Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The problem with Miles is that he's really NOT "fresh" or "new", it's a Spidey retread with a different name and ethnicity, but with a very similar origin, powers (except the venom-blasts, which honestly just seem like a re-tread of Spider-WOMAN) and age. In fact, with Miles being even YOUNGER than Peter was originally, it just means we'd have to wait that much longer for him to grow up, and of course, that's the rub- he NEVER WILL. Because comic characters only age about five-ten years, and then stop there and get a reboot and/or ret-con. Talk about being a perpetual man-child!

And Zarius' Peter Pan analogy is unfortunately even more apt with Miles. He'll just be stuck in high-school forever, reliving the same problems ad infinitum, and won't even have the history Peter has to fall back on. He'll never get married and have kids of his own unless it's in a future timeline that will either get erased or will be in an alternate universe, he'll never get to have a job, and he'll never grow beyond a teen-ager inspired to be a hero by someone who held the same mantle before him. He'll FOEVER be in Peter's shadow, even in his own universe.

What some consider "baggage" is actually Peter's rich and complex history, with decades of stories and characters to pull from, including having two clones running around- one of which has at various times tried to KILL him! That's not even counting the side-dramas of characters like Gwen's secret (and shocking) affair with Norman Osborne while Harry was ill after a drug overdose, the resulting kids from that affair, M-J's estrangement, the supposed abduction of their allegedly stillborn daughter, JJJ's axe-grinding and attempts to expose or capture Spidey.... There is so much material to mine. And what does Miles have? A few years worth of stories that mainly involve him taking over for Spidey, and then dealing with the same group of villains as his predecessor. (Haven't read the book itself, just followed a bit of the news on it, but there doesn't seem to be much there that is really "new".)

[ZariusTwo]

I like Miles, but you raise a good point. Hell there's been noticeable time skips in his comic where his biggest arc was doing...erm, f-all because he sat out months as Spidey when his mother died.

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

That's not even counting the side-dramas of characters like Gwen's secret (and shocking) affair with Norman Osborne while Harry was ill after a drug overdose, the resulting kids from that affair, M-J's estrangement, the supposed abduction of their allegedly stillborn daughter.

To be fair, I really don't think those aspects are going to be mined at all for these movies. Especially not with the overwhelming Gwen love-in we have now from the public. Hell JMS wanted to wipe out all of that when he pitched the original ending to OMD, Quesada almost agreed with it but was convinced by everyone about to write on ASM after JMS not to do that and they settled on just retconning the marriage and the daughter.

I think Marvel might want to keep Peter just a bit more wholesome and inspirational than that, at least for the next decade or so, and when the actor gets old enough, THEN mine the heavier stuff like Peter and MJ having their kid, Aunt May passing, the Clones emerging, the kid growing up with Peter still active as Spidey etc.

[ToTheNines]

So what do you guys think the title will be? "Amazing" is out, but Spectacular is still an option (personally against it because the animated series is so special to me, but it's not necessarily a bad idea).

Right now I think it's most likely to be plain old Spider-Man, or Spider-Man: Enter Subtitle Here.

[snake]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

So what do you guys think the title will be? "Amazing" is out, but Spectacular is still an option (personally against it because the animated series is so special to me, but it's not necessarily a bad idea).

Right now I think it's most likely to be plain old Spider-Man, or Spider-Man: Enter Subtitle Here.

Spectacular sounds good, but I think it'll just be Spider-Man.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

So what do you guys think the title will be? "Amazing" is out, but Spectacular is still an option (personally against it because the animated series is so special to me, but it's not necessarily a bad idea).

Right now I think it's most likely to be plain old Spider-Man, or Spider-Man: Enter Subtitle Here.

If they are going with another young spider-man they might call in "Ultimate"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why not use another comic title- "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man"? Or Peter Parker, Spider-Man? Scarlet Spider? There are plenty of possibilities.

[THGhost]

Am I the only one thinking this whole Peter vs Miles conversation should be moved to another thread?

[ToTheNines]

I haven't read Ultimate in ages, never a single issue with Miles so I can't really contribute to that conversation. But I do wish everyone would shut the **** up about Donald Glover already.

Dude's gonna be like 33 by the time they film this ish. Get over it.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Why not use another comic title- "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man"? Or Peter Parker, Spider-Man? Scarlet Spider? There are plenty of possibilities.

I do like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, or Web of Spider-Man.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I haven't read Ultimate in ages, never a single issue with Miles so I can't really contribute to that conversation. But I do wish everyone would shut the **** up about Donald Glover already.

Dude's gonna be like 33 by the time they film this ish. Get over it.

Donald Glover is too old to play a 13 year old (Miles Morales)

but he did do Miles's voice in Ultimate Spiderman so I think that's good enough

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Donald Glover is too old to play a 13 year old (Miles Morales)

but he did do Miles's voice in Ultimate Spiderman so I think that's good enough

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.
I may have to get therapy.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I do like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, or Web of Spider-Man.

Ooh, I forgot Web of! Good catch. And that one's actually got a good ring to it for a movie.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.

Apparently, you aren't the only one:

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The problem with Miles is that he's really NOT "fresh" or "new", it's a Spidey retread with a different name and ethnicity, but with a very similar origin, powers (except the venom-blasts, which honestly just seem like a re-tread of Spider-WOMAN) and age.

That's what I don't understand about the push for "diversity" in comics through replacing/supplanting old characters. The new Power Girl comes to mind in this regard as well.



Why not just make new characters that happen to be of a certain gender/race/orientation? There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.
I may have to get therapy.

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Apparently, you aren't the only one:

I'm calling a therapist for myself as we speak...

Seriously though, I could totally see Jaden Smith getting the part - if they were going with Miles and not Peter of course.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

Except that he wasn't. He was Marvel's Batman.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Batman? Hardly. That honor goes to Tony Stark. Spidey really doesn't have a DC analog, persona-wise OR in powers or "gimmick". The only thing in common he had with Bats is the death of a loved one/parental figure- and there are plenty of heroes who have a similar background. If I had to dig for the closets "match" for Spidey- it would be Robin, though more nerdy and with actual powers.

[THGhost]

I was thinking the same thing about Tony Stark.

Growing up I always thought of The Flash as the Spidey of DC. I never really watched anything DC-related besides Batman, so I didn't know that much about The Flash other than that he was fast, wore red and was a kind of a wiseguy.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

That's what I don't understand about the push for "diversity" in comics through replacing/supplanting old characters. The new Power Girl comes to mind in this regard as well.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yMBzsCIAA7imm.jpg

Why not just make new characters that happen to be of a certain gender/race/orientation? There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

Well, ideally they would, but it's a very different playing field now than it was in 1962. The most popular superheroes were created at times when there were far less characters competing for visibility and sales, and there weren't anywhere near as many "icons" that got almost all of the attention (from the fans and publishers) by default. If an entirely new character got as much attention and interest as "New Spider-Man", "New Ms. Marvel" or "New Power Girl", I'm sure they'd be doing that. But a lot of fans have shown there's only so much change they're willing to accept.

I don't see "diversifying" as a bad thing at all, though. Let's face it - these characters and their world were created in a time before the civil rights movement had been widely accepted, much less won, and that silver age focus was pretty narrow. The line's a lot more diverse now, but the "top tier" characters all tend to be straight white men. So I think it's at least worth asking, "which of these characters have to stay that way?"

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I'm calling a therapist for myself as we speak...

Seriously though, I could totally see Jaden Smith getting the part - if they were going with Miles and not Peter of course.

He'll defeat his enemies with pure stupidity.

[NinjaPug]

Lol at the possibility of Jaden Smith as Spidey. His dad doesn't have enough money to get him that role.