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Misfit 11-20-2003 02:51 PM

Michael Jackson
 
So, dudes, what are your thoughts abou this latest abuse thing with Jacko? Do you think he's innoent or guilty? Will he get away again or will this ruin him for good?

I remember very clearly the case against Michael from 1993, I was devestated (big fan of him and only 10 at the time) and refused to believe he had done it for years. However watching the way he treats his own kids (viels over their faces, masks etc), the baby dangling incident and then seeing the doco about his private home movies on TV where Michael was holding hands with boys on camera and admitting to sharing his bed with them I'm pretty sure he's guilty, especially with some of the stuff I've been hearing like how he tried to send the family of the accusing boy to south america and things like that...

Still I can't help but feel sad...Michael's one of the most amazing, talented performers of our time...it seems such a waste to me. The guy should've got help while he was young, it's been obcvious for years now that he's incredibly disturbed.

That Matt Guy 11-20-2003 03:01 PM

Remember when he was black? Wow, that takes me back.

Barkworm 11-20-2003 03:09 PM

At least in the first case he was guilty! Why else would he have paid such a huge amount of money to that boy?
It it can be proved put him in jail (or into zoo, that... thing isn't even human anymore) forever!

Dane E5R 11-20-2003 03:43 PM

Give me a break.. He paid that much because that's what they wanted in the first place. Money. Honestly, if some man molested your child, would you shut up for any sum of money? I know I wouldn't. All Mike is is a big child. Having sleep overs. Not doing anything sexual. If he was doing things that are so wrong with these children, do you think he would openly admit to sharing his bed with them on national television? The world needs to just let this man be. He's tried so hard to give to the people and children of this world, and all the world seems to do now is spit in his face. Imagine how much that must hurt.

Raven 11-20-2003 04:23 PM

um right, i kninda have....no totally disagree, hes how old sharing a bed with some one thats 12 or 13........right nothing going on weird there.
he has a alarm that detects when some one is 20 feet away from his room......right I wonder what thats for.
grabs his crotch like mj then walks out of the thread.

Leo656 11-20-2003 04:43 PM

Elite, your words and mine on the subject were amazingly similar, practically identical, for a while. Being familiar with cases like that and how things get twisted and how people try and blackmail celebrities ALL the time (way more often than we hear about), it seemed strange to me that the kid's family only came out in 1993 AFTER MJ refused to pay them a huge sum of money. THEN they went to the press with their story. Seemed very odd to me, and still does.

But with this new information, I really don't know. I've played devil's advocate for MJ for a long time, but I seriously think that as of this moment, whether he's innocent or not, his career is over. This latest scandal is the last straw, and no matter what happens, even if he's found not guilty, he'll never be able to regain public face. 9 times out of 10, just being accused of a crime is just as bad as actually committing it in the public's eyes. And after all these allegations, MJ's career is finished. Personally, I think he's going to kill himself.

I always tended to think that he didn't do it and that the fact he is a weird guy made him an easy target, but who knows now. He could have done it, or this latest case could just be another extortion scheme. God knows most of the accusations thrown at celebrities are bullsh*t, especially dealing with sexual misconduct (anyone remember when Hulk Hogan was accused of raping a female Mall of America employee in 1995? No? Not surprising, because it was just another failed celebrity extortion attempt)... but I just don't know anymore. I officially have no opinion until more facts come out on this.

ZariusTwo 11-20-2003 05:06 PM

I have to agree with Leo656, Jsckson's case is open to practically ANYTHING, just like in 1993.

He settled things out of court then, which sadly screwed him in the long run, nobody took him seriously after that, he refused to go through the trial process, which would have either proved him Guilty or Not Guilty: an honourable verdict.

He chose to take a coward's way out, and even though I will remain a fan of Michale, his last album sucked, and he should stop right now, lock himself away in his chamber of secrets, and re-release his old albums fifty times and become richer.

"Billy Jean is not my lover?"

Which Billy Jean is that Michale? a boy?

lunycrys 11-20-2003 05:12 PM

i don't know...the whole thing seems supicious to me :-?

That Matt Guy 11-20-2003 05:12 PM

He may be a kid at heart, but why did he mutate his face?

GK Punk 11-20-2003 05:15 PM

I'd also like to point out, that a law was past recently and now anyone accused of Child Molesting can not settle out of court.

Mars-Chan 11-20-2003 05:24 PM

I'm still a fan of his. Abuse case or not.

Dinogrrl 11-20-2003 05:33 PM

I'm largely with Leo656. I'm not making anything of it till I see the actual court case proceed. I do believe that the first case back in the early 90's was a ******** extortion case though. The father of that boy had previously approached MJ several times for money (~$40 million) for a movie project. MJ refused. Cue court case. And I might note that the so-called victim was able to escape having to testify due to a loophole in California law, resulting in the collapse of the criminal case and the opening of a civil suit, which I dare say was the plan of the father in the first place. This is where a settlement of ~$35 million occured. I've never seen a genuine case of molestation go this route - the parents or victim always want a conviction. If it was genuine molestation and the father then took advantage of it for monetary gain, then I don't think much of him.

I sincerely hope MJ isn't a pedophile. He's very obviously suffering from psychological issues, one of which is bound to include body dysmorphia, which in a nutshell is hatred of ones physical appearance and the belief that changing this appearance will bring happiness. That's why he's done all that dreadful surgery to his face. It's very sad to see the disintegration of a formerly great music talent. I do worry about his kids, not because of molestation, but the mental instability of parents always reflects on the kids, and I'm wondering what sort of basketcases they might end up if raised by him. I don't think he should be allowed to adopt more, simply on the basis of his psychiatric condition, which clearly isn't all that stable.

As for sleep overs - kids do that all the time, I shared beds with friends a lot, and if you look at MJ as desperately wishing to return to or stay a child, it's not that big a deal.

But anyway, California law was changed as a result of the first case against MJ - accusers can no longer skip out of testifying in the criminal case - the child in question will be compelled to take the stand or at least provide a video-taped testimony. We'll see how this turns out before too long.

The Defibrillator 11-20-2003 05:42 PM

How do you know when it's bedtime at Jacko's?

When the big hand touches the little hand! *Ba-dum, chhh!*

Seriously, this dude needs to be in a zoo. His music might be great, but what a freakin creep.



America......the only country in the world where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman.

Dane E5R 11-20-2003 05:52 PM

:flaming:

OA 11-20-2003 06:01 PM

Man, isn't that crazy how someone can do so many great things (all his music) but still have some crazy crap wron with them (skin change, the kid stuff, etc)? I guess its life seeking balance in all things...

JameO 11-20-2003 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenageMutantNinja Hobbit
How do you know when it's bedtime at Jacko's?

When the big hand touches the little hand! *Ba-dum, chhh!*

Seriously, this dude needs to be in a zoo. His music might be great, but what a freakin creep.



America......the only country in the world where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman.

HAHAHAHA :lol: So true. His music rules but he is just pathetically weird.

Stone Ill 11-20-2003 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite5Raph
:flaming:

Why so mad? Can 'african-american' boys become white women in other countries too?

Reznorite420 11-20-2003 06:51 PM

Elite's black himself...or didnt' you know that?

Anyway, I hope Jacko gets a does of his own medicine when he's in the slammer, if you knaw'mean...

Stone Ill 11-20-2003 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reznorite420
Elite's black himself...or didnt' you know that?

I know that Elite is black. I just don't why he got angry. Either at the MJ remark, or about a black boy becoming a white woman.

Kameko 11-20-2003 06:56 PM

Michael from the early 80's = Awesome, gorgeous, woulda had a poster of him if I hadn't been an infant ( :lol: )

Michael now = scares the ever-lovin' crap out of me. To be honest, I really do feel sorry for him, but it's mostly because he seems to be suffering from arrested development. Listen to him when he talks and you'll know what I mean.


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