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Originally Posted by Leo656
And apologies to those who may feel otherwise, but nobody with a repertoire consisting of a DDT, jamming their fingers in someone's mouth, hitting people with chairs, falling off of high places, and nothing else, even comes close to being one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
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Then...what does? Talk? Punching people with wimpy fake punches? Then in that case I might as well say that TMNT 2 was better than TMNT 1 because it was goofier and had less action...
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Originally Posted by Leo656
Twenty years from now, people will be talking about his fall off the Cell, and that's ALL.
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What about the I Quit match against the Rock? What about the premiere of Dude Love? (which was in my current hometown, BTW) What about the tale of his ear being cut off? What about the goings on between him and Terry Funk? What about that famed interview with Jim Ross where he gives him the Mandible Claw at the end? That's a classic. You obviously know nothing about Foley.
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Hitting people with chairs and falling through tables isn't wrestling. I'm sorry, but it just isn't.
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See my first quote.
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Originally Posted by Leo656
each of them made a much bigger contribution to wrestling than Foley did.
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List these contributions, and I'll be the judge of if they even remotely compare to what Foley did in his career.
All in all, you mean to say that cheap talk, fake punches, corny signature moves, bad acting, lousy participations in arcs, and STUPID gimmicks (yes, Foley had gimmicks just like all pro wrestlers, but at least they were good gimmicks) make a better wrestler than not knowing the definition of pain, risking your life for the sake of entertaining people (voluntarily, at that), enduring numerous batterings and C-4 explosions, landing on an entire floor of thumb-tacks on your back and still going strong, and just having basically un-ending stamina in those matches? Wow, pat yourself on the back, Leo. You just won the "Memeber with the Most Flawed Logic" award.[/sarcasm]
Foley has/had guts, which is why I admire him. He found pleasure in pain both in and out of character. Unlike a lot of "wrestlers" today, sometimes he didn't want to play along with the choreographed arcs (e.g., he truly did not want to say "I quit" in that infamous match with Rock, so they had to use a recording of his voice during that Royal Rumble) and he sort of hates the idea of pro wrestling being fake altogether.
Let me ask you this. If Foley wasn't that great a wrestler, then:
1) Why did he not only make many wrestling headlines, but also write not one, but TWO autobiographies (well, at least one, I don't know if "Foley Is Good" is by him or not) written extensively? Don't forget that video "Faces of Foley"; I don't think he would get so much as that if he wasn't a legend. I don't see any books/videos on these guys that you claim to have "contributions" to wrestling.
2) Why have I seen (in the past anyway) the fans become totally ecstatic whenever his name is even mentioned? Remember the events leading up to the 2000 Backlash? While it ended up not being him, people were hoping that Foley would be alongside the Rock during that title match. I'm pretty sure nobody would suggest him if he didn't make an impact in the wrestling world.
And so what if he has brain damage now? At least he wasn't afraid of getting it during his heydays. I don't see anybody else not giving a second thought about what might come if they hurt themselves too hard. Foley didn't give a crap. Now THAT is courage right there!
Yeah, that's another thing, you're being extremely fallacious saying his PRESENT condition is cause for him to not be admired. Last I checked, Foley doesn't wrestle anymore. I believe the aim of choosisng your favorite wrestler is based on him/her AS a wrestler, not as what they are afterwards. I'm basing my admiration of Foley on the days of before he was in the state he's in now. His current handicaps are irrelevant to my opinon of him AS A WRESTLER.
Thank you, and good night/day, depending on your time zone :wink: