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Most of the time anymore, I see people cite movies as "bad" or "awful" because they failed to live up to some arbitrary criteria of the viewer, rather than whether or not they were objectively well-executed. Like I've said before, most of my problems with MoS, for example, come from my own idea of who Superman's character is, and I don't think the movie did it right. Otherwise, it was a really well-done piece of work with some dialog and pacing issues. ((Shrug)) I can thoroughly agree with just about every criticism anyone can throw at the DC films, but to flat-out state they're plain no good is kind of ridiculous. I'm all for demanding more out of our art, but I think we're expecting a little too much out of our super-hero fiction. Especially if someone's going to say Marvel's films are far and away superior. They're just different, and better and worse at entirely different things. And some of those really are pretty weak, or at least forgettable. I don't know. Lord knows, I have my preferences and biases, but I'm a little shocked it's still a "competition" among fans anymore. Proof that people just need SOMEthing to argue about, I s'pose. I end up seeing everything super-hero related eventually, so I'll end up seeing these as well, but honestly only the Captain America and Avengers-related stuff really grabs me. I think they've done a really good job at making that character work on screen without making it farcical, and that's something I was worried about before the first one came out, since every other attempt in the past had failed spectacularly. I really like what they've done with Cap. I'm sure the movies about the "lesser" Marvel characters will be just fine, but it'll be another case of winning me over in the theater, because I'm not familiar with the books. They're usually pretty good with that. That's one thing they're great at, is making films that are inclusive to the viewer even if they're not familiar with the characters beforehand. That's not easy to pull off, especially with the kind of lore that comics characters can build over time. Last edited by Leo656; 10-29-2014 at 04:44 PM. |
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Captain Marvel has me interested, wait n see on everything else.
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![]() If you even knew the least bit about BP's history, you'd know how dumb you just sounded, because 1) He doesn't live in a village, he lives in Wakanda, which holds some pretty impressive technology that makes the Iron Man armor almost look a like toaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_(comics) And 2) He's not just "some guy who dresses up like a panther", he's actually the King of Wakanda, and the "Black Panther" title is held by those who come from the royal blood line. Get your facts straight, bub.
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Give him a break, all black super-heroes look the same to him.
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Outside of that DC has really been dropping the ball when it comes to movies. Man of Steel was ok, not bad, not good, but I feel like they could have done better. I can't get through a green lantern movie.
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I was curious if they'd do Civil War without Spider-Man or X-men. I'm pretty stoked. It all sounds awesome. I wonder what comes once it's all said and done. I'd love to see World War Hulk.
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The X-Men didn't do anything in the Civil War story (If I remember, all they did was sit down and have a meeting on it) So they can do it without The X-Men. The Fantastic 4 though had a bigger role in the story.
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Who would fill in for Mr. Fantastic though ?
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I hope I live long enough to see how Phase 3 plays out.
Kinda wish they'd been able to fit another Hulk film in there somewhere. Incredible Hulk (alongside Iron Man) was Marvel Studios first stab at setting the tone for their new MCU, it succeeded in a lot of ways but I'd love to see how they'd do a new Hulk film now that they have a lot more under their belt -- not to mention the best movie Hulk ever in Ruffalo. Maybe phase 4. No complaints though, I mean there's clearly a ton to chew on here. Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel are all going to be a joy to witness unfold. The other stuff is def very exciting too! |
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I have a massive hate-on for adding lady characters for the sole purpose of being love interests, only to have them fridged a movie later. And it all just kind of goes down hill after that for me.
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They're still fairly rad movies though. Not quintessential Batman, but rad nonetheless. |
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Sights set on a WWH. I want to see him fight Silver Surfer....or BRB if they can't get the rights. W/e. Just make it badass. |
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Money is another concern. I imagine the actors are constantly negotiating higher salaries - by 2018, an Avengers film will either cost $900 million to make or the above-the-line costs will cannibalise the production budget.
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I can't defend that. Her character was irrelevant except for the sole purpose of a love interest.
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So, even though Rachael Dawes really had no point to exist, the fact they stapled her in doesn't hurt the movie for me, because if it wasn't her, they just would have said Bruce was childhood sweethearts with Vicki Vale, or someone else who was actually from the books. The love story would have been there regardless. So why get mad about it, when the rest of the movie was great? I'm less forgiving of it on "The Dark Knight", but that's mostly because smokin' hot Katie Holmes got replaced with Maggie Gyllenhall (however it's spelled, I don't care), who is... less hot. I'm being as nice as I can as far as that particular re-casting. It was a step backwards, is what I'm saying. Comparing their faces is like comparing smooth porcelain to a used washcloth, and expecting nobody to notice. Huh. Maybe I'm not being so nice after all. Anyways, when I know certain stuff Has To Be There because of "The Rules", I try and just let it slide if the rest of the movie is good. I don't love the idea of every super-hero movie having a love story (especially when it's as banal and insipid as, say, Thor's), but it is what it is and I'm over it. It's not like it'll ever change. Hollywood is a very insular system run by a very closed, closed-minded group of people, they don't let outsiders or "new blood" into the magic decision-making "inner circle", and historically they've only given up their "spot" to family members. The logic they use and the rules they apply are archaic, but they're so ingrained into the overall system of Hollywood that it's kind of impossible to change it. Look at what happens when someone like Kevin Smith, an "outsider", weasels his way in through sheer talent and willpower; in just a few years, they're part of The System and making the same crummy movies and applying the same worn-out tropes and cliches as everyone else. Because if they want to keep making movies, They Have To. Anyways, as far as "Daddy Issues" and whatnot goes, that's pretty much all Batman is. Why would anyone watch Batman if they didn't kind of know/expect there would be a lot of "Waaaaah, I miss my Dad" in it? |
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From that list I'm only really excited about the Avengers and Cap films - some others I'm mildly interested in. I like what I have read of Civil War, and of course Thanos and the Infinity saga should be epic. Also agree with everyone that the DCAU and their original animated movies are fantastic. Last edited by Davetello; 10-31-2014 at 02:51 PM. |
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Yeah, I guess I was supposed to feel sad when Rachel dies, but I was more like, good riddance, she was annoying. I actually got more feels with Gordon's momentary departure!
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