Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Bry

That's kind of the problem with trying to take the "super" out of Superman. The deconstructionist angle just doesn't work here. Turning him into someone more selfish, immature, and full of doubt takes away from who he is. Superman's supposed to inspire us all to do better, to fight fear with hope, to believe in a better way. A Superman who gives into brutality ain't Superman. And that right there's the reason Snyderman has been such a controversial and divisive interpretation.

Well said, mate.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Every fanbase has it's lunatics but I've never seen anything compare to these BvS and DC fanatics.

Really? Man, I'm so envious of you right now.
Because we've got PAX East going on in Boston right now...

[Commenter 42]

At some point, somebody wanted to place a wager that BvS would beat Civil War...

lol, hindsight.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Batman was written like a meat head. Every line landed wrong. Affleck has the screen presence of Batman, but he's not suave. He has none of the hallmarks of a rich kid. He walks around like a footballer in a suit.

I liked his look, but Batman is more than just a brute. He had very little to no finesse.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

But yeah, I had a free pass. All the theological gobeldygook... who the hell buys into any of that garbage?

I'd be fine with it if Snyder didn't hit us over the head with that idea over, and over, and over...

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I'd give it 60% as a generic actioner. I can't give it anything as a CBM, for fear of making it angry, by calling it a CBM. I can't love it, until it learns to love itself.

Pretty much.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Star Wars fans can be insane.

Uh huh. Says the guy who goes into a rage fit whenever someone mentions TMNT with nostrils.

[CyberCubed]

Star Wars fans organize campaigns in real life and conventions just for the sake of complaining what George Lucas does, the prequels, or now that the Expanded Universe is non-canon. Complaining on a message board doesn't compare to real life craziness.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Star Wars fans organize campaigns in real life and conventions just for the sake of complaining what George Lucas does, the prequels, or now that the Expanded Universe is non-canon. Complaining on a message board doesn't compare to real life craziness.

The widespread hate Lucas has received is in no way proportional to his apparent disdain for the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy. I watched the old versions on my bonus discs from the 2006 DVD set and...they are a little overrated.

Those angry fans are partly responsible for Disney inevitably running that franchise into the ground, seeing as they drove him away from it.

But now they can rejoice! The new Star Wars is exactly like they remember it, and best of all, it will probably never really change. We'll have new mediocre cinematic rehashes, reboots, sequels, and re-quels every single year, until the sun implodes

Fandoms suck sometimes.

But saying that here is like preaching to the choir.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Then I have three words for you:

"Han shot first!"

Han shot first, but it was a setup anyway. Greedo was NEVER supposed to leave that table alive. Read Tales Fom Mos Isley Cantina....

Originally Posted by Bry

Someone had to inspire Calvin Ellis, after all.

That's kind of the problem with trying to take the "super" out of Superman. The deconstructionist angle just doesn't work here. Turning him into someone more selfish, immature, and full of doubt takes away from who he is. Superman's supposed to inspire us all to do better, to fight fear with hope, to believe in a better way. A Superman who gives into brutality ain't Superman. And that right there's the reason Snyderman has been such a controversial and divisive interpretation.



I mean, it's just chronologically true.

Sure, as long as you remember that Greedo fully intended to collect the bounty on Hans dead body. And that he had a hit on him from a rival tribe of his own race.....

[ZariusTwo]

Sreenrant has analysed the overall five week box office performance for BVS.

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-super...fice-analysis/

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Well said, mate.

I do think/hope things will come back around. This movie was a failure in a lot of ways, and enough people have very much rejected this vision for Superman. Eventually some higher-ups at DC and/or WB will move on, or be replaced, and a different tone and vision will hopefully take hold.

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Sure, as long as you remember that Greedo fully intended to collect the bounty on Hans dead body. And that he had a hit on him from a rival tribe of his own race.....

I mean, beyond ruining one of the best character-establishing moments in film, the Special Edition version is unforgivable for making a supposedly seasoned bounty hunter such a terrible shot.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

But he WASN'T seasoned. At ALL. He was a complete noob and it was his first bounty. Needless to say, it was also his last.... Greedo was young and stupid. Barely out of his teens, according to the Mos Eisley story. It makes that scene much more tragic and complicated than a simple "who shot first" scenario. The Special Edition version just went off that backstory.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

But he WASN'T seasoned. At ALL. He was a complete noob and it was his first bounty. Needless to say, it was also his last.... Greedo was young and stupid. Barely out of his teens, according to the Mos Eisley story. It makes that scene much more tragic and complicated than a simple "who shot first" scenario. The Special Edition version just went off that backstory.

Ohjeez. Misread that post apparently. And revealed my lack of EU knowledge.

Though getting blasted under the table said enough about Greedo's incompetence without adding an erratic shot to the scene anyway. And his cameo in the prequels seriously contradicts the "barely out of his teens" element...

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Sreenrant has analysed the overall five week box office performance for BVS.

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-super...fice-analysis/

Basically, full, 100% click bate.

SR: "In conclusion, well, meh?"

What insight !

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Bry

Ohjeez. Misread that post apparently. And revealed my lack of EU knowledge.

Though getting blasted under the table said enough about Greedo's incompetence without adding an erratic shot to the scene anyway. And his cameo in the prequels seriously contradicts the "barely out of his teens" element...

That wasn't Greedo in the prequel- by which, I presume you mean the Rodian kid who was Anikin's friend. That was another Rodian entirely- he was even named in the novelization, though I forget what it was. Interesting side-fact- most Rodians don't live past their thirties- they were a warrior/hunter race, which is why so many of them went into bounty-hunting one they came into contact with more advanced races in the Empire/Republic. So all Rodians who are able-bodied are expected to hunt and/or go to war with rival clans. Those who are crippled or who prove inept are cast out as "unfit" by their clans. Greedo was one of those.....

Han was his one chance to get back into his clan's good graces. He failed miserably. But it was a set-up by another Rodian whose clan Greedo's had massacred, who told him about the bounty on Han, KNOWING Greedo would get shot. He was basically led to his doom by a trick. I kind of feel sorry for that poor schmuck.

[JakeSully]

This was an ok movie but Man of Steel was better however Ben was surprisingly good as Batman.

[shuriken]

MoS told a slightly more cohesive story at the very least.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Star Wars fans organize campaigns in real life and conventions just for the sake of complaining what George Lucas does, the prequels, or now that the Expanded Universe is non-canon. Complaining on a message board doesn't compare to real life craziness.

Fair enough. Cheers Cubed

[JakeSully]

Do you all agree DC is having the dark age of comics on film? do you all remember the dark age of comics of the 90s?

[shuriken]

You mean the time after the Crow up until Blade? what about it?
We had what? Spawn, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, The Phantom, Steel, Judge Dredd, Generation X, The Shadow...
I dunno I think Steel is easily the worst of the bunch. Garbage ass movie

[JakeSully]

Originally Posted by shuriken

You mean the time after the Crow up until Blade? what about it?
We had what? Spawn, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, The Phantom, Steel, Judge Dredd, Generation X, The Shadow...
I dunno I think Steel is easily the worst of the bunch. Garbage ass movie

No, i'm talking about some comics in the 90s who took the wrong message from the original Ninja Turtles comics, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Frank Miller, Alan Moore comics, Richard Corben's Heavy Metal issues, Akira etc. thinking grim and dark can sell and all.

The 90s was not a good time for comics or comic films besides the "extreme" Liefled stuff as there was the speculator market that crashed in 1996 remember with gimmick covers abound even in polybags/cards/glow in the dark covers? yes some comic films weren't very good in the 90s with some exceptions like Crow, Ninja Turtles the movie, Ghost in The Shell, Blade, Rocketeer, Batman Returns, Mask of the Phantasm etc. but the new millenium is the best place for comic films even with the technology on some.

The Spawn movie did sucked but the animated show was far better.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by JakeSully

Do you all agree DC is having the dark age of comics on film? do you all remember the dark age of comics of the 90s?

I'd say it's more a "dork age"

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Bry

Someone had to inspire Calvin Ellis, after all.

That's kind of the problem with trying to take the "super" out of Superman. The deconstructionist angle just doesn't work here. Turning him into someone more selfish, immature, and full of doubt takes away from who he is. Superman's supposed to inspire us all to do better, to fight fear with hope, to believe in a better way. A Superman who gives into brutality ain't Superman. And that right there's the reason Snyderman has been such a controversial and divisive interpretation.



I mean, it's just chronologically true.

Pretty much. It's like making Harry Potter without any magic or spells.