What would your version of TMNT II (1991) be like?

[Night Watcher]

http://www.batman-online.com/forum/i...p?topic=2282.0

I was looking through this website and was surprised by how much they took from the mirage comics and it got me thinking. If they had done the same thing with second film, what influence would you have wanted to see from the comics? I know back then parents had a problem with the first films violence but just imagined the producers didn't have those restrictions and just continued with the first films tone.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

More Vanilla Ice baby!!! LOL! Just kidding. I actually like the second movie and I guess the one thing I wish it had more of was more Super Shredder. It's like he mutates and then dies like 5 seconds later. I always thought Super Shredder was the coolest thing ever when I was little. So I would want more of him.

[Shark_Blade]

- Not goofy/overly childish.
- As dark and gritty as the first movie.
- Actually using their weapons
- Shredder actually dangerous, pose a threat and actually fighting
- Sad emotional scene (e.g. Raph and Splinter/campfire moments)
- epic final battle
- I don't mind no Casey Jones

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

- Not goofy/overly childish.
- As dark and gritty as the first movie.
- Actually using their weapons
- Shredder actually dangerous, pose a threat and actually fighting
- Sad emotional scene (e.g. Raph and Splinter/campfire moments)
- epic final battle
- I don't mind no Casey Jones

You didn't think Super Shredder was dangerous or you just were like me in saying you would want more of him? For the record, I think the first movie is the greatest version of the Turtles ever on film. Including all the series and all the movies. I'm sure most here feel that way though huh?

[AquaParade]

I would have loved for Steve Baron to come back and basically adapt issue #4 of the Mirage comics along with his own spin on things. If he had to merge in a bit of Saki's return as the worm creature from "Return to New York", well...that would have been alright with me.

[Powder]

It's very tempting to say I'd have liked Baron to come back and do an even more Mirage inspired film... but ultimately, I'm glad we got what we got. It's kinda like the first film is based on the comics, and the second is more in line with the OT. & despite that, the one flows into the other almost seamlessly. It makes perfect sense that after the events of the first film, the turtles would feel like they could finally relax and be more carefree. With April getting them accustomed to the NY lifestyle above ground, there's no reason to question why they'd be more goofy & childlike, because they're truly happy now.

[Leo656]

Keep Kevin Nash, and scrap the rest.

Nah, j/k. Although I would keep Nash, but more of an "enforcer" type. Think The Russian in "Punisher". He should be in everything. He's just so damn huge and intimidating up close, he's perfect for those Unstoppable Monster roles in movies. Super-Shredder was a waste of his talent, but to be fair, it was the first thing he ever did, and under that helmet, he had a really stupid-looking mohawk at the time.

I have no idea, specifically, how TMNT II should have gone, but I definitely would have appreciated something that felt more like a logical follow-up to the first, especially since it they ostensibly only took place a few days apart. It feels like an entirely different universe altogether, and I think that's what drags it down in comparison to the first. The conflicting tone, more than anything content-wise.

Except Vanilla Ice. That really had nothing to do with anything. I hate when movies get horribly dated because producers insist on stunt-casting some flavor-of-the-minute celebrity. Doesn't kill the movie, it's just annoying. Macy Gray in "Spider-Man", I'm lookin' at you.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Powder

It's very tempting to say I'd have liked Baron to come back and do an even more Mirage inspired film... but ultimately, I'm glad we got what we got. It's kinda like the first film is based on the comics, and the second is more in line with the OT. & despite that, the one flows into the other almost seamlessly. It makes perfect sense that after the events of the first film, the turtles would feel like they could finally relax and be more carefree. With April getting them accustomed to the NY lifestyle above ground, there's no reason to question why they'd be more goofy & childlike, because they're truly happy now.

Well put, Powder. I too enjoy SOTO for what it is. Some great family moments there, the voice acting is still solid, and the suits look great.

I still wish Baron would have returned but Secret of the Ooze is cool.

[CyberCubed]

Doing the Utrom/Triceraton story in a movie would have been a disaster. I don't even want to think of how cheesy the special effects would look like with the Turtles in out of space. Plus the general public doesn't want to see the Turtles in space fighting aliens.

The first movie basically adapted issue 1, Raph micro, Leo micro, issue 10-11 and Return to New York (sorta).

I would have liked to see Baxter and the Mousers in the second movie, but other than that it makes no difference from what we got.

[snooz]

for the sake of nostalgia, i wouldn't change anything. As a kid, I loved the first movie, but i REALLY loved the 2nd movie. I was born in 87, so comics were not a part of my TMNT obsession. What I really loved was the cartoon, and the 2nd movie definitely more like the cartoon.

I can throw on any of the 3 movies or the earlier seasons of the OT and enjoy it, but my first choice is the 2nd movie.

[Candy Kappa]

I'd just add a better final fight scenes. Maybe do a bit more competent fight choreography with the Foot.

That Perry was supposed to be an Utrom is cool and all, but it just seemed like a sudden M. Night twist. Nothing was ever hinted at that he was a squid alien piloting a robotic body. And changing TCRI to TGRI kinda makes Utroms irrelevant in the movie-verse, and it's a lot to digest for one movie already dealing with multiple mutants and the return of the Foot.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I'd have a similar plot, but the tone of it would match the first movie and Steve Barron would be back as director. Throw Casey back into the mix (or at the very least, give a reason as to why he's missing) and replace Tokka and Rahzar with Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I would've kept that same basic plot, except-

-Tone would've been more like the first movie, less goofy cartoony fights, more first movie ninja-like action.

-rocksteady and bebop instead of tokka and rhazar. dumb but dangerous psycos instead of babies.

-baxter stockman in place of jordan perry, manevolent scientist willingly helping shredder, instead of turtle friend.

-longer super shredder fight.

and that's about it

[The Fifth Turtle]

Originally Posted by Powder

It's very tempting to say I'd have liked Baron to come back an an even more Mirage inspired film... but ultimately, I'm glad we got what we got. It's kinda like the first film is based on the comics, and the second is more in line with the OT. & despite that, the one flows into the other almost seamlessly. It makes perfect sense that after the events of the first film, the turtles would feel like they could finally relax and be more carefree. With April getting them accustomed to the NY lifestyle above ground, there's no reason to question why they'd be more goofy & childlike, because they're truly happy now.

This is a cool way of looking at the trilogy. It definitely has this kind of feeling. Nothing beats the first in my book.

[Coola Yagami]

It wasn't that bad. It just needed minor tweaks.

-Keep the weapons
-make Shredder and Super Shredder actually fight
-normal Tokka and Rahzar. Either make them monsterous or talk... I just didn't really like the baby thing
-Bring back Casey or at least mention him in passing, like where was he or what? It was like he didn't exist in the sequel.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

It's very tempting to say I'd have liked Baron to come back and do an even more Mirage inspired film... but ultimately, I'm glad we got what we got. It's kinda like the first film is based on the comics, and the second is more in line with the OT. & despite that, the one flows into the other almost seamlessly. It makes perfect sense that after the events of the first film, the turtles would feel like they could finally relax and be more carefree. With April getting them accustomed to the NY lifestyle above ground, there's no reason to question why they'd be more goofy & childlike, because they're truly happy now.

Exactly. If you REALLY watch the first movie, other than the fact that Raph nearly died, swore a bit, and they had to come with terms that Splinter might be dead, they were pretty much silly and goofy throughout the movie. Most of their fighting, except for Raph against all the Foot and the fight with Shredder, were full of OT shenanigans. Their silly goofy selves in the sequel weren't that far off from the original.

[John Pannozzi]

Stick with Peter Laird's ideas.

[FlawedCoil82]

I would have just let them use their weapons a lot more and had Shredder actually fight them again. I think the only punches he threw were at the pillars holding up the dock. He threw Leonardo but that was the only "harm" he physically put on them. A wimp Shredder who didn't fight (along with the weapons being forbidden) slaughtered that movie.

[Tora]

If I had to change it...

I would have had Eddie Murphy cast as Stockman and Gary Busey as the Rat King. Stockman's Mousers are on the lose robbing banks and creating havoc when out of the blue they stumble into the Rat Kings lair. The Rat King is enraged by this and decides to go after Stockman and the city of New York with a subdued Splinter. The Turtles must get Splinter back on their side and stop both baddies from destroying the city.

[Anton Chigurh]

Busey as Ratking is genius.