Bebop, Rocksteady and Venus.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-22-2004, 02:18 PM

I have a question, why does Laird hate these three characters so much?

Utrom · 03-22-2004, 02:24 PM

Peter Laird just dosn't like Venus. I don't think he actually hates Bebop and Rocksteady; he just dosn't want them to be a part of TMNT continuity.

*Taloniss* · 03-22-2004, 02:41 PM

He doesn't hate B & R so much as think that they wouldn't fit into anything but the old show.

He hates Venus because she's ruined an important aspect of the TMNT mythos.

Those would be my guesses.

*Drtooth* · 03-22-2004, 02:43 PM

Did anyone even actually LIKE venus for that matter? just kidding.

As a cartoonist, I can see where he stands on the characters. I don't know if he hates Beeb and Rock, but Venus is a justifyable disgust. They (Saban? Fox Kids? Some guy in marketing?) added a character to something he and Kevin created totally ruining the four character yin yang they set up. Lets say there was a fourth stooge who didn't really do anything. he doesn't add much, just takes away from the others. A number of times I wrote little fan fic type comics, and I stupidly added an extra character to something, and it totally threw off the balance of the others. Besides that, he didn't create her (did he? I'm prob'ly out of the loop).

As for bebop and rocksteady... well... I do know a lot of comic purists hate those 2. I like them, but in the aspect of the classic TMNT series. I don't think characters like that would work in the comic book or the new series. I think that Peter doesn't want them to leave the arch of the 1980's cartoon, since that was their niche.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-22-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Did anyone even actually LIKE venus for that matter? just kidding.

As a cartoonist, I can see where he stands on the characters. I don't know if he hates Beeb and Rock, but Venus is a justifyable disgust. They (Saban? Fox Kids? Some guy in marketing?) added a character to something he and Kevin created totally ruining the four character yin yang they set up. Lets say there was a fourth stooge who didn't really do anything. he doesn't add much, just takes away from the others. A number of times I wrote little fan fic type comics, and I stupidly added an extra character to something, and it totally threw off the balance of the others. Besides that, he didn't create her (did he? I'm prob'ly out of the loop).

Actually, if I remember correctly, Kevin Eastman created Venus.

Ryan · 03-22-2004, 02:47 PM

He helped to create Bebop and Rocksteady, so I doubt he hates them. Like with what the others were saying, they would not really fit in with the new series. Now, there could be some hidden references down the line.

With Venus, I think they had less to do with Next Mutation. Venus was added as to give girls a reason to watch a show that they probably would not normally watch. I on the other hand know a bunch of girls who loved the Turtles way before Mutation.

Ryan

*Drtooth* · 03-22-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

Actually, if I remember correctly, Kevin Eastman created Venus.

That's probably what ended the partnership...

Sorry for my ignorance to that fact.

**Karpo_007** · 03-22-2004, 03:40 PM

No he does not hate Bepop and Rocksteady, and he doesn't hate the old cartoon. He just didn't like it when it went all kiddy after the first season. Next Mutation on the other and he seems to hate, and same goes to Venus. And I can perfectly understand why.

**GK Punk** · 03-22-2004, 04:02 PM

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Actually, if I remember correctly, Kevin Eastman created Venus.

...Under pressure from Saban to add a female turtle. He was told to create the female or the show wouldn't have happened, as the story goes. or atleast as I've always heard it.

*cqb101* · 03-22-2004, 04:08 PM

Laird doesn't hate B+R....Venus on the otherhand....

And I can see why...She totally ruined the biggest part of the TMNT: they're suppose to be special, one of a kind....throwing a "sister" into it, takes all of the away.

**Karpo_007** · 03-22-2004, 04:14 PM

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Actually, if I remember correctly, Kevin Eastman created Venus.

...Under pressure from Saban to add a female turtle. He was told to create the female or the show wouldn't have happened, as the story goes. or atleast as I've always heard it.

Thats true, like Power Rangers, the TMNT needed have a female member. That was a condition by FOX. Eastman was less objected to the idea, but I have never heard that he would created Venus though.

Lisardo · 03-22-2004, 04:54 PM

I can see why Laird hates Venus. So then, who created her exactly?

GodzFire · 03-22-2004, 05:24 PM

B & R could easily be put into the new series if they were less comical and more serious. I know my dad would certainly enjoy seeing them again

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-22-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GodzFire

B & R could easily be put into the new series if they were less comical and more serious. I know my dad would certainly enjoy seeing them again

On that note, I think all three characters can easily fit into the new series. Bebop and Rocksteady could be either space bounty hunters or agressive mutant freeks, employed by eith Shredder or the Tricerations.

Venus could be a from that samurai rabbit's world (Forgot his name, sorry) Or she could be a mutant turtle as well (Though not the TMNT's sister), her origin could be either she was created by either the Utroms or Shredder, or was flushed down the toilet where she ends up coming into contact with the ooze that mutated Splinter and the other turtles.

Once their origins have been finished, all that remains to be improved is their fighting skills. Bebop and Rocksteady could both be violent, tearing apart practically everything they see with their teeth and claws. As for Venus, I'll be quick, if you've ever played Nightshade you'll get an idea.

*cqb101* · 03-22-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

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Originally Posted by GodzFire

B & R could easily be put into the new series if they were less comical and more serious. I know my dad would certainly enjoy seeing them again

On that note, I think all three characters can easily fit into the new series. Bebop and Rocksteady could be either space bounty hunters or agressive mutant freeks, employed by eith Shredder or the Tricerations.

Venus could be a from that samurai rabbit's world (Forgot his name, sorry) Or she could be a mutant turtle as well (Though not the TMNT's sister), her origin could be either she was created by either the Utroms or Shredder, or was flushed down the toilet where she ends up coming into contact with the ooze that mutated Splinter and the other turtles.

Once their origins have been finished, all that remains to be improved is their fighting skills. Bebop and Rocksteady could both be violent, tearing apart practically everything they see with their teeth and claws. As for Venus, I'll be quick, if you've ever played Nightshade you'll get an idea.

She can't come from Usagi's world because it's all mammals.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-22-2004, 06:13 PM

I thought it was a world of animals?

*cqb101* · 03-22-2004, 06:19 PM

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I thought it was a world of animals?

Nope, only mammals.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-22-2004, 06:21 PM

Oh, well then I guess we'll have to stick with the mutant turtle origin.

Relay · 03-22-2004, 07:07 PM

The real question is: why do you like Venus so much???

*ZariusTwo* · 03-22-2004, 07:24 PM

[quote="Jarrah White"]

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Originally Posted by GodzFire

Venus could be a from that samurai rabbit's world (Forgot his name, sorry) Or she could be a mutant turtle as well (Though not the TMNT's sister), her origin could be either she was created by either the Utroms or Shredder, or was flushed down the toilet.

I say she's flushed down the toilet, is exposed to the mutagen, she goes topside, and gets decaptiated by The Shredder

03-22-2004, 02:18 PM	#1
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Bebop, Rocksteady and Venus. I have a question, why does Laird hate these three characters so much?

03-22-2004, 02:24 PM	#2
Utrom Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Krypton Posts: 169	Peter Laird just dosn't like Venus. I don't think he actually hates Bebop and Rocksteady; he just dosn't want them to be a part of TMNT continuity. __________________ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

03-22-2004, 02:43 PM	#4
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Did anyone even actually LIKE venus for that matter? just kidding. As a cartoonist, I can see where he stands on the characters. I don't know if he hates Beeb and Rock, but Venus is a justifyable disgust. They (Saban? Fox Kids? Some guy in marketing?) added a character to something he and Kevin created totally ruining the four character yin yang they set up. Lets say there was a fourth stooge who didn't really do anything. he doesn't add much, just takes away from the others. A number of times I wrote little fan fic type comics, and I stupidly added an extra character to something, and it totally threw off the balance of the others. Besides that, he didn't create her (did he? I'm prob'ly out of the loop). As for bebop and rocksteady... well... I do know a lot of comic purists hate those 2. I like them, but in the aspect of the classic TMNT series. I don't think characters like that would work in the comic book or the new series. I think that Peter doesn't want them to leave the arch of the 1980's cartoon, since that was their niche. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

03-22-2004, 02:47 PM	#6
Ryan Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Bend Posts: 113	He helped to create Bebop and Rocksteady, so I doubt he hates them. Like with what the others were saying, they would not really fit in with the new series. Now, there could be some hidden references down the line. With Venus, I think they had less to do with Next Mutation. Venus was added as to give girls a reason to watch a show that they probably would not normally watch. I on the other hand know a bunch of girls who loved the Turtles way before Mutation. Ryan __________________ I heart Turtles. Wakka Wakka Wakka!

03-22-2004, 04:08 PM	#10
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	Laird doesn't hate B+R....Venus on the otherhand.... And I can see why...She totally ruined the biggest part of the TMNT: they're suppose to be special, one of a kind....throwing a "sister" into it, takes all of the away. __________________ Facebook

03-22-2004, 02:41 PM	#3
Taloniss Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,819	He doesn't hate B & R so much as think that they wouldn't fit into anything but the old show. He hates Venus because she's ruined an important aspect of the TMNT mythos. Those would be my guesses.

03-22-2004, 03:40 PM	#8
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	No he does not hate Bepop and Rocksteady, and he doesn't hate the old cartoon. He just didn't like it when it went all kiddy after the first season. Next Mutation on the other and he seems to hate, and same goes to Venus. And I can perfectly understand why.

03-22-2004, 04:54 PM	#12
Lisardo Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 702	I can see why Laird hates Venus. So then, who created her exactly? __________________ "Look I'm not gonna stop doing what's right just because it's not appreciated." -Leo

03-22-2004, 05:24 PM	#13
GodzFire Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sewers Posts: 292	B & R could easily be put into the new series if they were less comical and more serious. I know my dad would certainly enjoy seeing them again

03-22-2004, 06:13 PM	#16
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	I thought it was a world of animals?

03-22-2004, 06:21 PM	#18
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Oh, well then I guess we'll have to stick with the mutant turtle origin.

03-22-2004, 07:07 PM	#19
Relay Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cacalacky Posts: 400	The real question is: why do you like Venus so much???