Bebop, Rocksteady and Venus.
 

I have a question, why does Laird hate these three characters so much?

Peter Laird just dosn't like Venus. I don't think he actually hates Bebop and Rocksteady; he just dosn't want them to be a part of TMNT continuity. :)

He doesn't hate B & R so much as think that they wouldn't fit into anything but the old show.

He hates Venus because she's ruined an important aspect of the TMNT mythos.

Those would be my guesses.

Did anyone even actually LIKE venus for that matter? just kidding.

As a cartoonist, I can see where he stands on the characters. I don't know if he hates Beeb and Rock, but Venus is a justifyable disgust. They (Saban? Fox Kids? Some guy in marketing?) added a character to something he and Kevin created totally ruining the four character yin yang they set up. Lets say there was a fourth stooge who didn't really do anything. he doesn't add much, just takes away from the others. A number of times I wrote little fan fic type comics, and I stupidly added an extra character to something, and it totally threw off the balance of the others. Besides that, he didn't create her (did he? I'm prob'ly out of the loop).

As for bebop and rocksteady... well... I do know a lot of comic purists hate those 2. I like them, but in the aspect of the classic TMNT series. I don't think characters like that would work in the comic book or the new series. I think that Peter doesn't want them to leave the arch of the 1980's cartoon, since that was their niche.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Kevin Eastman created Venus.

He helped to create Bebop and Rocksteady, so I doubt he hates them. Like with what the others were saying, they would not really fit in with the new series. Now, there could be some hidden references down the line.

With Venus, I think they had less to do with Next Mutation. Venus was added as to give girls a reason to watch a show that they probably would not normally watch. I on the other hand know a bunch of girls who loved the Turtles way before Mutation.

Ryan

That's probably what ended the partnership...

Sorry for my ignorance to that fact.

No he does not hate Bepop and Rocksteady, and he doesn't hate the old cartoon. He just didn't like it when it went all kiddy after the first season. Next Mutation on the other and he seems to hate, and same goes to Venus. And I can perfectly understand why.

...Under pressure from Saban to add a female turtle. He was told to create the female or the show wouldn't have happened, as the story goes. or atleast as I've always heard it.

Laird doesn't hate B+R....Venus on the otherhand.... :dead: And I can see why...She totally ruined the biggest part of the TMNT: they're suppose to be special, one of a kind....throwing a "sister" into it, takes all of the away.

Thats true, like Power Rangers, the TMNT needed have a female member. That was a condition by FOX. Eastman was less objected to the idea, but I have never heard that he would created Venus though.

B & R could easily be put into the new series if they were less comical and more serious. I know my dad would certainly enjoy seeing them again :-)

On that note, I think all three characters can easily fit into the new series. Bebop and Rocksteady could be either space bounty hunters or agressive mutant freeks, employed by eith Shredder or the Tricerations.

Venus could be a from that samurai rabbit's world (Forgot his name, sorry) Or she could be a mutant turtle as well (Though not the TMNT's sister), her origin could be either she was created by either the Utroms or Shredder, or was flushed down the toilet where she ends up coming into contact with the ooze that mutated Splinter and the other turtles.

Once their origins have been finished, all that remains to be improved is their fighting skills. Bebop and Rocksteady could both be violent, tearing apart practically everything they see with their teeth and claws. As for Venus, I'll be quick, if you've ever played Nightshade you'll get an idea.

She can't come from Usagi's world because it's all mammals.

I thought it was a world of animals?

Nope, only mammals.

Oh, well then I guess we'll have to stick with the mutant turtle origin.

The real question is: why do you like Venus so much???

[quote="Jarrah White"]I say she's flushed down the toilet, is exposed to the mutagen, she goes topside, and gets decaptiated by The Shredder