About Spliter in the comics. Spoilers
 

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How did Splinter die?
Did he go out in a decent/respectful way?

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I changed it. Well it could have been a rumor. Plus Splinter here at the forums has "R.I.P. Splinter" right in his signature so I didn't think it would be a big deal. I figured that many people who didn't read the comic would have found out that way. I didn't know until I read it in his signature.

He just sorta... died. He's fixing up some tea, suddenly it shows him in pain, he says something like "My sons..." and just falls over dead.

Rat King was in the background when he keeled over too, so I think Laird is going to come back to this and delve deeper into the story.

So did it just look like he died or is he dead for sure?

Did they hint anything like maybe he was poisoned(possibly by Ratking) or did it just end like that?

He's really dead. They had a ceremony and everything already.

I don't think they hinted at anything like that (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please!). I'd just assumed he died of a heart attack or something...

Yeah, he is really dead. They burned him on a funeral boat/pyre. But Don did take something from the corpse before hand. We don't know what it is yet

They didn't hint at anything, he was just standing there. Wasn't there a story saying that Rat King was Splinters spiritual guide, or something like that? maybe that's why he was there when he bit the dust.

Yes Rat King helped Splinter survive. Kinda like a spirt guide. I'm 100% sure that was the significance of Rat Kings appearance at the time of Splinters death, which might I add actually made me quite sad.

The Shell if Splinter's dead for sure. I've got my theories.

Hopefully Don isn't trying to clone him... :o

The Rat King died in his first appearance, in Tales of TMNT vol 1.

During the City at War, Splinter is trapped in the same abandoned lot, and is haunted by the spirit of the Rat king, who pushes Splinter into eating anothe rrat to stay alive. when Splinter escapes, he finds the Rat king's bones in the rubble.

I don't know if I would go so far as to say Rat king was Splinter's spiritual guide, but they certainly have an ethereal connection. Rat King Appearing in Vol 4 was symblic...like a black crow, or the Grim Reaper... he is the spectre of death in Splinter's own mind... thus as Splinter's death sapproached, the Rat King was near.

No, it sucked. He had a heart attack and keeled over. They had a simple torching over a lake and that was it. YOu'd think it'd have some major impact on the guys...there were no emotions, no nothing.
Yeha and Don takes a sample of Splinter's hair..yea he'll probably try to clone him or something stupid. That'd be foolish of him. It wouldn't BE Splinter, onlu genetically.


I mean come on, this was SPLINTER...the guy's dad and nobody showed any emotion....oo Leo stayed there for a long time..whoopie doo...what about the others?

It was done pretty lame.

Yup, ditto exactly what Buslady said.

Well, honestly, I think the guys have been prepared for Splinter's death for a long time. That doesn't mean they aren't feeling any grief, they're just staying strong during mourning.

However, I expect that that strength is only gonna last for so long. I see a breakdown or "snap" at somepoint in the future.

Technially, at this point....it wouldn't be a spoiler. Nearly a year has passed since the issue originally came out. If people don't know by now, then it's their fault. As for the death, it was very poorly done. He was alone, and you can tell by the arm tremors that it was likely a heart attack. Ah hell, here are the pages. :P

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That was a heart attack. Dropping dead like that. What else could it be?

Brain Anuresym. It was a heart attack though, just saying.

IT could have been REALLY bad...

worst case scenario..

Okay, we all saw Ratking there. what if...

Ratking's Ghost takes control of Splinter, putting him into a strange 'absolute-zero' sort of suspended animation? He's not dead, but nothings' moving. No pulse, no breathing. Literally, he could have been in 'still life'.

And THEN...know what that means?

That means--worst case 'one in a million' scenario-- they then could have thought Splinter was dead, even though he wasnt, and then...When they Burned Splinter's body on that floating Pyre... Well, use your imagination here. :o

I'm not saying it could have happened. I sure as heck hope it didnt. But you never know sometimes... messed up writers.. :P :D

Here's the thing, Splinter is ...SPLINTER. He can't be dead. Who's next, Leo?

Yes he can be dead and he is.

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..when my pet rat died.. i buried it out back with my pet lizard and gramma.. :dead: :dead:

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..I'll alert the authorities! 8)

I don't think the Rat King's appearance is supposed means anything; he's just there to witness his "son's" death. Didn't he say in "City at War" that he would be there when Splinter died?

You know, when I read my first issue of vol. 4 (my first taste of the Mirage TMNT, BTW), knowing how the series had progressed in real time, was very surprised to see Splinter still alive. When I saw him die, not in battle, not from a heart attack (IMO), but simply from old age in issue #10 I thought it was very appropiate. He was at least 32 by then, an incredible age for a rat, he was done raising his children, and he had avenged Hamato Yoshi. He had lived a long, fulfilling life, and all that was left, IMO, was the dying.

As for the kid's reactions, well, they're for the most part appropiate, methinks. Remember, we don't know how long after issue 11 issue twelve occurs, and the last three issues have taken place during the course of a couple of days. Anyways, the kids have responded. Leo had his period of grief during the funeral. Raph, the emotional one, has gone through anger, has taken to reminiscing a bit, and has started drinking. Don is apparently in denial, although we'll have to see how the "Splinter body parts" subplot plays out. Then there's Mikey, whom we haven't seen any specific reaction from. Then again he's always been the most well-adjusted one of the quarter.

hrmmm
 

My personal opinion is that the "Rat King" was not the ghost of the sociopath that the TMNT killed in Tales of the TMNT, but rather an archetype or construct projected from Splinter's own consciousness.

Eastman and Laird hinted at this in the letter columns of City At War. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Lots and lots of Mirage goodies and tidbits that people don't pick up on. The series certainly has had a lot of layers to it.

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Layers? Like Ogres? hehehe sorry....no like Onions...

I think those that are saying the TMNT had no reaction should re-read the couple of issues following the death. They did have emotional reactions. Also, they all immediately engaged themselves in distractions after the funeral. I'm pretty sure there will be more and future discussions about Splinter in upcoming issues. I think the death was done pretty well because I, for one, don't want to read a whole issue of the TMNT discussing their innermost feelings. I think it can be assumed that sometime between issue 10, which ends with Splinter's death being revealed to the TMNT, and the begninning of issue 11, which begins with the final preparations for Splinter's funeral, there was a lot of grieving and discussion. Luckily, we were spared most of it.

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Or something like that. :roll:

Splinter's death was'nt poorly done...it was bloody natrual, simply because he was an icon in the TMNT does'nt mean Laird has to blow him up in some honourable self-sacrifice, this was a great way to kill him off

Both Eastman and Laird have always balanced thier world full of Utroms and Nano-bots and worm Clones with a very real-life enviorment, all the laws of nature still apply to them, and in Splinter's case, the law finally caught up to him.

It hurts knowing that Splinter died. He seemed like he would be around forever... but that's just wishful thinking. I guess the most acceptible way to most of us for him to die would have been in battle with an honourable death... or at least in his sleep. However, like it was stated by others, the way he died was realistic and natural... but it's painful to see him go like that. We'll miss you, Master Splinter. :tcry:

I really liked the way Splinter died because that's the way people die! He didn't have to give his life for the rescue of his sons or something. Anyone watches soccer? A few months ago that Hungarian player Feher who played for Benfica Lissabon just dropped on the court in the midst of a game and died a few hours later - it was a heart attack. And... my dad died a similar way. Making Splinter die in such a realistic way was a good decision.

Wow. Those where very strong examples. Well said. You're absolutly right. Because of his death being realistic, so down to earth, it made the biggest impact on us... It makes us think... It makes us realize how sudden and unpredictable death is ...even in the world of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Some people are just not willing to recognize that.

True.............True....................

Hmm...alright, I looked at Splinter's scans...and I'm not seeing the Rat King! Anyone care to point him out to me?

Btw, Ryo...your avatar rules.

Right here:

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/...tmnt1arrow.jpg

Thanks! I see him now. :D

I gotta say, the death was tastefully executed...

poor choice of words....

The death was done very tastefully. When I first heard of him dying (I don't buy comics like I used to... I focus on toys, now) I had a feeling it was pertaining to Splinter's age and health.

I feel this better suits the series than just having some thug come and rip his head off (I'v read this one manga where characters are brutally killed like nothing, and for some reason come back a few issues later... it's crazyness). It's like anyone would deal with the death of a father. It's peaceful and well done. If he were brutally slaughtered, I'd be disgusted.

As for the Turtles, I feel that in these comics, they are much older, and Splinter probably taught them about taking greif in stride, and not letting it cloud their judgements. They are deep down lamenting their father's death, but they're keeping a strong exterior.

Thanks, Wes! I drew it myself. :tanime: