The designs of the Turtles is proof to never trust Kevin Eastman

[snake]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Still not helping your case.

Snakeyes actually LOOKS like a ninja and uses ninja-like weapons the majority of the time.

Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros do not based on their outfits for the movie.

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by snake

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes.

Because Bay has a hard-on for the military.

I would have even settle for a faithful update of, say, the classic look from the first movie.

Maybe even something similar to the 2007 Foot Clan. Those guys looked awesome, modern AND still looked like the Foot.

What's wrong with letting Ninjas look like ****ing Ninjas?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by snake

Exactly, since when have batons like the one possibly in the picture relate to ninja weapons?

Batons are a martial art weapon used in many different forms. its a melee weapon similar to an escrima stick

You guys are thinking to literal ninjas to you mean dude wearing traditional gi using only swords and knives when in fact traditional ninjas used EVERYTHING as a weapons, sticks, stone. think of a collapsible baton as a modern escrima stick(which ninjas would most likely use)

That is how the baton related to MODERN ninjas

what i see when i see one foot from this movie

Wearing black, concealed identity, wrapped fists and knuckles, wear mobile clothing good protection, and carrying melee weapons while many do have guns, Guns are no more then updated blow pipes for crossbows, or sling shots or bows or any other ranged weapon. Some are carrying tofa a traditional military weapon and well as a traditional martial arts weapon

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Still not helping your case.

Snakeyes actually LOOKS like a ninja and uses ninja-like weapons the majority of the time.

Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros do not based on their outfits for the movie.

Bull have you read the comics he use both style of weapon equally with what ever suits his needs like a real ninja would.

Originally Posted by snake

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes.

Have you seen how many different types of foot there are the OT were robots who used lazer rifles for god sakes how is this any more outlandish then that have paramilitary ninjas.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Because Bay has a hard-on for the military.

I would have even settle for a faithful update of, say, the classic look from the first movie.

Maybe even something similar to the 2007 Foot Clan. Those guys looked awesome, modern AND still looked like the Foot.

What's wrong with letting Ninjas look like ****ing Ninjas?

who to say they wont still be in the movie. Seeming as we have evidence that there will most definitely have Japanese tradition just leads me to believe the military part was needed for said scene and as far as what we know this is the only scene we even have evidence of the foot existing.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Have you seen how many different types of foot there are the OT were robots who used lazer rifles for god sakes how is this any more outlandish then that have paramilitary ninjas.

Whooooooops.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

http://i.imgur.com/851fZR5.png?1

Whooooooops.

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

...yes. Yes I have seen the show.

And the point of this picture, that you've missed, is that EVEN THE ORIGINAL CARTOON FOOT CLAN used more ninja-like weapons than Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros.

[snake]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

Have you? Plus the ones that do use guns in the OT are severally outnumbered by the ones who don't.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by snake

Have you? Plus the ones that do use guns in the OT are severally outnumbered by the ones who don't.

already posted a picture its in the very intro of the show them running with laser rifles and that's how there mostly depicted

[snake]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

already posted a picture its in the very intro of the show them running with laser rifles and that's how there mostly depicted

Expect when they aren't and they have swords and spears. Which is 90% of the time.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by snake

Expect when they aren't and they have swords and spears. Which is 90% of the time.

Don't use facts. It ruins his argument!

[voltron80]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Yes but Megan Fox is relevant to this discussion because her casting is such an obvious thing to happen in movie produced by Michael Bay - people were joking about her playing April as soon as we heard his company was producing it. It shows a complete lack of imagination.

Not to mention her inclusion brings to mind the other 80s property that Bay handled and Megan Fox starred in. I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry if TMNT will go the way of Bay's Transformers movies....all other indications are that it will be worse.



It's not a case of getting an actual Japanese voice actor although I thought Mako was great in the animated movie but rather the character who is essentially race-less has always been portrayed as a Japanese-esque wise master of martial arts. Unless Woodburn is an actor with a greater range than his previous roles have shown it seems he's likely charged to play Splinter like he's played every other role he's had.



If we'd had internet culture back then Barron signing on to direct may have been met with a negative reaction but bare in mind in 1989 hardly anyone conceived that a TMNT movie could be done with even a semi-mature tone. When we all saw the movie - he proved that it could be done.

Now that we know it can then it's natural we'd look at the resumes of those making this new movie and see the odds aren't good of getting something of that quality.



The turtles have plenty of non-ninja antagonists themselves but the Foot are their primary ones and have always been a ninja clan. In fact it's very important to the TMNT's entire story.

If they wanted to do a movie were the turtles fight the military then they could have either gotten Bishop and his Black Ops guys on come up with an original military group rather than altering the most important villains the of the franchise.



I'll never understand why people advocate waiting for a trailer given that trailers are notoriously deceptive.

I've said this before but we don't need to have all the jigsaw pieces in place to figure out what the finished picture will be. In fact studios rely on that hence why they allow the people involved to give interviews, release concept art, designs and trailers. It's all to hype us up and convince us the movie is great before we've seen it.

The lack of any of the above at the last stage in the game is troubling and it's natural to think that perhaps that we don't have any of that stuff because they know that in this instance we wont care for it. Especially when you consider the information we do know about this movie is having the effect of us rolling our eyes.

1. I looked up the first Transformers movie and that movie got mostly positive reviews and I generally thought it was a decent movie as for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen you take that up with the writers. By the way Transformers G1 fans are notorious for hating on anything that's not from that era. As for April outside the first movie what was April role in the other turtles movie? In Turtles 2 she let them stay at her apartment and deliver the challenge from the Shredder. In Turtles 3 Turtles rescued her and role got cut fast and TMNT she found Leo but didn't tell the other turtles and told the Turtles who Max Winters was. BTW Sarah Michelle Gellar was in both Scooby Doo movies, just saying.

2.I forgot about "TMNT" but using your point against you the voices of the earlier Splinters one voiced Muppet and other puppet voices and the other one had four roles two in the same movie, then Splinter and recently the Darkness II(really good game by the way) the only one that had long acting resume was Mako.

3. Using the director argument against the other person: While Steve Barron had success with the first turtles flick he also got the crappy "Coneheads" movie and super ****** The Adventures of Pinocchio on his directing resume. Not bashing Steve Barron but folks using"well, well the director sucks" argument opens you up to that counterpoint. Secondly how do you know what direction the movie is going? All I got from this movie are pictures of guys in mo cap suits, Megan Fox in a yellow jacket other on set pictures and leak designs nothing about the plot or origin.

4. As for the Ninja vs military thing,I view it as once again as people trying to use as an excuse to prove their hate for this movie. Do you think it's possible these guys had ninjitsu training along with their military training, in times they have to use hand to hand combat?

5. Again you gave me another opening here, I hope the Godzilla fan isn't reading your comment about trailers, because using your logic for all you know it could be a stinker like the 1998 movie and they only selected the best parts to put in the trailer to get that fan base all jacked up. But I expect you will say well that's different.

Again if you don't want to see it fine stay home no one is begging you to go, but don't try to talk people down who might be interested. As for we what you mean 'we,' kemosabe anytime I see someone expressing some hope for this movie they're either a plant or whatever.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by voltron80

1. I looked up the first Transformers movie and that movie got mostly positive reviews and I generally thought it was a decent movie as for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen you take that up with the writers. By the way Transformers G1 fans are notorious for hating on anything that's not from that era.

What does this have to do with Megan Fox being a bad actress? She is. She's even said she's not a good actor herself.
http://io9.com/5290263/megan-fox-tra...e-about-acting

2.I forgot about "TMNT" but using your point against you the voices of the earlier Splinters one voiced Muppet and other puppet voices and the other one had four roles two in the same movie, then Splinter and recently the Darkness II(really good game by the way) the only one that had long acting resume was Mako.

And just because some of the Splinters in the past weren't voiced by Japanese men, doesn't mean he shouldn't EVER be voiced by Japanese men. This was the perfect time to get a great Japanese actor to voice Splinter, but Bay and company aren't interested in quality.

3. Using the director argument against the other person: While Steve Barron had success with the first turtles flick he also got the crappy "Coneheads" movie and super ****** The Adventures of Pinocchio on his directing resume. Not bashing Steve Barron but folks using"well, well the director sucks" argument opens you up to that counterpoint.

You know IMDB is free right? He directed the original Turtles movie BEFORE he directed Coneheads and Pinocchio. 3 years before Coneheads and 6 years before Pinocchio. Jonathan Liebesman has yet to direct a good movie.

4. As for the Ninja vs military thing,I view it as once again as people trying to use as an excuse to prove their hate for this movie. Do you think it's possible these guys had ninjitsu training along with their military training, in times they have to use hand to hand combat?

Which remains to be seen. But most of us here are literally only saying they look terrible and don't look at all like the Foot Clan probably should look like. And it's a shame that the Black Ops Military Bros who apparently were also trained in Ninjutsu can't even be bothered to carry any kind of ninja weapons but instead use guns and maybe sometimes tactical batons. Real shame that.

5. Again you gave me another opening here, I hope the Godzilla fan isn't reading your comment about trailers, because using your logic for all you know it could be a stinker like the 1998 movie and they only selected the best parts to put in the trailer to get that fan base all jacked up. But I expect you will say well that's different.

Oh yes, there's absolutely a chance the new Godzilla will be bad. But, unlike nearly everything about this new TMNT movie, everything I've personally seen so far looks very, very good. Including the trailers.

Which is the point people who are negatively reacting to this movie are trying to make. Nearly everything we've seen SO FAR does not look good.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

What does this have to do with Megan Fox being a bad actress? She is. She's even said she's not a good actor herself.
http://io9.com/5290263/megan-fox-tra...e-about-acting



And just because some of the Splinters in the past weren't voiced by Japanese men, doesn't mean he shouldn't EVER be voiced by Japanese men. This was the perfect time to get a great Japanese actor to voice Splinter, but Bay and company aren't interested in quality.



You know IMDB is free right? He directed the original Turtles movie BEFORE he directed Coneheads and Pinocchio. 3 years before Coneheads and 6 years before Pinocchio. Jonathan Liebesman has yet to direct a good movie.



Which remains to be seen. But most of us here are literally only saying they look terrible and don't look at all like the Foot Clan probably should look like. And it's a shame that the Black Ops Military Bros who apparently were also trained in Ninjutsu can't even be bothered to carry any kind of ninja weapons but instead use guns and maybe sometimes tactical batons. Real shame that.



Oh yes, there's absolutely a chance the new Godzilla will be bad. But, unlike nearly everything about this new TMNT movie, everything I've personally seen so far looks very, very good. Including the trailers.

Which is the point people who are negatively reacting to this movie are trying to make. Nearly everything we've seen SO FAR does not look good.

And, so what? Don't like it, don't watch it. Keep crying and bitchin about it isn't going to change a damn thing. Geesh, damn nerdy crybabies.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

And, so what? Don't like it, don't watch it. Keep crying and bitchin about it isn't going to change a damn thing. Geesh, damn nerdy crybabies.

Ahhh, there it is again.

The patented "if you've got anything at all negative to say about the things that have been released involving a movie, you're a damn nerdy crybaby" play.

I love it. Absolutely love it.

[Jester]

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?


"Got very boring."

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Ahhh, there it is again.

The patented "if you've got anything at all negative to say about the things that have been released involving a movie, you're a damn nerdy crybaby" play.

I love it. Absolutely love it.

Hey, I hated the idea of Sean Astin voicing for Raph in the new toon, so guess what, I haven't watched one show because of my disgust, I've actually been absent from this place for a couple of years now. I was brought back because of my interest in the movie. Michael Bay is my favorite director and I loved what he did with the Transformers, and I love Megan Fox too, she can't be any worse than the Aprils we already had. But, I am still skeptical and I'm just going to wait for the trailer, but I just know when I am going to like something. Kind of like when I saw just some photos of the new Captain America movie coming out, I just knew I am going to be loving this one come April.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Jester

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordp...le-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

"Mhm."

"Yep."

"Yeah."

"Uh huh."

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Jester

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordp...le-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

But what's the point of bitchin? It's not going to change anything.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

but I just know when I am going to like something.

Oh yes mmmmm delicious irony. Sweet, juicy irony.