Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 15: City At War

*Vicky82* · 08-14-2016, 01:09 AM

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April faces a deadly, new enemy when she graduates to full Kunoichi; the Turtles must deal with the return of some old foes.

Yay we are back after a long hiatus.

The Turtles are back and back in New York, Karai returns and she has a new friend Shinigami.

The Episode is up on I Tunes.

Redworld96 · 08-14-2016, 02:54 AM

Watched it. It's the first episode of season 4 I have really enjoyed from the beginning to the end.

Spoiler:

JH24 · 08-14-2016, 03:06 AM

^ It's great to hear you both enjoyed the episode. Makes me excited for it.

I'm beginning to realize now how much I've missed this series. The Space Arc certainly had some good episodes, but I'm just glad we're back in New York.

~~The_Walkman~~ · 08-14-2016, 03:21 AM

YES!!! Awesome!! Hyped you dawgs enjoyed it.

GONNA be watching it all day 2morrows

*Vicky82* · 08-14-2016, 03:31 AM

Shredder pics, i'll put under spoilers.

Spoiler:

*Fang Wolf* · 08-14-2016, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Shredder pics, i'll put under spoilers.

Spoiler:

Yeah, Shredder is back.
That was good EP

*Powder* · 08-14-2016, 05:38 AM

This one just did not do it for me. How are you gonna name an episode after arguably the greatest TMNT story ever told & have it focus on her many abilities & insecurities? I realize it's an homage in name only, but c'mon, save that for something else. April is straight up OP. I'm glad Raph had something to say about it, at least. I've really come to dislike the liberties this show sometimes takes with respect to X kicking Y's ass for the sake of plot convenience. April besting Tigerclaw, Shinigami besting all 4 turtles & April, just generally turning villains into pushovers (& super goofy ones, at that), etc. Some of it can be explained away or even justified but in this case it felt forced. Splinter's secret technique is a kick to the groin?

"Right in the fur-pouch!" was pretty funny, anyway. Shredder is that badly messed up from Splinter's frenzy in the last episode? I re-watched the fight, it's not one I'd have expected Saki to be in critical condition over, let alone requiring mutagen to get better/live. Their temporary housing is cool, very familiar. Can't place it just yet.

It did bring some interesting things to the table, such as Shinigami (whose design I love, I am curious to see what she does), Karai trying to take lead of The Foot Clan, & the potential for more interaction between her & Splinter. I enjoyed seeing the return of ICK & Cheesicles, too. I dunno, maybe this had some hype to live up to, in my mind, after the long ass hiatus & infamous episode title, & it didn't quite meet the mark. I guess I can expect at least a little more of the same, considering the opening revealed that the Elite Guard I was so excited to see, are robots.

Oh well, just glad it's back. Can't wait to see what comes as a result of Shredder's absence.

~~The_Walkman~~ · 08-14-2016, 05:41 AM

YO POWDA. I DonT GET IT?

STOP WHINING ABOUT THE TV SHOW. THEY PUT WORK INTO IT, UNLIKE YOU AND YO LYFE BOI.

ELITE GUARD ROBOTS ARE OFF DA CHAIN. CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM IN ACTION. BETTER THAN BEING HUMAN TRASH BAGS

*Vicky82* · 08-14-2016, 03:00 AM

Holy **** that was awesome.

Shinigami is awesome
Loved the fights in this episode especially the 1 on 1 fights.
ICK is cute as always
The Dragons tail

April isn't as powerful yet as she couldn't beat Shinigami. Also Raph said there are 7 more grades to do.
Shredder and his henchman have abandoned the old lair and in a new lair outside the city, which is a nice house.
Super Shredder is coming.

*GoldMutant* · 08-14-2016, 09:47 AM

Wow... just wow, I don't know if I should be angry, happy, or just fed up. So many emotions of positive and negative, but for the first time in ages, time to talk Nick Turtles.

First up, the good: the fight scenes, especially April vs Shinigami, were really good. Frantic and chaotic, something I feel that was missing from the space arc.

Outside the action though, there's really not too much I can say was great. The interaction between the team was cute prior to Shinigami's entrance in addition to April hugging Splinter, there was slight foreshadowing with the city's great criminals in competition, and if anything else the direction of Karai is decent. Finally, Karai gets an actual story... after nearly two seasons of near nothing.

As for negatives, in my opinion it feels with so much plot progression, it's trying to be better than the space arc. Unfortunately, though it's certainly better than the majority of said arc, it relies heavily on plot convenience from Earth's Last Stand and retreading previous plots to say "Hey, you remember this?" Material like that annoys me, and nowhere is that more apparent than April now a kunoichi and Shredder on the death bed.

Discussing April is one of the most difficult topics of the Nick series to me, some welcome the changes, some don't. Even with Raph's remark of higher levels, I have to agree with Powder: April is borderline OP. Despite my mention of the fight with Shinigami, it feels that April's abilities vary in quality, there's no actual limit. Now for her to kick Tiger Claw in the groin (seriously Splinter?) and beat him... what? Even with April having control somewhat over her psychic abilities, why is she a kunoichi when it's barely been mentioned ever since Kraang Conspiracy? (if there's a more recent mention, correct me)

As for Shredder, the only reason I buy his injuries is Splinter's technique hitting several vital organs. Otherwise, it is literally forced.

Overall, it's certainly not City at War as of this time, it just feels like a name drop to get in an audience. The episode just feels there for me, not bad, not good but more mixed than anything. It's a good open to returning to New York, but even with new concepts it feels like the old is taking a step back. About a 6/10 or a 6.5 at best for me.

Also, Shinigami's cool, just not a fan of the witch hat and wish she had more to do. Maybe next time.

Brandwin · 08-14-2016, 01:26 PM

When can this episode be watched on Nickelodeon website? Dropped cable, but got a Roku and friends cable logon, so just curious when I will be able to watch. Thanks.

*shredder orokusaki* · 08-14-2016, 02:36 PM

So this foolish little girl took control of my old lair! But not for long! Tigerclaw with tear her apart! SHE WILL PAY FOR WHAT SHE DID TO ME! MUHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*neatoman* · 08-14-2016, 02:55 PM

So did April use the Dragon's Tail incorrectly or is the technique reallt just a kick in the balls? Because it would be hilarious if that was the case.

*TigerClaw* · 08-14-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

So did April use the Dragon's Tail incorrectly or is the technique reallt just a kick in the balls? Because it would be hilarious if that was the case.

Yep, it's gotta be a kick between the nuts, even Donnie states that it is.

Zatoichi · 08-14-2016, 03:08 PM

Yeah, that is the 2nd or 3rd time that has happened to poor Tiger Claw. He should really wear a cup.

*TigerClaw* · 08-14-2016, 03:12 PM

Donnie says "The Dragon tail! Right in the fur patch!"

Aaronardo · 08-14-2016, 03:27 PM

Aaaaaaagh. Everyone (well, basically Powder) beat me to it. Yeah this episode was definitely more solid than most of the space arc, however that's not saying much. The episode was on the right track with the interactions between the Turtles, Splinter, and April at the beginning. But then clashing plot points happened. This episode was so confused as to what it wanted to be, it barely used any plot from the arc it's literally named after.

And yeah, Shredder's beatdown wasn't THAT bad. He was literally kicked a bunch of times in the air in Showdown and chomped up by a mutant alligator in The Invasion and emerged with no problems, but punched couple of times by Splinter? He's on life support. Consistency, please.

One of the best episodes of season 4 so far. And that's just pathetic.

(Also idk about you guys, but the villain's hideout reminded me of the house Cap and Black Panther are in in the mid-credits scene of Civil War)

*CyberCubed* · 08-14-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo

One of the best episodes of season 4 so far. And that's just pathetic.
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Season 4 has been almost consistently good, so I don't see the problem.

*ssjup81* · 08-15-2016, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

So did April use the Dragon's Tail incorrectly or is the technique reallt just a kick in the balls? Because it would be hilarious if that was the case.

I doubt it, even though this is like the third time Tigerclaw's been hit in the nuts. April's much shorter than Tigerclaw. It probably connected there for that very reason. Let's say she was Rahzar's height, or even Donnie or Casey's height or something...it probably would've connected with his stomach or torso.

TheCollector · 08-14-2016, 11:15 PM

Okay but did anyone else notice how wolf man reminiscent Karai's lose of control mutation scene? Cause I loved that bit.

EDIT: Also, I very much prefer Shini being with Karai in the 2k12 eps they're in then I ever did Chaplin from 2k3.

View Poll Results: City At War
Shinigami is awesome and a bad ass.	32	47.76%
Dark April incoming.	17	25.37%
Love the new villains lair.	4	5.97%
Super Shredder incoming.	14	20.90%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

08-14-2016, 02:54 AM	#2
Redworld96 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 639	Watched it. It's the first episode of season 4 I have really enjoyed from the beginning to the end. Spoiler: -Karai's finally back! That's all we need -Shinigami is clearly an interesting character. I hope we're going to see her often. - So Shredder was really injured. And man that ending ..... hype! - I will talk about "Dark April" once the episode airs on Nick Last edited by Redworld96; 08-14-2016 at 05:30 AM.

08-14-2016, 03:31 AM	#5
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,801	Shredder pics, i'll put under spoilers. Spoiler: __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

08-14-2016, 03:00 AM	#9
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,801	Holy **** that was awesome. Shinigami is awesome Loved the fights in this episode especially the 1 on 1 fights. ICK is cute as always The Dragons tail April isn't as powerful yet as she couldn't beat Shinigami. Also Raph said there are 7 more grades to do. Shredder and his henchman have abandoned the old lair and in a new lair outside the city, which is a nice house. Super Shredder is coming. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments. Last edited by Vicky82; 08-14-2016 at 03:47 AM.

08-14-2016, 09:47 AM	#10
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	Wow... just wow, I don't know if I should be angry, happy, or just fed up. So many emotions of positive and negative, but for the first time in ages, time to talk Nick Turtles. First up, the good: the fight scenes, especially April vs Shinigami, were really good. Frantic and chaotic, something I feel that was missing from the space arc. Outside the action though, there's really not too much I can say was great. The interaction between the team was cute prior to Shinigami's entrance in addition to April hugging Splinter, there was slight foreshadowing with the city's great criminals in competition, and if anything else the direction of Karai is decent. Finally, Karai gets an actual story... after nearly two seasons of near nothing. As for negatives, in my opinion it feels with so much plot progression, it's trying to be better than the space arc. Unfortunately, though it's certainly better than the majority of said arc, it relies heavily on plot convenience from Earth's Last Stand and retreading previous plots to say "Hey, you remember this?" Material like that annoys me, and nowhere is that more apparent than April now a kunoichi and Shredder on the death bed. Discussing April is one of the most difficult topics of the Nick series to me, some welcome the changes, some don't. Even with Raph's remark of higher levels, I have to agree with Powder: April is borderline OP. Despite my mention of the fight with Shinigami, it feels that April's abilities vary in quality, there's no actual limit. Now for her to kick Tiger Claw in the groin (seriously Splinter?) and beat him... what? Even with April having control somewhat over her psychic abilities, why is she a kunoichi when it's barely been mentioned ever since Kraang Conspiracy? (if there's a more recent mention, correct me) As for Shredder, the only reason I buy his injuries is Splinter's technique hitting several vital organs. Otherwise, it is literally forced. Overall, it's certainly not City at War as of this time, it just feels like a name drop to get in an audience. The episode just feels there for me, not bad, not good but more mixed than anything. It's a good open to returning to New York, but even with new concepts it feels like the old is taking a step back. About a 6/10 or a 6.5 at best for me. Also, Shinigami's cool, just not a fan of the witch hat and wish she had more to do. Maybe next time. __________________

08-14-2016, 03:06 AM	#3
JH24 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 470	^ It's great to hear you both enjoyed the episode. Makes me excited for it. I'm beginning to realize now how much I've missed this series. The Space Arc certainly had some good episodes, but I'm just glad we're back in New York.

08-14-2016, 03:21 AM	#4
~~The_Walkman~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 21	YES!!! Awesome!! Hyped you dawgs enjoyed it. GONNA be watching it all day 2morrows

08-14-2016, 05:38 AM	#7
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	This one just did not do it for me. How are you gonna name an episode after arguably the greatest TMNT story ever told & have it focus on her many abilities & insecurities? I realize it's an homage in name only, but c'mon, save that for something else. April is straight up OP. I'm glad Raph had something to say about it, at least. I've really come to dislike the liberties this show sometimes takes with respect to X kicking Y's ass for the sake of plot convenience. April besting Tigerclaw, Shinigami besting all 4 turtles & April, just generally turning villains into pushovers (& super goofy ones, at that), etc. Some of it can be explained away or even justified but in this case it felt forced. Splinter's secret technique is a kick to the groin? "Right in the fur-pouch!" was pretty funny, anyway. Shredder is that badly messed up from Splinter's frenzy in the last episode? I re-watched the fight, it's not one I'd have expected Saki to be in critical condition over, let alone requiring mutagen to get better/live. Their temporary housing is cool, very familiar. Can't place it just yet. It did bring some interesting things to the table, such as Shinigami (whose design I love, I am curious to see what she does), Karai trying to take lead of The Foot Clan, & the potential for more interaction between her & Splinter. I enjoyed seeing the return of ICK & Cheesicles, too. I dunno, maybe this had some hype to live up to, in my mind, after the long ass hiatus & infamous episode title, & it didn't quite meet the mark. I guess I can expect at least a little more of the same, considering the opening revealed that the Elite Guard I was so excited to see, are robots. Oh well, just glad it's back. Can't wait to see what comes as a result of Shredder's absence.

08-14-2016, 05:41 AM	#8
~~The_Walkman~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 21	YO POWDA. I DonT GET IT? STOP WHINING ABOUT THE TV SHOW. THEY PUT WORK INTO IT, UNLIKE YOU AND YO LYFE BOI. ELITE GUARD ROBOTS ARE OFF DA CHAIN. CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM IN ACTION. BETTER THAN BEING HUMAN TRASH BAGS

08-14-2016, 01:26 PM	#11
Brandwin Mouser Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 7	When can this episode be watched on Nickelodeon website? Dropped cable, but got a Roku and friends cable logon, so just curious when I will be able to watch. Thanks.

08-14-2016, 02:36 PM	#12
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,509	So this foolish little girl took control of my old lair! But not for long! Tigerclaw with tear her apart! SHE WILL PAY FOR WHAT SHE DID TO ME! MUHAHAHAHHAHAHA __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

08-14-2016, 03:08 PM	#15
Zatoichi Thug Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 98	Yeah, that is the 2nd or 3rd time that has happened to poor Tiger Claw. He should really wear a cup. __________________ "Come get some."

08-14-2016, 03:12 PM	#16
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,160	Donnie says "The Dragon tail! Right in the fur patch!" __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

08-14-2016, 03:27 PM	#17
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Aaaaaaagh. Everyone (well, basically Powder) beat me to it. Yeah this episode was definitely more solid than most of the space arc, however that's not saying much. The episode was on the right track with the interactions between the Turtles, Splinter, and April at the beginning. But then clashing plot points happened. This episode was so confused as to what it wanted to be, it barely used any plot from the arc it's literally named after. And yeah, Shredder's beatdown wasn't THAT bad. He was literally kicked a bunch of times in the air in Showdown and chomped up by a mutant alligator in The Invasion and emerged with no problems, but punched couple of times by Splinter? He's on life support. Consistency, please. One of the best episodes of season 4 so far. And that's just pathetic. (Also idk about you guys, but the villain's hideout reminded me of the house Cap and Black Panther are in in the mid-credits scene of Civil War) __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

08-14-2016, 11:15 PM	#20
TheCollector Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 293	Okay but did anyone else notice how wolf man reminiscent Karai's lose of control mutation scene? Cause I loved that bit. EDIT: Also, I very much prefer Shini being with Karai in the 2k12 eps they're in then I ever did Chaplin from 2k3. __________________ Last edited by TheCollector; 08-15-2016 at 01:33 AM.