Did the 2012 succeed more than the 2K3 cause it gave fans 'what they wanted?' - Page 2

Slime State Alumni · 10-14-2013, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Don't forget that the new toyline was selling very well, even before the show debuted. Don't forget that Peter Laird got paid millions for the license. Don't forget that Playmates has held onto it, even through the rough times. What does this tell you? Nostalgia is never out of their mind entirely, and it may, in fact, be increasing.

Something that I've been noticing these days is that the conventional archetype of the Yuppy is becoming extinct. It was a product of an era where getting ahead in life was a matter of driving your car to some bloated corporation, and dressing and acting in accordance with how a rigidly-defined culture said. Similarly, media was limited to a few official channels. These days, gas is becoming prohibitively expensive, the ongoing expanse of Internet is dooming the conventional office environment, and there's an increase in work-from-home opportunities that mean you don't need to conform as much as you used to. Almost everyone owns a computer, and a phone that functions as one, and via these, they have access to a wider array of culture than their forebears. In essence, the new young professional class is what older generations would call "nerds." Nobody's got a legitimate claim that we shouldn't follow Ninja Turtles and the like, when we can make money just blogging about them. It would be foolish to think the business world is ignorant of these new developments.

Hrm some very interesting points. If you look at SDCC, it's basically a huge cash cow and seems to grow exponentially every year and businesses are definitely taking notice, especially the Hollywood movie industry.

Konchadunga · 10-14-2013, 03:42 AM

A shame those damned picketers, are, too. Any militant progressives here down to picket their churches?

*Donatello19* · 10-14-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaMan

I can only speak for myself, but for me I find it much better than the 03 series. Nick version seems more lively. 03 was bland to me.

Pretty much this.

Aaronardo · 10-14-2013, 03:11 PM

Other than the "thread should be locked" crack, I actually agree with CyberCubed. I right in the age range for the 2003 show but grew up with the 90's one. Why? Because I knew about the TMNT, but I didn't have Fox. Until they came to The CW, I couldn't watch their episodes!

Nickelodeon, however, is the FIRST kid's channel and therefore makes it very popular. Not only that, but getting off topic, the Nick Turtles is the second most popular show on the channel (losing to... well... you could probably guess who).

*Drose18* · 10-14-2013, 03:25 PM

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Other than the "thread should be locked" crack, I actually agree with CyberCubed. I right in the age range for the 2003 show but grew up with the 90's one. Why? Because I knew about the TMNT, but I didn't have Fox. Until they came to The CW, I couldn't watch their episodes!

Nickelodeon, however, is the FIRST kid's channel and therefore makes it very popular. Not only that, but getting off topic, the Nick Turtles is the second most popular show on the channel (losing to... well... you could probably guess who).

Is it Sanjay and Craig?

*Electric* · 10-14-2013, 03:42 PM

im sure being on Nick does have some impact, as well as the advertising, but just because its on a more poular network doesnt mean that thats only why people watch it. If the nick show sucked, people wouldnt watch it just for the network.

i think the new series is just a good balance of what a lot of fans like about tmnt. not too serious, not too goofy, aimed towards kids but enjoyable for anyone. its not flawless by far, but i think its done a good job so far

*BubblyShell22* · 10-14-2013, 03:57 PM

I agree with ElectricN here. It's got that great mix of seriousness and humor rolled into one not to mention a lot of homages to other incarnations of TMNT that are sprinkled throughout episodes. I can't wait to see what Easter Eggs this new season brings.

*CyberCubed* · 10-14-2013, 06:53 PM

Ironically enough the Nick show is very different from the original cartoon, so I don't see why it would give them what they wanted. The few elements they took (human Splinter, some elements with mutagen), is dwarfed by all the changes and new stuff they made.

Plus all the iconic elements of the original series, Bebop/Rocksteady and the original Krang/Technodrome...are all absent.

Also some characters they kept like Traag are totally different now that they might as well be a different character entirely.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-14-2013, 07:03 PM

Because they're creative enough to create something new based on original materials.

Think Joker, Bane and Catwoman from the Dark Knight movies. Same goes with Nick Splinter, April, Karai, the whole cast.

Leofan26 · 10-14-2013, 08:42 PM

Well, it's Nick. Let's face it, even though 2003 series had a lot going for it, good plots and serious elements, they had it in early times and lacked promotion for it. Nick tends to over advertise it's most popular shows, the only annoying thing is the breaks they give us

*snake* · 10-14-2013, 10:23 PM

Did Coola become Alliance?

Anyways, 2k3 wasn't advertised enough. Plus it was on 5 different channels at different times.

Slime State Alumni · 10-15-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Ironically enough the Nick show is very different from the original cartoon, so I don't see why it would give them what they wanted. The few elements they took (human Splinter, some elements with mutagen), is dwarfed by all the changes and new stuff they made.

Plus all the iconic elements of the original series, Bebop/Rocksteady and the original Krang/Technodrome...are all absent.

Also some characters they kept like Traag are totally different now that they might as well be a different character entirely.

It's a lot like the OT in spirit. What would be the point of literally redoing the OT beat for beat?

**Jester** · 10-15-2013, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Slime State Alumni

It's a lot like the OT in spirit. What would be the point of literally redoing the OT beat for beat?

It makes Cybercubed happy?

Sorry...no real reason. I agree with you. The only way yo keep it fresh is to change things...although some changes do seem unnecessary...like Pizza Face.

Slime State Alumni · 10-15-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It makes Cybercubed happy?

Sorry...no real reason. I agree with you. The only way yo keep it fresh is to change things things...although some changes do seem unnecessary...like Pizza Face.

I didn't mind the change they made to Pizza Face. Granted, I get why people are a little let down by the character design. Personally, I like it and look forward to him if he gets released as a toy (which I'm sure he will).

EDIT: Did anyone ever have the Food Fighters toys? It would've been awesome if they made Pizza Face look more like Private Pizza from that line. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kitkatio/6892224417/

**Jester** · 10-15-2013, 01:50 AM

The pepperoni eye patch is a nice touch.

Slime State Alumni · 10-15-2013, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

The pepperoni eye patch is a nice touch.

Switch out the military gear with a chef's uniform, like an apron and hat, and he would've been golden. Keep the eye patch though for obvious reasons.

alliance · 10-15-2013, 01:58 AM

2k3 Didn't give fans what they wanted....Period..

nick actually gives a f*ck..

**Jester** · 10-15-2013, 02:05 AM

You might not be old enough to know what this even is...but...

~~Leo656~~ · 10-15-2013, 11:43 AM

Yeah really. Take a leap, guy, you're f*cking boring.

For me, the simple fact there aren't stupid g*ddamn pizza jokes every 5 f*cking seconds means that the 2K3 show will likely remain my preference regardless of what else happens. I've been sick of that sh*t since I was 8.

I honestly think that the 2K3 show's greatest strength was that it tried to be completely different from the OT. We're in a different place now as a fandom; if a show came out back then that was a straight rehash/reimagining of the OT, I honestly think people would have dismissed it as lazy. As I recall, at the time everyone was high on the fact the franchise had kind of "grown up" with them, and the 2K3 show was hitting the notes everyone wanted *then*. Now we seem to be in a place where we want more whimsy, so the newer show feels more "right".

Things and people change. *I* for one still prefer a less juvenile TMNT cartoon that can almost stand next to Justice League/JLU etc. as far as tone and quality, and I also will take hand-drawn animation over CGI 99.999999% of the time. For *this* fan, the Nick show isn't hitting the right notes or "giving me what I want". Not that I don't like it, but if it were up to me it would be completely different in many ways. I don't like the April/Donnie thing, I don't like the never-ending "Mutagen Freak-Of-The-Week" thing, I don't like (and have NEVER liked) the pizza obsession, I don't like the way The Kraang talk, I don't like the (supposedly) "comedic" CGI sight gags... nothing that would make me not watch the show, but enough that I don't make it a *point* to watch it. I catch it when I catch it and that's good enough. But at the same time, I'm not the audience, the audience is 8-year-olds and it's designed for them. I get that.

But *some* of us didn't want a show reminiscent of the OT at all, so it's impossible to make any kind of blanket statement about whether the new show is "better" at "giving fans what they want". Some of us want different things, and that should be OK. 2K3 wasn't perfect, but it was better by far at giving me what *I* wanted to see. The only thing the new show is giving me that I like, is a new TMNT show. That's about it. I like that there's a TMNT show on TV. I kinda wish it wasn't this one.

*CyberCubed* · 10-15-2013, 11:49 AM

The funniest part of it all is how the OT wasn't based on mutant of the week storylines either, and most on subtle dry humor rather than visual gags.

The OT and Nick show are really nothing alike either.

10-14-2013, 03:42 AM	#22
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	A shame those damned picketers, are, too. Any militant progressives here down to picket their churches? __________________

10-14-2013, 03:11 PM	#24
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Other than the "thread should be locked" crack, I actually agree with CyberCubed. I right in the age range for the 2003 show but grew up with the 90's one. Why? Because I knew about the TMNT, but I didn't have Fox. Until they came to The CW, I couldn't watch their episodes! Nickelodeon, however, is the FIRST kid's channel and therefore makes it very popular. Not only that, but getting off topic, the Nick Turtles is the second most popular show on the channel (losing to... well... you could probably guess who). __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

10-14-2013, 03:42 PM	#26
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	im sure being on Nick does have some impact, as well as the advertising, but just because its on a more poular network doesnt mean that thats only why people watch it. If the nick show sucked, people wouldnt watch it just for the network. i think the new series is just a good balance of what a lot of fans like about tmnt. not too serious, not too goofy, aimed towards kids but enjoyable for anyone. its not flawless by far, but i think its done a good job so far __________________

10-14-2013, 03:57 PM	#27
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I agree with ElectricN here. It's got that great mix of seriousness and humor rolled into one not to mention a lot of homages to other incarnations of TMNT that are sprinkled throughout episodes. I can't wait to see what Easter Eggs this new season brings. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-15-2013, 01:50 AM	#35
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	The pepperoni eye patch is a nice touch. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-14-2013, 06:53 PM	#28
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,835	Ironically enough the Nick show is very different from the original cartoon, so I don't see why it would give them what they wanted. The few elements they took (human Splinter, some elements with mutagen), is dwarfed by all the changes and new stuff they made. Plus all the iconic elements of the original series, Bebop/Rocksteady and the original Krang/Technodrome...are all absent. Also some characters they kept like Traag are totally different now that they might as well be a different character entirely.

10-14-2013, 07:03 PM	#29
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Because they're creative enough to create something new based on original materials. Think Joker, Bane and Catwoman from the Dark Knight movies. Same goes with Nick Splinter, April, Karai, the whole cast.

10-14-2013, 08:42 PM	#30
Leofan26 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,306	Well, it's Nick. Let's face it, even though 2003 series had a lot going for it, good plots and serious elements, they had it in early times and lacked promotion for it. Nick tends to over advertise it's most popular shows, the only annoying thing is the breaks they give us

10-14-2013, 10:23 PM	#31
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Did Coola become Alliance? Anyways, 2k3 wasn't advertised enough. Plus it was on 5 different channels at different times.

10-15-2013, 01:58 AM	#37
alliance Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 328	2k3 Didn't give fans what they wanted....Period.. nick actually gives a fck.. __________________ 80's TURTLES MUCH COOLER THAN FORGOTTEN 4KIDS*

10-15-2013, 02:05 AM	#38
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	You might not be old enough to know what this even is...but... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-15-2013, 11:43 AM	#39
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah really. Take a leap, guy, you're fcking boring. For me, the simple fact there aren't stupid gddamn pizza jokes every 5 fcking seconds means that the 2K3 show will likely remain my preference regardless of what else happens. I've been sick of that sht since I was 8. I honestly think that the 2K3 show's greatest strength was that it tried to be completely different from the OT. We're in a different place now as a fandom; if a show came out back then that was a straight rehash/reimagining of the OT, I honestly think people would have dismissed it as lazy. As I recall, at the time everyone was high on the fact the franchise had kind of "grown up" with them, and the 2K3 show was hitting the notes everyone wanted then. Now we seem to be in a place where we want more whimsy, so the newer show feels more "right". Things and people change. I for one still prefer a less juvenile TMNT cartoon that can almost stand next to Justice League/JLU etc. as far as tone and quality, and I also will take hand-drawn animation over CGI 99.999999% of the time. For this fan, the Nick show isn't hitting the right notes or "giving me what I want". Not that I don't like it, but if it were up to me it would be completely different in many ways. I don't like the April/Donnie thing, I don't like the never-ending "Mutagen Freak-Of-The-Week" thing, I don't like (and have NEVER liked) the pizza obsession, I don't like the way The Kraang talk, I don't like the (supposedly) "comedic" CGI sight gags... nothing that would make me not watch the show, but enough that I don't make it a point to watch it. I catch it when I catch it and that's good enough. But at the same time, I'm not the audience, the audience is 8-year-olds and it's designed for them. I get that. But some of us didn't want a show reminiscent of the OT at all, so it's impossible to make any kind of blanket statement about whether the new show is "better" at "giving fans what they want". Some of us want different things, and that should be OK. 2K3 wasn't perfect, but it was better by far at giving me what I wanted to see. The only thing the new show is giving me that I like, is a new TMNT show. That's about it. I like that there's a TMNT show on TV. I kinda wish it wasn't this one.

10-15-2013, 11:49 AM	#40
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,835	The funniest part of it all is how the OT wasn't based on mutant of the week storylines either, and most on subtle dry humor rather than visual gags. The OT and Nick show are really nothing alike either.