Why do people obsess over "Same As It Never Was"?! - Page 4

jestergoblin · 02-11-2015, 12:15 PM

I'd suggest reading the original reaction thread when the episode aired:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=11953 (ignore single-minded posts... and the whole thing in middle)

Here's the big thing about the episode: we didn't know what was coming. We knew the general gist of the episode because of the previous ones, we knew it was Don's turn and the teaser from the previous week told us it was some kind of future where Shredder ruled.

That was all we knew.

There wasn't anything about it being a world without Don, or what happened to the other three. We basically went in blind, expecting something similar to Raph and Mikey's episodes and instead were blindsided by a dystopian story that ended with multiple deaths.

slingtheory · 02-12-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Yeah, that was practically where he was planning to strike in upon leaving Earth in Exodus. Heck, some have probably speculated that if the Turtles never intervened and tried stopping him from escaping, he would've come back, with a newly-enslaved Utrom race and all their technology in tow, so he could take over Earth with little struggle, thus leading to the kind of world SAINW is set in.

Now that you mention it now it's makes even more sense to me how Donnie not being around could lead to shredder taken over. If dons not around for exodus nobody's there to hack open the door on shred heads escape rocket. Not only that but Donatello was the one who grabbed on to the rocket when it was taking off and the others grab on to him to get onboard. No Donnie splinter and the turtles miss the boat and shredder takes over the ultrom home world before coming back to earth with an alien army.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 02-18-2015, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

There's no question of how great this episode was. Time travel stories can do a lot in showing the personalities of certain characters in a different light. To see a Michelangelo that doesn't tell jokes--that was scary.

^This. While I love his normal personality, seeing Mikey go grim and serious was such a shock- and then I loved his "new" personality just as much. Always kind of wondered how he got that way, though. Would have loved to se a story on that. (IE- maybe an episode that foreshadows SAINW, with Mikey showing hints of that future self beginning to form.)

~~Mew~~ · 02-18-2015, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

^This. While I love his normal personality, seeing Mikey go grim and serious was such a shock- and then I loved his "new" personality just as much. Always kind of wondered how he got that way, though. Would have loved to se a story on that. (IE- maybe an episode that foreshadows SAINW, with Mikey showing hints of that future self beginning to form.)

This personality is more like the original comics, like the tone of the whole show. I mean, obviously Mikey was comic relief, but I always found this Mikey to be less jokey, in this series as a whole. I think it is a nice change from Mikey's usual personality, and found it to be quite enjoyable. The tone, in my viewing at least, was on the level of the 1990 movie. Although, being used to his original personality, it did feel a little weird seeing him be depicted like this.

312 · 02-22-2015, 12:07 PM

I just watched it for the first time in years, and it was amazing. Everything about it. In fact It just really demonstrated how differently the nick and 2k3 show actually were.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 03-20-2015, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 312

I just watched it for the first time in years, and it was amazing. Everything about it. In fact It just really demonstrated how differently the nick and 2k3 show actually were.

The Nickelodeon show didn't exist in 2005, so you maybe mean the 1987 cartoon?

Yesterday (or some sources say 17 March 2005) was 10 years since the episode first aired.

*Shark_Blade* · 03-20-2015, 09:43 AM

Because the story is pretty impactful as opposed to other forgettable episodes?

~~megashredder~~ · 03-21-2015, 08:40 PM

shredder ruling the world! Karai-Amazon bot's with rotary canon's?
Foot police, and don't even get me started on Stockman!!

One question?
where are Chaplin and the Elite foot?
did they betray him at one point.

aliena · 05-17-2015, 12:00 AM

I just finished watching SAINW and I was BLOWN AWAY! Hands down one of my favorite episodes of any incarnation. I can't believe they went that dark. And seeing Raph crawl to Leo to die made me cry.

Wow, such a fantastic arc for all the turtles, except Leo's. I did not care for that first part at all. Leo was the only thing I liked about it. And Raph, what a guy. He is the Raph to beat for me. I just can't get enough of him.

BTW, was Leo blind? How come he could see everything he was doing? His Ninja senses can't be that good. Still, he was super hot in that episode.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 05-17-2015, 01:32 AM

Yes, he was blind, but he had learned to use his other senses to compensate, sort of like Daredevil. Remember when he was blind-fighting in the rain in the Shredder Strikes Back arc? Same thing.

The part that really got to me was Mikey getting cornered by the Karai-bots and calling out to Don right before he died. He was the first to go, and the fact that none of them ever tried to reach him was heartbreaking to me. Like, why didn't Leo or Raph go to him? Even Donnie at least NOTICED he was down! Yet still didn't do anything about it, unlike Raph with Leo. Made me sad to think they basically ignored his death.

*pennydreadful* · 05-17-2015, 01:39 AM

Is anyone curious as to whether there's going to be a SAINW-style episode in the Nick series?

*Xav* · 05-17-2015, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by aliena

BTW, was Leo blind?

No, in the script he is simply referred to as "Scarred Leo" and there is no mention of him with any kind of vision impairment.

*GoldMutant* · 05-17-2015, 06:17 AM

I see Same As It Never Was as an amazing episode, but I do prefer other episodes in the series more. It's one of the darkest and tragic tales in the TMNT franchise and people love gritty and darker material. (ex: Dark Knight over Adam West Batman) We as viewers love to get invested in the story and the more well-written the material, the more we love the story told. The fan art can be annoying but that moment stood out the most, seeing the beloved heroes in a half shell get killed, which is why it's used often.

Personally though, although I find it an amazing episode like others, I still like other episodes more. My personal favorites are the Good Genes arc, Insane in the Membrane, Reality Check, both Enter the Dragons, and the entirety of City at War. Same As It Never Was ranks in my top 20 for the series, but I would say close to my top 10. Still a great episode looking back.

*Prowler* · 05-17-2015, 08:30 AM

Because it was a great episode and also a pretty edgy and mature one considering this was a children's cartoon.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 05-18-2015, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Xav

No, in the script he is simply referred to as "Scarred Leo" and there is no mention of him with any kind of vision impairment.

And the fact that he not only wore the typical "blind-man" glasses and his FACE was the part that was scarred had nothing to do with it, right? Also, in the few shots where you see his eyes behind the shades, they are most definitely different than the others. Sort of "milky" looking, as opposed to the usual white-out look, indicating they had been damaged somehow. He was definitely blind. Just wasn't hindered by it, apparently. Mikey was also scarred, but there's no question what HIS handicap was. Yet he didn't seem bothered by it. Raph didn't seem too bothered by the fact that he was missing an eye, either. Ninja training, y'now.

ImmaAxolotl · 05-18-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

And the fact that he not only wore the typical "blind-man" glasses and his FACE was the part that was scarred had nothing to do with it, right? Also, in the few shots where you see his eyes behind the shades, they are most definitely different than the others. Sort of "milky" looking, as opposed to the usual white-out look, indicating they had been damaged somehow. He was definitely blind. Just wasn't hindered by it, apparently. Mikey was also scarred, but there's no question what HIS handicap was. Yet he didn't seem bothered by it. Raph didn't seem too bothered by the fact that he was missing an eye, either. Ninja training, y'now.

Not to mention that when, given time, anyone could learn to live with their handicap. As far as we know, these guys could have gained those injuries decades ago.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 05-22-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ImmaAxolotl

Not to mention that when, given time, anyone could learn to live with their handicap. As far as we know, these guys could have gained those injuries decades ago.

True enough, but I figured that part was a given. Getting around normally is one thing, but they were all still FIGHTING with their handicaps. Which means that not only did they have time to get used to them, but to even TRAIN with those handicaps!

xbennoda · 05-22-2015, 02:52 PM

It's simple, really... "Same As It Never Was" was the darkest episode TMNT 2003 had to offer. It had a lot of story behind it and it probably happened to the least expected turtle... Don! To be honest, it made me cry

and it messed with my feelings the first time I watched it. It is definitely my favorite one of the whole series of 4KidsTV.

~~megashredder~~ · 06-14-2015, 08:23 PM

Some many thing's to love about this ep good aand bad. Did chrell sample stockmans third sesn armor bot? &amp where is chaplin and the foot elite?
Are the utrom slvs loyal to oroku SAKI?

Danetello · 08-04-2015, 05:12 PM

I just watched this episode for the first time the other day, since I have been watching all the 2k3 for the first time on DVD.
While it is a very good episode, I wouldn't "obsess" over it like the OP says in the title. It definitely is very dark and edgy, which I like. I like that they weren't afraid to show the demise of some of the characters; adding the chilling reality of mortality to the series. Heroes can be heroes, but they are still mortal. I might be a bit biased towards it since it was a Donnie episode, too!

03-21-2015, 08:40 PM	#68
~~megashredder~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 55	Same as it never was DARK!! shredder ruling the world! Karai-Amazon bot's with rotary canon's? Foot police, and don't even get me started on Stockman!! One question? where are Chaplin and the Elite foot? did they betray him at one point.

05-17-2015, 01:32 AM	#70
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Yes, he was blind, but he had learned to use his other senses to compensate, sort of like Daredevil. Remember when he was blind-fighting in the rain in the Shredder Strikes Back arc? Same thing. The part that really got to me was Mikey getting cornered by the Karai-bots and calling out to Don right before he died. He was the first to go, and the fact that none of them ever tried to reach him was heartbreaking to me. Like, why didn't Leo or Raph go to him? Even Donnie at least NOTICED he was down! Yet still didn't do anything about it, unlike Raph with Leo. Made me sad to think they basically ignored his death. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

05-17-2015, 01:39 AM	#71
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	Is anyone curious as to whether there's going to be a SAINW-style episode in the Nick series? __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

05-22-2015, 02:52 PM	#78
xbennoda Random Punk Join Date: May 2015 Location: Guaynabo, Puerto Rico Posts: 27	Simple.... It's simple, really... "Same As It Never Was" was the darkest episode TMNT 2003 had to offer. It had a lot of story behind it and it probably happened to the least expected turtle... Don! To be honest, it made me cry and it messed with my feelings the first time I watched it. It is definitely my favorite one of the whole series of 4KidsTV.

06-14-2015, 08:23 PM	#79
~~megashredder~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 55	Shredder ruling over the wole world WAS AWSOME..... Some many thing's to love about this ep good aand bad. Did chrell sample stockmans third sesn armor bot? &amp where is chaplin and the foot elite? Are the utrom slvs loyal to oroku SAKI?

02-11-2015, 12:15 PM	#61
jestergoblin Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,466	I'd suggest reading the original reaction thread when the episode aired: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=11953 (ignore single-minded posts... and the whole thing in middle) Here's the big thing about the episode: we didn't know what was coming. We knew the general gist of the episode because of the previous ones, we knew it was Don's turn and the teaser from the previous week told us it was some kind of future where Shredder ruled. That was all we knew. There wasn't anything about it being a world without Don, or what happened to the other three. We basically went in blind, expecting something similar to Raph and Mikey's episodes and instead were blindsided by a dystopian story that ended with multiple deaths.

02-22-2015, 12:07 PM	#65
312 Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 17	I just watched it for the first time in years, and it was amazing. Everything about it. In fact It just really demonstrated how differently the nick and 2k3 show actually were.

03-20-2015, 09:43 AM	#67
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Because the story is pretty impactful as opposed to other forgettable episodes?

05-17-2015, 12:00 AM	#69
aliena Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 294	I just finished watching SAINW and I was BLOWN AWAY! Hands down one of my favorite episodes of any incarnation. I can't believe they went that dark. And seeing Raph crawl to Leo to die made me cry. Wow, such a fantastic arc for all the turtles, except Leo's. I did not care for that first part at all. Leo was the only thing I liked about it. And Raph, what a guy. He is the Raph to beat for me. I just can't get enough of him. BTW, was Leo blind? How come he could see everything he was doing? His Ninja senses can't be that good. Still, he was super hot in that episode.

05-17-2015, 06:17 AM	#73
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	I see Same As It Never Was as an amazing episode, but I do prefer other episodes in the series more. It's one of the darkest and tragic tales in the TMNT franchise and people love gritty and darker material. (ex: Dark Knight over Adam West Batman) We as viewers love to get invested in the story and the more well-written the material, the more we love the story told. The fan art can be annoying but that moment stood out the most, seeing the beloved heroes in a half shell get killed, which is why it's used often. Personally though, although I find it an amazing episode like others, I still like other episodes more. My personal favorites are the Good Genes arc, Insane in the Membrane, Reality Check, both Enter the Dragons, and the entirety of City at War. Same As It Never Was ranks in my top 20 for the series, but I would say close to my top 10. Still a great episode looking back.

05-17-2015, 08:30 AM	#74
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	Because it was a great episode and also a pretty edgy and mature one considering this was a children's cartoon.

08-04-2015, 05:12 PM	#80
Danetello Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 571	I just watched this episode for the first time the other day, since I have been watching all the 2k3 for the first time on DVD. While it is a very good episode, I wouldn't "obsess" over it like the OP says in the title. It definitely is very dark and edgy, which I like. I like that they weren't afraid to show the demise of some of the characters; adding the chilling reality of mortality to the series. Heroes can be heroes, but they are still mortal. I might be a bit biased towards it since it was a Donnie episode, too! __________________ Dan. Check out all of my TMNT reviews here! Last edited by Danetello; 08-04-2015 at 05:26 PM.