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Weed Whacker
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Pretty much all the TMNT movies so far have made me reflect on a lot more than that.
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Foot Soldier
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How would I handle another reboot?
Emotionally handling a reboot: I would be fine with it. I'd hope they'd choose people more in love with the franchise and learn what to do and not to do from this current movie. Honestly with the 2007 movie not doing too hot and this one kinda meh, I'd be stoked that they would attempt it again with the last 3 movies being kind of flops. I DO want this one to do well enough for a sequel. Not because I love it, not because it's worthy, but I want it to be successful enough to where they don't give up on putting the turtles on the big screen ever again in general. Handling it as in I was in charge of it: I'd probably, get a lot of inspiration from the Nick toon. Since it does a great job of meshing it up from a lot of different versions, it seems ideal. I find I like the balance of danger, action and humor and it would work well on the big screen. I'd stick with the classic look and mix media of CGI/motion capture and some puppets. Mixing media tricks the eye more and can really make for things to look real. I would try to get inspiration from the fans as well since they ultimately know what they want to see. I'd give more development to the characters and make the movie much longer.
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Hench Mutant
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I think I would not be afraid to show character death. How to Train your Dragon 2 got away with character death and dismemberment. So you just need a creative way to show it that gets the point across, isn't anti-climatic, and builds up tension.
I would also like to see a TMNT movie with natural light. Similar to How to Train your dragon. I dislike how everywhere in the TMNT movie is well lit. There needs to be darkness and the only light should be natural. The plot should revolve around the turtles. All subplots should be one of the turtles that doesn't get enough time to shine in the main plot. There shouldn't always be a bad guy. The Antagonist doesn't have to be someone it can be something. I think the origin of the turtles should be very similar to the comic book version, were everything just happened by chance instead of destiny. The mutagen should be some sort of weaponized-evolution-in-a-can were it mutates the creatures and makes their purpose malleable. I just want a good TMNT movie that captures their original feel. They are trained to be ninja. To be assassins or hunters. To hunt down Shredder and kill him, as their master taught them. I don't want the movie to be dark. I just don't want the movie to be afraid to take itself seriously for a moment. |
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Yes, they belong to the same order. But when some one says "hey they look like turtles...they really don't. It's the tortoise turtle confusuion (a pet peeve of mine)
and when you get up that high in the clasification, they all have vastly different faces. This (the classic TMNT species RES) to this (ugh..who wants this! Mata-Mata) ![]() also note the reduced nostril size. |
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Samhain
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Cast:
Splinter: Hiroyuki Sanada Shredder: Tadanobu Asano April: Anna Kendrick Leonardo: Topher Grace Raphael: Joseph Gordon-Levitt Michelangelo: Josh Hutcherson Donatello: Don Glover Casey Jones: Aaron Taylor-Johnson Karai: Rinko Kikuchi Baxter Stockman: Mos Def Turtle Designs: Realistic mocap renders and body types as similar as possible to Out of the Shadows. Not hulking roid monsters, Ninja Turtles. Turtle Accoutrement: Very toned down. They all have traditional elbow/knee pads and different colored eyemasks, but each of them get small bits here and there to further illustrate their personalities. Leo has some traditional Japanese warrior garb here and there, Donnie has a couple brown leather utility belts to hold tools and/or gadgets. Mikey has some old, torn up converse, a surfer bracelet, an ipod, an I<3NY sticker on his shell and a Hello My Name Is MIKEY sticker on his plastron, and Raphael has wraps on his wrists, knees, ankles, and the scars he's earned in battle and sparring with his brothers. That's it. Splinter: Either average human height or slightly shorter, basically how he looked in the concept design from the new movie. Not the final design. Shredder: IDW Shredder design but with some hidden retractable wrist blades and a retractable ninjato on the back of his belt. Foot Clan: Actual ninjas again. No guns or dumb air soft masks. More time spent on Turtles and their relationship with Splinter, who would have a bigger role and be involved in the final fight vs Shredder and Karai and a few Foot Ninjas. Make it way less sterile and shiny and bland. More grimy and gritty, darker in look and atmosphere. Turtles' personalities are still in tact. Origin story: Basically the Nick origin, without the overt Kraang/Utrom influence. That should only be hinted at. And without Karai being Splinter's daughter. That's how I'd do it, pretty much. At least the surface stuff. I won't bother writing a story/plot treatment. |
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Foot Soldier
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There's some interesting takes on an origin reboot, but would releasing a new origin reboot with the standard staple elements in 2019-2020 get casual moviegoers excited to support what might be too similar of a film too soon?
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I do foresee that a reboot would have an uphill battle in other respects. Firstly convincing anyone who saw this and thought it was ******** to give another TMNT movie a chance. Secondly (and I've said this before) but TMNT is at good time right now with the Nick show popping in way the 4kids show despite being successful in it's own right never quite did and older people the right age for nostalgia with young kids of their own. It's not turtlemania part II but the franchise is at a peak time that it's not been before and probably wont be again (at least not for a long time). Even if we get a really good movie years from now I think the window of opportunity for TMNT to be on the level of all the current comic book movies will have passed by then. Think about it; Batman Begins despite being so well received didn't quite reignite the general public's interest in Batman. It was Ledger's death that got people really excited for The Dark Knight. Not to mention this movie had an opportunity to wow people on all levels. Now that audience has seen a movie with big action scenes and the best cgi it wont have the same impact. It would feel more like a do-over than a complete reinvention. Of course this is no reason for them not to try. |
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Or a Mutanimals spin off focused on Ninjara as she is captured by Bishop and placed with Ray, Mondo, Wingnut, and Screwloose. Leatherhead comes to rescue them and you do the math.
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If I somehow had a handle on a reboot for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I would have them already established and fully formed TMNT. I kind of had some trilogy ideas in my head. Maybe you guys could help me?
![]() Perhaps the first movie can deal with battling Baxter Stockman and someone he's "working for" and we finally get the mousers in a live action movie. Maybe sprinkle the Purple Dragons in there a bit? All the while, they defeat Baxter somehow and it's alluded to Baxter is working for someone named Shredder...but the end of the film we get out first real look at Krang. Second movie is about more of the mutagen side of things and we'll get the arrival of Rocksteady and Bebop, who aren't as dull and dopey as their 80's version but they're not tough badasses like Raphael in this new movie was trying so hard and desperately to be. Stockman is also in the film as well and because we've had an attachment to him as a character in the first film...it's all the more shocking when he comes the Fly in this sequel. Maybe towards the latter part of the film, we get our first tease of the Shredder but we still don't see him yet. Krang and Stockman get defeated somehow but Shredder still doesn't get involved yet. By the third movie, it's time for the final battle and we get our big reveal of the Shredder and we make it mean something again when the Turtles have to take on Saki. Something along those lines at least, not fully formed ideas....but action beats at least. Quote:
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The first thing, get a script together where the movie's target demographic would be leaning more heavily towards teenagers and young adults. Just chuck the kiddy stuff. Batman, Superman, X-Men and even most of the latest string of Marvel movies have leaned towards a more mature audience, and you know what, the kids still flocked to those, and bought all of the toys, shirts, comicse and whatnot, without the movies being catered to tots and their soccer moms. I really think if they can see through these kinds of lenses, it will shape up a lot of problems the TMNT movies and the franchise as a whole has been facing. It's time to let the series grow up.
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Mad Scientist
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I agree, time to let the franchise become more.
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I would personally like them to make a reboot as close to the Mirage comics as possible, even more than the first movie ever did.
By the way, what are the chances of us getting a reboot either shortly after the sequel or a possible third movie? |
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Banned
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Yep, sign me up for a proper adaptation of Mirage as well. Although, as discussed previously, I'd go a step further and have a proper live-action, no holds barred television show by HBO, Netflix etc.
There's nothing wrong with the goofier, kiddie turtles. That's great and it gets new young fans into the show - I still enjoy it myself. But it's time that that logic stopped dominating everything to do with the turtles. Even the more serious iterations just seem to have to have Mikey acting like a goofball for large portions of the story, or lots of comedy moments. It's time to let the franchise flourish - make something for those of us who want to see the TMNT in an adult environment - something based completely on Mirage, be it a game, a television series or a film. |
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Why not adapt the cartoon with a more serious less goofy tone. Have Yoshi be splinter. Have shredder work with krang with robot foot soldiers and bebop and rocksteady for the second act after they failed? Maybe dig deeper into the rivalry of Yoshi and saki (tang Shen?) and just how shredder met krang. End it with the promise of the Technodrome and shredder finally giving krang a new robot body.
Basically the first five episodes minus Baxter and the neutrinos. And without the kiddy 80s cheese. And of course make the turtles look like themselves. Shredder too. We need a dude that can pull off the shredder armor and look cool and still be a guy in bladed armor and not an all-out robot. Pls tmnt smashing up robot foot soldiers is gonna be all kinds of cool. I mean the first movie was kinda mirage. Everything else was kinda sorta it's own thing. Even this movie Vernon and all was still more new stuff than an actual adaptation of the old cartoon. Have them try an all out cartoon adaptation. A live action version of the first give eps with a bit more realism and less cheese basically writes itself.
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I just feel a live-action show made by the usual suspects offers so much more scope for taking liberties and pushing the envelope. It won't happen but that doesn't mean that it's a silly idea - lots of comics are being adapted for television so why not turtles? A big part of the problem is the fact that lots of people simply don't know any better - they think the turtles were created for the 1987 show, they simply don't realise that Mirage existed and was grittier in tone. |
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Weed Whacker
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Unfortunately Nick/Viacom have no interest in that whatsoever. They're only interested in doing 20 different Bebop and Rocksteady origins, and seeing how many different ways they can introduce the Technodrome and Krang.
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