Bebop and Rocksteady Wiki Page
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop_and_Rocksteady

i wanted to put this in here,because i still hear people ask why they aren't really around anymore..and when i try and explain that E&L did;nt own the characters...

"Bebop and Rocksteady were the creations of David Wise, based on instructions by Fred Wolf to "put more mutants in the series".

Except they were created by Eastman and Laird, who retained the rights to them. Laird just didn't want them in the new series.

EDIT: Ah I looked at the source
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...&id=1015623503

He didn't design them though. All the early concept sketches I've seen were done by Eastman and Laird. Sounds like he's just jaded he never got the credit he felt he deserved.

wow,interesting

I still dont think Laird made them,why would'nt they have been in the movies? why make Tokka and Rahzar...Sounds fishy to me

have u ever seen the prototype for the Rocksteady (as pictured in the TMNT Treasury)? it was awesome but apparently involved too much plastic when cash was scarce..

Even if they didn't come up with the idea they still designed them. An idea is nothing until it's expressed. Eastman and Laird expressed the idea so Mr. Wise has no reason to complain. He already admitted all he did was write them into the story.

As for Tokka and Rahzar I assume it's a lot easier to make suits of them then Bebop and Rocksteady. Henson's company created them and New Line owned the movie rights so it's possible Eastman and Laird had no say at all in what went into the film sequels.

Actually, I think Eastman and Laird have both explained that Tokka and Razhar were created in their attempts to keep the second movie from being less "kiddie." They certainly had the rights to use the characters but felt that the snapping turtle and wolf would be less silly.

Also, Pete posted an early sketch of Rocksteady on his blog:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2008/...gh-sketch.html

He mentions there that it was after they were shown the treatment for the show, which leads me to think the characters were there already but not designed (beyond "mutant rhino" and perhaps a description).

Tokka was cool, but i never really liked Rahzar at all....

No matter who designed them, they're still properties of Mirage (and well, now, Viacom). E&L owned the rights to all four mutants back then.

I'm sure most have seen this but for the benefit of Leonardofan I believe this to be the earliest renditions of Bebop & Rocksteady...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rocksteady.jpg

Laird also posted a version on his blog which had other potential mutants too.

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/...tants-for.html

Very Nice,thanks!!