose was to make then 10 and under audience laugh. And of course... Venus :shudder: Other than that I really liked that they attempted to revive the turtles, I mean without TNM the new show probably wouldn't be so good, or mabey not even be. Also, from what I saw the costumes were pretty neato.. original, and stuff. In fact, if it were on again, I'd atempt to watch it. __________________

10-25-2003, 06:32 PM	#2
Pher Thug Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 53	yeah i enjoyed the new villan of dragon lord and the vehicles were cool as well, i also enjoyed that it took place when the turtles were like seventeen or eighteen.

10-26-2003, 06:24 AM	#4
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	the good thing according to my opinion: -they were very funny, specially mike -they met with the power rangers -when they met with the power rangers it was even funnier(and sillier) Bad Things: -they met with the power rangers -it was repetitive -dragon lord was the typical power ranger villian stereotipe (lord zedd ring any bell )

10-26-2003, 12:11 PM	#8
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	the throw up makes me........ THROW UP as well!!!.....the contagious puke! that makes u puke (like in snl remember?)

10-26-2003, 12:31 PM	#11
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	actually about the suits, the designs were good but just that, whenever they bumped into each other when fighting and stuff u could see how soft the shell actually were, it looked like foam to me, there were some other details about the suits that made 'em look unreal

10-26-2003, 12:58 PM	#12
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I have 25 of the 26 eps on tape (the sole exception is the venus Clip show since it had no new material unlike the Raph/Leo clip show, with Raph addressing the foot with leo). I make it no secret that I love Next Mutation, yes it was by no means great, but you have to remember it was a saban property and Live action, there fore what they could do was limited. What really makes it one of the best seriers for me was the creativity that went in to it. They just had some of the most inovative ideas in TMNT in that series To this day I'm aginst Venus bashing, was wasn't bad, just porrly handled because it was live action. For those people who only saw the first few eps and piont to her 'limited intelligince' THATS CRAP. Venus was very smart, she just didn't know anything about America. Yes she could handel her magic very well, but she never finished her trains so its understandable. As the show progressed you saw Venus did understand a lot, and her magic did improve, she even played Laser Tag with Raph. Venus was justa new idea, most people hated it, I think she was a blessing and revitalised the saga. Villians They had some of the best Villians in this show. Well the villians had some of the best motivation in the series Dragons- Thwy wanted to eat the turtles, I can't recall any other TMNT relity where the villians main reasoning was they wanted a snack! And it does raise an interesting question, wuold the dragon mutate if they ate the turtles. Silver- OK He sucked Doc. Quease- A bit over the top but he was fun, it was nice to see don play around with him, admire him and hate him at the same time. Vampires- OK vam sucked, but the other 2 were great. I loved having 2 300 year old vampire-mystic-ultra butt kickers stuck in the bodies of 8 year olds. Its really a shame they didn't get more eps. SIMON BONESTEEL- I love this man so much. Not just cause its Scott Macneil, its because he was really diffrent. He was in on real way evil. Yes he hunted endangered speacies, but not cause they were evel, cause they were hard to hunt. That was his sole motivation, he wants a challenge, no great back story just a challenge. And the guy did do some good, he use to hunt Vampires so he was pretty cool Honestly I don't think most people would have bashed the show if it were animated, the live action was what really hurt it What I really hated is the second wave of toys never made it down here. cause I really wanted to own the camo leo and bike, but it never ahppened. But I did manage the Rapha nd his bike, which stands as the coolest bike in my collection Theres a lot more I could say, or could have said better, if you really want my view use the search function, I have laid down the opionion on this show many times. __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

10-26-2003, 01:55 PM	#13
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Well you love the show and I can respect that. as for me.... chugs breakfast on the dead memory of Fox Kids ans Saban Dang, and to think Saban almost got their claws into Sailor Moon shudder __________________

10-26-2003, 02:02 PM	#14
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	The Sailor Moon dub still sucks. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

10-26-2003, 04:38 PM	#15
Blaze DTGG Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 673	I have mixed feelings towards next mutation. some of the costume aspects were great. I like how they aged the guys past 15. even though they didn't always act like it. I could have done without the loony tunes sound effects though. but the humor in general was ok. the fight scenes weren't bad, though I havent seen the whole series. as far as venus goes. I have to agree with the creators of the TMNT.... she needed to not be. Don't hate her. just didn't think she needed to exist in the first place all in all.. it wasnt horrible.. but I have seen better Blaze DTGG __________________ "Life's a B*tch, and then you hit it on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for pissing on the carpet"

10-26-2003, 04:42 PM	#16
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	why did they make venus in first place? i mean what was their excuse

10-26-2003, 04:44 PM	#17
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Fox said the show wouldn't air if there wasn't a girl turtle.

10-26-2003, 04:48 PM	#18
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	so that it would be gender friendly?

10-26-2003, 04:50 PM	#19
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yep, it was another Power Rangers disguised as TMNT, so natrually there had to be a girl hero.

10-26-2003, 04:55 PM	#20
Blaze DTGG Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 673	which is really obnoxious because having a female turtle REALLY takes away from the whole "we are the only ones" angst thing.. which is part of what makes TMNT work. Blaze DTGG __________________ "Life's a B*tch, and then you hit it on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for pissing on the carpet"