What would your version of TMNT II (1991) be like? - Page 3

slingtheory · 02-20-2014, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Dunno if you mentioned these because of this but an interesting fact is that SOTO was originally going to have both of those things. The professor was going to be revealed to be an utrom. B&R were looked at for the mutant roles but ultimately deemed far too costly to make, which is when they asked Kev & Pete to design some new ones (though I'm sure Kev is the one who came up with Tokka & Rahzar).

The way I heard it they created tokka and rahzar as compromise with the because the really really didn't want bebop and rocksteady in the movies. Ever.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 02-21-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I have no idea, specifically, how TMNT II should have gone, but I definitely would have appreciated something that felt more like a logical follow-up to the first, especially since it they ostensibly only took place a few days apart. It feels like an entirely different universe altogether, and I think that's what drags it down in comparison to the first. The conflicting tone, more than anything content-wise.

Actually, I think it was more like a few MONTHS after the first. April had a new apartment and had clearly been there for at least long enough to get to know a couple of her neighbors. (IE- the couple she talks to at the door about her "aerobics" just before she gets home at the beginning.) At the end of the first, they had only JUST returned to New York after their retreat, and her old apartment and shop had been burned down as they were originally fleeing the city. They battled Shredder that same night that they returned. (Hence why they spent the night in the trashed lair.)

There IS however, one major plot gaffe in TMNT II: namely, if April really HAD been there long enough to find, furnish, and even get comfortable in her new digs, why was Shredder only just then "reviving" at the garbage dump? So, he- what? Lay there unconscious for months? Under a pile of trash? That part never made sense to me. If I'd make any change at all, it would have been to fix it so that his return clearly happened sometime earlier than what was shown- at least that way we could see that he was simply rebuilding his strength and forces during the time April was settling into the new place.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-21-2014, 07:56 PM

Not much change really. Three things probably would be it.

1. I like Razhar and Tokka alright but am I am curious what Bebop and Rocksteady would have been like in the film.

2. The construction site leading straight into the nightclub always stuck me odd. I would have had the mutants falback into the nightclub across the street.

3.Maintain the weapons use.

4. Show Super Shredder surivived. That could have prevented two movies with no made for movie villain. Why make up a villian for a film instead of incorporating the villains?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 02-21-2014, 08:17 PM

I thought it was obvious that the club was next to the construction site? That made sense, actually, because space to build is always at a premium in NYC. The club might have been in the seedier part of town (as evidenced from all the graffiti outside, and the fat it was called the "Dockshore Club", and was literally ON the docks) and it's fairly obvious that the Foot fall-back spot was already established as a new base. (Which in itself is weird, since if several months had passed- per April's new apartment and obvious frequent interactions with both Keno and the neighbors during that time- why were they only just reaching it? And then later Keno tells the Turtles they're recruiting fighters. WTF?! They only JUST regrouped after several months, and they're already recruiting again?! Another major plot gaffe, now that I think on it!)

Another minor change I'd make would be to clearly show that several days passed while the pair of animals were mutating, and that Perry had done something to contaminate the process. I would like to know where Casey was during all this, but he's not essential to the story, and in fact, it's possible they could have just explained it with a "he's out of town" line or two.

Lose a little of the cheese factor in the fights in favor of actual fighting and use of the weapons, and maybe make the mutants (and Shredder) more dangerous, and you'd have a movie worthy of the original. Also, it's interesting that Perry disappeared so fast- what happened to him? I'd like to have some small scene showing that, better than the throw-away line on April's broadcast at the end with the note delivered tot he station. Maybe he could be revealed to have been mutated himself accidentally when he retrieved the last canister after it was knocked out of Shredder's hand? What if it cracked and was leaking? He could encounter one of the "mythical" NY sewer alligators and become Leatherhead! Which would not only make a cool origin for the iconic mutant, but also explain why he's so intelligent and science-oriented.

*Warhorse* · 03-02-2014, 09:10 PM

More weapon use (doesn't necessarily have to be in a fight, but a show off kind of like Mikey had with his nunchucks in the first movie)

And, they didn't have to use their weapons to kill, but simply disarm their opponent. It's weird, but it seemed like Keno got better fight scenes than the Turtles did.

02-21-2014, 07:56 PM	#43
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Not much change really. Three things probably would be it. 1. I like Razhar and Tokka alright but am I am curious what Bebop and Rocksteady would have been like in the film. 2. The construction site leading straight into the nightclub always stuck me odd. I would have had the mutants falback into the nightclub across the street. 3.Maintain the weapons use. 4. Show Super Shredder surivived. That could have prevented two movies with no made for movie villain. Why make up a villian for a film instead of incorporating the villains? __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

02-21-2014, 08:17 PM	#44
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I thought it was obvious that the club was next to the construction site? That made sense, actually, because space to build is always at a premium in NYC. The club might have been in the seedier part of town (as evidenced from all the graffiti outside, and the fat it was called the "Dockshore Club", and was literally ON the docks) and it's fairly obvious that the Foot fall-back spot was already established as a new base. (Which in itself is weird, since if several months had passed- per April's new apartment and obvious frequent interactions with both Keno and the neighbors during that time- why were they only just reaching it? And then later Keno tells the Turtles they're recruiting fighters. WTF?! They only JUST regrouped after several months, and they're already recruiting again?! Another major plot gaffe, now that I think on it!) Another minor change I'd make would be to clearly show that several days passed while the pair of animals were mutating, and that Perry had done something to contaminate the process. I would like to know where Casey was during all this, but he's not essential to the story, and in fact, it's possible they could have just explained it with a "he's out of town" line or two. Lose a little of the cheese factor in the fights in favor of actual fighting and use of the weapons, and maybe make the mutants (and Shredder) more dangerous, and you'd have a movie worthy of the original. Also, it's interesting that Perry disappeared so fast- what happened to him? I'd like to have some small scene showing that, better than the throw-away line on April's broadcast at the end with the note delivered tot he station. Maybe he could be revealed to have been mutated himself accidentally when he retrieved the last canister after it was knocked out of Shredder's hand? What if it cracked and was leaking? He could encounter one of the "mythical" NY sewer alligators and become Leatherhead! Which would not only make a cool origin for the iconic mutant, but also explain why he's so intelligent and science-oriented. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

03-02-2014, 09:10 PM	#45
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	More weapon use (doesn't necessarily have to be in a fight, but a show off kind of like Mikey had with his nunchucks in the first movie) And, they didn't have to use their weapons to kill, but simply disarm their opponent. It's weird, but it seemed like Keno got better fight scenes than the Turtles did.