Get Over The Conceit

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Ross Campbell

Cubed is also decrying fans who engage with TMNT in a certain way and saying they should leave their headcanons and "wish fulfillment" at the door, but then he's busy supporting Andrew's Odyssey and Origin fan comics, which let's face it is exactly the same thing, just more acceptable to the average (usually male) fan. it's an offensive double standard.

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )

Good for you, Ross. Keep doing what you're doing and keep on supporting the shipping. I'm the same way with my fan fiction, and I have no problem supporting certain pairings. Cubed is just a narrow-minded guy who thinks that the world shouldn't have any enjoyment over anything. I feel so sorry for him.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

Let's look through the series for canon ships:

- Original toon: None aside from Raph having a thing for Mona Lisa. Leo also had a crush on Lotus Blossom that faded after one episode

- 4kids: April/Casey, Don might have had a subtle crush on April for a little while. Nothing else other than Karai/Leo holding a grudge.

- Movies: April/Casey

- Archie: Raph/Ninjara

- Mirage: April/Casey, some one off stuff never to be spoken of again

- Nick: Don/April, Casey/April, possible Leo/Karai

- IDW: April/Casey, possibly Angel/Casey too



TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.

You are so wrong, Cubed. In the original toon, I've seen Raph/Mona Lisa, Don/Irma, Mikey/Kala, Mikey/April, Leo/Lotus, and even Leo/April.

4Kids: Don/April, Leo/Karai, Raph/Angel, Mikey/Renet, April/Casey, Leo/Usagi were some of the ones I saw.

Movies: Mikey/Mitsu and April/Casey are the ones I can think of, though I'm sure there are some who may ship Raph/Keno. I'm not sure on that one though.

Archie: Raph/Ninjara and Mikey/Oyuki are two I've seen.

Mirage: April/Casey, Leo/Radical, Raph/Lucindra, Don/Jhanna and that's all I can think of there.

Nick: Don/April, Leo/Karai, Casey/April for now. I'm sure there could be either Don/Irma or even Mikey/Irma based on a joke Ciro said to Greg Cipes about saving Irma for Mikey. And maybe if another character gets introduced like Mona Lisa or someone else, they could be paired with Raph.

I'm not that familiar with IDW, so I can't really comment on that. Sorry.

So, you're totally wrong on all of that, Cubed. Shipping DOES happen in TMNT. You're just too narrow-minded to really see the big picture like the rest of us. And also don't forget the Turtle/OC pairings you see in fan fiction. Yes, I'm guilty of it myself, and I'm proud of it.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Yup, it's the genre that's by largely by women, for women, about women, which is largely why it gets the stigma it does. The fact that shipping gets similar flack is not coincidental. Are there things one could criticize about shipping? Sure. It is sometimes used to glorify unhealthy dynamics--Donatello and April shipping, at least if the characters are anything like they are in the actual Nick show--and it can sometimes be quite racist, sexist, queerphobic, etc. However, critiquing those things in the fandom while ignoring it when they're done officially, and while ignoring the way shipping often does things better than canon--Donatello and April are often much better in fanfic than they are in the show--is ugly and hypocritical.

Really? So trying to make more like the show can work against you?

[BubblyShell22]

Well, it can in the sense that people may not like the pairing you support or they may not support a pairing that isn't canon to the show and you might get flack for it. As for me, I don't care. I'll ship whatever the hell I want and if people don't like my stuff, then fine.

Also forgot to add that I've also seen Mikey/Leatherhead fan fiction for the Nick show and Don/Leatherhead for the 2K3 show. Bring it on!

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Really? So trying to make more like the show can work against you?

I'm not sure what you mean. The bolded phrase is about shipping in general, not TMNT itself. Could you rephrase?

[Luckyday]

Oh okay. I read that completely wrong. I thought he meant if you try to stay close to the show then your characters would come off as sexiest and racist.

[The Big Bad]

Ah, I see. I actually believe that too, to a degree. If we have fanfic that were, say, about the love triangle, and it were told in accordance to the show's style and canon, that fanfic would indeed most likely end up being sexist, because the show's treatment of the triangle is itself sexist. I just didn't express that in that particular sentence.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

Ah, I see. I actually believe that too, to a degree. If we have fanfic that were, say, about the love triangle, and it were told in accordance to the show's style and canon, that fanfic would indeed most likely end up being sexist, because the show's treatment of the triangle is itself sexist. I just didn't express that in that particular sentence.

And now I'm suddenly worried. It's also like if you really want to make a good fan fic then you would need stop watching the show all to together. Just for clarification, how is the love triangle sexist and what would you do to fix it?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Shipping brings out the worst in people, I've seen it. I don't mind people's "headcanon's" but once the adult fanart and fanfiction comes roaming in, that's where I draw the line.

Also its pretty obvious that most of the hardcore shippers are female, (before anyone asks, yes, I've seen the vast majority of hardcore shippers have a higher ratio of females to males), its mostly due to trying to vicariously live through the characters and wish fullfillment.

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.

Translation:
Girls are gross, and I wish they'd go away.
Or at very least play with their dolls the way I want them to.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Don/Leatherhead for the 2K3 show.

AKA the unholy tyrant of all ships that will destroy everything in its wake

it's the godzilla of tmnt slash

which makes it the best one

[Coola Yagami]

eh... if you ask me shipping has been around since Gilligan's Island with people arguing wether or nor Gilligan will end up with Ginger or Mary Ann.... see what I did there?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

I guess I'll take both of your statements concern it. It could be a slippery slope though (as we've seen here) on security measures in defining the difference between "trolling" versus a highly unpopular, strongly passionate argument; in addition, to considering the sensitivity of users. ...But I guess it's narrowing down to the "imposing" aspect or forcing it upon someone else, if we get right down to it. Right?

...But...couldn't one argue that the health of the internet trolls gauges the freedom of speech on the internet?

This is why the drome remains one of the most interesting places on the net.
Here, there be monsters.

I like challenging opinions, and being challenged in return. Sanitizing the discussions defeats the purpose of having a forum. Some people would prefer us all to be Stepford wives.

So not down for that.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Translation:
Girls are gross, and I wish they'd go away.
Or at very least play with their dolls the way I want them to.

I'm pretty sure I read the author of Harry Potter received "death threats" from fans because Hermoine wound up with Ron instead of Harry.

The fact that shippers are such idiots that they think they can send death threats to the writer of an entire series just because two characters didn't get together is laughable.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm pretty sure I read the author of Harry Potter received "death threats" from fans because Hermoine wound up with Ron instead of Harry.

The fact that shippers are such idiots that they think they can send death threats to the writer of an entire series just because two characters didn't get together is laughable.

You're generalizing though. Not all shippers are fanatics and not all fanatics are shippers. In my view, anyone who gets that worked up over any aspect of a work of fiction that didn't go the way they wanted where they're sending threats to the creator/author can't be right in the head in general and should probably be avoided.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Yeah. That can be interesting too. I liked Digimon and one thing that highly interested me was Koushirou (Izzy's) adoption. I wanted to read a fic on that, as I felt it would be interesting to see how Japan handles that mind of stuff...but nothing. I just wrote one myself. I find it "meh" but it was something. I wanted a fic about him looking into his past and since no one had written it I did. lol

It's rare that I read fics now, but I've always liked what if situations and scenarios.

Yeah, the last fan fiction I read was one on Leo and an OC, and then one on Hermione and Draco. The last fanfiction I wrote though, ironically enough, was back right after Transformers Dark Side of the Moon came out, and I did a really lengthy story on Mikaela and how she was fighting along Nest.

[Commenter 42]

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

eh... if you ask me shipping has been around since Gilligan's Island with people arguing wether or nor Gilligan will end up with Ginger or Mary Ann.... see what I did there?

Hahhahaha, LMFAO! Ha, if its's OK for hard asses Casey Jones and Donatello to fight over a shipping war, then it should be fine for the rest of us!

[NYShell]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Have you heard that phase? It use to describe any show that would skip the general logistics like...well pick any twilight zone episode or maybe even a doctor who episode that was written by Steven Moffat, and I feel that term has come to described recent Nick TMNT episodes. So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

I never took this show seriously. I can enjoy it really only for the reasons that its a TMNT show and fun. Other than that, there's nothing special or groundbreaking about this show. It's very overhyped.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?

Headcanon is just fanon on an individual level. Quirks, behaviours, personality traits, or other aspects of a character that are not defined in canon, that a fan comes up with in their head as part of their unique interpretation of the character. Some common headcanon examples would be a name that somebody gives to an unnamed character, what an orphaned character's parents looked like, what kind of voice a non-voiced character has, the sexuality of any given character whose sexuality was never discussed in canon, and my personal favourite, the answer to the question "Does [x] sing in the shower?" [Raphael has kindly answered this one for me without it even having to be a headcanon. Thank you based Raph]

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?

Stuff within a franchise or characters of that franchise fans have over the years believed to be canon, but in reality, nothing official is said about it. I find this a good thing though, because it means the characters of a franchise have grown a life all of their own.

Like for instance, it's assumed that the Turtles can speak, read and understand Japanese considering who their master is, but there really hasn't been anything hard core official, except maybe for Donatello in the 2k3 show.

In the nick show, I'm having it in my head that Leonardo might actually have a side hobby of entomology (he seems to know quite a bit about bugs) but nothing concrete.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Like for instance, it's assumed that the Turtles can speak, read and understand Japanese considering who their master is, but there really hasn't been anything hard core official, except maybe for Donatello in the 2k3 show.

OH. OH. I love this headcanon though. I actually take it a step further and assume all the episodes that take place in Japan feature all the characters just speaking Japanese.