Michael Jackson

Misfit · 11-20-2003, 02:51 PM

So, dudes, what are your thoughts abou this latest abuse thing with Jacko? Do you think he's innoent or guilty? Will he get away again or will this ruin him for good?

I remember very clearly the case against Michael from 1993, I was devestated (big fan of him and only 10 at the time) and refused to believe he had done it for years. However watching the way he treats his own kids (viels over their faces, masks etc), the baby dangling incident and then seeing the doco about his private home movies on TV where Michael was holding hands with boys on camera and admitting to sharing his bed with them I'm pretty sure he's guilty, especially with some of the stuff I've been hearing like how he tried to send the family of the accusing boy to south america and things like that...

Still I can't help but feel sad...Michael's one of the most amazing, talented performers of our time...it seems such a waste to me. The guy should've got help while he was young, it's been obcvious for years now that he's incredibly disturbed.

*That Matt Guy* · 11-20-2003, 03:01 PM

Remember when he was black? Wow, that takes me back.

**Barkworm** · 11-20-2003, 03:09 PM

At least in the first case he was guilty! Why else would he have paid such a huge amount of money to that boy?
It it can be proved put him in jail (or into zoo, that... thing isn't even human anymore) forever!

*Dane E5R* · 11-20-2003, 03:43 PM

Give me a break.. He paid that much because that's what they wanted in the first place. Money. Honestly, if some man molested your child, would you shut up for any sum of money? I know I wouldn't. All Mike is is a big child. Having sleep overs. Not doing anything sexual. If he was doing things that are so wrong with these children, do you think he would openly admit to sharing his bed with them on national television? The world needs to just let this man be. He's tried so hard to give to the people and children of this world, and all the world seems to do now is spit in his face. Imagine how much that must hurt.

*Raven* · 11-20-2003, 04:23 PM

um right, i kninda have....no totally disagree, hes how old sharing a bed with some one thats 12 or 13........right nothing going on weird there.
he has a alarm that detects when some one is 20 feet away from his room......right I wonder what thats for.
grabs his crotch like mj then walks out of the thread.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-20-2003, 04:43 PM

Elite, your words and mine on the subject were amazingly similar, practically identical, for a while. Being familiar with cases like that and how things get twisted and how people try and blackmail celebrities ALL the time (way more often than we hear about), it seemed strange to me that the kid's family only came out in 1993 AFTER MJ refused to pay them a huge sum of money. THEN they went to the press with their story. Seemed very odd to me, and still does.

But with this new information, I really don't know. I've played devil's advocate for MJ for a long time, but I seriously think that as of this moment, whether he's innocent or not, his career is over. This latest scandal is the last straw, and no matter what happens, even if he's found not guilty, he'll never be able to regain public face. 9 times out of 10, just being accused of a crime is just as bad as actually committing it in the public's eyes. And after all these allegations, MJ's career is finished. Personally, I think he's going to kill himself.

I always tended to think that he didn't do it and that the fact he is a weird guy made him an easy target, but who knows now. He could have done it, or this latest case could just be another extortion scheme. God knows most of the accusations thrown at celebrities are bullsh*t, especially dealing with sexual misconduct (anyone remember when Hulk Hogan was accused of raping a female Mall of America employee in 1995? No? Not surprising, because it was just another failed celebrity extortion attempt)... but I just don't know anymore. I officially have no opinion until more facts come out on this.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-20-2003, 05:06 PM

I have to agree with Leo656, Jsckson's case is open to practically ANYTHING, just like in 1993.

He settled things out of court then, which sadly screwed him in the long run, nobody took him seriously after that, he refused to go through the trial process, which would have either proved him Guilty or Not Guilty: an honourable verdict.

He chose to take a coward's way out, and even though I will remain a fan of Michale, his last album sucked, and he should stop right now, lock himself away in his chamber of secrets, and re-release his old albums fifty times and become richer.

"Billy Jean is not my lover?"

Which Billy Jean is that Michale? a boy?

lunycrys · 11-20-2003, 05:12 PM

i don't know...the whole thing seems supicious to me

*That Matt Guy* · 11-20-2003, 05:12 PM

He may be a kid at heart, but why did he mutate his face?

**GK Punk** · 11-20-2003, 05:15 PM

I'd also like to point out, that a law was past recently and now anyone accused of Child Molesting can not settle out of court.

*Mars-Chan* · 11-20-2003, 05:24 PM

I'm still a fan of his. Abuse case or not.

Dinogrrl · 11-20-2003, 05:33 PM

I'm largely with Leo656. I'm not making anything of it till I see the actual court case proceed. I do believe that the first case back in the early 90's was a ******** extortion case though. The father of that boy had previously approached MJ several times for money (~$40 million) for a movie project. MJ refused. Cue court case. And I might note that the so-called victim was able to escape having to testify due to a loophole in California law, resulting in the collapse of the criminal case and the opening of a civil suit, which I dare say was the plan of the father in the first place. This is where a settlement of ~$35 million occured. I've never seen a genuine case of molestation go this route - the parents or victim always want a conviction. If it was genuine molestation and the father then took advantage of it for monetary gain, then I don't think much of him.

I sincerely hope MJ isn't a pedophile. He's very obviously suffering from psychological issues, one of which is bound to include body dysmorphia, which in a nutshell is hatred of ones physical appearance and the belief that changing this appearance will bring happiness. That's why he's done all that dreadful surgery to his face. It's very sad to see the disintegration of a formerly great music talent. I do worry about his kids, not because of molestation, but the mental instability of parents always reflects on the kids, and I'm wondering what sort of basketcases they might end up if raised by him. I don't think he should be allowed to adopt more, simply on the basis of his psychiatric condition, which clearly isn't all that stable.

As for sleep overs - kids do that all the time, I shared beds with friends a lot, and if you look at MJ as desperately wishing to return to or stay a child, it's not that big a deal.

But anyway, California law was changed as a result of the first case against MJ - accusers can no longer skip out of testifying in the criminal case - the child in question will be compelled to take the stand or at least provide a video-taped testimony. We'll see how this turns out before too long.

*The Defibrillator* · 11-20-2003, 05:42 PM

How do you know when it's bedtime at Jacko's?

When the big hand touches the little hand! *Ba-dum, chhh!*

Seriously, this dude needs to be in a zoo. His music might be great, but what a freakin creep.

America......the only country in the world where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman.

*Dane E5R* · 11-20-2003, 05:52 PM

OA · 11-20-2003, 06:01 PM

Man, isn't that crazy how someone can do so many great things (all his music) but still have some crazy crap wron with them (skin change, the kid stuff, etc)? I guess its life seeking balance in all things...

*JameO* · 11-20-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenageMutantNinja Hobbit

How do you know when it's bedtime at Jacko's?

When the big hand touches the little hand! *Ba-dum, chhh!*

Seriously, this dude needs to be in a zoo. His music might be great, but what a freakin creep.

America......the only country in the world where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman.

HAHAHAHA

So true. His music rules but he is just pathetically weird.

*Stone Ill* · 11-20-2003, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

Why so mad? Can 'african-american' boys become white women in other countries too?

~~Reznorite420~~ · 11-20-2003, 06:51 PM

Elite's black himself...or didnt' you know that?

Anyway, I hope Jacko gets a does of his own medicine when he's in the slammer, if you knaw'mean...

*Stone Ill* · 11-20-2003, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

Elite's black himself...or didnt' you know that?

I know that Elite is black. I just don't why he got angry. Either at the MJ remark, or about a black boy becoming a white woman.

*Kameko* · 11-20-2003, 06:56 PM

Michael from the early 80's = Awesome, gorgeous, woulda had a poster of him if I hadn't been an infant (

)

Michael now = scares the ever-lovin' crap out of me. To be honest, I really do feel sorry for him, but it's mostly because he seems to be suffering from arrested development. Listen to him when he talks and you'll know what I mean.

11-20-2003, 02:51 PM	#1
Misfit Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 508	Michael Jackson So, dudes, what are your thoughts abou this latest abuse thing with Jacko? Do you think he's innoent or guilty? Will he get away again or will this ruin him for good? I remember very clearly the case against Michael from 1993, I was devestated (big fan of him and only 10 at the time) and refused to believe he had done it for years. However watching the way he treats his own kids (viels over their faces, masks etc), the baby dangling incident and then seeing the doco about his private home movies on TV where Michael was holding hands with boys on camera and admitting to sharing his bed with them I'm pretty sure he's guilty, especially with some of the stuff I've been hearing like how he tried to send the family of the accusing boy to south america and things like that... Still I can't help but feel sad...Michael's one of the most amazing, talented performers of our time...it seems such a waste to me. The guy should've got help while he was young, it's been obcvious for years now that he's incredibly disturbed. __________________ My LiveJournal My Fanfiction "I'm the pretty one!" - Mikey in "Meet Casey Jones".

11-20-2003, 03:09 PM	#3
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,766	At least in the first case he was guilty! Why else would he have paid such a huge amount of money to that boy? It it can be proved put him in jail (or into zoo, that... thing isn't even human anymore) forever! __________________ Make ****, not kill!

11-20-2003, 03:43 PM	#4
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	Give me a break.. He paid that much because that's what they wanted in the first place. Money. Honestly, if some man molested your child, would you shut up for any sum of money? I know I wouldn't. All Mike is is a big child. Having sleep overs. Not doing anything sexual. If he was doing things that are so wrong with these children, do you think he would openly admit to sharing his bed with them on national television? The world needs to just let this man be. He's tried so hard to give to the people and children of this world, and all the world seems to do now is spit in his face. Imagine how much that must hurt. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

11-20-2003, 04:23 PM	#5
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	um right, i kninda have....no totally disagree, hes how old sharing a bed with some one thats 12 or 13........right nothing going on weird there. he has a alarm that detects when some one is 20 feet away from his room......right I wonder what thats for. grabs his crotch like mj then walks out of the thread. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

11-20-2003, 05:06 PM	#7
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,513	I have to agree with Leo656, Jsckson's case is open to practically ANYTHING, just like in 1993. He settled things out of court then, which sadly screwed him in the long run, nobody took him seriously after that, he refused to go through the trial process, which would have either proved him Guilty or Not Guilty: an honourable verdict. He chose to take a coward's way out, and even though I will remain a fan of Michale, his last album sucked, and he should stop right now, lock himself away in his chamber of secrets, and re-release his old albums fifty times and become richer. "Billy Jean is not my lover?" Which Billy Jean is that Michale? a boy? __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-20-2003, 03:01 PM	#2
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Remember when he was black? Wow, that takes me back.

11-20-2003, 04:43 PM	#6
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Elite, your words and mine on the subject were amazingly similar, practically identical, for a while. Being familiar with cases like that and how things get twisted and how people try and blackmail celebrities ALL the time (way more often than we hear about), it seemed strange to me that the kid's family only came out in 1993 AFTER MJ refused to pay them a huge sum of money. THEN they went to the press with their story. Seemed very odd to me, and still does. But with this new information, I really don't know. I've played devil's advocate for MJ for a long time, but I seriously think that as of this moment, whether he's innocent or not, his career is over. This latest scandal is the last straw, and no matter what happens, even if he's found not guilty, he'll never be able to regain public face. 9 times out of 10, just being accused of a crime is just as bad as actually committing it in the public's eyes. And after all these allegations, MJ's career is finished. Personally, I think he's going to kill himself. I always tended to think that he didn't do it and that the fact he is a weird guy made him an easy target, but who knows now. He could have done it, or this latest case could just be another extortion scheme. God knows most of the accusations thrown at celebrities are bullsh*t, especially dealing with sexual misconduct (anyone remember when Hulk Hogan was accused of raping a female Mall of America employee in 1995? No? Not surprising, because it was just another failed celebrity extortion attempt)... but I just don't know anymore. I officially have no opinion until more facts come out on this.

11-20-2003, 05:12 PM	#8
lunycrys Thug Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: kansas Posts: 50	i don't know...the whole thing seems supicious to me __________________ having the internet does not make you god, it only makes you king of your own little virtual kingdom...HUZZAH!

11-20-2003, 05:15 PM	#10
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I'd also like to point out, that a law was past recently and now anyone accused of Child Molesting can not settle out of court.

11-20-2003, 05:24 PM	#11
Mars-Chan I'LL BE THE HERO!!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Practicing Alchemy in Risembool Posts: 6,297	I'm still a fan of his. Abuse case or not. __________________ clings to award THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! cries in joy RED DAAAAAAAAAAAAWWN!!!! PROUD Member of the Risembool Rangers! (icon made by bakergirl69 on glitter-graphics)

11-20-2003, 05:33 PM	#12
Dinogrrl Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 176	I'm largely with Leo656. I'm not making anything of it till I see the actual court case proceed. I do believe that the first case back in the early 90's was a ****** extortion case though. The father of that boy had previously approached MJ several times for money (~$40 million) for a movie project. MJ refused. Cue court case. And I might note that the so-called victim was able to escape having to testify due to a loophole in California law, resulting in the collapse of the criminal case and the opening of a civil suit, which I dare say was the plan of the father in the first place. This is where a settlement of ~$35 million occured. I've never seen a genuine case of molestation go this route - the parents or victim always want a conviction. If it was genuine molestation and the father then took advantage of it for monetary gain, then I don't think much of him. I sincerely hope MJ isn't a pedophile. He's very obviously suffering from psychological issues, one of which is bound to include body dysmorphia, which in a nutshell is hatred of ones physical appearance and the belief that changing this appearance will bring happiness. That's why he's done all that dreadful surgery to his face. It's very sad to see the disintegration of a formerly great music talent. I do worry about his kids, not because of molestation, but the mental instability of parents always reflects on the kids, and I'm wondering what sort of basketcases they might end up if raised by him. I don't think he should be allowed to adopt more, simply on the basis of his psychiatric condition, which clearly isn't all that stable. As for sleep overs - kids do that all the time, I shared beds with friends a lot, and if you look at MJ as desperately wishing to return to or stay a child, it's not that big a deal. But anyway, California law was changed as a result of the first case against MJ - accusers can no longer skip out of testifying in the criminal case - the child in question will be compelled to take the stand or at least provide a video-taped testimony. We'll see how this turns out before too long. __________________ Exceedingly Spherical Goldfish**

11-20-2003, 05:42 PM	#13
The Defibrillator Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dee Eff Dubble You Posts: 1,631	How do you know when it's bedtime at Jacko's? When the big hand touches the little hand! Ba-dum, chhh! Seriously, this dude needs to be in a zoo. His music might be great, but what a freakin creep. America......the only country in the world where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman. __________________ My newest signature.

11-20-2003, 05:52 PM	#14
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	__________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

11-20-2003, 06:01 PM	#15
OA Scatter the nuns!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,981	Man, isn't that crazy how someone can do so many great things (all his music) but still have some crazy crap wron with them (skin change, the kid stuff, etc)? I guess its life seeking balance in all things... __________________

11-20-2003, 06:51 PM	#18
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	Elite's black himself...or didnt' you know that? Anyway, I hope Jacko gets a does of his own medicine when he's in the slammer, if you knaw'mean...

11-20-2003, 06:56 PM	#20
Kameko Sister to the TMNT Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 2,756	Michael from the early 80's = Awesome, gorgeous, woulda had a poster of him if I hadn't been an infant ( ) Michael now = scares the ever-lovin' crap out of me. To be honest, I really do feel sorry for him, but it's mostly because he seems to be suffering from arrested development. Listen to him when he talks and you'll know what I mean.