Official Movie Poster

[Candy Kappa]

http://www.thebacklot.com/alan-ritch...rview/11/2013/

On page 2 the interview is about TMNT, if this is a real interview and not a fabrication. Gotta say, I am not impressed. Of course the Fred Wolf Raph was smiling a lot, he isn't the hothead character most associate Raphael.


But I guess we know sort of what kind of Raph we'll get in this movie. The one dimensional hotheaded brooder. Maybe the scrip haves Raph more nuanced, but I doubt it seeing the turtles carries they're bare basic archetype on their costumes.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

It actually was kind of bad really. The movies were good and tobeys an ok enough actor but if I had to tell you what kind of character peter parker/spider-man is based on his performance id say he was an overwhelmed sometimes depressed stoic silent type. Yes its true that sometimes peter can be overwhelmed and down on himself but most of the timehe's a pretty happy go lucky guy with a quick wit and great sense of humor. Say what you want about the amazing spiderman but at least it got spidey right. Maybe maguire would've benefitted from doing some research.

I agree i personally like Amazing spider-man better but for the sake of the argument that every one on the production of tmnt movie aren't fans fans dont always work on great movies, But as i posted earlier there are alot of fans working on this movie. people who many on here say aren't fans and are wrong when saying they aren't

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

http://www.thebacklot.com/alan-ritch...rview/11/2013/

On page 2 the interview is about TMNT, if this is a real interview and not a fabrication. Gotta say, I am not impressed. Of course the Fred Wolf Raph was smiling a lot, he isn't the hothead character most associate Raphael.


But I guess we know sort of what kind of Raph we'll get in this movie. The one dimensional hotheaded brooder. Maybe the scrip haves Raph more nuanced, but I doubt it seeing the turtles carries they're bare basic archetype on their costumes.

Seriously Dude That what your get out of that interview????

Originally Posted by Alan Ritchson

So I had everything that I needed to create that character there. So I didn’t actually rely so heavily on somebody else’s perspective of Raphael twenty years ago, which to be honest like many of the cartoons like, this dude is smiling a lot. You know, they all look the same and there is so a much greater level of like, individual personality in this new reboot, you know that we haven’t seen before. So there wasn’t a lot for me to relate to, but I don’t know if people will understand where I am coming from, maybe until they see it, I don’t know.

Yeah that sounds real one dimensional .

[Candy Kappa]

"You know, they all look the same and there is so a much greater level of like, individual personality in this new reboot."

Basically they got new threads in the reboot cause the turtles looked the same, yeah I got it.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

"You know, they all look the same and there is so a much greater level of like, individual personality in this new reboot."

Basically they got new threads in the reboot cause the turtles looked the same, yeah I got it.

your not looking at the WHOLE quote your focusing on what you want to and adding your own negativity to it it ridiculous

So I had everything that I needed to create that character there. So I didn’t actually rely so heavily on somebody else’s perspective of Raphael twenty years ago, which to be honest like many of the cartoons like, this dude is smiling a lot. You know, they all look the same and there is so a much greater level of like, individual personality in this new reboot, you know that we haven’t seen before. So there wasn’t a lot for me to relate to, but I don’t know if people will understand where I am coming from, maybe until they see it, I don’t know.

Hes talking about how the previous Versions looked all the same they obviously don't look the same even WITHOUT the clothing so your turning his word into something they aren't

And why create a character and then talk about individualization if they're just going to be doing it visual that doesn't take any work on his part.

[Candy Kappa]

Of all the turtles, Raph is the most different from the most recognized versions. Fred Wolf Raph is snarky and a comedian, 1990 Raph had a more act first ask later attitude with a anger issue, 4Kids Raph was a mental hothead acting out in fury quickly.

The interview As a whole regarding TMNT wasn't very impressive, seemingly no interest of researching his character cause he "already know" Raph and he'll do fine cause he played a comic character before. By all means, Alan don't need to do any research, if the director and the script is strong enough most of the work is already done for him. And all he needs to do is recite his lines and look good doing it add some charm like good actors do.

[Fatal5150]

[jcarter]

That looks good

[NYShell]

Spoiler:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3...upshottag2.jpg

Kind of reminds me of http://images4.alphacoders.com/784/78488.jpg

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by NYShell

Spoiler:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3...upshottag2.jpg

Kind of reminds me of http://images4.alphacoders.com/784/78488.jpg

Yep, that's the base image.

It's a very good manip.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by Bob

Actors don’t have to research roles at all, TBH. Particularly roles that have typically had so many versions to draw inspiration from. Their only source, more or less, should be the script. They could research their characters if they want, but I’m sure it’s neither a condition nor a necessity. Fans have a particularly harder time than others understanding that. What would be the point of William Fichtner "researching" Shredder, when he's pretty much playing a new version of the character. Toby Maguire, for example, went on record saying that he knew next to nothing about Spider-Man when he was cast in the first film.

I do agree that the screenwriter(s) and director should definitely do research beforehand and during. But actors? No. Not needed. I'm sure some would just use Ritchson's very honest admission as an excuse to bemoan further about something they know nothing about (actors apparently needing to research roles).

That's what seperates good actors from great actors. Great actors from legendary actors. You care about what you do? Research the role, the character so you can be the best damn version of them! I know it's not a necessity for the actor but great actors, legendary actors BECOME that character. Heath ledger WAS the joker. Shia lebeouf took acid and filmed himself acting. Did what he could so he could play Charlie countrymen correctly. It's that extra mile that separates you and makes a huge difference in overall product. A great actor can shine in the worst of movies.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by NYShell

Spoiler:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3...upshottag2.jpg

Kind of reminds me of http://images4.alphacoders.com/784/78488.jpg

I thought so too. It doesn't look nearly as bad as the poster we saw. No where near as busy.

[Galactus]

http://www.thebacklot.com/alan-ritch...iew/11/2013/2/

Here's the link to the interview for people to read themselves unedited.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Wrong i was just going to ignore your post but people on this forum are so quick to assuming no one on this production as and investment in this franchise other then Pure greed for their paycheck. He never said he didn't Watch the show or movie he said and I quote Alan Ritchson

He mentions the comics specifically seemingly because he was talking about bringing a previous comic book character to life. I don't think many would come a way from that interview thinking he was more than vaguely aware of other media of the TMNT.

That may or may not be a bad thing depending on your view but considering that he had claimed to be a fan and gave the impression he read the comics and watched the movies and TV show it is kind of irksome to read this.

He just felt he didn't have to read the comics there are plenty other sources he could have used a research. And he even said i hope im not offending anyone.

That wasn't what he was saying at all in the interview. The point he's trying to make is that "everyone" knows that Raphael is the hot headed one of the group there's no need to delve into why other versions portrayed that.

His interview betrays that he hasn't seen much of the other versions or intends to. Obviously Raph wasn't a hothead in the '80s animated series, the turtles weren't overly smiley in the movies to its credit each version has portrayed each turtle with as being very different to the other I highly doubt this movie will portray that better beyond their designs. Also no version of TMNT that the titular characters have ever an overriding of sense "abandonment or betrayal".

Now I'm not blaming Richson - or indeed any of the actors for not bothering to do any research. I'm sure the concepts of TMNT sound like complete nonsense to them and I doubt the script requires them to really delve into their characters. In that sense it sounds like Richson at least is putting more thought into this version of Raphael that it deserves but in an era were Hollywood is getting writers and directors and actors delving into the rich history of franchises and putting care and consideration on how they are reinterpreted on the big screen it's a bit sad that we're getting "well it's got sewers and pizza" - it's TMNT.

"The assumptions, everything you read online is wrong."
Alan Ritchson.

Ah but it wasn't wrong was it?

The turtles were going to be aliens, Shredder was going to be a yellow alien masquerading as military General called Schrader.

I appreciate that this may have changed by the time he became involved and that he may be talking about the general feeling that this movie will end up being terrible and an unfaithful representation of the franchise. I'm sure he feels differently but based on the above he's not the best one to judge.

.these projects stay in development for a long time. Therefore different drafts are written, where people (writers) go in different directions and sometimes stray from the source material. I'm a massive fan of the Ninja Turtles: I had all the toys, I watched all the cartoons all the time when I was a kid. So when I came onboard, I wanted to make sure that the core things of the mythology remained.

(Continuing) so in terms of pleasing the fans and remaining faithful to the source material of the Ninja Turtles, I think people will not be disappointed at all. All I can say is that it will be a Ninja Turtles movie. It's going to be a really GREAT Ninja Turtles movie!"

Evan Daugherty Screen writer for tmnt.

Richson claimed in a red carpet interview that he was a fan that had read all the comics and watch the shows and so on and then it turned out he wasn't such a big after all so I'm not too accepting of someone else saying that.

He also seems to be working from memory as opposed to doing any research. Certainly the existence of Eric Sachs character seems to be a very big and important deviation. Then again the only concrete thing stated about this movie and how it stays faithful to the mythology is that it has pizza and sewers.

“Look, it’s so funny—if everyone was such a die-hard fan, they would know that the TCRI canisters where the ooze comes from. That is alien ooze. Now I’m not saying what Michael said is exactly what the movie is, because we’re sitting in a room now figuring everything out. So we don’t know, but we are like Michael said: we’re expanding it, and the expansion will be true to the mythology. I promise you: fans will love it.”

“Whatever mythology we’re building on or expanding is coming from that guy, Kevin Eastman’s head, who created the Turtles in the first place. And so everything will tie in with the mythology; fans will be extremely excited with what we’re coming up with. A lot of it is stuff he’s wanted to do for a long time, but just hasn’t had the opportunity because now we have the budget and things on this film to expand it in the right way. And so, I’m happy that everyone is extremely passionate, and they will not be disappointed. It’s all coming from the best possible place for this franchise.”

“We’re definitely into the action, but for me what’s more important than that is that it’s a story about brotherhood and friendship and responsibility. Right now, I’m with the characters because those are what attracted me to the movie. They’re the best characters I’ll have had a chance to deal with.”
Jonathan Liebesman

Sure doesn't sound like he knows anything about tmnt.

I remember when this quote came out and finding it unintentionally funny.

I guess he wasn't aware that by that point Michael Bay had publicly confirmed that the turtles were going to be aliens but was being rewritten and here was Liebesman as good as saying that it wasn't true and it was always supposed to be the ooze - we'd just jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Also the rest of the comments aren't too dissimilar to what the designer of the turtles recently made about how the designs are based on Eastman and Laird's designs and I think we can all agree those aren't really Kevin and Peter's designs.

Sure never seen the Original show or movies in order to make the comparison that "Its always had a Bouncy cartoon Feel" but you know just saying.

You're reaching with this. He doesn't have more than a vague recollection of stuff he glanced at decades ago - his most clear memory of the TMNT is their bath tub toys.

Not that he has to have any knowledge of any prior version given he's playing a very new very different character than has been featured in TMNT.

As for Will Arnett How is his character that much different beside not being scared all the time and work with instead against her. He always was the Camera Guy, he always was there for comedy.Ireally don't see much of a difference in character and especially not from a couple interviews and photo of the set

I'd say not being a coward and not being in competition with April are pretty big deviations for Vernon's character - that was pretty much Vernon in a nutshell. Also being something of an action ready guy is another big deviation.

It's strikes me if they were canny they could argue that this version of Vernon is based on how he was characterized in the first few episodes of the Fred Wolf show were he was no more a coward than the other Channel 6 crew and somwhat supportive of April but obviously neither he or the creative staff are aware of that. Arnett himself has stated his character is very different from the one found in the comics...well Vernon wasn't in any of the comics but Arnett doesn't need to know that.

Im just saying #1 Not all people working on a film have to be fan of the franchise 100% it cant work that way some people just aren't in that demographic. This doesn't mean they cant perform well and make a great movie. Look at the original Spiderman trilogy Man of the people who worked on that were not fans. As I said above Tobby refuses to read the comics, does that mean his performance is bad? No

I'm not saying they do have to be fans or have any kind of reverence for the source material but these guys have none. What few concessions they've made is seemingly at the behest of Viacom because of the media backlash to their original movie.

Tobey Mcguire never struck me as a good Peter Parker. Sam Raimi was of a fan the silver-age era Spider-Man and that shows but he wasn't a fan of Venom but not only did the studio pushed for that character in the third movie and the fans loved the idea so he did it to please them and it turned out to be terrible.

Since then we've had a wave of comic book movies that do translate quite faithfully from print to screen with actors and directors that have delved into the franchise history and I think they've been very successful because of that. The alterations are mostly either well thought out or understandable - not all but most. TMNT is sadly not going to be on that level.

[TrickOrTreater]

“Look, it’s so funny—if everyone was such a die-hard fan, they would know that the TCRI canisters where the ooze comes from. That is alien ooze. Now I’m not saying what Michael said is exactly what the movie is, because we’re sitting in a room now figuring everything out. So we don’t know, but we are like Michael said: we’re expanding it, and the expansion will be true to the mythology. I promise you: fans will love it.”

You know what else is REALLY funny that us die-hard fans know, Jonathan?

Shredder is a Japanese man named Oroku Saki. And not a middle aged white guy named Eric Sachs.

Isn't that HILARIOUS?

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

You know what else is REALLY funny that us die-hard fans know, Jonathan?

Shredder is a Japanese man named Oroku Saki. And not a middle aged white guy named Eric Sachs.

Isn't that HILARIOUS?

Mah sides hurt!

[chrisdude]

I don't get the fuss with Ritchson researching Raphael. I think he makes a fine case for essentially starting from scratch.

He’s known as the angry hothead of the group. He is quick tempered and is quick to act. He is less thoughtful of people’s feelings and emotions and consequences.

That's pretty much everything about the character that has persisted through the years. The turtles are archetypes that have been taken in so many different directions that there's hardly barely anything nailed down. He could research the "source material." But what is that, anyway? The original comics? Or the cartoons and movies that his viewers have actually seen, but are all way different? I feel that if there is ever an acceptable instance in which to build on the framework of a character, TMNT is it.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

He mentions the comics specifically seemingly because he was talking about bringing a previous comic book character to life. I don't think many would come a way from that interview thinking he was more than vaguely aware of other media of the TMNT.

That may or may not be a bad thing depending on your view but considering that he had claimed to be a fan and gave the impression he read the comics and watched the movies and TV show it is kind of irksome to read this.

How do you get that I just get how you can assume that he has now idea about the Turtles other then so basic common knowledge base on what he is saying. To me all the evidence is there. Plus in a red carpet interview he says he “grew up with the turtles” meaning he was most likely a fan of the TV show and Movies.

Originally Posted by Galactus

That wasn't what he was saying at all in the interview. The point he's trying to make is that "everyone" knows that Raphael is the hot headed one of the group there's no need to delve into why other versions portrayed that. .

He did say that But in a interview he did say he grew up with the turtles, how can you do that not have a vague idea of who they Are I grew up with the turtle and by that I mean I watch then bought them wish I was one, and I have been a fan for a long time. That what he said in the interview.

Originally Posted by Galactus

His interview betrays that he hasn't seen much of the other versions or intends to. Obviously Raph wasn't a hothead in the '80s animated series, the turtles weren't overly smiley in the movies to its credit each version has portrayed each turtle with as being very different to the other I highly doubt this movie will portray that better beyond their designs. Also no version has ever had the turtles with overriding of "abandonment or betrayal".

I do not see how you can make that assumption. To me it says hey there have been multiple version I have seen multiple versions on one hand we know that the turtle and cartoony and smiley on the other hand like the movie Raph is dark and more aggressive.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Now I'm not blaming Richson - or indeed any of the actors for not bothering to do any research. I'm sure the concepts of TMNT sound like complete nonsense to them and I doubt the script requires them to really delve into their characters. In that sense it sounds like Richson at least is putting more thought into this version of Raphael that it deserves but in an era were Hollywood is getting writers and directors and actors delving into the rich history of franchises and putting care and consideration on how they are reinterpreted on the big screen it's a bit sad that we're getting "well it's got sewers and pizza" - it's TMNT.

Again I just don’t see ANY evidence to back up anything of what you are saying what so ever. To me it seems you want to believe what you want to Believe. You hear him say one thing and assume he means another same goes for everyone else on the project.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Ah but it wasn't wrong was it?
The turtles were going to be aliens, Shredder was going to be a yellow alien masquerading as military General called Schrader.
I appreciate that this may have changed by the time he became involved and that he may be talking about the general feeling that this movie will end up being terrible and an unfaithful representation of the franchise. I'm sure he feels differently but based on the above he's not the best one to judge.

But It’s not, The script has changed And it obvious they know a certain amount about At least the OT show to use character from it, Why would they do that and not know anything about the tmnt????, They have said several time the script was not what they were working and it Obvious it’s not what the direction there currently going. There are still people who think the turtles are aliens and won’t listen to reason that they aren’t anymore Had a long argument with one on another site about this still doesn’t believe they’re not aliens

Originally Posted by Galactus

Richson claimed in a red carpet interview that he was a fan that had read all the comics and watch the shows and so on and then it turned out he wasn't such a big after all so I'm not too accepting of someone else saying that.

As far as I have been able to Find he Never Said any of that in the red carpet Interview I have found and seems to be the only one.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...-mutant-439723
This seems to be the only Red carpet TMNT video of Alan As far as I can find. And in it all he says is “I grew up with the turtles” Not I have consumed everything turtles. I grew Up which to me Can mean the same thing as it pertains to Me I grew Up watching the show and movie I didn’t even know about the Comic till Later (as I was to young to read them)

Originally Posted by Galactus

He also seems to be working from memory as opposed to doing any research. Certainly the existence of Eric Sachs character seems to be a very big and important deviation. Then again the only concrete thing stated about this movie and how it stays faithful to the mythology is that it has pizza and sewers.

I know No one want to hear it But as Far as Eric Sachs We don’t know the whole story We know what we think the story should be and that it There could and probably will be a reason given. This does not mean he doesn’t know the mythology just means that in this particular version something different one that we do not know yet.

Originally Posted by Galactus

I remember when this quote came out and finding it unintentionally funny.
I guess he wasn't aware that by that point Michael Bay had publicly confirmed that the turtles were going to be aliens but was being rewritten and here was Liebesman as good as saying that it wasn't true and it was always supposed to be the ooze - we'd just jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Exactly Michael bay doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about. That doesn’t mean the people working closer to the production don’t. At the time of Michael Bay Speech Maybe he miss understood or miss spoke Happens all the time. And he did come back and fix his statement later. So I think that was just a huge misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Also the rest of the comments aren't too dissimilar to what the designer of the turtles recently made about how the designs are based on Eastman and Laird's designs and I think we can all agree those aren't really Kevin and Peter's designs.

I See this is one place where I can half the internet disagrees with you. They all look like how they’re supposed to IMO and many others. I have shown this picture to tons of different people and their reaction “is sweet looks good, looks like the turtles”. On just about any Comic book website on the internet people are pretty much all in agreement save a few people. So I don’t see how they all that much different from the design beside few cosmetic changes.

Originally Posted by Galactus

You're reaching with this. He doesn't have more than a vague recollection of stuff he glanced at decades ago - his most clear memory of the TMNT is their bath tub toys.

Not that he has to have any knowledge of any prior version given he's playing a very new very different character than has been featured in TMNT.

I’m just saying he at least know about the turtle and is intrigued with the idea of playing this Character William is a Great actor and not a stupid one. I doubt he would go into something he thought would fail.

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'd say not being a coward and not being in competition with April are pretty big deviations for Vernon's character - that was pretty much Vernon in a nutshell. Also being something of an action ready guy is another big deviation.

To me from the information I got was that he may somehow overcome some of his anxieties and then become the “courageous” character he is talking about.

Originally Posted by Galactus

It's strikes me if they were canny they could argue that this version of Vernon is based on how he was characterized in the first few episodes of the Fred Wolf show where he was no more a coward than the other Channel 6 crew and somwhat supportive of April but obviously neither he or the creative staff are aware of that. Arnett himself has stated his character is very different from the one found in the comics...well Vernon wasn't in any of the comics but Arnett doesn't need to know that.

Im not saying it is but this could be a miss communication on his part or I could be wrong. But he obviously know that thought his character is different it’s different from something and I would guess he knew what that other something was

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'm not saying they do have to be fans or have any kind of reverence for the source material but these guys have none. What few concessions they've made is seemingly at the behest of Viacom because of the media backlash to their original movie.

I just think we lack the full scop of what they’re doing. Who knows maybe when they start doing press we will cometo find that all of them where given home work to watch the old show start to finish and watch all the movies we don’t know. And I admit that that’s kind of on their part because they haven’t even started their promotional campaign for this movie and I hope it starts soon.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Tobey Mcguire never struck me as a good Peter Parker. Sam Raimi was of ythe silver-age era and that shows but he wasn't a fan of Venom but the not only did the studio pushed for that character in the third movie and the fans loved the idea so he did it and it turned out to be terrible.

That because he really dislikes the character and that why they Went with Sandman and why he was focused more on in this movie is because he thought sandman was a better villain, Which is bull most fans would pick Venom Way before Sandman but any way.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Since then we've had a wave of comic book movies that do translate quite faithfully from print to screen with actors and directors that have delved into the franchise history and I think they've been very successful because of that. The alterations are mostly either well thought out or understandable - not all but most. TMNT is sadly not going to be on that level.

I for one still have Quite a lot of faith left in this movie I have Been skeptical of a lot of things and I admit I’m a very open minded person when it comes to adaptations so I will most likely enjoy this movie regardless, But I have a feeling that it will meet my expectations what Im hoping I will see. I was super excited when DB movie started work and fallowed it through production and thought I still wish to see a more faithful adaptation someday (maybe sooner rather than Later) I still enjoyed Evolution for what it was and I don’t care what anyone says the final Battle was totally DB and DBZ it just kinda stunk it wasn’t like that all the way through.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

You know what else is REALLY funny that us die-hard fans know, Jonathan?

Shredder is a Japanese man named Oroku Saki. And not a middle aged white guy named Eric Sachs.

Isn't that HILARIOUS?

How old is shredder?

[Leo656]

I disagree that actors don't need to or "shouldn't have to" research roles. If you're a professional, it's what you do, if for no other reason than consistency, *especially* if you're doing a character that others have done before. You absolutely want to bring your own angle to it, but it's completely wrong not to do SOME research. It's disrespectful to others who have already done it, it's almost like saying "I don't need to see how they did it, because in being fresh and original, my take will be better." It's not *really* saying that, but it's implicit.

Even as a wrestler, I'm required to study tape. And only partly to see how other guys do moves. I'm playing a character, a role, and to properly perform that character, I'm told by veteran wrestlers and the matchmakers - the "directors and producers", so to speak - I need to watch how certain people perform. IF I want to be considered "professional" and take my job seriously. For my character, I watch matches of guys like Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, and beyond that, the on-stage performances of singers and rock stars like Axl Rose and David Lee Roth. I take little bits of all that, and it becomes MY character. I don't get a crowd reaction by having a better suplex than the next guy, I get it by using my body language to manipulate the audience. In other words, I'm an actor, executing a role, and studying tape and doing research to further develop my character and better entertain the audience.

There's no reason "real" actors in big-budget films can get by with "It's a 'new take', I don't have to research the character." That's nonsense. If you were playing Romeo or Juliet, for example, shouldn't you read the f*cking book? Seriously.

[TrickOrTreater]

Everyone and their mother loves to bring up the example of Heath Ledger's Joker in regards to bad casting choices actually being good, so let's do it again.

You know what Heath did prior to filming?

He locked himself in a hotel room for a month, reading all the Joker material he could find. He spent the entire time perfecting the voice and the mannerisms of the Joker he was portraying.

He kept a diary full of Joker cutouts from comic books and lists upon lists of things the Joker would find funny.

THAT is a level of dedication I doubt these actors in this movie are even remotely capable of.

Heath took it seriously and gave it his all. Like an actor. Like a GOOD actor.

Hell I wouldn't even ask THIS level of dedication of these actors in this movie. Just that they at least give a ****.