Marvel Announce 9 new Movies

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

DC excels at animated movies, but...they haven't put out a good, solid, live action flick since Burton's Batman.

The first half of that is true, but the second is a blatant lie. Opinions and personal tastes and all that aside, more than half of DC's films have still been good-to-great, warts and all. Only really Batman Forever/and Robin deserve the hate they get. Among the rest, the seemingly next most-hated, Green Lantern, was still miles ahead of those two piles of sh*t.

Most of the time anymore, I see people cite movies as "bad" or "awful" because they failed to live up to some arbitrary criteria of the viewer, rather than whether or not they were objectively well-executed. Like I've said before, most of my problems with MoS, for example, come from my own idea of who Superman's character is, and I don't think the movie did it right. Otherwise, it was a really well-done piece of work with some dialog and pacing issues. ((Shrug))

I can thoroughly agree with just about every criticism anyone can throw at the DC films, but to flat-out state they're plain no good is kind of ridiculous. I'm all for demanding more out of our art, but I think we're expecting a little too much out of our super-hero fiction. Especially if someone's going to say Marvel's films are far and away superior. They're just different, and better and worse at entirely different things. And some of those really are pretty weak, or at least forgettable.

I don't know. Lord knows, I have my preferences and biases, but I'm a little shocked it's still a "competition" among fans anymore. Proof that people just need SOMEthing to argue about, I s'pose.

I end up seeing everything super-hero related eventually, so I'll end up seeing these as well, but honestly only the Captain America and Avengers-related stuff really grabs me. I think they've done a really good job at making that character work on screen without making it farcical, and that's something I was worried about before the first one came out, since every other attempt in the past had failed spectacularly. I really like what they've done with Cap. I'm sure the movies about the "lesser" Marvel characters will be just fine, but it'll be another case of winning me over in the theater, because I'm not familiar with the books. They're usually pretty good with that. That's one thing they're great at, is making films that are inclusive to the viewer even if they're not familiar with the characters beforehand. That's not easy to pull off, especially with the kind of lore that comics characters can build over time.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Black superheroes only work when set in metropolis cities among other supporting actors. That's why Falcon worked in the second Captain America movie, he would never be able to support a move on his own.

Falcon couldn't support a movie on his own because he's Falcon.

Captain Marvel has me interested, wait n see on everything else.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Falcon couldn't support a movie on his own because he's Falcon.
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Ain't THAT the F'n truth.

I'mma just leave this right here...

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How is Black Panther going to work anyway? Nobody is going to want to watch a superhero movie sent in Africa (or Wakanda, or whatever his place is called), where a guy simply dresses in an black animal leotard fighting other Africans who try to take over his village.

Wow. That is possibly the dumbest thing you have said by far.

If you even knew the least bit about BP's history, you'd know how dumb you just sounded, because 1) He doesn't live in a village, he lives in Wakanda, which holds some pretty impressive technology that makes the Iron Man armor almost look a like toaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_(comics)

And 2) He's not just "some guy who dresses up like a panther", he's actually the King of Wakanda, and the "Black Panther" title is held by those who come from the royal blood line.

Get your facts straight, bub.

[Leo656]

Give him a break, all black super-heroes look the same to him.

[snake]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Wow. That is possibly the dumbest thing you have said by far.

If you even knew the least bit about BP's history, you'd know how dumb you just sounded, because 1) He doesn't live in a village, he lives in Wakanda, which holds some pretty impressive technology that makes the Iron Man armor almost look a like toaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_(comics)

And 2) He's not just "some guy who dresses up like a panther", he's actually the King of Wakanda, and the "Black Panther" title is held by those who come from the royal blood line.

Get your facts straight, bub.

This. Black Panther is gonna rule.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

DC excels at animated movies, but...they haven't put out a good, solid, live action flick since Burton's Batman.

I want to like their stuff, but...every time I give their books and movies another shot, I find myself spending more time counting the bodies that hit the floor, or wondering how long the protagonist is going to deal with his Daddy Issues.

Poor Ryan Reynolds, he really REALLY wanted Green Lantern to be a good movie, but alas it was not to be.

Which isn't to say that Marvel's movies haven't also been a wet hot mess at times.

What'll make or break the upcoming films is whether or not the Big Wigs actually let the directors do their thing without a lot of intervention via committee. The news coming out of Ant Man doesn't give me a whole lot of hope. Half of the reason I wanted to see it was Paul Rudd, and the other half was Edgar Wright, but...now he's off the project.

So...we'll see. But I'm way more hopeful for these movies than I am to see what DC does to Wonder Woman.

Wow really no love for the Nolan Trilogy?????? I personally think is the best comic trilogy thats been put out.
Outside of that DC has really been dropping the ball when it comes to movies. Man of Steel was ok, not bad, not good, but I feel like they could have done better. I can't get through a green lantern movie.

[Memphis]

I was curious if they'd do Civil War without Spider-Man or X-men. I'm pretty stoked. It all sounds awesome. I wonder what comes once it's all said and done. I'd love to see World War Hulk.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Memphis

I was curious if they'd do Civil War without Spider-Man or X-men. I'm pretty stoked. It all sounds awesome. I wonder what comes once it's all said and done. I'd love to see World War Hulk.

The X-Men didn't do anything in the Civil War story (If I remember, all they did was sit down and have a meeting on it) So they can do it without The X-Men. The Fantastic 4 though had a bigger role in the story.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Who would fill in for Mr. Fantastic though ?

[Zulithe]

I hope I live long enough to see how Phase 3 plays out. That's some pretty impressive planning. Phase 2 felt very restrained compared to what they are going forward with in Phase 3.

Kinda wish they'd been able to fit another Hulk film in there somewhere. Incredible Hulk (alongside Iron Man) was Marvel Studios first stab at setting the tone for their new MCU, it succeeded in a lot of ways but I'd love to see how they'd do a new Hulk film now that they have a lot more under their belt -- not to mention the best movie Hulk ever in Ruffalo. Maybe phase 4.

No complaints though, I mean there's clearly a ton to chew on here. Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel are all going to be a joy to witness unfold. The other stuff is def very exciting too!

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Wow really no love for the Nolan Trilogy?????? I personally think is the best comic trilogy thats been put out.

Not really, no.
I have a massive hate-on for adding lady characters for the sole purpose of being love interests, only to have them fridged a movie later. And it all just kind of goes down hill after that for me.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Who would fill in for Mr. Fantastic though ?

Maybe Bruce Banner?

It'd be really cool to see Banner on team Stark the whole movie and refuse to Hulk out, but then lose it in the third act. And you know the other guy wouldn't be pro registration.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Not really, no.
I have a massive hate-on for adding lady characters for the sole purpose of being love interests, only to have them fridged a movie later. And it all just kind of goes down hill after that for me.

That sucked. She had no arc what so ever.

They're still fairly rad movies though. Not quintessential Batman, but rad nonetheless.

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Kinda wish they'd been able to fit another Hulk film in there somewhere. Incredible Hulk (alongside Iron Man) was Marvel Studios first stab at setting the tone for their new MCU, it succeeded in a lot of ways but I'd love to see how they'd do a new Hulk film now that they have a lot more under their belt -- not to mention the best movie Hulk ever in Ruffalo. Maybe phase 4.

I'm glad I'm not the only one on the Hulk train. He's such a powerhouse and he has yet to get a really good movie (First Hulk was awful, second one was a little better. But no Ruff-Hulk yet.)
Sights set on a WWH. I want to see him fight Silver Surfer....or BRB if they can't get the rights. W/e. Just make it badass.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing will crash and burn? For one thing this is an entire generation of fans later. The kids/teens who watched Iron Man 1 will be over 30 by the time that last movie comes out.

We obviously can't tell what will happen, but I think it's a mistake to announce plans this far in advance. So far they have been playing it in such a way that if a movie tanks, they can change course and try something else. You can't do that when you announce two-parters; if one of them bombs, you either make the sequel to an unpopular film, or pull the plug and leave part one drifting.

Money is another concern. I imagine the actors are constantly negotiating higher salaries - by 2018, an Avengers film will either cost $900 million to make or the above-the-line costs will cannibalise the production budget.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Not really, no.
I have a massive hate-on for adding lady characters for the sole purpose of being love interests, only to have them fridged a movie later. And it all just kind of goes down hill after that for me.

I can't defend that. Her character was irrelevant except for the sole purpose of a love interest.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

I can't defend that. Her character was irrelevant except for the sole purpose of a love interest.

Agreed, but I was and am accepting of it because All Movies Have A Formula. In this case, the only thing missing from the Batman origin story, from WB's point of view, was a love story to bring in the women (because, according to the suits, women absolutely CAN'T be into super-heroes without some kind of kissy-face melodrama stapled on). All Movies Must Have A Love Story. It's actually a Hollywood rule, go ahead and look it up. Sometimes it's flimsy, or only implied, but it's always there. You MUST have a few sparks between a male and female character in your movie, or else "women won't go see it".

So, even though Rachael Dawes really had no point to exist, the fact they stapled her in doesn't hurt the movie for me, because if it wasn't her, they just would have said Bruce was childhood sweethearts with Vicki Vale, or someone else who was actually from the books. The love story would have been there regardless. So why get mad about it, when the rest of the movie was great? I'm less forgiving of it on "The Dark Knight", but that's mostly because smokin' hot Katie Holmes got replaced with Maggie Gyllenhall (however it's spelled, I don't care), who is... less hot. I'm being as nice as I can as far as that particular re-casting. It was a step backwards, is what I'm saying. Comparing their faces is like comparing smooth porcelain to a used washcloth, and expecting nobody to notice.

Huh. Maybe I'm not being so nice after all.

Anyways, when I know certain stuff Has To Be There because of "The Rules", I try and just let it slide if the rest of the movie is good. I don't love the idea of every super-hero movie having a love story (especially when it's as banal and insipid as, say, Thor's), but it is what it is and I'm over it. It's not like it'll ever change. Hollywood is a very insular system run by a very closed, closed-minded group of people, they don't let outsiders or "new blood" into the magic decision-making "inner circle", and historically they've only given up their "spot" to family members. The logic they use and the rules they apply are archaic, but they're so ingrained into the overall system of Hollywood that it's kind of impossible to change it.

Look at what happens when someone like Kevin Smith, an "outsider", weasels his way in through sheer talent and willpower; in just a few years, they're part of The System and making the same crummy movies and applying the same worn-out tropes and cliches as everyone else. Because if they want to keep making movies, They Have To.

Anyways, as far as "Daddy Issues" and whatnot goes, that's pretty much all Batman is. Why would anyone watch Batman if they didn't kind of know/expect there would be a lot of "Waaaaah, I miss my Dad" in it? Batman's a spoiled, damaged child, a deranged Peter Pan acting out a revenge fantasy. Not expecting his neuroses to play out in a big way onscreen is puzzling, to say the least. I'unno.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

No, you're not. I saw a rather distressing chart combining these annoucements with the DC movie projects slated on the timetable, the comic book movie bubble is definitely going to peak and burst before it's finished in my estimation as the market is now completly oversaturated

I saw the same chart and saved it to my hard drive. There are an insane number of comic book films slated for release before 2020, and I agree that the bubble will burst somewhere along the way.

From that list I'm only really excited about the Avengers and Cap films - some others I'm mildly interested in. I like what I have read of Civil War, and of course Thanos and the Infinity saga should be epic.

Also agree with everyone that the DCAU and their original animated movies are fantastic.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

That sucked. She had no arc what so ever.

They're still fairly rad movies though. Not quintessential Batman, but rad nonetheless.

Yeah, I guess I was supposed to feel sad when Rachel dies, but I was more like, good riddance, she was annoying. I actually got more feels with Gordon's momentary departure!