Has Guardians of the Galaxy already won August

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

So I watched the Guardians of the galaxy trailer today while waiting for Captain America 2 to start, and i'm still not sold on it.

I'll go to see it. I'll be there in the cinema, but I'm not looking forward to it.

[chrisdude]

Generally, I favor the admirable, virtuous heroes, not the ragtag band of rebels and crooks kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys only end up doing good in order to get their criminal records wiped, or something cliche like that. Doesn't mean it won't be a fun ride, though.

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

Generally, I favor the admirable, virtuous heroes, not the ragtag band of rebels and crooks kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys only end up doing good in order to get their criminal records wiped, or something cliche like that. Doesn't mean it won't be a fun ride, though.

I agree with you...but Hollywood has been on this trip for the past several years of anti-hero worship. Take characters that aren't normally associated with the hero role and make them the good guys...

Fast and Furious - illegal street racers/thieves turned heroes
Expendables - mercenaries for hire turned heroes
Wolverine - the ultimate anti-hero star of two solo films and pretty much the entire x-men franchise
...etc, etc.

Obviously not a new concept, but something about a good old fashioned hero that does the right thing because it's the right thing to do...a la Captain America that resonates differently.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

I agree with you...but Hollywood has been on this trip for the past several years of anti-hero worship. Take characters that aren't normally associated with the hero role and make them the good guys...

well technically wouldn't the Turtles fall under anti heroes...originally trained to go after and pretty much murder shredder only to later become heroes for the city

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

well technically wouldn't the Turtles fall under anti heroes...originally trained to go after and pretty much murder shredder only to later become heroes for the city

Very true...but Leo in many iterations has always subscribed to the code of the samurai, Bushido, making him more like a traditional hero in my eyes, than say someone like Raph, who though desires to protect others (like Wolverine) he has a brooding side that make him the 'anti'.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Doesn't give a **** about her? X-Men's plot was centered around her. She was second billing to Wolverine. She was a key plot point in X3. I wouldn't say she's been cast aside as irrelevant.

Now, she was definitely screwed up by merging her character with Kitty Pryde or Jubilee's traditional role to Logan. That sucked and I hate the wonky age differences for all the characters.

But I'm seeing Days of Future Past because I'm intrigued on their plan and path forward. The movie is a comic book style reboot. Time travel lets them alter events to their heart's content so the result of this film determines what we will see going forward.

They have Mark Millar as the coordinator like Whedon is for Marvel. They have supposedly had more Marvel reps on set for this film than any other. Wolverine is wearing blue/yellow in his futuristic suit. And this is the first X-Men film in the full post-Marvel Studios Hollywood.

I'm curious to see how much influence Marvel's success has on Fox going forward. You could see the costume influences starting in First Class, there's some more color in Future Past as well. I'm just waiting to see what they do.

The first films were before Hollywood believed the general audience would embrace comic book movies, so they went all serious and "realistic" on designs. They know otherwise now, but I commend them for taking this story driven reboot rather than straight up "scrap and reboot" method.

I'm just hoping they DO make some serious changes to the timeline for Apocalypse. We'll see....

Like i said, i just dont care anymore. The only x-men movie i like is x2, the rest i thought sucked. Including the beloved First Class. I havent even bothered watching the last wolverine movie and i highly doubt i am going to watch this latest installment. Hey, not everyone is going to be a fan of the movies and i just happen to be one of them.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

depends how the studio will handle it, but you'd be surprised..Look at sesame street and the whole Kevin Clash Issue

or even Dark Knight Rises and the Shootings

anything can sway the general public to hate something someone is attached too who they feel strongly against

On the other hand, look at Victor Salva. A proven pedophile who filmed and sexually molested the little boy who starred in his first film Clownhouse (was proven, arrested, and the court got the tapes). Guy only had to serve 15 months.

And then what happened? He did Powder, a film financed by Disney...as well as the two Jeepers Creepers movies. And the guy still gets to direct (for some reason).

Yeah, not the same thing as a guy who makes big $100 million + blockbusters, but it does show how Hollywood can sometimes turn a blind eye or be 'ignorant' or certain things...

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

On the other hand, look at Victor Salva. A proven pedophile who filmed and sexually molested the little boy who starred in his first film Clownhouse (was proven, arrested, and the court got the tapes). Guy only had to serve 15 months.

And then what happened? He did Powder, a film financed by Disney...as well as the two Jeepers Creepers movies. And the guy still gets to direct (for some reason).

Yeah, not the same thing as a guy who makes big $100 million + blockbusters, but it does show how Hollywood can sometimes turn a blind eye or be 'ignorant' or certain things...

I hate that. Not just Hollywood, but anyone who is filthy rich. They can get away with murder, rape, kidnapping, child abuse. Only thing they tend to get thrown in jail for is if it has something to do with money. Several years ago, we had a billionaire that was speeding and driving recklessly, and crashed into another car, which flipped over and into a lake or canal, and the college kid in the car drowned. What did the guy do? Did he call 911? No, he ran to the nearest bar to get drunk because in this state, if you kill someone while drunk, it carried a lesser sentence then if you were just crashing. In the end, he just got 15 months house arrest. But once he was out, he sicked his lawyers to go after the jury that convicted him, and now one is already in question, and if they find anymore dirt on other jury members, he might get the judge to just throw out the case and have it consider a mistrial.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

it would not surprise me , if this is now brought up because Singer has money

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

it would not surprise me , if this is now brought up because Singer has money

Well, they could have gone after him when he was even hotter during the post X2, pre Superman Returns era. All I know, is that he does have a morally questionable life style, and it was bound to catch up to him sooner or later.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I hate that. Not just Hollywood, but anyone who is filthy rich. They can get away with murder, rape, kidnapping, child abuse. Only thing they tend to get thrown in jail for is if it has something to do with money.

That's true. Wesley Snipes was in jail for a while because of tax invasion...aka Money. So there ya go, lol.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Generally, I favor the admirable, virtuous heroes, not the ragtag band of rebels and crooks kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys only end up doing good in order to get their criminal records wiped, or something cliche like that. Doesn't mean it won't be a fun ride, though.

I'd say "ragtag band of rebels and crooks" is definitely a fair description of the group, but the latter part about only doing good to wipe criminal records? I'll be highly disappointed if they go that route. It doesn't sound like them at all. These guys are genuinely good people, they just don't care about following the rules or staying within the law. I could see the movie having some kind of selfish incentive to get them involved with the "doing good" part of the plot, but unless they completely screw up the characters, it won't be their sole motivation for the entire film.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Like i said, i just dont care anymore. The only x-men movie i like is x2, the rest i thought sucked. Including the beloved First Class.

I liked the first for what it was, but I do have issues with it. Liked X2. Hated X3. Wolverine: Origins wasn't bad in the first half, then I don't even know what happened. It just went nuclear on itself. So much I can't understand the thought process behind.

First Class was....okay? Sorta? I mean, I came out of the theater liking it more than I expected to and I loved seeing classic 60s Magneto costume, but..... I also kind of didn't care about any of the characters. THAT is the movie I thought they would have rebooted with and First Class had been, y'know....the first class? Cyclops, Jean, Bobby, Hank, and Warren.

I havent even bothered watching the last wolverine movie and i highly doubt i am going to watch this latest installment. Hey, not everyone is going to be a fan of the movies and i just happen to be one of them.

I did like The Wolverine as a stand alone film. If you like the character, it's a worthwhile film and you can pretend the references to X-Men are comic applicable instead of film.

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

I'd say "ragtag band of rebels and crooks" is definitely a fair description of the group, but the latter part about only doing good to wipe criminal records? I'll be highly disappointed if they go that route. It doesn't sound like them at all. These guys are genuinely good people, they just don't care about following the rules or staying within the law. I could see the movie having some kind of selfish incentive to get them involved with the "doing good" part of the plot, but unless they completely screw up the characters, it won't be their sole motivation for the entire film.

I've not read much of them, but I've gotten the impression they are, in D&D terms, "chaotic good."

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

I've not read much of them, but I've gotten the impression they are, in D&D terms, "chaotic good."

More or less. Their personalities differ, with differing levels of good throughout. Rocket is probably the most selfish of the bunch, and Star Lord the most determined to do good, though I'd say Groot is probably the one person of the group who doesn't have an ounce of selfish bastard in him. He's just very faithful to his trainwreck of a racoon bestie.

I mean, even Tony Stark does good out of his own free will, and Tony fits right in with the Guardians in the comics I've read. He's practically an honorary member.

[chrisdude]

I've watched it multiple times, and I just fail to see what people see in X-Men 2. I find it incredibly boring. X-Men 3 was the first one I really liked - the first movie that actually felt like it was about the X-Men, instead of Wolverine, and all my friends hated it.

But I like First Class the most, by far. One of my favorite movies. And that's why I'm still excited about Days of Future Past, despite all the old characters coming back. Bryan Singer has already stated that the next movie follows the First Class cast, so I don't expect the original trilogy cast to dominate DOFP.

[Candy Kappa]

I find X2 to be the worst X-Men movie. Sure X3 was flawed, but it didn't screw up characters that bad as X2 did, they where just superfluous cameos placed all over the movies, and Origins was terrible sure, but that was just a bad Wolverine movie not a whole X-Men clusterf*ck.

But, I already dislikes the changes done to the story in Days of Future Past. Cause, we can't hVe a movie that doesn't have Wolverine being the main character... Screw Kitty, this is Logan's movie now.

[CyberCubed]

Wow I've never seen anyone said X-men 1 and 2 were bad and then praise X-men 3. Saying that on a major movie or X-men forum would get you burned at the stake.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I loved first class over the others, i saw it as a new slate to the Xmen world...

i liked every bit of it untill the end and just in case no ones seen it

Spoiler:

I did not like that they split magneto ans Charles so soon..these guys are supposed to be old friends and then they just end that what seems like weeks later

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wow I've never seen anyone said X-men 1 and 2 were bad and then praise X-men 3. Saying that on a major movie or X-men forum would get you burned at the stake.

The way X2 handled Stryker and Nighcrawler is so poorly, that, that alone should be enough to qualify it to be among the worst X-Men movies, even among Superhero movies.

They took one of the best villains from a great story and completely changed him because no one in Hollywood have the galls to make a "God Loves, Man Kills" story.

And Nightcrawler barely have anything in common with his comic counterpart that makes him the amazing swashbuckling character he is. No humor, no wit, just a moping emo jack wagon in stupid pants.

[NinjaPug]

I will always hate X3 and refuse to watch it ever again simply based on the way they handled Cyclops / Jean / Phoenix.