Alan Ritchson Defend MOVIE

[hitmonkey]

Seems a bit silly that he feels audiences will only connect with the Turtles if they look more human. Appearances aren't what makes an audience connect with a character, it's their personalities. Your heart broke with the Jim Henson Turtles when they sat around that campfire, and they didn't have squashed noses and Jar-Jar mouths.

[Puddinpop]

I love how he chuckles when the camera man sticks his head out and says " HEY why do they look weeeeirrrd? " its like the real camera guy was secretly killed and someone from the internet hijacked his camera and snuck in to ask him that lol. I'm glad he did though. Then Alan laughs like " Man this is ridiculous " lol.

[slingtheory]

like he said there's a reason for everything its just too often the reasoning in hollywood is half baked and done with the worst motivation. i'm not so sure the way they went with the turtles faces was the only possible way but probably more like the easier way. considering that their dubbing over the vocal performance of two mocapped actors at the moment I dare say that if getting the actors performance to come across as they preformed was a priority it isn't anymore. they could've animated whatever they wanted to making a more reptilian traditional looking face probably would've taken more time than they were willing to spend. either way the faces are just one aspect of whats wrong with the design whats the explanation for the rest?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Regardless of whether it's possible to transfer his facial performance onto a traditionally-shaped ninja turtle mouth, you don't need to be a mocap expert to know that his facial performance would absolutely translate better onto a face that's shaped more like his own. The less it's changed, the more of the actor's performance will show though, no question. So if that's what they were going for, the reasoning is sound.

Ironically, we're basically going with the concept of the very first TMNT movie suggestion, except they aren't well known comedians playing the turtles.

[Candy Kappa]

They wanted the turtles to look like the actors and sacrificed the designs over face recognition, I'm sure they never tried a classic looking style to see how it worked.

[massakre]

thanks for the interview Raph is my fav, so its nice to get an interview from the guy playing his character.

remember guys, Alan was just voicing his opinion on most of this.. and i know we're just voicing ours but lets try to keep it civil. not long ago, i flipped out and had to realize how ridiculous i looked typing what i did on a msg board..

woosahhhh lol

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

They wanted the turtles to look like the actors and sacrificed the designs over face recognition, I'm sure they never tried a classic looking style to see how it worked.

this really is what its all about

actors getting facetime

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Bry

I don't doubt that it's easier, or even that the technology will be effective at doing what they're doing. I just disagree with the entire idea and think it's faulty reasoning from the get-go. Making the Turtles more "human" is a stupid idea. Making any inhuman character more "human" takes away from what makes them special or memorable, design-wise. It makes the whole thing worse on a conceptual level.

That's a fair if you don't agree with the approach. And I don't know whether it's easier or not. But if their goal is to show more human expression, then the more of the actor's facial structure is carried over, the more of his facial motions will be preserved.

The Henson puppets and Rocket Racoon may display sufficient human expression and emotion, which is a matter of opinion, but this will certainly show more.

It is, at least, a reason...

[Candy Kappa]

Well, I did write that in a older thread, when we saw that both Mikey and Raph looked more like the actor playing them then Leo and Donnie, seeing Alan and Noel are far more famous then the other two.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

considering that their dubbing over the vocal performance of two mocapped actors at the moment I dare say that if getting the actors performance to come across as they preformed was a priority it isn't anymore.

This is an excellent point, and kind of blows much of the defense out of the water.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

How about getting someone who would ask him some actual REAL questions about the film or at least about his character, the personality he will give to the character of Raph, how the family unit/The Turtles in the film bond with one another (or do they have any rapport with each other, what Raph thinks about his other brothers, etc...you know, actually about the Character), or questions that even people on here could/would ask him...

Not some seemingly Brain Dead girl who seems like a reject from Clueless. It's sad that people actually get PAID for that.

how about waiting for the movie to come out.. and just watching it if you have these questions? I don't understand this

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Bry

This is an excellent point, and kind of blows much of the defense out of the water.

Not really live action voice acting is more then just voice? seriously they still need to act emote express, you know act. whether or not its there voice that actually escapes their mouth or not.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

how about waiting for the movie to come out.. and just watching it if you have these questions? I don't understand this

So the only two options we have are "support this movie financially" or "don't ask questions about this movie"?

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Not really live action voice acting is more then just voice? seriously they still need to act emote express, you know act. whether or not its there voice that actually escapes their mouth or not.

Yes, but already the vocal performance isn't matched to the same actor performing it, which is supposed to be the benefit here. If you're not preserving the entirety of a specific performance (including having a level of facial likeness to one actor without using his voice performance), then why not just animate it separately? Why not go with an entirely different/better design? Why not rework it into something that better matches the new voice actor? It's doubtful they'd even have time to do that at this point.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Not really live action voice acting is more then just voice? seriously they still need to act emote express, you know act. whether or not its there voice that actually escapes their mouth or not.

Which will be refined by Animators anyway. Mo-cap animation isn't just slapping it onto the model and finito, it have to be refined, tweaked and ironed out.

One of the problems with the Mo-Cap Beowulf movie was that they didn't do the tweaking and just more or less slapped the animation on the rigs and called it a day.

[UGHShellshocked]

He's been the most vocal one for this movie and all of the stuff he has said has been really positive on Megan Fox and now this, maybe hes a professional and a nice guy and just wants to work on projects that don't fall into the TMZ crapper.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by massakre

thanks for the interview Raph is my fav, so its nice to get an interview from the guy playing his character.

remember guys, Alan was just voicing his opinion on most of this.. and i know we're just voicing ours but lets try to keep it civil. not long ago, i flipped out and had to realize how ridiculous i looked typing what i did on a msg board..

woosahhhh lol

"Damn the woosah, Captain, did you just call me a tick?!"

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Bry

Yes, but already the vocal performance isn't matched to the same actor performing it, which is supposed to be the benefit here. If you're not preserving the entirety of a specific performance (including having a level of facial likeness to one actor without using his voice performance), then why not just animate it separately? Why not go with an entirely different/better design? Why not rework it into something that better matches the new voice actor? It's doubtful they'd even have time to do that at this point.

it happens in movie all the time very often they need to rerecord the vocal aspects and people can't preform perfectly the same way they have just come a long way in the process of matching things up to work.

Personally im very excited for a more expressive turtle not just brow furrowing and mouth movie which is about all we got before I want to see the anguish in Raphs eyes the anger and i already see that from what we have seen. Say what you will about donnie but but in the seen of him yelling i feel it its emotional and i dont even know why hes yelling all i know is his actor was acting and very well for that matter i can see it in his face.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Which will be refined by Animators anyway. Mo-cap animation isn't just slapping it onto the model and finito, it have to be refined, tweaked and ironed out.

One of the problems with the Mo-Cap Beowulf movie was that they didn't do the tweaking and just more or less slapped the animation on the rigs and called it a day.

Agreed, Also the eyes. Thought They fixed issues like this for the hobbit movies my making the eyes "track a horizon" so they dont stay stationary, something real eyes are im capable of doing we're always focusing on something.

Its one aspect of died eyes.

But the track of the mouth and adding voice can be match up pretty easy while keeping all other aspect in line to being emotive and expressive

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Not really live action voice acting is more then just voice? seriously they still need to act emote express, you know act. whether or not its there voice that actually escapes their mouth or not.

Originally Posted by Bry

So the only two options we have are "support this movie financially" or "don't ask questions about this movie"?



Yes, but already the vocal performance isn't matched to the same actor performing it, which is supposed to be the benefit here. If you're not preserving the entirety of a specific performance (including having a level of facial likeness to one actor without using his voice performance), then why not just animate it separately? Why not go with an entirely different/better design? Why not rework it into something that better matches the new voice actor? It's doubtful they'd even have time to do that at this point.

yep. from what alan was saying in the video the defense it that its was necessary to capture the nuances of performances given by the actors portraying the turtles both in voice and action. but thanks to recent events we now know that one of those turtle actors will have his performance dubbed over by another actor. unless they're doing some facial cleanup to map leos face to knoxvilles the only difference between this and how the turtles were portrayed back in the day is the technology ansd that now they have to match the voice with pete plosneks facial expressions. for all intents and purposes he could've just been a stunt man and for that matter they all could've been with voices dubbed in later on faces they could've designed to look however they wanted.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Bry

So the only two options we have are "support this movie financially" or "don't ask questions about this movie"?



Yes, but already the vocal performance isn't matched to the same actor performing it, which is supposed to be the benefit here. If you're not preserving the entirety of a specific performance (including having a level of facial likeness to one actor without using his voice performance), then why not just animate it separately? Why not go with an entirely different/better design? Why not rework it into something that better matches the new voice actor? It's doubtful they'd even have time to do that at this point.

Did you read what I quoted? Don't put words in my mouth.. This seems to be a pattern with you bud lol. The questions that were asked in the quote are all questions that I'm sure Alan isn't allowed to elaborate on just yet. But yet this whole " why didn't this dumb brain dead reject from clueless tell me what I wanna know" attitude. I didn't give a choice, I suggested waiting for the movie. As you know.. people don't have to pay for a movie to see it these days. Its ok to ask questions but if your questions aren't answered fast enough that doesn't make someone a " Brain Dead girl who seems like a reject from Clueless ".. Anyways.. people relate to these characters bc they have human characteristics. Human personalities. Even the old movie, it was Human beings in suits. Allowing these actors to perform their facial characteristics, their personalities isn't a bad thing imo. Whatever lol.. This is exhausting. To each their own. : )

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Defend it towards the end

thanks for the vid SAM, nice to hear someone other than Michael Bay, and Megan Fox talk about this film.