Bebop and Rocksteady Wiki Page

Sword Slicin' Leo · 02-15-2011, 12:29 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop_and_Rocksteady

i wanted to put this in here,because i still hear people ask why they aren't really around anymore..and when i try and explain that E&L did;nt own the characters...

"Bebop and Rocksteady were the creations of David Wise, based on instructions by Fred Wolf to "put more mutants in the series".

*Spitfire* · 02-15-2011, 01:41 PM

Except they were created by Eastman and Laird, who retained the rights to them. Laird just didn't want them in the new series.

EDIT: Ah I looked at the source
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...&id=1015623503

He didn't design them though. All the early concept sketches I've seen were done by Eastman and Laird. Sounds like he's just jaded he never got the credit he felt he deserved.

Sword Slicin' Leo · 02-15-2011, 02:18 PM

wow,interesting

I still dont think Laird made them,why would'nt they have been in the movies? why make Tokka and Rahzar...Sounds fishy to me

Sword Slicin' Leo · 02-15-2011, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire

He didn't design them though. All the early concept sketches I've seen were done by Eastman and Laird. Sounds like he's just jaded he never got the credit he felt he deserved.

have u ever seen the prototype for the Rocksteady (as pictured in the TMNT Treasury)? it was awesome but apparently involved too much plastic when cash was scarce..

*Spitfire* · 02-15-2011, 02:33 PM

Even if they didn't come up with the idea they still designed them. An idea is nothing until it's expressed. Eastman and Laird expressed the idea so Mr. Wise has no reason to complain. He already admitted all he did was write them into the story.

As for Tokka and Rahzar I assume it's a lot easier to make suits of them then Bebop and Rocksteady. Henson's company created them and New Line owned the movie rights so it's possible Eastman and Laird had no say at all in what went into the film sequels.

cartoonistaaron · 02-15-2011, 02:37 PM

Actually, I think Eastman and Laird have both explained that Tokka and Razhar were created in their attempts to keep the second movie from being less "kiddie." They certainly had the rights to use the characters but felt that the snapping turtle and wolf would be less silly.

Also, Pete posted an early sketch of Rocksteady on his blog:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2008/...gh-sketch.html

He mentions there that it was after they were shown the treatment for the show, which leads me to think the characters were there already but not designed (beyond "mutant rhino" and perhaps a description).

Sword Slicin' Leo · 02-15-2011, 02:44 PM

Tokka was cool, but i never really liked Rahzar at all....

*Ninjinister* · 02-15-2011, 07:56 PM

No matter who designed them, they're still properties of Mirage (and well, now, Viacom). E&L owned the rights to all four mutants back then.

*Galactus* · 02-15-2011, 08:29 PM

I'm sure most have seen this but for the benefit of Leonardofan I believe this to be the earliest renditions of Bebop & Rocksteady...

Laird also posted a version on his blog which had other potential mutants too.

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/...tants-for.html

Sword Slicin' Leo · 02-16-2011, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'm sure most have seen this but for the benefit of Leonardofan I believe this to be the earliest renditions of Bebop & Rocksteady...

Laird also posted a version on his blog which had other potential mutants too.

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/...tants-for.html

Very Nice,thanks!!

02-15-2011, 12:29 PM	#1
Sword Slicin' Leo Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 11th & Bleeker Posts: 763	Bebop and Rocksteady Wiki Page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop_and_Rocksteady i wanted to put this in here,because i still hear people ask why they aren't really around anymore..and when i try and explain that E&L did;nt own the characters... "Bebop and Rocksteady were the creations of David Wise, based on instructions by Fred Wolf to "put more mutants in the series". __________________ https://www.facebook.com/NinjaTurtle...rs?ref=tn_tnmn

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Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Except they were created by Eastman and Laird, who retained the rights to them. Laird just didn't want them in the new series. EDIT: Ah I looked at the source http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...&id=1015623503 He didn't design them though. All the early concept sketches I've seen were done by Eastman and Laird. Sounds like he's just jaded he never got the credit he felt he deserved. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-15-2011, 02:18 PM	#3
Sword Slicin' Leo Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 11th & Bleeker Posts: 763	wow,interesting I still dont think Laird made them,why would'nt they have been in the movies? why make Tokka and Rahzar...Sounds fishy to me __________________ https://www.facebook.com/NinjaTurtle...rs?ref=tn_tnmn Last edited by Sword Slicin' Leo; 02-15-2011 at 02:27 PM.

02-15-2011, 02:33 PM	#5
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Even if they didn't come up with the idea they still designed them. An idea is nothing until it's expressed. Eastman and Laird expressed the idea so Mr. Wise has no reason to complain. He already admitted all he did was write them into the story. As for Tokka and Rahzar I assume it's a lot easier to make suits of them then Bebop and Rocksteady. Henson's company created them and New Line owned the movie rights so it's possible Eastman and Laird had no say at all in what went into the film sequels. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-15-2011, 02:44 PM	#7
Sword Slicin' Leo Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 11th & Bleeker Posts: 763	Tokka was cool, but i never really liked Rahzar at all.... __________________ https://www.facebook.com/NinjaTurtle...rs?ref=tn_tnmn

02-15-2011, 02:37 PM	#6
cartoonistaaron Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 737	Actually, I think Eastman and Laird have both explained that Tokka and Razhar were created in their attempts to keep the second movie from being less "kiddie." They certainly had the rights to use the characters but felt that the snapping turtle and wolf would be less silly. Also, Pete posted an early sketch of Rocksteady on his blog: http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2008/...gh-sketch.html He mentions there that it was after they were shown the treatment for the show, which leads me to think the characters were there already but not designed (beyond "mutant rhino" and perhaps a description).

02-15-2011, 07:56 PM	#8
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	No matter who designed them, they're still properties of Mirage (and well, now, Viacom). E&L owned the rights to all four mutants back then. __________________

02-15-2011, 08:29 PM	#9
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	I'm sure most have seen this but for the benefit of Leonardofan I believe this to be the earliest renditions of Bebop & Rocksteady... Laird also posted a version on his blog which had other potential mutants too. http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/...tants-for.html