Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[Candy Kappa]

This better be in the movie.



I couldn't find a screen of the original comics, but its the greatest Batman Superman identity reveal scene, and they share a bed fighting for the covers.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I'm talking about BVS, as well as dismissing characters as crap unless they're "bad ass".

I get it; sometimes, the lower brain takes over, and we want to watch the world burn... but the whole "yeah son, look how Batman just brained that guy! Best Batman ever!" or Cavil taking the guy through the wall..."

Here's some food for thought:

[Commenter 42]

Box Office Mojo's predictions for this weekend:

Batman v Superman is the only live action film to open over $150 million and score below a "B+" CinemaScore and one of only two films to score lower than a "B+" and open over $100 million, the other being Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, a film that ironically scored a 78% on RottenTomatoes while being loathed by a large portion of the audience. To that point, while Batman v Superman may hold a 29% rating on RottenTomatoes, the site's users score it 71%, far better than Crystal Skull's 54%.

Another bar for comparison is to look at IMDb's user rating for Batman v Superman, which currently stands at 7.4 with over 186,000 votes. Comparing this to similar titles, one week after their release, Avengers: Age of Ultron was at 8.1 (currently rates 7.5), Captain America: The Winter Soldier was at 8.3 (currently at 7. and Furious 7 was at 8.1 (currently at 7.3). This suggests Batman v Superman may be somewhere around 6.7 or so a year from now, which would be half-a-point below Man of Steel's current IMDb user rating of 7.2, nearly three years after release. As for Man of Steel, users rated it 8.1 one week after release before going on to drop 64.6% in its second weekend.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Here's some food for thought:

Less than a minute in, and I'm already all about this joint. Thanks man. Well done!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

^Comics can be for serious topics too. For example: Watchmen & V for Vandetta. Both are regarded very highly.

Um, yeah- I JUST said that. Read more closely please. In any case, as I ALSO said before, that is NOT the purpose of most superhero comics in the first place. MOST comics are intended as light entertainment with a theme of justice, morality, and hope eventually triumphing over darkness. And for the record, NEITHER of the movies you mentioned fit that mold beyond a vague resemblance on the part of Watchmen, which was satirical and cynical in the extreme. Those films are not in the same vein as mainstream superhero comic movies AT ALL. Both were more about social and political commentary than about "superheroes"- in the case of Watchmen it was about how the reality is far different than what the world sees, and V wasn't even a superhero comic film, but a socio-political revolution story. They were intended to show a rather stark view of how what society values in its heroes contrasts to the truth.

There's nothing wrong with stories like that, but they really don't typically work well in a comic-based world unless put into proper context- like Civil War in the comics being the direct result of government legislation requiring heroes to register their identities after a major disaster that kills over 600 innocent civilians due to the negligence of a group of teen heroes during a fight that took place during filming of a reality show. In that case, the context of heroes getting out of control and needing oversight was the driving force of the story. But BvS seems to basically take that premise and just watered it down to- "He's too powerful! We need to stop him!" With very little else to justify it. They were trying too hard to be "smart" and "deep", without stopping to realize that there needs to be FAR more actual depth to the story to justify doing something so dark and realistically grey morally in the first place!

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I agree...and yet I can't help but think of television shows "Jessica Jones," "Daredevil," "Breaking Bad," and "The Sopranos." All four have highly flawed protagonists, all four were unbelievably well received, and all four had more than their fair share of visceral violence.

I'm not trying to make this a Marvel vs DC thing, because that horse is dead and should be left alone for a good long while.
There are a whole lot of AMAZINGLY Solid non-comic DC things out there...they're just all animated.

Problem is that THOSE characters were already flawed and darker to begin with, from their creation in the comics. Daredevil has ALWAYS been a more grounded, realistic view of heroes, but it works for him because he is a "street-level" hero, unlike Superman. But I'm not really talking about character flaws here- Tony Stark and Ms. Marvel are BOTH recovering alcoholics, and Ant-Man (Pym, not the other one) is a "wife-beater". Wolverine is a heavy drinker and womanizer, and then Batman is an obsessive sociopath with abandonment issues and a bit of a god-complex. All this is fine- these characters were CREATED that way.

But I have a problem when a film takes a character who has NEVER been depicted as having serious personal issues- like Superman, who had a NORMAL, down-to-earth, and morally conservative small-town upbringing in middle-America by upstanding, middle-class parents- and starts giving him all this angst and inner conflict and daddy issues that he has NEVER had in ANY OTHER incarnation! Heck, by the time he learns who he REALLY is, his values and ideals are almost always set and well-developed in pretty much every version except perhaps Smallville!

Breaking Bad and Sopranos don't even fit the superhero comic category, so I'm not even sure where you're going with that. But while it's true that all those characters have flaws, my big issue is with the flaws IN THE DEPICTION of some characters. Or in other words, when they are just plain out of character.

Also, I agree that DC's animated material is FAR better than most of their recent LA stuff. Not surprising, though, since most of those animated films have had comic writers and/or artists involved working on them.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Problem is that THOSE characters were already flawed and darker to begin with, from their creation in the comics. Daredevil has ALWAYS been a more grounded, realistic view of heroes, but it works for him because he is a "street-level" hero, unlike Superman. But I'm not really talking about character flaws here- Tony Stark and Ms. Marvel are BOTH recovering alcoholics, and Ant-Man (Pym, not the other one) is a "wife-beater". Wolverine is a heavy drinker and womanizer, and then Batman is an obsessive sociopath with abandonment issues and a bit of a god-complex. All this is fine- these characters were CREATED that way.

Very very true.

But I have a problem when a film takes a character who has NEVER been depicted as having serious personal issues- like Superman, who had a NORMAL, down-to-earth, and morally conservative small-town upbringing in middle-America by upstanding, middle-class parents- and starts giving him all this angst and inner conflict and daddy issues that he has NEVER had in ANY OTHER incarnation! Heck, by the time he learns who he REALLY is, his values and ideals are almost always set and well-developed in pretty much every version except perhaps Smallville!

I admit that I'm a sucker for the Reluctant Hero, and love me a good existential crisis story line, but even I was turned off by the Angst-fest that was Man of Steel.

I can totally see taking Clark down a "I don't fit in" story line. There's some great material there about how he can only blend if he's lying about a portion of himself. And how when he's true to that portion of himself, as Superman...he's still an outsider.

But I don't think that's what this universe is doing at all.

Breaking Bad and Sopranos don't even fit the superhero comic category, so I'm not even sure where you're going with that.

They were further evidence from popular culture of bad people being celebrated protagonists.

But while it's true that all those characters have flaws, my big issue is with the flaws IN THE DEPICTION of some characters. Or in other words, when they are just plain out of character.

Also, I agree that DC's animated material is FAR better than most of their recent LA stuff. Not surprising, though, since most of those animated films have had comic writers and/or artists involved working on them.

I totally agree, I just am continually perplexed by people who get paid way more being so much worse at their job than people who get paid way less.
While I don't know how much the actual screenwriter of these movies gets paid, I'm sure Snyder made more on these movies than say Gene Yang does for writing Superman.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

See, that's kind of what I mean with Superman. I can see him having those moments of doubt, but not having that be one of the major traits of his character- and being beaten over the head by the emphasis of that trait. I'd love to see him having a minor crisis of "faith", or doubts about whether he's really doing any good, but to spend an entire movie- or is it two now? I've sort of lost track- on being wishy-washy in his beliefs and self-image is just ridiculous.

[NinjaPug]

Friday's domestic box office dropped 81% over the previous week. Everyone knew this would make money opening weekend. Now WB will see the effects of the negative reception.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

This is Superman.

http://i.imgur.com/ppQBmYx.jpg

That's grace.

Jim Davis writes Superman now?

[Sumac]

‘Batman V Superman’ Takes A Dive With -70% Second Weekend – Saturday AM B.O. Update

So, now I wonder what Snyder and WB next excuse would be? Like, when critics shat on this movie, they've said "it was for fans not for critics". What would they say now? "It was for...um....hm...erm...well, FOR SMART FANS not for all fans!!"

[TurtleTitan97]

Finally saw it. While I don't agree with the 29% RT score, this film was definitely far off from being called "great".

Pros:

-Affleck and Gadot did a great job as Batman & Wonder Woman whenever they were on screen. Still holding out high hopes for their solo films. Jeremy Irons was great as Alfred too.

-The nods to "The Dark Knight Returns"

-The fight between Batman and Superman was pretty cool.

Cons:

-Reviewers were right about calling this film "not fun" because compared to the optimistic tone of most of the MCU films, "The Flash", "Supergirl", and "Legends of Tomorrow" this had to be the most depressing piece of superhero media in a live-action format I've recently seen. They might as well have called it "Everybody Hates Superman: Guest-starring Batman & Wonder Woman".

-Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor has got to hands down my LEAST favorite portrayal of the character. I'm still remain in the camp of people who think this was a major miscast. Also his constant comparison between Superman and a god got old.

-Doomsday looked terrible. I get what they were trying to do by showing him slowly evolve over the course of the fight, but he still looked terrible. And what was up with the light show he was putting out??

-The fight between Batman and Superman ending because they realize their moms share the same name.

-Someone earlier in this thread mentioned how they poorly adapted the Death of Superman in this film, and I agree. In the comics, Doomsday and Superman were battling it out in the middle of the day in Metropolis were everyone could see the punishment Clark was getting from protecting civilians from Doomsday's wrath and Lois holding him in his arms as he died. Here in the movie the fight takes place at night, not in the middle of the city, and the only civilian is Lois. It just loses all the emotional impact from the comics.

-Killing off Jimmy Olsen. Really Snyder???

-Luthor somehow finding out Superman's identity and it's never explained how.

-Not much interaction between Bruce and Clark before the fight.

-Batman killing all those ordinary crooks is just wrong. Superheroes shouldn't take a life unless there's literally no other possible solution.

Overall, I'd give this film a 3.2/5 stars.

[Commenter 42]

Can't wait for Snyder to be Fired.

The countdown has begun.

[THGhost]

Me when trying to read this thread.

[Spike Spiegel]

[ZariusTwo]

That is the same idiot who wanted Deadpool to be PG-13. No credibility.

Oh, and 81% drop.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Anyone wanna take the over under on next weekends B.O.? I'm going to go with 62%.

See, I was being kind with a drop of 62%. If it has to make 900million to break even, it's very possible we're looking at a reboot.

tbh, I'm afraid of what that might actually be. How much did they spend planing this "universe?" Could Disney end up owning DC?

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

See, I was being kind with a drop of 62%. If it has to make 900million to break even, it's very possible we're looking at a reboot.

tbh, I'm afraid of what that might actually be. How much did they spend planing this "universe?" Could Disney end up owning DC?

That would be hilarious.

[myconius]

as much as i did enjoy the movie a lot of it felt rushed.
i was planning on seeing it again this weekend but opted to take a trip into NYC for a special showing of George Romero's 'Day of the Dead'.

now i'll admit that many of the movies i enjoy aren't the most intellectual films, but in BvS why would the entire world think that Superman would kill people with bullets? especially if they were a special unique alloy that could be traced back to Lex Luthor?

maybe it these "Special" bullets somehow bust into flames incinerating their targets? maybe THEN i could see Superman being specifically incriminated?

but i still enjoyed the movie overall even though there were too many things that just didn't make sense.

but as much as i love the character of Batman, honestly all of the live action Batman movies were far from perfect.

i laughed my %&$ of at the video showing just how much Batman doesn't stick to his "NO KILLING" policy!!!



(in a throat-cancer ridden voice) NO GUNS!!!! NO KILLING!!! ........I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS!!!!

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

That would be hilarious.

I wonder if they'd merge DC's universe into the real world.

Would New York be Metropolis, or Gotham?

I think WB should just go back to making Harry Potter movies, and leave the CBM's to Disney. It would be for the best.
Anyway, going to see Zootopia tonight.

[myconius]

they claim to have made enough money to guarantee making Justice League Pt.1 which is already filming.
i wonder if it's make as much money in it's opening weekend to make Justice League Pt. 2?

i am really curious to just how they'll bring Superman back?

[Mew]

Haven't seen this movie;I don't intend to. I assume it's bad?